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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Gazbam71 on January 22, 2025, 06:54:49 am

Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on April 26, 2025, 01:38:08 pm
The email from dcb legal regarding the 30 day hold was dated 24 April 2025
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on April 26, 2025, 12:58:32 pm
At risk of labouring the point, note the suggested date of sending, and do not send that correspondence any earlier!
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on April 26, 2025, 12:05:10 pm
Hilarious. I suggest you send the following email to DCB Legal and copy in G24 on or after 5th May (not before):

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To: info@dcblegal.co.uk
CC: info@g24.co.uk

Subject: Final Response

Dear DCB Legal,

I refer to your recent correspondence, including your without prejudice settlement offer and your subsequent comments regarding the alleged debt.

It is now the case that every parking charge notice to which your Letter of Claim dated 13th March 2025 referred is statute-barred under Section 5 of the Limitation Act 1980. There is no longer any legal basis upon which you, or your client, can issue a claim or seek to enforce any of these alleged debts through the courts.

Your attempts to solicit payment despite this are entirely without merit and should now cease. Any further demands for payment or threats of legal action will be treated as harassment and reported accordingly.

G24 Parking Ltd is also copied into this response and may wish to reflect on how what was initially presented as a potential claim for a substantial sum has been reduced to a desperate and unenforceable position, due entirely to the incompetence of their instructed representatives.

No further correspondence will be entered into.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on April 26, 2025, 10:25:35 am
I'm sure they would be agreeable to £360, given that it's £360 more than they're now able to claim for  ::)

What was the date of the email where they said they're putting the matter on hold?
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on April 26, 2025, 09:24:15 am
Dear Gary Owen, 

 

We write further to correspondence issued from our office dated 24th April 2025. 

 

Upon further review of this matter with our client, I can confirm that our client would be agreeable to settle this matter in the parameters outlined below. 

 

 

WITHOUT PREJUDICE 

 

In relation to the above matter.

 

   

I can confirm our Client would be agreeable to £360.00 in full and final settlement of this Claim. The current outstanding balance is £1020.00.

   

 

Should you be agreeable to this offer, please confirm the same within 7 days. Payment can be made via our website www.dcblegal.co.uk, by calling our office on 0203 838 7038 or via bank transfer:    

   

 

   

Account Name: DCB Legal Ltd Client Account   

   

Sort Code: 20-24-09

   

Account no: 60964441  

 

 

    

When making payment please ensure you include the following reference number, 121960.9282D, to enable us to allocate it to the correct case.  

 

  

   

If you are not agreeable, we may continue to follow the Court process as normal. 

You must quote the correct case reference (121960.9282D) when making payment. If you do not, we may be unable to correctly allocate the payment. If further action is taken by us as a result of an incorrect reference being quoted, you will be liable for any further fees or costs incurred.

 

 

We would ask that you kindly furnish us with your most up to date telephone number and email address, this can be emailed to us at info@dcblegal.co.uk. 

 

 

Alternatively, you can contact DCB Legal Ltd on 0203 838 7038 to make payment over the telephone or online at https://dcblegal.co.uk/response/pay-online/.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on April 26, 2025, 09:22:04 am
I have received the following email from dcb legal along with another i will post shortly.

September 2020, confirmed that parking charge notices falls out of the scope of VAT. There is no requirement for a VAT invoice to be issued to you.           

     

Further to the above, in accordance with the appeal decision made on 29th July 2020 in Britannia Parking Group Ltd v Semark-Julien [2020] EW Mis 12 (CC), it is not correct to propose this claim should be struck out as an ‘abuse of process’ due to the contractual costs claimed.           

 

 

In addition to the afore, the sum added is a contribution to the actual costs incurred by our Client as a result of your non-payment. Our Client’s employees have spent time and material attempting to recover the debt. This is not our Client’s usual business and the resources could have been better spent in other areas of the business. Had you of paid as per the Contract, there would have been no need for recovery action so the amount due would not have increased.

 

 

With reference to the above, this parking charge is being pleaded as a breach of contract to which damages are payable in light of the matters raised in this correspondence.       

