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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Gazza on January 28, 2025, 12:31:35 am
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Thanks
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I don't think the OP can escape the obvious fact that the top sign is present and in good condition, and shows the No Waiting times clearly. Of course there may be a 'technical' appeal not related to the alleged contravention, but I don't see one, maybe others do.
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Despite the width of the line, the symbol in the top plate appears to be 'no waiting' (single diagonal red line from top left to bottom right) therefore the sign appears to be compliant even if complex.
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Pl read page 172 of the Traffic Signs Manual and then compare with the sign.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/782724/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf
Any chance of a clearer photo of the top part of the sign. The yellow line looks very broad for a 'no waiting' marking.
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Thanks will post the pcn
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The sign appears to mix the 12 hour and 24 hour clock, only referring to am and pm on some lines. It's not clear whether Monday to Friday parking is 06:00 to 19:30 or 18:00 to 19:30. This is confusing as it could be read as there being an overlap.
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Well, not necessarily... As noted above, post up the PCN, there may be issues with it, or the Council's handling of the appeals process, that may mean you can get it cancelled on a technicality.
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Yes I know
Guess I’d better pay the reduced rate then
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It was a genuine error by an older person who still paid for the parking time
Unfortunately, councils dine out on genuine errors, and are naturally very unforgiving when it is they who keep the penalty money !
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It was a genuine error by an older person who still paid for the parking time
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Thanks
The wording at the bottom of the sign and because the road is free parking after 6pm
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Post the PCN both sides.
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Signs like this are in a hierarchy, with the main restriction always at the top, (the yellow sign). The top sign should be well familiar to you because it is used all over the place and always contains the 'No Waiting" (aka no parking), symbol, with the times when it is banned. In you case from 7.30 pm to 8.00 am.
Then below this, the times when parking is free, and then below that, a sign for when payment must be made.
What made you think parking was free all night when there is a sign that says it isn't ?
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Not sure if it’s me but it doesn’t seem to say if it’s a ban on loading or waiting or what
Should we be punished for a simple mistake when we’ve already paid for parking?
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It is free after 6PM, but only until 7:30PM. Then it becomes no parking overnight until 8AM.
Sign looks fairly standard. There’s a set of rules councils are expected to follow.
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Was ticketed at 9.35pm
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Arrived at 5.45
Paid for 15 mins ringgo (which added up to an overnight stay )cos this road is free after 6pm
Despite confusing yellow line which doesn’t actually describe if is waiting parking or loading restriction, the sign also showed the availability of parking
The bay stretched to the right as per the arrow
Is it worth challenging?
The sign is confusing
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