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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Pallando on January 26, 2025, 08:27:14 am

Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on May 29, 2025, 01:23:17 pm
Thanks for all the help, greatly appreciated.  I'm more careful where I park nowadays that's for sure!
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on May 29, 2025, 09:55:38 am
Immediate reply - that was quick.

"Good Morning

 

Due to the non-compliance of the Claimant of the order dated 28th April,the case has been struck out."
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on May 29, 2025, 09:52:17 am
Ok done thank you, much appreciated.  I will update here when I hear back.

As for my complaint with SCMS, they just sent the same expired password back to me 🤦
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: b789 on May 24, 2025, 09:59:41 pm
Forget MCOL. It is only relevant until the claim is transferred to your local court. You now need to contact Durham county court for any further information.

If you have not received a copy of their further PoC, then the claim is struck out. They had to serve the further PoC no later than 4pm on Tuesday 13th May. They were bound to send a copy to you. They haven't. They claim stands struck out.

However, just to confirm this, you should send an email marked "URGENT" with the claim number in the subject line to hearingsdurhamcty@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself and info@dcblegal.co.uk, with the following:

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Subject: URGENT – Claim No. M7KF8736 – Civil Enforcement Ltd v [Defendant's Name] – Failure to Comply with Court Order

To: hearingsdurhamcty@justice.gov.uk
Cc: [defendant's email address], info@dcblegal.co.uk

Dear Sir or Madam,

Re: Claim No. M7KF8736 – Civil Enforcement Ltd v [Defendant's Full Name]

Order dated 28 April 2025 before District Judge Reynolds

I write with urgency to inform the Court that the Claimant has failed to comply with paragraph 1 of the above-referenced Order, which required them to file and serve detailed amended Particulars of Claim by 4pm on Tuesday, 13 May 2025, failing which the claim would be struck out.

As of today’s date, I have not received any amended Particulars of Claim, nor any communication whatsoever from the Claimant or their legal representative, DCB Legal Ltd.

Furthermore, I am not aware of any application having been made by the Claimant for relief from sanctions or for an extension of time. As such, the Claimant remains in breach of paragraph 1 of the Order, and the sanction of strike-out should now take effect.

I also note that paragraph 2 of the Order required the Defendant to file an amended defence within 42 days of the Order. However, in the absence of the further and better Particulars of Claim ordered by the Court – which are necessary to identify the case I am required to meet – it is not possible to comply with paragraph 2. The Claimant’s failure to act has therefore placed me in a procedurally unfair position.

I respectfully request that the Court confirm that the claim is now struck out in accordance with the terms of the Order dated 28 April 2025.

In the event that the Court confirms that the claim stands struck out for non-compliance with the unless order, I respectfully request that the Court consider a modest costs order under CPR 27.14(2)(g), on the basis that the Claimant’s failure to file the amended Particulars of Claim has caused unnecessary time and effort. I am a litigant in person and will provide a brief schedule of costs if invited to do so.

Please confirm receipt of this email and advise whether any further action is required on my part.

Yours faithfully,

[Defendant's Full Name]

[Defendant’s Postal Address]
[Defendant’s Email Address]
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on May 24, 2025, 09:18:25 pm
I haven't had any word at all from DCB legal, unless the call comes under 'suspected spam' which I wouldn't answer as a rule.

Nothing in my junk or clutter folders either.

In my MCOL page there's been no change

Last entry in my claim history is
'Your claim was transferred to DURHAM on 08/04/2025'

As for my complaint to SCMS, they replied but by the time I located it in my junk folder the password to the encrypted mail they had sent had timed out

I've contacted them again to see if they can send me another password

I guess as I've not had contact to settle, they intend to proceed?  How would I be notified if that was the case?

Correct, I have until June 10th - 42 days from April 29th to file my defence - originally I was going to go with the signage at the particular car park not being adequate etc, submit photos etc.

But I read on here, that a lengthy defence doesn't sit well nowadays so is there a template I can use in this instance?

Will be checking in here daily from now on as the timeline is fast approaching and any advice for my defence would be hugely appreciated

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: b789 on May 05, 2025, 12:36:43 pm
Drop an email to the SCMS to remind them tat they have not reposted to your complaint.

The Court order is for the claimant to file further, more detailed PoC which must be submitted by 4pm on Tuesday 13th May. If they fail to do so, the claim is struck out. If they do file further PoC, then you have until 4pm on Tuesday 10th June to submit an amended defence.