       

   

Pursuing a legally owed debt is not harassment. You may wish to seek independent legal advice in this regard. Our client pursuing this matter through the Small Claims Court is the correct course of action.   

 

 

 

DCB Legal have been instructed as all previous attempts to resolve the matter have been unsuccessful.   

 

 

 As per your request, your file is now on hold for 30 days from the date of this email, as per your request, to allow you time to seek your own independent legal advice.

 

 

You now have 30 days from the date of this email to make payment of £1020.00. Failure to make payment will result in a Claim being issued against you without any further reference.

 

 

Payment can be made via bank transfer to our designated client account: -

 

 

Account Name: DCB Legal Ltd Client Account   
Sort Code: 20-24-09   
Account Number: 60964441
 

You must quote the correct case reference (121960.9282D) when making payment. If you do not, we may be unable to correctly allocate the payment. If further action is taken by us as a result of an incorrect reference being quoted, you will be liable for any further fees or costs incurred.

 

 

We would ask that you kindly furnish us with your most up to date telephone number and email address, this can be emailed to us at info@dcblegal.co.uk.

 

 

Alternatively, you can contact DCB Legal Ltd on 0203 838 7038 to make payment over the telephone or online at https://dcblegal.co.uk/response/pay-online/.


Kind Regards,

 

Isabel Mwamba

Administration Associate

DCB Legal Ltd 

 

Tel: 0203 434 0433 | DX 23457 Runcorn
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on April 20, 2025, 09:52:36 am
Quite a spectacular own goal from them given the amount at stake. The mind boggles.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on April 20, 2025, 06:23:06 am
Let’s remind ourselves what this was all about. This case originally concerned a potential claim for £6,290, based on 37 PCNs issued by G24 in late 2018 and early 2019. DCB Legal were instructed to pursue these on behalf of G24, but through a combination of delays and poor case management, the vast majority of those PCNs quietly became statute-barred under the Limitation Act 1980.

By the time DCB Legal finally issued a Letter of Claim on 13th March 2025, only six PCNs remained within the six-year limitation period. Despite this, they attempted to claim a grossly inflated sum of £1,020, well above the £600 that would be due if each PCN were pursued at its original £100 level. This increase was due to the addition of unlawful “debt recovery” charges—something which has repeatedly been criticised by both the courts and the Government.

On 7th April 2025, a holding letter was sent in full accordance with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, confirming that the recipient was seeking debt advice. That letter imposed a lawful 30-day moratorium on any court proceedings, which DCB Legal must observe. Crucially, the last of the six PCNs will become statute-barred on 4th May 2025—three days before DCB Legal is legally permitted to issue any claim.

As of now, the limitation period has not yet expired—but DCB Legal are prohibited from issuing proceedings due to the lawful hold that is in place. Once that hold lifts on 7th May, they will be permanently out of time.

This entire outcome is a direct result of DCB Legal’s incompetence. Their client, G24, had issued all 37 PCNs back in 2018/2019 and would have been in possession of the relevant records throughout. It was DCB Legal’s responsibility, as their instructed legal representatives, to assess the portfolio and take timely action. Instead, they delayed so extensively that by the time they finally issued a Letter of Claim in March 2025, only six PCNs were still within the limitation period. And now, having received a properly timed 30-day debt advice hold request, they are legally prevented from issuing any claim until after those remaining six PCNs become statute-barred. What could have been a £6,290 claim is now unenforceable in its entirety—simply because DCB Legal failed to act within the most basic legal time limits.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on April 19, 2025, 07:46:36 pm
I haven't had a reply to any of the emails or letters that I sent. If the charges have expired I'm assuming they won't contact me.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on April 19, 2025, 06:35:09 pm
That sounds positive.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on April 19, 2025, 05:05:32 pm
I did everything as requested and as of yet not heard anything from them .
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on April 19, 2025, 04:49:21 pm
So, how have you got on with this?
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on March 20, 2025, 10:08:24 am
I have put a reminder in my phone, it's marked on the calendar and it's also in my diary. On my return home I shall compose the email and save to drafts.
Thanks
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on March 20, 2025, 10:06:37 am
The dates above are very important. For the 'debt advice' letter, a hard copy sent by 1st class post from a Post office on Friday 4th April, and a copy sent by email to info@dcblegal.co.uk (info@dcblegal.co.uk) on Monday 7th April.

