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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Sabab4321 on January 31, 2025, 03:58:04 pm

Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on October 01, 2025, 07:10:31 pm
Thank you so much

I tried my best but I believe the result is still fair regardless

I have learnt a lot and I should pay the money within the required days
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on October 01, 2025, 05:09:52 pm
Sorry to hear that. The silver lining is that you are only required to pay the original £100 charge and the fixed hearing fee. Consider how much they were trying to get from you, you can see that it is always worthwhile defending a claim as they will rarely get the total amount they are claiming.

It has definitely cost them more than they will have recovered as they sent a representative to the hearing. That is likely to have cost them at least several hundred £ which they cannot recover. They have not recovered the £27 trial fee either. There is some Schadenfreude to be had for that. Hopefully, you have had a valuable life lesson on how the civil courts handle disputes.

As long as the £135 judgment is paid in full within 30 days, there is no record of this on your credit file. It is completely expunged from the record.

You appear to be confusing some terminology. You are the Defendant. Excel Parking are the Claimant.

Did you not point out that you were unable to properly defend the claim as the claimants PoC were defective and did not adequately comply with CPR 16.4?

Whilst you did raise the defective PoC/“ambush by WS” issues in your WS, the judge indicated the factual basis (payment attempts/system failure) should have been pleaded in the Defence, not only developed later in the WS/SWS. That’s a very common judicial stance in small claims: It's know as "Judge Bingo" and depending on which judge you get, they’ll often tolerate poor PoC but still expect the Defence to state the core factual case, then use the WS to evidence it. A different judge would likely have judged the other way.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on October 01, 2025, 01:56:53 pm
I would like to thank everyone for their support throughout this case. Unfortunately, the outcome was not in my favour. The court ordered me to pay a total of £135 — consisting of £100 for the parking charge and £35 in court fees, as requested by the representative of Excel Parking.

The judge noted that some of the arguments I raised in my witness statement might have been considered more strongly with respect to difficulties in paying if they had been included in my original defence. She also commented that I had not given the defendant sufficient opportunity to provide the evidence I was requesting in my witness and supplementary witness statements.

The hearing lasted approximately 45 minutes. When I asked about payment, the judge advised that the defendant would contact me, and if I do not hear from them soon, I should reach out directly.

This is a summary of the hearing and its outcome.
Thank you once again for your continued support.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 30, 2025, 02:32:14 pm
Thank you

I will keep the forum updated
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on September 30, 2025, 02:29:29 pm
It's a bit late and the claimants rep will likely object but you can try. It is quite possible that the judge will allow it, especially in a small claim where there is much more leniency. Good luck for tomorrow.

Please report back, whatever the outcome. If you are successful, remember to ask for your costs, even if it is only £95 for attendance and any travel/parking costs such as bus/train fares/parking etc.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 30, 2025, 05:43:39 am
Good morning all

I had to check my call logs on the said date but my last recent call can be traced to June this year unfortunately but I was able to get the SMS message I received from parkonomy when I registered to pay giving me a log in username and a password but was still unable to pay after several attempts

Is this something I can show in court tomorrow?

Thank you
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 26, 2025, 02:53:36 pm
Thank you so much

I will send the email today and do as instructed

I do appreciate your help
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on September 26, 2025, 02:17:01 pm
Typical ambush by the failed legal wannabe that is Jake Burgess. He is well know amongst those of us who have had to deal with him in the past.

Whilst it can easily anger the judge when a "ping pong" of supplementary statements start flowing, and it is not advisable to engage, in this case, I suggest you send a one/two page response objecting to this late ambush by the claimant as follows:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT BARNSLEY - Claim No.: [claim number]

Between Excel Parking Services Ltd (claimant) and [your full name] (defendant)

Defendant’s Objection and Case Management Request (served 5 days pre-hearing)

1. This represented, serial litigant is attempting to cure defective Particulars of Claim by late evidence in a  Supplementary Witness Statement (SWS) issued five days before the hearing. As a litigant-in-person I cannot fairly analyse rolling last-minute material. If the Court considers the lateness has caused irredeemable prejudice, I ask for a short adjournment with costs payable by the Claimant.

2. I object to the Claimant’s SWS and new Exhibit 7 served five days before the 01/10/2025 hearing. I ask the Court to exclude them. If admitted, I ask the Court to (a) direct that no further written evidence be served by the Claimant without the Court’s permission, with any attempted “supplementary” statement refused absent a compelling reason and full prejudice mitigation; and (b) require the Claimant, if relying on the SWS/Exhibit 7, to identify page/line entries covering 13:30–14:11 on 30/10/2024 and to produce the contemporaneous machine/phone/PSP error, reconciliation, and uptime/incident logs. Failing that, I ask that no adverse inference be drawn against me.