I suspect that you will now receive either a call, text, email or letter from DCB Legal with an offer to settle, which you should ignore. If you have not received anything from them by the 13th, let us know.
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on May 05, 2025, 07:12:57 am
Haven't received any word from the SCMS yet, although the auto reply stated 10 days.  Past that now

I have in the interim received two documents - The first being 'Notice of Transfer of Proceedings'  then this arrived on Saturday 3rd May.

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Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on April 10, 2025, 01:51:24 pm
Sorry haven't been around on here had some more pressing duties to attend to but thanks so much for getting back to me on this as always with all the detailed information to help me in this case.

Yes indeed, the mediator stated those things and I will do as you instructed and send in a  formal complaint this week.
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: b789 on March 31, 2025, 01:23:14 pm
If what you have explained above is an accurate statement of what was actually said by the mediator, you should make a formal complaint. Nothing disclosed or discussed during mediation (including offers made, reasons for non-settlement, or any admissions) can be referred to the judge or relied upon at the hearing.

The mediator is not a judge and has no decision-making authority. They simply facilitate discussion. If no agreement is reached, the case continues as normal, and the judge at the final hearing will not be informed of what was said or offered during mediation.

If the mediator actually stated he "will forward this information to my local court...” this implies that details of the discussion or offers made during mediation will be passed to the court or judge. That is mendacious and a breach of the confidentiality of the process.

The mediator stating “…and that I will receive a letter in due course instructing me to file the relevant documents in a timely manner.” is standard procedure after unsuccessful mediation, and not problematic in itself.

After mediation fails, the case reverts to the court timetable, and parties are expected to comply with Directions (e.g., file witness statements, evidence etc.). The notice to proceed comes from the court, not the mediator. It sounds as though this mediator is empowering him/herself beyond their remit.

If the mediator suggested the judge might decide the case based on the mediation, that is misleading and prejudicial. If the mediator implied or stated that the judge would see the content of the mediation or the mediator misrepresented the process, suggesting that refusing to settle could prejudice the defendant's case or the mediator gave legal advice or made threats of consequence for not accepting an offer, such conduct is inconsistent with the neutral, non-judgmental role of a court-appointed mediator and breaches Civil Mediation Council or HMCTS expectations.

I suggest you send the following the Small Claims Mediation Service (SCMS) or via HMCTS feedback channels:

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Subject: Formal Complaint Regarding Conduct of Mediator During Small Claims Mediation

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to raise a formal complaint regarding the conduct of a court-appointed mediator during a recent small claims mediation.

The mediation took place on [insert date], in relation to County Court claim number [insert claim number]. During the course of the telephone mediation, the mediator made statements which I believe were inaccurate, inappropriate, and potentially prejudicial.

Specifically, the mediator stated that they would “forward this information to [my] local court” and that I would “receive a letter in due course instructing [me] to file the relevant documents in a timely manner.” They further stated that “the judge will review and either make a decision or proceed to a hearing.”

I am concerned that this implies that the judge will be made aware of the content of the mediation discussion. As I understand it, mediation is intended to be a confidential and without-prejudice process. No information exchanged during the mediation should be disclosed to the court or to the judge who may ultimately hear the case. If the mediator intended to convey something different, it was not made clear, and I found the comments misleading and concerning.

I would appreciate confirmation that:

• The confidentiality of the mediation has not been breached;
• No details of the discussion have been or will be passed to the court;
• Appropriate steps will be taken to ensure mediators are clear about the limits of their role and the confidentiality of the process.

I respectfully request that this matter be investigated, and I look forward to your response.

Yours faithfully,

[Your full name]
[Your address]
[Your contact number]
[Claim number again for reference]
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on March 31, 2025, 11:00:51 am
Had the call just a few moments ago -

Mediator asked if I'd ever had a mediation before and if I'd went through particulars of the email they sent to me

Then went through particulars of case "Location, Overstay 90 mins etc"

Claim is £281.36

First offer is £220 -

As instructed I offered £0 and prepared to settle for £0 if the claimant agrees to drop the claim

The replied that - Yes,  I was prepared to go ahead and have the case seen by a judge

Mediator then hung up and rang back a few minutes later

Informed that they are not willing to drop at this stage, stating that no mitigating circumstances were presented by me at the time

And that they are willing to proceed to court

Mediator stated he will forward this information to my local court and that I will receive a letter in due course instructing me to file the relevant documents in a timely manner.  The judge will review and either make a decision or proceed to a hearing.