I realise I'm labouring the point, but getting the dates right is the key to success in this case.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on March 20, 2025, 09:43:27 am
It was sent by post. 
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on March 20, 2025, 09:42:17 am
Why haven't you answered all my questions? You really must pay more attention to the advice and questions being asked.

Was this letter (LoC) received by email or by post?

In the meantime... send the following as a PDF attachment in an email to DCB Legal at info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself:

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Subject: Response to Letter of Claim – Request for Full Breakdown of Alleged Debt

DCB Legal
Direct House
Greenwood Drive
Manor Park
Runcorn
WA7 1UG

By email to: info@dcblegal.co.uk

[Date]


Dear DCB Legal,

I refer to your Letter of Claim dated 13th March 2025. Your ref: [Their ref number]

I note that you have simply listed six alleged PCNs by date, along with an undisclosed breakdown of a total of £1,020. This fails to comply with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (PAPDC), which requires you to provide a clear and detailed explanation of how the alleged sum has been calculated.

Before I consider my position, I require specific answers to the following questions:

1. A full breakdown of the sum claimed, including:

• The original amount of each Parking Charge Notice (PCN).
• Any additional charges applied, including but not limited to "Debt Recovery" fees or "Damages" per PCN.
• Does any additional sum represent what you describe as a “Debt Recovery costs” and if so, is this figure net of or inclusive of VAT? If inclusive, I trust you will explain why I, as the alleged debtor, am being asked to cover your client’s VAT liability.
• Whether interest has been added, and if so, from precisely what date for each PCN.

2. Confirmation as to whether the principal sum of each PCN is being claimed as:

• Damages for breach of contract, or
• Consideration for a purported parking contract?

3. If the additional sums exceed the original £100 per PCN, please explain how you or your client justifies these charges in light of the Court of Appeal ruling in Excel Parking v Wilkinson [2022] (G4QZ465V), where the court confirmed that "Debt Recovery" uplifts were an abuse of process?

I would caution both you and your client against simply dismissing these questions with vague or boilerplate responses, as I am fully aware of the implications. By claiming that PCNs are exempt from VAT while simultaneously inflating the debt recovery element, your client – with your assistance – appears to be evading VAT obligations due to HMRC. Such mendacious conduct raises serious questions about the legality and ethics of your practices.

I strongly advise your client to cease and desist. Should this matter proceed to court, you can be assured that these issues will be brought to the court’s attention, alongside a robust defence and potentially a counterclaim for unreasonable conduct.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]

You can send the above letter now. However, keep this date in your diary, Monday 7th April, as I will provide you with a debt advice holding letter which must be sent to DCB Legal as a PDF attachment in an email on that date. No earlier or later.

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Subject: Response to Letter of Claim – Request for 30-Day Hold for Debt Advice

DCB Legal
Direct House
Greenwood Drive
Manor Park
Runcorn
WA7 1UG

By email to: info@dcblegal.co.uk

7th April 2025


Dear DCB Legal,

Re: Letter of Claim dated 13th March 2025 – Reference [Your Reference Number]

I have already acknowledge receipt of your Letter of Claim dated 13th March 2025 regarding the alleged outstanding balance of £1,020.00.

I am currently seeking independent debt advice and, as per the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, I formally request that you place this matter on hold for a minimum period of 30 days from the date of this letter to allow me sufficient time to obtain advice.

Please confirm in writing that you have placed this matter on hold for 30 days.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[Your Email]

You absolutely must not send this earlier than the 7th April and certainly no later than 16th April. Make absolutely sure that you email it to info@dcblegal.co.uk and that you CC in yourself. However, as you seem to not always fully read the advice and instructions/questions, I need you to confirm that you have 7th April marked in your diary with reminder to send this holding letter on this date.

I would further advise you to send a hard copy of the letter by first class post with a free proof of posting certificate from any post office on Friday 4th April. Whilst not absolutely necessary, it does provide a back up just in case they try to claim that they never received the email with the 30 day hold request and issue a claim anyway. Do not put it past these scammers to try and do so.