Why exclusion is proper

3. The Particulars of Claim were defective under CPR 16.4 and did not disclose a clear cause of action. The Claimant has repeatedly tried to cure by witness evidence. The SWS continues that tactic and introduces a new Exhibit 7 five days before the hearing, which I have had no fair opportunity to analyse. This is prejudicial to a litigant-in-person and contrary to the overriding objective.

4. The SWS also indicates the witness may not attend and seeks a decision in his absence under CPR 27.9. If the SWS is admitted, non-attendance would deny me the chance to test these fresh assertions. Little weight should be attached to untested late assertions.

Factual clarification (payment attempts)

5. On the day, I made repeated attempts to pay at the machine and also by calling the payment number displayed at the bay several times. The automated system [Interactive Voice Response (IVR)] gave incorrect or unhelpful information and did not enable payment to be completed. These attempts extended the time I remained on site. The issue is not mere non-payment but system failure despite multiple reasonable attempts.

Targeted responses if the Court admits the SWS

6. PoC and MCOL/PD7E (SWS paragraphs 4–5): The Claimant repeats that bare PoC are excused by MCOL limits and says I should have applied for further particulars. Nothing prevented this represented party from serving proper separate particulars after issue or seeking permission to amend. The SWS adds nothing substantive on compliance and simply perpetuates the attempt to plead via evidence.

7. Admission equals liability (SWS paragraph 7): I accept no payment was completed, but only because the operator’s systems (machine and phone/IVR) did not process it despite repeated attempts. Non-performance caused by the operator’s system failure frustrates any alleged contract. The late Exhibit 7 does not provide the missing machine or PSP error logs, reconciliation, or uptime/incident records for 13:30–14:11 on 30/10/2024 that would rebut system failure.

8. “System working” or “other motorists paid” (SWS paragraph 8): Even if others paid at some point, that does not prove the system worked for my attempts in the material window or via the phone/IVR path. Proper proof would be (a) full, chronological transaction data for that window including failed attempts across all channels (machine, phone, online), and (b) contemporaneous audit and incident logs and clock-synchronisation evidence. None is produced.

9. Phone number “mitigation” (SWS paragraph 9): The SWS suggests I should have phoned the number on the sign; I in fact did so several times. The IVR provided wrong or unhelpful information and payment could not be taken. The signage creates no duty to continue phoning a helpline to avoid breach where the operator’s primary payment methods are not functioning. My reasonable attempts support frustration, not liability.

10. Exhibit 6 versus Exhibit 7 (SWS paragraphs 10–11): The original payment log (Exhibit 6) was incomplete around the material period; the SWS now introduces Exhibit 7 to fill gaps and assert “no payment”. Serving a new dataset five days pre-hearing is precisely the prejudice complained of. If the Court admits this late material, I ask that the Claimant be required to (a) identify, page and line, the entries covering 13:30–14:11 on 30/10/2024; (b) produce associated error, reconciliation, and uptime or incident logs for machine and phone/IVR channels; and (c) failing that, that no adverse inference be drawn against me.

11. Added £70 (SWS paragraph 12): The SWS asserts the signage clearly states a contractual £70 add-on. I ask the Claimant to identify the exact wording, font, and location on the sign image and to confirm it was present and prominent at the material time. If they cannot, the add-on is not recoverable.

Proposed order

12. Exclude the SWS and Exhibit 7. If admitted, direct that no further written evidence be served by the Claimant without permission, require pinpoint identification and production of the audits specified at paragraph 2(b), and, if necessary, adjourn with costs payable by the Claimant to mitigate the prejudice to me as a litigant-in-person.

b]Statement of truth[/b]

I believe that the facts stated in this response to the claimants SWS are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:

Date:

How to use this (today ASAP)

File it as a short “Objection to SWS” (email the court at enquiries.barnsley.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and copying DCB Legal at info@dcblegal.co.uk and yourself), and take 3 printed copies to the hearing.

At the start, say: “Judge, I object to the late SWS and Exhibit 7 served five days before the hearing. This one/two-page note sets out the prejudice and my proposed directions.”

If the Judge admits it, use points 3–11 as your oral reply roadmap (no lengthy debate).
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 26, 2025, 09:38:55 am
Just an addition, I called the number seen at the space to make payment on the same day several times and it was the same, the computer speaking to me was giving a wrong information and couldn't provide any useful information to assist with payment.


The issue with the phone call and trying to make the payment on the machine even made me spent more time at the parking spot.

I don't know if this can help a bit

Thank you
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 26, 2025, 09:25:46 am
Good morning all.

I just received a supplementary WS email from DCB legal
Below is the link to access it
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GexyXqd7KowmH0cYFaMxVOdhbt5YHovw/view?usp=drivesdk

Your advise will be appreciated

Thank you
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 16, 2025, 05:27:38 pm
Thank you all for the encouragement

I do appreciate all you do and will stay in touch
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on September 16, 2025, 04:52:16 pm
This is the civil court. It is not a criminal court like magistrates or crown court. No 'Rumpole of the Bailey' with wigs and robes etc. Far too many people simply imagine a court with a judge in robes and a wig and lots of barristers and clerks in robes. It is nothing of the sort. It is simply a court where civil disputes are adjudicated on by a district judge and, more often than not, is held in judges chambers, not an actual courtroom.