 
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on March 31, 2025, 08:54:32 am
Ahh ok, got it... thank you.
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: b789 on March 15, 2025, 11:35:54 am
I didn’t say say “nothing”. I said, you offer £0. You are prepared to settle for £0 if the claimant agrees to drop the claim.
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on March 15, 2025, 11:13:38 am
As I understand it, I just say 'Nothing' when asked how much I am willing to pay and that's it?
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on March 05, 2025, 07:17:01 pm
Now have an appointment for mediation the morning of 31/03.
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on February 27, 2025, 12:21:59 pm
Done now, had until 3rd March to send in

Have received auto replies from both mailboxes
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on February 16, 2025, 01:15:53 pm
Ok, will do thanks
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: b789 on February 16, 2025, 08:12:29 am
I wouldn’t worry too much about it at this stage. The DQ is required for administrative purposes. Just follow the instructions I posted above and download your own DQ and email it as advised.

Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on February 15, 2025, 07:26:57 pm
Ok thank you - have just checked my MCOL history - "DQ sent to you on 13/02/2025"

I've only received a letter for acknowledgement of receipt of defence thus far, so I expect the N180DQ is still enroute.


The email I received from dcblegal claimed to have attached a copy of the questionnaire

"In due course, the Court will direct both parties to each file a directions questionnaire. In preparation for that, please find attached a copy of the Claimant's, which we confirm has been filed with the Court"

All I could see when I clicked on the attachment was a .jpg of their logo.
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: b789 on February 13, 2025, 07:52:37 pm
Did DCB Legal attach a copy of their completed N180DQ? You should wait to receive your own from the CNBC. You can check your MCOL history and it will show if/when your DQ was sent. Once it shows that it has been sent, don't wait for it to arrive, just follow the instructions below:

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Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on February 13, 2025, 07:36:01 pm
Submitted Defence to Claimresponses Wednesday 5th Feb, received automated reply "Please expect a response to your enquiry in 10 days"

Today Thursday 13th Feb I received an email from DCB legal -

"Having reviewed the content of your defence, we write to inform you that our client intends to proceed with the claim"

"In due course, the Court will direct both parties to each file a directions questionnaire. In preparation for that, please find attached a copy of the Claimant's, which we confirm has been filed with the Court"

I couldn't see any attachment, only a jpeg of the dcb legal logo was attached to the mail???

 

Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: b789 on February 04, 2025, 01:07:13 pm
Just to add for anyone else reading this thread, the defence in this case is only for claims that do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). For claims that do comply with subsection (1)(a), there is a slightly amended defence that only refers to CPR 16.4 without specifying the subsection (1)(a) and does not include the two appeals transcripts.
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: b789 on February 04, 2025, 01:03:35 pm
Yes. The judges are becoming more aware of the abuses by these operators and it is better to go for a strike out rather than ordering to issue more detailed PoC. Too much court time is wasted with these serial abusers of the court system.

When you have made the edits to the Defence, save it all as a single PDF document with the defence (2 pages), the Draft Order (1 page) and the two transcripts (4 pages each).

If it helps, here's the defence, draft and the two transcripts already saved as a single PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/b48bh82813bdqy8xp42ov/Short-defence-strikeout-CPR16.4-10-a-single-2.pdf?rlkey=div63kn584sxhs2vkzckj9pdl&st=x8djpkbb&dl=0
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on February 04, 2025, 12:54:43 pm
No haven't sent it yet, so the strike out order is now the draft order.  Got it, will make new pdfs.
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: b789 on February 03, 2025, 11:55:43 am
If you have not yet submitted the defence, here is the new format for your defence and a new draft order to go with it. The transcripts can remain unchanged.

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd


Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant cites the cases of CEL v Chan 2023 [E7GM9W44] and CPMS v Akande 2024 [K0DP5J30], which are persuasive appellate decisions. In these cases, claims were struck out due to identical failures to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). Transcripts of these decisions are attached to this Defence.

5. The Defendant also attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order previously issued by a district judge at another court in a similar case. In that case, the court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

6. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

Statement of Truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

CEL v Chan transcript (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nb9ypbecuurpmln00dily/CELvChan-appeal-transcript.pdf?rlkey=7mpuvpmpe45s2zbhch21om1ez&st=5735s458&dl=0)

CPMS v Akande transcript (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y631olc61z1slr6xfrdsk/CPM-v-AKANDE.pdf?rlkey=kltpojedcxiwarxr0sdfyjo05&st=4z757gg9&dl=0)

Strike out order (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zc23txk7poctyyxiv2ytx/Strikeout-order-1-a-v2.1.pdf?rlkey=pancly3z6zwqt2cra5rvvh3ls&st=t4y6krno&dl=0)
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: b789 on February 03, 2025, 11:33:10 am
Have you sent it yet? I ask because I have been liaising with a district judge and there is an amendment to the defence and the draft order that can now be made.
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on February 02, 2025, 11:43:07 pm
Just double checking before I send - #5 is down twice??  I can edit my pdf so that it ends with draft order as 10 in that case.