If you follow the advice, then that will be it. They will be statute barred from being able to issue a county court claim for any of the 28 PCNs that were outstanding.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on March 20, 2025, 04:12:24 am
Sorry it was printed on the reverse side.
I've attached a photo.
It was received by post.

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Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on March 20, 2025, 12:30:07 am
When you’ve answered my questions above, I will provide you with a draft letter that you will send as a pdf attachment in an email to DCB Legal. The date I tell you to send that email is critical and you must not send it any earlier.

You will have to make a note in your diary to remind you of the date it MUST be sent on. There can be no excuse for sending it earlier or later than the day I will give you. Most email agents have a function where you can delay the sending of an email to a specified date.

If you can figure out how to do so with your email agent, let me know once you’ve answered 5he questions posed in my previous post.

If you follow the advice, not only will you have avoided being sued for any of those PCNs, but you will also be able to enjoy the Schadenfreude of knowing that the incompetents at DCB Legal will be kicking themselves for having blown the opportunity to make a claim and, if I were G24, I’d also be kicking up a great fuss over DCB Legal’s utter incompetence in recovering all that money they claim you were in debt to them.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on March 19, 2025, 11:47:06 pm
Does it mention those dates anywhere in the LoC you received? We need ALL the information, especially ALL dates and times in any correspondence from DCB Legal.

I do not see any mention of any dates for outstanding PCNs in that letter you have shown us. We do not need to see any of the forms they may have sent you but we need to see anything that references the dates of any supposedly outstanding PCNs.

Was this letter received by email or by post?
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on March 19, 2025, 08:26:38 pm
They are now saying it's £1020.00 owing with the following dates.
23/04/ 2019
27/04/ 2019
30/ 04/ 2019
02/ 05/2019
03/05/2019
04/ 05/ 2019
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on March 19, 2025, 06:06:56 pm
Thanks, it was hastily posted as its only just arrived. Thanks for that. 
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on March 19, 2025, 05:54:54 pm
Here's a version without your full name and home address visible...

(https://i.imgur.com/uVP8cjy.jpeg)
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on March 19, 2025, 05:40:19 pm
This has arrived from dcb legal this morning.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on March 05, 2025, 04:17:16 pm
I never answered or replied to anything other than what I've been advised . As always thanks for the help.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on March 05, 2025, 12:35:15 pm
You have been told to completely disregard anything to do with DCBL. We are not interested in that powerless company and neither should you be. Ignore them.

The only company you are interested in right now is DCB Legal. As today is the 5th March, have you received a physical LoC from them, or anyone, regarding these unpaid PCNs? If not, then they are now too late to issue a claim on any of them.

They cannot issue a claim until they have gone through the PAP and issued an LoC. If they had issued an LoC, they had to give you a minimum of 30 days to respond to it before issuing a claim.

If they had issued an LoC, all you had to do was respond on day 29 telling them that you require an additional 30 days as you are seeking debt advice, and they are legally required to give you this. The additional 30 days would have taken them past the statute of limitations on being able to make a court claim against the PCNs.

So, no matter what they do from this moment on, they cannot recover any alleged debt on those PCNs. Do not answer any calls from DCB Legal. If they write or email you, show us before you try to do anything.

Any response to DCB Legal or G24 will inform them to refer to the answer given in Arkell v Pressdram (1971).
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on March 05, 2025, 10:42:16 am
Just an update. I had a missed call from dcbl yesterday and as of yet not received anything through the post or by email from them since the last letter they sent out. .
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on February 17, 2025, 08:19:42 pm
Thanks for that b789. I hadn't realised the reply was from yourself as my phone had a screen issue. I appreciate all of your help and advice.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on February 17, 2025, 08:16:30 pm
They sent the NTO to my previous address . So I took the advice on here to issue a DRN to them . They then asked for bills and a photo I.d. for evidence. I refused and sent them a copy of the dcbl letter issued to me. They have now responded that they have erased the other address.
I know it's not dcbl legal but just keeping the post upto date.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on February 17, 2025, 07:57:06 pm
What exactly do you mean by "G24 have responded to the DRN and corrected all the data." What exactly have they "corrected"?

