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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Wayfarer on January 27, 2025, 05:34:07 pm

Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: b789 on June 10, 2025, 03:07:22 pm
It just means that the CNCB have nothing more to do with this and it is all handled at your local court. You will receive a letter from the court with orders on the date of a hearing and deadlines for the parties to submit their witness statements etc and also a deadline for the Claimant to pay the £27 trial fee.

You are also likely to start hearing from DCB Legal with offers to settle. Ignore them. It is their MO and they will discontinue before they have to pay the trial fee.
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on June 10, 2025, 02:42:51 pm
Yes it says "transferred to the County Court at Brentford for allocation".

But not received a 'notice of allocation' yet.

What does this imply?
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: b789 on June 10, 2025, 02:38:55 pm
Has it been transferred to your local county court? We have no idea because you have redacted the name of the county court for whatever reason.

Otherwise, read what it says in the letter... "Details of the judges decision will be sent to you in a notice of allocation".
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on June 10, 2025, 01:32:48 pm
I received the attached notice from the Court. What should I expect to follow? Thanks



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Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on April 16, 2025, 10:09:18 am
Thank you
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: DWMB2 on April 16, 2025, 10:01:14 am
I wouldn't get into any protracted discussion about the merits of your case or the substance of your defence. The claimant has had a copy of your defence, and you can make clear that you stand by the points you made in your defence, and that because you do not believe you owe the claimant anything, you are only prepared to offer £0.
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on April 15, 2025, 11:05:42 pm
Ok, so I have my mediation appointment tomorrow morning and I have looked over the email one more time. In one part it says the follows:

Explaining your position

You will need to briefly explain your claim or defence to the mediator. You should prepare for yourself a brief summary of the main points.


What exactly is advised I should say here and to what level of detail?

Thanks
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: b789 on April 02, 2025, 11:41:44 am
You could just pretend to be your wife. I wouldn't worry about your voice and should the mediator query it. If they do, simply retort with:

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“Are you suggesting I don’t sound like a woman? That seems an odd and rather inappropriate basis for identity verification.”

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“I wasn’t aware that there’s a required way a woman must sound. Is there an issue with my identity or is this about the mediation?”

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“That’s the first time someone’s questioned my womanhood based on my voice — shall we move on to the matter at hand?”

Do you get my point?

Considering that the context of the call is without prejudice and no direct interaction between parties occurs, the situation is low-stakes from a legal standpoint.

If you're still worried about it then you can take the call, tell them that your wife is unavoidably detained and say that she has instructed you to offer £0 and take it from there or to reschedule the call for another date when your wife could be available to offer £0.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about the first option. I do it all the time because our Sky subscription is in my wife's name but I am the one that deals with it and I eventually became fed up at having to have her come to the phone to simply say that she authorises me to deal with the issue. Instead I just started pretending to be her and I have never been queried about whether I am actually her or not.
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on April 02, 2025, 10:05:03 am
Thank you.

So as I initially stated, my claim is addressed to my wife however I would like to step in myself onto the mediation call as I am handling the process and she is working at the appointment date/time. Is it fine if I represent her on the call?

The email does mention:

Nominating a different representative

If you want someone else to represent you at mediation (like a trusted friend, relative or a solicitor) you must contact the mediation team

If you want to choose someone to attend your mediation appointment on your behalf who is not a part of the claim or is not a legal representative, you will also need to complete a delegated authority form. You can find out more about this on GOV.UK.

Your representative must know the facts of the case, understand how far you’re willing to compromise and have full authority to act on your behalf. You’re legally bound to any settlement agreements your representative makes on your behalf.


So I suppose it's ok and I just wanted to ensure this doesn't affect our position somehow.

Thanks
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: DWMB2 on April 02, 2025, 09:53:45 am
Attending mediation in these cases is now mandatory, albeit largely pointless in these cases. Don't get drawn into any debate as to the merits of your case, just state that you are prepared to offer £0 in return for them dropping the case against you. Otherwise, you stand by the contents of your defence and are not willing to settle.
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on April 02, 2025, 09:46:58 am
Following the above, the Court has now emailed to notify me of a 'Mediation Appointment' Here's how the email starts:

Your confidential telephone mediation appointment has been booked for the above date and time slot. This means that the mediator will call you between the times shown. Your appointment will last for around one hour from the point at which the mediator calls.

The mediator will call both parties separately – you will not talk directly to the other side. They will try to help you both come to an agreement before the case goes to court.


I'm not sure if this is the normal course as I didn't request this as far as I know. What is the advice please?

Thanks
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: b789 on March 24, 2025, 08:19:49 pm
Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
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• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on March 24, 2025, 04:20:52 pm
I have now received a letter from the Court itself and a 'Directions Questionnaire' (see attached). Please advise?

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Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: b789 on March 23, 2025, 03:29:36 pm
Bog standard boilerplate response as expected.

Please refer to them as DCB Legal and not their useless debt recovery business, DCBL.
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on March 23, 2025, 03:12:32 pm
Ok, so I have received the attached letter from DCBL. Advice and feedback as to what I need to do next is appreciated.

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Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on February 03, 2025, 05:39:24 pm
Yes that makes sense, glad I found the site at the top of a google search! I'll share the result as soon as I have it.
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: b789 on February 03, 2025, 05:15:17 pm
Trust me, no fingers need to be crossed. Even in the unlikely event that the claim is not struck out, DCB Legal will not continue all the way to a trial. They will discontinue just before that have to pay the trial fee and go off in search of lower-hanging fruit on the gullible tree.

