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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: moctey on September 06, 2023, 02:09:24 pm

Title: Re: Lambeth, Code 52, car/mc prohibition, Cornwall Road
Post by: cp8759 on September 21, 2023, 10:25:01 pm
Well can you show us your measurements and all the photos please?

We only care about the left-hand side as that's the side of the road where you were.
Title: Re: Lambeth, Code 52, car/mc prohibition, Cornwall Road
Post by: moctey on September 20, 2023, 05:36:09 pm
I went to measure and on the left side it's just a little above 2m, but clearly above

On the right hand side, it's below 2m but clearly not on the left hand side
Title: Re: Lambeth, Code 52, car/mc prohibition, Cornwall Road
Post by: cp8759 on September 13, 2023, 12:55:19 am
yes I can go back but I am not to sure to understand what distance to measure
Start with the northwestern wall of the building at 123 Stamford Street, this is the wall facing Stamford Street. Draw an imaginary line as if that wall continued across the junction, like this (you'll need a long tape measure and possibly someone to help you hold it in place):

(https://i.imgur.com/Q3LtGsH.png)

Find the point where this imaginary line intersects the kerb of Cornwall Road on the side where you drove, shown by the red X here:

(https://i.imgur.com/v5bAH9s.png)

Measure the exact distance from that spot to the sign, illustrated by the blue line below:

(https://i.imgur.com/NwHmhO2.png)

Make sure to take photos to document each step.
Title: Re: Lambeth, Code 52, car/mc prohibition, Cornwall Road
Post by: moctey on September 12, 2023, 01:51:36 pm
representation letter:

https://imgur.com/a/pTN8rhH

https://imgur.com/a/mwao0MF

(https://imgur.com/a/pTN8rhH)

(https://imgur.com/a/mwao0MF)

thank you very much, I'll start trying with that

yes I can go back but I am not to sure to understand what distance to measure

Does it change anything that I did not use and did not intend to use this road, but I stopped there after the footage as I just wanted to park on a motorcycle? I find the footage quite misleading

what about the fact they call me "Paul Louise" instead of "Paul Louis"? I guess it doesn't matter....
Title: Re: Lambeth, Code 52, car/mc prohibition, Cornwall Road
Post by: cp8759 on September 10, 2023, 01:43:29 pm
@moctey send this and let's see what they say:

Dear London Borough of Lambeth,

I challenge liability for PCN LJ25786740 because the notice mis-states the time-period mandated by paragraph 5(2)(a) of Schedule 1 to the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003, this should be 28 days from the date of service of the notice rather than 28 days from the date of the notice.

It follows that the penalty charge must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

Also, are you able to go back to the location? If so, please find point on the northeastern side of Cornwall Road that is in line with the frontage of 123 Stamford Street: https://goo.gl/maps/HGXFKy2oQGHfKkXM9

Then, measure a distance of 2 metres from that point to the sign (which is the sign you passed on the left in the video).

If the distance between the first point and the sign is less than two meters, Lambeth can't enforce as the sign would be a TFL section of the road.

Lastly, you might want to redact your postal address form the image of the PCN you've posted above.
Title: Re: Lambeth, Code 52, car/mc prohibition, Cornwall Road
Post by: cp8759 on September 10, 2023, 01:27:02 pm
If it's a no entry road--why are there traffic lights?
It's not a no-entry road, it's open to bicycles, pedibus (https://www.pedibus.co.uk/), horse-drawn-carriages and so on. In any event the traffic lights are there to regulate traffic using the junction, not just traffic travelling into that particular road.
Title: Re: Lambeth, Code 52, car/mc prohibition, Cornwall Road
Post by: mrmustard on September 08, 2023, 01:07:11 pm
Please add the representations pages
Title: Re: Lambeth, Code 52, car/mc prohibition, Cornwall Road
Post by: moctey on September 08, 2023, 01:05:16 pm
sorry for the links, they are here now:

(https://i.imgur.com/uxwOu7X.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QlkmOX8.jpeg)
Title: Re: Lambeth, Code 52, car/mc prohibition, Cornwall Road
Post by: mrmustard on September 07, 2023, 08:09:30 am
We need to see the PCN, all pages, covering only your name and address. There may be a wording error.
Title: Re: Lambeth, Code 52, car/mc prohibition, Cornwall Road
Post by: Chaseman on September 06, 2023, 10:36:07 pm
If it's a no entry road--why are there traffic lights?

Mike

I guess to regulate the traffic coming out of Cornwall Road, not the traffic entering.
Title: Re: Lambeth, Code 52, car/mc prohibition, Cornwall Road
Post by: John U.K. on September 06, 2023, 09:49:18 pm
Your picture links do not work, neither here nor on PPP.
Title: Re: Lambeth, Code 52, car/mc prohibition, Cornwall Road
Post by: guest17 on September 06, 2023, 09:41:08 pm
If it's a no entry road--why are there traffic lights?

Mike
Title: Lambeth, Code 52, car/mc prohibition, Cornwall Road
Post by: moctey on September 06, 2023, 02:09:24 pm
I used to take this road but it is now prohibited, anything that can be done ?

It's a bit tricky because it seems perfectly indicated, I don't really have an excuse on this one

https://goo.gl/maps/xs6EuXwh1MuYDL2V9

Pictures:

https://shorturl.at/fiwyK
https://shorturl.at/pINO5


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thank you, if you can help