DCBL is not DCB Legal. What you have shown us is simply another useless debt collector letter. Ignore it.

Remember, when DCB Legal send an actual LoC, you will then have 30 days to respond and by responding on the last day with a request for an obligatory additional 30 days to seek debt advice, they cannot issue a claim until that deadline has passed. So, even if they were to send an LoC tomorrow, they could not issue a claim before Monday 21st April, which would limit them to claiming for only 6 remaining PCNs.

If no LoC is issued before Tuesday 4th March, then every one of those PCNs will be statute-barred and you will be home dry!
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on February 17, 2025, 07:19:38 pm
G24 have responded to the DRN and corrected all the data.
I have received this over the weekend so I'm assuming it's still not gone to DCBL legal.

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Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 28, 2025, 01:13:54 pm
Thanks for that. I will do exactly that.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on January 27, 2025, 09:07:21 pm
Actually, in this case b789 makes a good point, there's unusually advantage in stringing things out.

In most cases with correspondence with an organisation's data protection officer, the pragmatic priority is getting them to action whatever request you want them to action - proving you're smarter than them is of little benefit if the result is a CCJ in default. But in this case, another week of faffing about is another week closer to a timeout.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on January 27, 2025, 08:59:47 pm
Do not rush to respond. Remember, delaying tactics are to your advantage. They need no other proof of identity and address except a copy of the letter sent by DCBL to the correct address. How else would the Keeper have that?

Wait about a week to ten days and then send the following to the DPO:

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Subject: Immediate Rectification Required – Breach of Data Protection Obligations

Dear Data Protection Officer,

I am writing in response to your excessive and unjustified request for sensitive personal documents regarding my Data Rectification Notice (DRN). The only relevant evidence you require is the copy of the Debt Recovery Agent (DRA) letter from DCBL that was sent to the correct address. As the Keeper, my possession of this letter is sufficient proof of both my identity and the correct address.

Your demand for photo identification and financial documents is wholly unnecessary, disproportionate, and a clear contravention of the principles set out in the UK GDPR. Specifically:

• Article 5(1)(c) – Data processing must be adequate, relevant, and limited to what is necessary. Your request blatantly exceeds this standard.

• Article 16 – Data subjects have the right to rectification of inaccurate or outdated data without undue burden or delay.

Should you fail to update your records and erase the outdated address, or attempt to initiate litigation to the incorrect address for service despite being informed of the correct address via my DRN, I will not hesitate to take legal action. Should you obtain a default County Court Judgment (CCJ) due to serving a claim at an address you have been expressly notified is incorrect, I will use your unreasonable behaviour as evidence in a counterclaim for damages.

Additionally, I will:

1. Report your breach to the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO);

2. Escalate a formal complaint to your Accredited Trade Association (ATA);

3. Notify the DVLA of your failure to comply with data protection laws, potentially jeopardising your access to Keeper data.

This is your final opportunity to comply promptly with the law and my request. I expect confirmation that my records have been updated and the old address erased within seven (7) days. No further communication will be entertained beyond this timeframe.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Full Name]
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 27, 2025, 07:17:57 pm
Thanks. I'll do that and see what they come back with.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on January 27, 2025, 07:06:58 pm
There is no need for them to see your photo - they don't know what you look like, so it won't support their goal of verifying they have the right data subject.

They do however need to verify you are the right data subject, so I would send them copies of the requested documentation with the photo blocked out and any superfluous data redacted.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 27, 2025, 07:04:46 pm
The reply to the drn. Is this normal before I send the proof of address ?

In order to process your request to change your address, please provide a form of photo ID, such as your passport or driving licence as well as a copy of one of the following documents

 

Utility Bill, issued in the last 3 months
Bank Statement, issues in the last 3 months
Credit Card Statement, issued in the last 3 months
Mortgage Statement, issues in the last 3 months
 

Once we received this information, we will update our records.