They submit hundreds of thousands of these sham claims. Sadly, we only deal with a tiny proportion of them. The vast majority are either not responded to or screwed up by the defendants and result in default CCJs.
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on February 03, 2025, 05:06:27 pm
This has now been submitted. Again, thank you very much and fingers crossed!
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: b789 on January 31, 2025, 01:07:53 pm
Here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you send both documents as PDF attachments in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of [claimant] v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

MET Parking Services Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE


1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(d) The PoC do not state exactly how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(e) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(f) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The claimant, who is legally represented, could have complied with CPR 16.4 had it served separate detailed Particulars of Claim [as it could have done pursuant to CPR PD7C.5.2(2)] but it chose not to do that.

5. The Defendant submits that as the claim is for a very modest sum, the court should consider it disproportionate and not in accordance with the overriding objective to allot to this case any further share of the court resources by ordering further PoC and a further defence, each of which will be followed further referrals to the judge for case management.

6. The correct course of action is for the court to strike out the claim due to the legally represented Claimant's clear and material failure to comply with CPR 16.4. The rules exist to ensure fairness, and the Claimant's non-compliance cannot be excused. The Defendant asserts that "rules are rules," and the Claimant has failed to follow them.

8. However, in the unlikely event that the court does not agree to strike out the claim for the Claimants failure to comply with CPR 16.4, the Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which they face and can then respond properly to the claim.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/z8zcqfdncdoajgj4ag6a4/short-defence-order.pdf?rlkey=at98xmfwj0ehi3w9d0ia15ogp&st=saqthunn&dl=0)
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on January 31, 2025, 12:44:16 pm
Yes a couple of days ago as mentioned above.
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: b789 on January 31, 2025, 12:42:29 pm
Have you submitted the AoS?
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on January 31, 2025, 12:35:46 pm
Please let me know if there's anything else I need to do at this stage?

Thanks
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on January 29, 2025, 05:09:12 pm
Yes sorry - all in my wife's name!
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: DWMB2 on January 29, 2025, 05:04:31 pm
To be clear, when you say "I", can you confirm this was all done in your wife's name and not yours?
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on January 29, 2025, 04:57:45 pm
Thanks for your prompt responses. I have now submitted an AoS. Please let me know how to proceed and thanks in advance.
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: b789 on January 29, 2025, 01:37:08 pm
There is no such thing as a "registered owner". There is no official register of owners. There is only the Registered Keeper or Hirer and the Driver. They are separate legal entities. There is no legal obligation on the Keeper or the Hirer to identify the driver.

The driver will always be liable and the Keeper/Hirer may or may not also be the driver. The unregulated private parking company will have no idea who the driver is unless the Keeper/Hirer blabs it to them, inadvertently or otherwise.

The cardinal rule that every Keeper/Hirer of a vehicle should know and understand is the they should never identify who was driving at the time of any alleged contravention that results in a Parking Charge Notice (PCN). Unfortunately, most motorists don't know or understand this and usually blunder on blindly and give away the drivers identity inadvertently by using language such as "I did this or that" when appealing or contacting the operator instead of referring to the driver in the third person such as "The driver did this or that".

Unless the PCN fully complies with all the requirements of PoFA, the operator cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown (to them) driver to the known Keeper. The operator is not allowed to infer or assume that the Keeper/Hirer is also the driver and this has been established in several well documented appeal cases.
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: DWMB2 on January 29, 2025, 12:17:48 pm
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Do I need to do anything different here?
The main difference is that you don't do anything, at least not in your name.

If the claim is addressed to your wife, she is the defendant, and she is the one who must respond to the claim. You can of course help her with this, including submitting things for her with her permission, but everything must be done in her name.

The one bit she'll need to do herself is a telephone mediation appointment at some point down the line. This only takes a few minutes and is nothing to fear - we can advise when we get to that stage what to say.
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on January 29, 2025, 11:53:21 am
I have a question:

The claim is addressed to my wife, who is the registered owner of the vehicle. However it was myself using/parking the car on the day Do I need to do anything different here?

Thanks
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on January 27, 2025, 10:17:43 pm
Thank you so much. I'll follow your guidance and revert back as advised
Title: Re: MET Parking Claim
Post by: b789 on January 27, 2025, 10:12:17 pm
Nothing to worry about. You won't be paying a penny to MET if you follow the advice.

With an issue date of 17th January, you have until 5th February to submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS). Follow the instructions in the this linked PDF file to submit your AoS.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

By submitting an AoS, you then have until 4pm on Wednesday 19th February to submit your defence. Let us know when you have submitted your AoS and we will provide you with a suitable defence and attached draft order and instructions on how to submit it.

Follow the advice and the claim will eventually be discontinued and that will be the end of the matter.
Title: MET Parking Claim
Post by: Wayfarer on January 27, 2025, 05:34:07 pm
Hi All,

I received a 'Claim Form' on behalf of MET Parking Services today for parking charges issued on my vehicle at Virgin Active gym in August 2019.

Reason stated: "Failure to clearly display a valid permit and no valid E permit"
Total amount claimed: £332.80

I was a member of the gym at the time of parking my car and I may or may not have had the permit on my window. I believe I did already confirm and prove I was a member of the gym at the time of the penalty charge however this was not heeded. Considering I was a member of the gym and entitled to use the car park, how can I respond to this claim? They have provided 14 days for my response.

I've attached the Court Claim. Appreciate some advice and thanks in advance.

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