It is the ultimate arbitration service that is, unfortunately, abused by these serial litigators.

Remember, even in the very worst case scenario and you were not successful, as long as the CCJ is paid in full within 30 days, there is no record of it on your credit file. It is completely expunged from the record. All costs are fixed and unless you acted unreasonably, such as not turning up for the hearing, then they cannot escalate. Also, the extra £70 added on by the claimant to the £100 charge are usually disallowed as double recovery.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: DWMB2 on September 16, 2025, 03:13:35 pm
Frankly it's rare that anyone defending a case with DCB Legal involved has to step into a courtroom, as they nearly always discontinue. But there's a reason we always say we cannot provide any guarantee that they will.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 16, 2025, 02:57:41 pm
This is indeed a learning curve

I have never stepped into a court room before or had to defend a case

I will feedback to the house

Hoping for the best
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on September 16, 2025, 02:48:03 pm
No problem. What to expect and how to handle the day:

• It’s routine. The claimant’s solicitors (DCB Legal) usually brief a local advocate who will have skimmed the bundle shortly before the hearing—about as long as the judge has had.
• Arrive 30–45 minutes early to clear security and tell the Usher you’re present.
• If the claimant’s advocate tries to chat, just say: “Thank you, I’ll address everything to the Judge.” You don’t need to discuss or agree anything in the corridor.

Bring:

• Two spare printed copies of your witness statement (one for the Judge, one for the advocate) plus your exhibits index.
• Your short bullet list of points (see below).
• Photo ID and your hearing notice.

How to address the Judge

• Address them as “Judge”.
• Keep answers short; if you need a moment to find a page, say so.

When it is your turn to speak, use this as your 60-second opening (read from this if you like)

“Judge, I’m a litigant in person. My case is simple. First, the Particulars of Claim didn’t comply with CPR 16.4, so I couldn’t know the case to meet until the claimant’s witness statement.
Second, even now, their own Exhibit 6 skips the material window (13:30–14:11 on 30/10/2024), so it proves nothing about my vehicle.
Third, there’s no ANPR audit at all to support the asserted entry/exit times.
Fourth, the signs contain no term allowing an extra £70. I was the driver; I tried repeatedly to pay but their system failed—so any contract was frustrated.
On that basis I ask for strike-out; alternatively, dismissal.”

Bullet list (your prompt card)

• CPR 16.4 failure: PoC lacked contractual clause(s), specific breach, driver/keeper basis, and calculation. Ambush via WS.
• Exhibit 6: sequence jumps (#93 → #238); missing entries cover 13:30–14:11; incomplete = no proof.
• No ANPR audit: no event log/metadata/calibration to prove 13:30/14:11.
• System failure: multiple attempts to pay; no gateway/error/uptime logs disclosed to rebut that.
• No £70 term on signs; not recoverable.
• Relief: strike out; or dismiss; and disallow £70.
• If/when successful, request your costs for travel to/from court and up to £95 for loss of earnings due to court attendance. (take a payslip if necessary)

Practical tips:

• Speak slowly; pause after each point so the Judge can note it.
• If you’re asked a question you can’t answer from memory, say: “May I check the bundle?” and take your time.
• If the advocate claims they didn’t receive your WS, hand over one of your spare copies and offer the other to the Judge.

Finally, watch this short video which explains what happens when your hearing takes place:

https://youtu.be/n93eoaxhzpU?feature=shared

Treat it as a valuable learning experience and please let us know how you get on. A short report that can include the name of the judge and how it all went, would be very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 16, 2025, 02:08:13 pm
So sorry for the error

01/10/2025 at 11 am
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on September 16, 2025, 02:03:18 pm
I think you have missed that court date by over 9 months. Even if you meant 2026, that is an impossibility because 1st January is a bank holiday.

So, please verify the information you received as those dates are WRONG!!!
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 16, 2025, 01:47:22 pm
Good afternoon

I was able to speak with the court today and the person on the call confirmed that the hearing is on 01/01/2025 at 11 am

It means the payment was made.

Any advise on the next step will be appreciated

Thank you
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 14, 2025, 10:52:41 am
Ok I will try both and keep you posted

Thank you
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on September 14, 2025, 10:16:50 am
You can, but they may refer you to a call centre though.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 14, 2025, 09:36:09 am
Good morning

I have sent the witness statement now.

Can I go to the court to confirm if the payment was made before the deadline with the necessary documents to show I am the defendant rather than calling the court?

Thank you for your guidance.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 14, 2025, 08:49:18 am
I received everything you mentioned

I just read the notice of trial date again and it says we should both submit our WS 14 days before the trial.