Also, should 'Alternative Submission' not be just above where it begins on number 7 here - 'However, in the unlikely event that the court does not agree with the persuasive nature of the cited appellate decisions, the Defendant submits the following alternative:'


Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on January 28, 2025, 10:44:09 am
Thanks for the swift response and taking the time to draw this up on my behalf,. very much appreciated. 🙏
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: b789 on January 27, 2025, 09:01:39 am
Use the following as your defence. You only have to edit the defence with your full name, the claim number and then sign it by typing your full name for the signature and dating it. When done, you save it and the linked attachments as PDF files and you attach them to an email addressed to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself.

Make sure that the email subject field contains the claim number and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence, associated transcripts and draft order in the matter of Civil Enforcement Ltd v [your full name] claim no.: [claim number]".

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd


Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE


1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not disclose any valid cause of action.

Preliminary Matter

2. The Defendant respectfully submits that the Particulars of Claim (PoC) fail to comply with the mandatory requirements of CPR 16.4(1)(a), which states that the PoC must include a concise statement of the facts on which the claimant relies. The PoC are so deficient in particulars that they fail to disclose a cause of action, making it impossible for the Defendant to plead properly.

3. Specifically, the PoC lack:

(a) The specific terms of the alleged contract that were purportedly breached;

(b) The precise signage locations, alleged terms and conditions displayed thereon, or details of how the alleged breach occurred;

(c) Attachment or details of the contract relied upon, contrary to CPR PD 16.7.5;

(d) Particularity as to the alleged breach, including its nature, time, and location;

(e) An explanation of how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) Clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. Furthermore, the Defendant notes that the PoC state the terms of the alleged contract included a provision for "Maximum 90 Minutes Free Parking." Upon inspecting the location, the Defendant confirms that the signage does not state "Maximum 90 Minutes Free Parking" but instead states "Maximum 60 Minutes Free Parking." This discrepancy undermines the validity of the claim as the PoC materially misstate the alleged terms of the contract.

5. The Defendant submits that this misrepresentation amounts to a failure to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because it:

(i) Misstates the terms of the alleged contract, preventing the Defendant from understanding the nature of the alleged breach;

(ii) Misleads the court by presenting an incorrect version of the facts;

(iii) Creates uncertainty about the basis of the claim, particularly where the period of overstay is not specified in the PoC.

In light of the above, the Defendant respectfully requests that the court strikes out the claim pursuant to CPR 3.4(2) on the basis that:

• The statement of case discloses no reasonable grounds for bringing the claim; and

• The statement of case is an abuse of process.

5. The Defendant cites the cases of CEL v Chan 2023 [E7GM9W44] and CPMS v Akande 2024 [K0DP5J30], which are persuasive appellate decisions. In these cases, claims were struck out due to identical failures to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). Transcripts of these decisions are attached to this Defence.

Alternative Submission

6. The Defendant submits that the correct course of action is for the court to strike out the claim due to the Claimant's clear and material failure to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). The rules exist to ensure fairness, and the Claimant's non-compliance cannot be excused. The Defendant asserts that "rules are rules," and the Claimant has failed to follow them.

7. However, in the unlikely event that the court does not agree with the persuasive nature of the cited appellate decisions, the Defendant submits the following alternative:

• The court should make an order requiring the Claimant to provide the following further and better detailed particulars:

(a) Set out the specific terms of the alleged contract that were purportedly breached;

(b) Specify the precise signage locations, alleged terms and conditions displayed thereon, or details of how the alleged breach occurred;

(c) Provide attachment or details of the contract relied upon, as required by CPR PD 16.7.5;

(d) Provide particularity as to the alleged breach, including its nature, time, and location;

(e) Explain how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) Clarify whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

8. Without such particulars, the Defendant is unable to properly respond to the claim, resulting in unfairness and prejudice.

Draft Order

9. A draft order is appended to this defence, which the Defendant requests the court to consider adopting should the claim not be struck out at this stage.

