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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Johnsmith86 on January 28, 2025, 01:38:22 pm

Title: Re: Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle
Post by: Incandescent on January 29, 2025, 12:35:58 am
Hi, please find the video attached.
Video shows you charging past the signs without hesitation, following others who, of course, may be permit holders. I see no grounds at the moment for an appeal against the contravention itself, but this doesn't mean game-over, as there may well be a 'technical' appeal based on H&F mismanagement of the enforcement process. Such appeals can and do win on their own, so see what others come up with.

Yes I understand how it looks but when you have two hyper active boys in the back seat being silly, believe me its very easy to miss such signs and road markings plus it was my first time in that area.

Like I said in my initial post, I am fully aware that not seeing the signs/markings are not a valid reason to get a PCN cancelled but I still believe I have nothing to lose if I appeal it. I was visiting the local Gambado kids play area so I could try and explain it was a mistake but I would rather challenge it on some other point (i.e. wording, signage, etc..) if possible.
Yes, yes, submit reps and you may get lucky ! Don't let me disuade you.

Don't be confrontational, but emphasise your difficulties while driving around with your little loved ones, and being local, as Stamfordman suggests.
Title: Re: Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle
Post by: Johnsmith86 on January 28, 2025, 10:47:13 pm
Hi, please find the video attached.
Video shows you charging past the signs without hesitation, following others who, of course, may be permit holders. I see no grounds at the moment for an appeal against the contravention itself, but this doesn't mean game-over, as there may well be a 'technical' appeal based on H&F mismanagement of the enforcement process. Such appeals can and do win on their own, so see what others come up with.

Yes I understand how it looks but when you have two hyper active boys in the back seat being silly, believe me its very easy to miss such signs and road markings plus it was my first time in that area.

Like I said in my initial post, I am fully aware that not seeing the signs/markings are not a valid reason to get a PCN cancelled but I still believe I have nothing to lose if I appeal it. I was visiting the local Gambado kids play area so I could try and explain it was a mistake but I would rather challenge it on some other point (i.e. wording, signage, etc..) if possible.
Title: Re: Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle
Post by: stamfordman on January 28, 2025, 10:16:57 pm
This council has a record of first-time cancellations including at this location.

Were you going anywhere locally - they usually like that.

Eg:
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/imperial-road-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-certain-types-of-vehicle-(/
Title: Re: Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle
Post by: Incandescent on January 28, 2025, 05:25:56 pm
Hi, please find the video attached.
Video shows you charging past the signs without hesitation, following others who, of course, may be permit holders. I see no grounds at the moment for an appeal against the contravention itself, but this doesn't mean game-over, as there may well be a 'technical' appeal based on H&F mismanagement of the enforcement process. Such appeals can and do win on their own, so see what others come up with.
Title: Re: Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle
Post by: Johnsmith86 on January 28, 2025, 04:40:34 pm
Hi, please find the video attached.

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Title: Re: Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle
Post by: Incandescent on January 28, 2025, 03:46:20 pm
Their sole evidence is a video which we need to see, but you've blanked out PCN Number and car reg so we can't go and look. Post it here if you can.
Title: Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle
Post by: Johnsmith86 on January 28, 2025, 01:38:22 pm
Hello all,

Unfortunately I have received the attached PCN dated 23/01/2025 from Hammersmith & Fulham Council for a 52M alleged traffic contravention. I honestly did not see the signs, I was driving with my kids in the back and maybe wasn't concentrating fully on the signs but I did not spot them. The first time I found out about the alleged contravention was when I received the PCN. Obviously not seeing the signs/markings are not a valid reason to get a PCN cancelled so I would appreciate the forum's feedback on whether the PCN is worth challenging and if so on what basis. I will try and see if I can find the TMO.

Many thanks in advance

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