I will send the WS immediately and call the Barnsley court tomorrow also thank you
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on September 14, 2025, 08:12:26 am
I don't understand you. You received the N1SDT Claim form, defended and then received the N180 DQ and mediation call. At some point after that, you should have received a directions order telling you that the claim has been transferred to your local county court. Then you should have received an allocation notice from your local court that it has been allocated to the small claims track and it would have had the date of the hearing, the deadline for the claimant to pay the £27 trial fee and the deadline for both parties to submit their evidence/WS/bundle etc.

You say you called the court (CNBC or your local county court?) and were told that your name is not on the claim with that number. This is very serious if you have not received the appropriate orders from the court since allocation. You MUST clarify with the court (Barnsley County Court) why they say your name is not on the claim. You have the N1SDT form and that has your name on it, doesn't it? It is addressed to you is it not?

If you have not had any communication from Barnsley County Court directly addressed to you, there is a SNAFU somewhere and it needs to be rectified ASAP before it becomes a FUBAR.

Make sure you send your WS as a PDF attachment in an email to enquiries.barnsley.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and CC info@dcblegal.co.uk and also CC yourself. Just get it emailed asap.

Please answer the questions I have raised above in order to clarify why you appear to be in the dark about the deadlines.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 13, 2025, 08:19:48 pm
Sorry for the late reply

Here is the link of document that showed they are the representative of excel parking. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GEzrqif8q1Kl0uo-XdnMXUEnmxxg8v1I/view?usp=drivesdk

The deadline for payment was 03/09/2025.

I will call the court again on Monday because the first time I called them, they said my name was not on the case.

Thank you for the reply to be sent for my WS. The trial is on 01/10/2025 as seen on the WS that DCB legal copied me. Should I sent the reply 14 days before the trial date and I am yet to receive any letter or email from the court.

Thank you for all you do
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on September 13, 2025, 04:04:22 pm
Without receiving an answer to my questions, this is what I propose you submit as your WS. I am assuming the decline for submission is 14 days before the trial date. If so, do not submit this any earlier.

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT BARNSLEY
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Excel Parking Services Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



WITNESS STATEMENT


1. I am the Defendant in this case. This is my witness statement. The facts and matters set out are within my own knowledge unless otherwise stated, and are true to the best of my knowledge and belief.

Preliminary matter

2. I invite the Court to strike out the claim. The Particulars of Claim do not comply with CPR 16.4: they omit the contractual clause(s) relied upon, the precise breach, the driver/keeper basis, and any clear calculation of the sum claimed. Nothing prevented this legally represented, serial litigant from serving full, separate Particulars after issue (or seeking permission to amend). Their witness—who styles himself “Head of Legal”—plainly knows this. The decision not to plead a proper case was a tactic, not a MCOL inevitability. The Claimant has tried to “cure” the defects by unveiling new particulars for the first time in a witness statement.

Procedural unfairness and late disclosure of the “theory of breach”

3. For clarity, all ‘Exhibit [n]’ citations below are to the Claimant’s WS exhibits (e.g. Exhibit 6).

4. At the time I filed my Defence, I could not tell what was actually alleged. The Particulars of Claim did not say whether the accusation was non-payment, late payment, a keying error, or something else. I only understood the case the Claimant now wishes to run when I received their witness statement and exhibits.

5. I did not receive any Notice to Keeper. My first knowledge of this matter was a Letter of Claim from the Claimant’s solicitors, after which I immediately provided my correct service address and requested rectification of any outdated address. I note that the Claimant now exhibits a Notice to Keeper at Exhibit 5; I simply did not receive it. I raise this solely to explain why no appeal was lodged and to rebut any insinuation that not using their in-house appeal implies liability.

Events on 30/10/2024

5. I was the driver on 30/10/2024. I made repeated attempts to pay, but the payment system would not complete a transaction. After many attempts over a period of time, I had no option but to leave.

6. I accept that no payment was ultimately completed. That non-payment was caused by the Claimant’s system failure and cannot amount to breach. The Claimant has disclosed no contemporaneous machine audit, no PSP/gateway reconciliation or error logs, no uptime/incident records, and no ANPR/payment clock-synchronisation evidence for the material window (30/10/2024, 13:30–14:11).

Selective “payment” extract and missing entries

7. The Claimant relies on an “Allow List Export” at Exhibit 6 to suggest that no tariff was purchased for my VRM. The document itself states it was generated on 08/08/2025 and purports to cover 30/10/2024–31/10/2024. However, the sequence produced is truncated: it jumps from entry #93 (31/10/2024 09:30) to #238 (30/10/2024 13:11), omitting entries #94–#237. Those missing entries would cover the whole material window (13:30–14:11 on 30/10/2024). A selective, incomplete extract cannot demonstrate that the system was operating normally or rebut repeated failed attempts.