Statement of Truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

CEL v Chan transcript (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nb9ypbecuurpmln00dily/CELvChan-appeal-transcript.pdf?rlkey=7mpuvpmpe45s2zbhch21om1ez&st=5735s458&dl=0)

CPMS v Akande transcript (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y631olc61z1slr6xfrdsk/CPM-v-AKANDE.pdf?rlkey=kltpojedcxiwarxr0sdfyjo05&st=4z757gg9&dl=0)

Draft Order for the defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/z8zcqfdncdoajgj4ag6a4/short-defence-order.pdf?rlkey=at98xmfwj0ehi3w9d0ia15ogp&st=saqthunn&dl=0)
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on January 26, 2025, 07:20:35 pm
Thanks so much for getting back to me, shame about the magistrate ;(

The date on the claim form is 22nd January, I submitted the AOS via Money Claim/Govt Gateway the following day after receiving the letter - 25th January. Yes CE is the claimant.  The PDF Response Pack reply I received now has the check mark in the box stating  'I intend to defend all of this claim'



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Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: b789 on January 26, 2025, 11:25:33 am
Funnily enough, the red brick building across from Costa is the county court so I could take the magistrate there should it come to that

Magistrates don't work in the county court. As this is a civil matter, not a criminal one, no magistrate would ever be involved, only a district judge, if it ever came to that.
Title: Re: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: b789 on January 26, 2025, 10:09:04 am
Lucky you. As this is a DCB Legal issued claim on behalf of Civil Enforcement (CE), if you follow the advice, this will all fizzle out when they eventually discontinue.

Any unregulated private parking company thay employs DCB Legal as their bulk litigator of choice is simply hoping that you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree and will capitulate and pay up out of ignorance and fear. That is their modus operandi.

However, I can say with a lot of experience and greater than 99% certainty, that as long as the claim is defended, they will discontinue before they have to pay the trial fee. It is good that you have those photos but it is highly unlikely you will need to use them in any Witness Statement (WS).

The alleged contravention happened in 2023. The photos of the signs are not contemporaneous so not likely to be of great use, especially as the signs now say 60 minutes, not 90 minutes.

What is the issue date of the N1SDT Claim Form? The actual date you received it is irrelevant. How did you submit your AoS? What was the actual date you submitted your AoS? What does your MCOL history say? Please confirm that Civil Enforcement Ltd is the Claimant.

Please answer these questions and if you follow our advice, you won’t be paying a penny to CE.

Title: DCB Legal Claim Form Stage for Overstay @ Costa Coffee Car Park
Post by: Pallando on January 26, 2025, 08:27:14 am
Hi All

This area of land used to be a school but on development turned into a shopping area but the car park was always free until Costa rolled up, even the signs inside the Costa itself have proven insufficient and many people have been caught out here.

The driver had not been here for a long time and thus entered the car park oblivious to the fact that is was now 'Private Land' so no signs were noticed.
No signage present where the driver alighted from the car.

The overstay was just over two hours in a 90 minute allowance.  Apparently, the car park was pretty busy so there vans, 4x4s cars etc all over, possibly obscuring the scant signage present.

I am the registered keeper, who ignored/binned all Ntks (in the hope that would work like a Parking Eye situation did in the past)

So I never denied or admitted or appealed, though I did reach out to Costa who were going to see what they could do but returned with "The landowner says no"

I also reached out to the land owner but received no reply.

Upon receiving the serious recovery letters, first from Civil Enforcement then DCB Legal I employed the 30 day 'seeking financial advice' tactic as this would have eventually put me into action around Christmas week.

Claim Form was received on Friday 24th Jan, I submitted the AOS the following day, the letter was dated 22nd Jan so by my reckoning this gives me till 24th Feb for defence submittal??

Link to photos of car park/signage and POC

https://imgur.com/a/costa-car-park-signage-II7wXIG (https://imgur.com/a/costa-car-park-signage-II7wXIG)

Google maps link to car park

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.620809,-1.56966,3a,75y,36.74h,87.31t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJ-WlldRrAykB5pFKBkWx-w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D2.6872621787873214%26panoid%3DJ-WlldRrAykB5pFKBkWx-w%26yaw%3D36.73616117611584!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D (https://www.google.com/maps/@54.620809,-1.56966,3a,75y,36.74h,87.31t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJ-WlldRrAykB5pFKBkWx-w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D2.6872621787873214%26panoid%3DJ-WlldRrAykB5pFKBkWx-w%26yaw%3D36.73616117611584!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D)

(Funnily enough, the red brick building across from Costa is the county court so I could take the magistrate there should it come to that  ;D )


Thanks in advance.