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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Abdenour82 on January 26, 2025, 09:55:47 pm

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: Abdenour82 on January 31, 2025, 05:52:22 pm

Thank you very much

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: stamfordman on January 30, 2025, 11:41:15 pm

This is all I can think of - worded so you are just challenging on their evidence and not disclosing what actually happened.

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I am challenging the PCN because there does not appear to be any markings designating a parking bay where I parked.

I have checked your pictures and they confirm a lack of bay markings.

With no indicated parking places I do not think the alleged contravention occurred and I look forward to your early confirmation of cancellation.

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: stamfordman on January 30, 2025, 04:49:34 pm

Sorry - will do later I promise.

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: Abdenour82 on January 30, 2025, 02:14:12 pm

Quote from: stamfordman on January 27, 2025, 11:21:47 pm

I'll do one tomorrow.

Hi Stamfordman, did you have a chance to do the draft? Thank you

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: Abdenour82 on January 28, 2025, 07:31:54 am

Thank you Stamfordman

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: stamfordman on January 27, 2025, 11:21:47 pm

I'll do one tomorrow.

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: Abdenour82 on January 27, 2025, 11:15:40 pm

Could anyone help with a draft as i have never appealed a pcn before,
Thank you

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: stamfordman on January 27, 2025, 10:57:56 pm

Don't send anything without posting a draft here first.

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: Abdenour82 on January 27, 2025, 08:06:44 pm

Thank you everyone for your help

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: mickR on January 27, 2025, 11:19:08 am

I agree with Stamf, what bay markings?

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: stamfordman on January 27, 2025, 11:10:22 am

As I said, the bay markings look almost non-existent on the council pics. Needs careful wording but this  looks to me a good angle.

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: Incandescent on January 27, 2025, 11:06:42 am

Quote from: Abdenour82 on January 27, 2025, 09:15:57 am

I was popping in to a shop with my baby and it was raining

OK, so make sure you put this mitigation into any representations you send in. They may give way, so it's worth a try rather than just coughing-up straight away.

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: Abdenour82 on January 27, 2025, 09:15:57 am

I was popping in to a shop with my baby and it was raining

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: Incandescent on January 26, 2025, 11:26:20 pm

There is no mandatory observation time, and your car being there with no payment made for parking means a CEO can serve a PCN immediately.  Any particular reason you didn't read the bay restrictions sign ?

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: Abdenour82 on January 26, 2025, 10:56:51 pm

I thought it was pay and display and i could park on a Sunday, i didn’t read the sign

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: stamfordman on January 26, 2025, 10:32:52 pm

Bay markings look very faded.

Why did you park there. It's a resident's permit bay on Sundays.

(https://i.ibb.co/TLb3W0p/Screenshot-2025-01-26-at-22-25-48.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/P9B61nv/Screenshot-2025-01-26-at-22-25-31.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/BB18x5V/Screenshot-2025-01-26-at-22-25-07.png)

Title: Re: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: mickR on January 26, 2025, 10:05:15 pm

READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**, 

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

post the pcn using a remote host

Title: Barnet PCN no 5 minutes observation period
Post by: Abdenour82 on January 26, 2025, 09:55:47 pm

I was issued with a PCN in barnet  For parking a mixed pay and display and resident permit.
Observed from 10:13 to 10:13!
Do we get the 5minutes grace period?
Can i challenge the PCN?

https://imgur.com/a/7FWfOp8