8. The pages that are disclosed actually show a contemporaneous transaction overlapping the alleged window (for example, the entry numbered #238 runs 13:11–14:11 for another VRM). That indicates records for that timeframe exist; yet the remainder of the entries for that window have not been provided. In these circumstances, I understand the Court may draw an adverse inference from selective disclosure. (Exhibit 6)

ANPR timestamps without any underlying audit

9. The witness statement quotes “entry” and “exit” times of 13:30 / 14:11 for 30/10/2024, but there is no exhibit containing any ANPR audit (no system event log, no raw image metadata, no calibration/accuracy checks). ANPR records boundary crossings; without the audit trail, those timestamps are unproven. This omission is material given that Exhibit 6 skips the very window relied upon.

No contractual term for the added £70

10. The signage relied upon forms the alleged contract. The Claimant’s own signage photographs at Exhibit 2 (and the site plan at Exhibit 4) contain no term that allows an additional £70—still less a clear and prominent price term to that effect. The attempt to bolt on a fixed £70 therefore has no contractual basis.

Matters not in dispute (to narrow the issues)

11. I do not take issue with the existence/term of the landowner agreement exhibited at Exhibit 1, nor with the PoFA wording of the Notice to Keeper exhibited at Exhibit 5. The issues are: (i) the defective pleading and late attempt to introduce particulars via the witness statement; (ii) the incomplete payment data in Exhibit 6 that omit the material window; (iii) the absence of any ANPR or payment-system audits for that period; and (iv) the lack of any signage term permitting an added £70.

Position

12. On the facts above: (a) the pleadings are non-compliant; (b) the Claimant’s own Exhibit 6 omits the material window; (c) the contemporaneous audits one would expect if the systems were functioning have not been disclosed; (d) Exhibit 2 contains no contractual basis for an added £70; and (e) the Claimant seeks to advance missing particulars at evidence stage.

13. I respectfully ask the Court to strike out the claim. In the alternative, I ask the Court to place little or no weight on new particulars introduced for the first time in the witness statement, to disallow the £70 add-on as unsupported by Exhibit 2, and to dismiss the claim for want of proof.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on September 13, 2025, 12:45:37 pm
What are the deadline dates? Date for payment of the £27 trial fee by the claimant and date for submission of WS? Also what is the date of the hearing?

If the date for the payment of the trial fee has passed, have you checked with the court that the trial fee has been paid?
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on September 13, 2025, 12:33:23 pm
I am reviewing the WS by Jake Burgess, a well known incompetent and has a reputation amongst those of us who know of him or have to deal with his mendacious statements, as someone who has been ridiculed in court so many times, we all await his next spanking.

To start with, after a cursory review of the WS, there is a glaring error in their supposed evidence. The Claimant’s own “Payment Log” is incomplete and omits the very window they rely upon. The alleged contravention is 30/10/2024 from 13:30 to 14:11.

Paragraph 2(i) of the WS section on "the defence" (page 5) asserts that “...as evidenced by the Payment Log at ‘EXHIBIT 6’ a parking tariff was not purchased for the Vehicle on site, YK14 OEL”.

EXHIBIT 6 (pages 38-41) is headed “Allow List Export (generated on 08/08/2025)... All inactive from 30/10/2024 to 31/10/2024”, but the sequential entries jump from #93 (31/10/2024 09:30) straight to #238 (30/10/2024 13:11), leaving a void for #94–#237—i.e., the entire period between 30/10/2024 13:11 and 31/10/2024 09:30. That gap necessarily includes 30/10/2024 13:30–14:11, so the log does not evidence anything about the Defendant’s VRM in the material time.

That alone backs up my view of Jake Burgess's competence as a 'witness'.

I will get back once I've had a chance to digest more of the incompetent rubbish from this mendacious witness.

However, I need to see the PoC. The original image has been removed so please host the claim form with the PoC again. Also, please confirm that Excel are represented by DCB Legal.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 12, 2025, 06:05:19 pm
Good evening all

Here is the link to the witness statement

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CvrakSLKgyzCTBNCCm-BM4TnEvi5PACB/view?usp=drivesdk

Thank you all
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 12, 2025, 04:31:46 pm
Honestly I don't know how I omitted the previous question.

I am the 1st defendant and a proof is also on the witness statement

Sorry for the late reply

I will redact the witness statement and send a link to access it

Thank you
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on September 12, 2025, 12:43:24 pm
Who is the person named in the N1SDT Claim Form? That will be addressed to the defendant.

If you can't be bothered to answer the questions, how do you expect to receive any assistance?

Are YOU the named defendant?

You will have to show us the claimants WS. Use Google Drive or any other free to host service. Please remember to redact your personal details, if only to try and prevent identity theft.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 12, 2025, 12:24:03 pm
The email was sent to enquiries.barnsley.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and I was copied

A clarification on my previous message

Thanks
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 12, 2025, 12:17:33 pm
 Good day everyone

I just received an email titled 1xxxxx.11481d - M9Kxxxxx- Excel Parking Services Limited v Salaudeen Adebayo - Hearing listed on 01/10/2025 at 1600 with a witness statement of 42 pages from excel representative in DCBL legal.

I am totally confused now, I will appreciate any help and can I share the witness statement here or any alternative means.

Thank you
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on September 05, 2025, 05:29:08 pm
Who is the person named in the N1SDT Claim Form? That will be addressed to the defendant.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 05, 2025, 04:55:27 pm
She didn't mention the name to me but excel parking services limited is the 1st claimant and I and the 1st defendant which I mentioned to her but she said I should check other correspondence to be sure the claim number is correct. I am confused because the claim number is the same in all the correspondence.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: DWMB2 on September 05, 2025, 04:45:55 pm
I am not the named person on the claim number
Who is??
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on September 05, 2025, 04:25:11 pm
Good afternoon everyone

I called the court today and the person I spoke with said I am not the named person on the claim number so they can not provide any update.

Any advice on how to get an update or can I visit the court to ask

Thank you
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on August 07, 2025, 04:23:50 pm
Ignore them. It's the precursor to their discontinuation.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on August 07, 2025, 11:55:23 am
Ok thank you 😊
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: jfollows on August 07, 2025, 11:49:42 am
No, it’s not from DCBL, it’s from DCB Legal, they are different companies.
In any case, ignore. They will keep reducing the amount until it gets to zero. If they phone you or text you, block their number.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on August 07, 2025, 11:46:35 am
Good morning

I just received this email from DCBL.

Should I ignore please?


Dear Salaudeeh Adebayo,

 

Re: Our Client: Excel Parking Services Limited

Claim Number: xxxxxx

 

WITHOUT PREJUDICE SAVE AS TO COSTS

 

We write to you in relation to the above matter.

 

To assist the Court in achieving its overriding objective, our Client may be prepared to settle this case. I can confirm our Client would be agreeable to £185.00 in full and final settlement of this Claim. The current outstanding balance is £260.00.

   

Should you be agreeable to this offer, please confirm the same within 7 Days. Payment can be made via our website www.dcblegal.co.uk, by calling our office on 0203 838 7038 or via bank transfer: 

   

 

DCB Legal Ltd Client Account  

 

Sort Code: xxxxxx  

Account no: 60964xxx 

   

When making payment please ensure you include the following reference number, 121096.11481d, to enable us to allocate it to the correct case.

   

 

Upon receipt of the settlement sum of £185.00 we will update the Court that the matter has been settled. If you are not agreeable, we will continue to follow the Court process as normal. 


Kind Regards, 

 

Madeleine McCusker

Case Manager

DCB Legal Ltd 
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on August 05, 2025, 07:41:20 pm
Ok thank you

I will do that
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: jfollows on August 05, 2025, 04:18:04 pm
You make a note in your diary for 4 September when you will call the court if you haven’t otherwise been notified to ask if the case is still going ahead or has been struck out.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on August 05, 2025, 04:16:06 pm
Good evening all

I received a letter from the court today.

Attached is the front page.

Any advice will be appreciated
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on July 10, 2025, 07:22:18 pm
Thank you so much

I will watch out for the date and also keep the forum updated
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: jfollows on July 10, 2025, 07:18:58 pm
You will get a court date but, crucially, you will also see the date by which the claimant has to pay the court fee. Make a note of this date and, if you hear nothing, call the court the following day to enquire about the status of the hearing. It is likely that the court fee will not be paid and therefore the hearing will be vacated, meaning this is the end of it for you.

Their tactics are
So as long as you keep on top of things, they will eventually give up.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on July 10, 2025, 07:01:00 pm
Good evening all

After the meditation appointment, I received the letter attached today.

Any idea on what to expect next.

Thank you

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Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on May 29, 2025, 09:33:00 am
Thank you

I will also check other threads
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: jfollows on May 29, 2025, 09:20:59 am
Look at other threads here, it’s normal and mandatory but you say you’re willing to offer £0 and that will be it. Don’t talk about your defence, the person running the session is not legally trained. Just an annoying few minutes out of your day.

If it says anywhere that you should present your defence then you should complain because this is inappropriate.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on May 29, 2025, 09:06:01 am
Good morning

I just received an email about meditation appointment 

A sample of the first page of the email is attached 

It is a telephone conversation to reach an agreement between both parties to prevent going to court and I am expected to present my defence on that day

Any help will be appreciated 

Thank you

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Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on May 15, 2025, 05:18:25 pm
I have sent the filled N180 form to both emails and copied myself.


Thank you
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on May 15, 2025, 04:57:34 pm
Ok thank you
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: DWMB2 on May 15, 2025, 04:50:19 pm
No - you should fill in the whole form, but the rest of it should be fairly straightforward without our help.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on May 15, 2025, 04:48:21 pm
Thank you so much for your time

Should I ignore the sections not listed below?
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on May 15, 2025, 02:23:00 pm
All as expected. Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on May 15, 2025, 10:42:31 am
Good morning

I just received an email from DCBL stating that they are ready to proceed with the case

Attached is a copy of the email

An N180 pdf was also attached in the email, I don't know if I should share it here too.

Thank you

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Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Charitynjw on April 21, 2025, 07:41:20 pm
I have deleted the off-topic posts. If people wish to debate whether or not advice posted on Free Traffic Legal Advice should be referred to as advice, the place to do so is in the Flame Pit.

Noted.  :)
I've added a disclaimer, just in case.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: DWMB2 on April 21, 2025, 07:06:11 pm
I have deleted the off-topic posts. If people wish to debate whether or not advice posted on Free Traffic Legal Advice should be referred to as advice, the place to do so is in the Flame Pit.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: H C Andersen on April 21, 2025, 06:38:24 pm
It's so easy to get bogged down in minutiae that the bigger picture is lost.

So OP, you posted 'I didn't reply and I never revealed who drove the car to them' from which it's possible to infer that something which gave you the option to reply was received.

But what you're saying is that the first letter you received - addressed as per your V5C-was the follow-up dated 5 Dec. which notified you that it was too late to appeal.

In which case the rest is process without any substantive issues being examined.

If you weren't the driver, which is clearly implied, then the only way that you could be held liable is as the keeper, to do which they would need to have served a compliant Notice to Keeper.

But this is not in evidence.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on April 21, 2025, 10:30:22 am
Good morning

No letter was received on the said date,  I have kept all our correspondence and shared everything in the group

Thank you
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: H C Andersen on April 21, 2025, 09:36:28 am
Being the 'only true witness to the events in question' implies that this person was the driver. Indeed post #1 still states as much.

But for completeness, OP where is the original notice sent to you as the registered keeper on 6 Nov. 2024?
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on April 20, 2025, 08:31:27 am
Thank you for the clarification
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on April 20, 2025, 08:17:26 am
No. You don't take calls from Excel or DCB Legal.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on April 20, 2025, 08:00:19 am
Ok thank you so much

I was referring to the call mentioned in the letter attached from excel to try to settle out of court
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on April 20, 2025, 06:56:19 am
If who calls?

You are now waiting for the claimants acknowledgment of your defence and their intention to proceed. This is usually accompanied with a copy of their N180 Directions Questionnaire (DQ).

Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on April 20, 2025, 05:25:12 am
Please any advice on what I should say if they call or should I ignore their calls

Thank you
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on April 19, 2025, 11:42:25 am
Good day wonderful people

Please I received a letter from the court this morning and a copy is attached.

Just keeping the house updated.

Thank you for all you do

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Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on April 05, 2025, 01:06:53 pm
Thank you so much

I will keep you posted
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on April 05, 2025, 01:02:22 pm
Did you ever get a response to your response? You may feel emboldened and some schadenfreude when you read this story:

Parking firm told to pay £10k in five-minute rule row (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2040xy9yn6o)

With an issue date of 2nd April, you have until 4pm on Monday 21st April to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Tuesday 6th May to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you combine both documents as a single PDF attachment and send as an attachment in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of Excel Parking Services Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Excel Parking Services Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4. The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tcewefk7daozuje25chkl/Strikeout-order-v2.pdf?rlkey=wxnymo8mwcma2jj8xihjm7pdx&st=nbtf0cn6&dl=0)
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on April 05, 2025, 11:59:42 am
Good afternoon

I just received N1SDT Claim form with the other N9 parks.

I will appreciate your advise on the next step

Thank you all

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Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on February 13, 2025, 08:45:43 pm
Thank you, I will keep you posted
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on February 13, 2025, 07:20:28 pm
Report DCB Legal to HMRC of suspected VAT fraud, probably in the £millions.

Respond with the following:

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Dear Sirs,

You appear to be deliberately attempting to mislead me by stating that the added sum is a "contribution to the actual costs incurred by your Client as a result of non-payment."

Please stop pretending this isn’t your own debt recovery fee, which you keep rather than the parking operator. This ploy was first introduced by Gladstones when they began marketing 'no win, no fee' services to parking firms over a decade ago. This was openly advertised in the IPC newsletter at the time, with the first iteration being a £50 addition.

This is your success fee, isn’t it?

You are providing a VATable service to your client, so VAT applies to this fee. It is not part of the parking charge and has nothing to do with the so-called ‘work’ undertaken by one of your rogue private parking clients. It is your fee—your share of the spoils.

So, I ask again: why am I expected to pay your client’s fee for your VATable service, and why am I expected to pay the VAT element when HMRC has ruled that VAT on such a service cannot be passed onto a consumer because the service is provided to the trader?

If you are unable to understand this question, kindly pass the file to someone with the intellectual capacity who does. I expect a proper response, not a recycled template with grammar that indicates the author has yet to graduate primary school, trying to disguise this fee as anything other than what it is.

I suggest you try again otherwise this suspected VAT fraud will be reported to HMRC.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]

Wait for the N1SDT Claim Form to arrive from the CNBC and then show it to us. Only redact your personal info, the claim number and the MCOL password.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on February 13, 2025, 04:43:36 pm
Good evening

I just received an email from dcblegal.

Please kindly advise on the next step

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Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: mickR on January 31, 2025, 09:06:08 pm
No the KEEPER didn't appeal

::) ftfy
the driver didn't recive the pcn
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on January 31, 2025, 06:14:47 pm
Thank you

I will do that immediately and keep you posted
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: b789 on January 31, 2025, 05:56:56 pm
Never, ever refer to yourself as the driver. Are you listed as the "owner" in the official "Register of vehicle Owners"... No you are not as there is no such thing! You are the Registered Keeper (RK). If you look very carefully at the front of your V5C registration document, you will see printed very boldly in capital letters:

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THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP

Excel have (or had until you posted here) no idea of the identity of the driver. They only know (or knew) the identity of the Keeper. The Keeper and the driver are two separate legal entities and there is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company.

The Keeper should only ever refer to the driver in the third person such as "The driver did this or that", not "I did this or that"!

DCBL have absolutely nothing to do with this and you correctly ignored them. However, DCB Legal (a sister company) have now issued a Letter of Claim (LoC). If the amount claimed is not paid within 30 days, they can issue a county court claim for the alleged debt without further notice. You definitely can't ignore an N1 SDT Claim Form from the CNBC when it arrives.

For now, I suggest you edit your post to remove any identification of who was driving. Also, you can respond to the LoC with the following:

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DCB Legal
Direct House
Greenwood Drive
Manor Park
Runcorn
WA7 1UG

By email to: info@dcblegal.co.uk

[Date]

Dear Sirs,

Re: Letter of Claim dated 22nd January 2025

I refer to your Letter of Claim.

I confirm that my address for service at this time is as follows, and I request that any outdated address be erased from your records to ensure compliance with data protection obligations:

[YOUR ADDRESS]

Please note that the alleged debt is disputed, and any court proceedings will be robustly defended.

I note that the sum claimed has been increased by an excessive and unjustifiable amount, which appears contrary to the principles established by the Government, who described such practices as “extorting money from motorists”. Please refrain from sending boilerplate responses or justifications regarding this issue.

Under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, I require specific answers to the following questions:

1. Does the additional £70 represent what you describe as a “Debt Recovery” fee? If so, is this figure net of or inclusive of VAT? If inclusive, I trust you will explain why I, as the alleged debtor, am being asked to cover your client’s VAT liability.

2. Regarding the principal sum of the alleged Parking Charge Notice (PCN): Is this being claimed as damages for breach of contract, or will it be pleaded as consideration for a purported parking contract?

I would caution you against simply dismissing these questions with vague or boilerplate responses, as I am fully aware of the implications. By claiming that PCNs are exempt from VAT while simultaneously inflating the debt recovery element, your client – with your assistance – appears to be evading VAT obligations due to HMRC. Such mendacious conduct raises serious questions about the legality and ethics of your practices.

I strongly advise your client to cease and desist. Should this matter proceed to court, you can be assured that these issues will be brought to the court’s attention, alongside a robust defence and potentially a counterclaim for unreasonable conduct.

Yours faithfully,

Save it as a PDF file and attach it to an email addressed to info@dcblegal.co.uk and also CC in yourself.

Come back when they respond.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: mickR on January 31, 2025, 05:56:18 pm
yes edit your post.

its likely dcb legal will discontinue before any court action or will enter insufficient particulars of claim.

@b789 is up on the ness to defend this and will no doubt comment.

it's also likely Excels NTK wasn't Fully pofa compliant and therefore they had no authority to chase the keeper.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on January 31, 2025, 05:52:42 pm
So sorry about that, I didn't reply and I never revealed who drove the car to them
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: jfollows on January 31, 2025, 05:44:40 pm
That’s not the answer to the question asked, and your answer reveals who the driver was, which you are advised not to do.

Point 2 of the READ THIS FIRST post.
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on January 31, 2025, 05:34:22 pm
No the keeper didn't appeal and the driver didn't receive the pcn
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: mickR on January 31, 2025, 05:04:28 pm
did you reply/appeal at any point?
if so did you reveal who was driving?
Title: Re: Dcbl private parking
Post by: RichardW on January 31, 2025, 05:01:42 pm
Do you still have the original notice to keeper - can you post it up?
Title: Dcbl private parking
Post by: Sabab4321 on January 31, 2025, 03:58:04 pm
Good afternoon,

I am seeking legal advice regarding a parking incident that occurred in Leeds on 30/10/2024.


Since then, I have received the attached letters regarding this matter.

I would appreciate your legal guidance on how to proceed.

Thank you.

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