 

Yours Sincerely
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 26, 2025, 02:22:13 pm
Ok. I will wait and post when I recieve anything from them.
Your help is much appreciated. 
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on January 26, 2025, 02:04:33 pm
In other words, if they haven't issued a Letter of Claim by 5th March, they won't be able to sue on any of those PCNs.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: H C Andersen on January 26, 2025, 01:23:47 pm
OP, the issue of the 6-year limit to bring proceedings in such cases is set out in legislation and has nothing to do with parking:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/58/section/5

'Simple contract' = 6 years from the date of the breach.

I think the maths has already been done by other posters in that if the dates are dates of contraventions then only 8 could be in play even now. But if they are dates of PCNs(with obviously earlier dates of breach) then it's less than 8.

If you have notified G24 regarding your data then there is nothing to do except wait. 
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 26, 2025, 01:10:10 pm
I asked if the dates where date of issue but they've not answered that just replied with pay up basically. 
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on January 26, 2025, 09:01:51 am
And what about this question?

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Why do DCBL, a useless and powerless debt collector say that "we write further to your email"?????
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 25, 2025, 04:08:03 pm
I've sent it to the dpo . I'm just keeping everyone updated with what I receive
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on January 25, 2025, 01:03:39 pm
Who did you send th DRN to? You were specifically advised to send it to the DPO at G24. Why do DCBL, a useless and powerless debt collector say that "we write further to your email"?????

This is the email address of the G24 DPO as stated in their Privacy policy on their website:

https://g24.co.uk/privacy-notice/

DCBL are powerless to do anything. You can ignore anything that DCBL send you. Do not engage with the useless and powerless DCBL. They are not a party to any contract allegedly breached by the driver.

We only need to know when an LoC is issued by G24 or, more likely through their solicitor, DCB Legal (not DCBL).
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 25, 2025, 12:33:55 pm
The DRN has been sent and I've copied the latest email from dcbl.

DCBL write further to your email.

 

We are instructed by G24 Ltd, to recover the outstanding balance of thirty-seven(37) PCN’s, reference, 3830036-MULTI.

 

At the time of the contraventions, G24 Ltd applied to the DVLA for the details of the Registered Keeper of the Vehicle. Your name and address were provided. G24 Ltd therefore issued correspondence to you at that address. It is your responsibility, as the Registered Keeper, to ensure the DVLA is kept up to date with your current address or change of keeper details at all times.

 

Payment of £6,290.00 is required to prevent further action. Payment can be made via bank transfer using the following payment details:

 
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on January 24, 2025, 11:50:11 am
Once you've emailed the DRN to G24, there is not much else you can do until you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC). If/when that arrives we move on to the delaying tactics.

AS I mentioned, we don't know if the dates of the PCNs relate to the issue date of the PCN or the date of the alleged contravention. I suspect they will be the issue date which means that the contraventions were several days earlier and that is beneficial as it means less PCNs that can be claimed on by G24.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 23, 2025, 10:52:15 pm
Thank you. 
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on January 23, 2025, 10:40:24 pm
https://g24.co.uk/privacy-notice/ (https://g24.co.uk/privacy-notice/)
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 23, 2025, 10:11:43 pm
I'm doing that once I find the correct email for them . They just have a general email on the Internet so I was looking to see if they had another.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on January 23, 2025, 10:04:56 pm
And have you now sent the data rectification notice to G24?
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 23, 2025, 10:02:44 pm
As requested

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Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on January 23, 2025, 09:44:21 pm
Please show us the letter.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 23, 2025, 09:37:51 pm
The first letter from DCBL was dated 26 November 2024.
I rang immediately because I initially thought it was a scam as I did not recognise the reg plate
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on January 23, 2025, 09:24:03 am
We don’t know if those are “issue date” of the PCNs or the alleged “contravention date”.

Show us the letter that accompanied the list of all the outstanding PCNs.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on January 23, 2025, 08:21:02 am
If what you've received so far is not a Letter of Claim, I'm not sure we need to know the date you received the most recent letter.

Your priority for now is sorting out the Data Rectification Notice.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 23, 2025, 08:18:07 am
I can get the original date of first contact from the letter when I get home.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on January 23, 2025, 08:16:46 am
On that basis, given the dates, it's likely that we can ensure that they are only able to claim for a maximum of 8 of these. And that's based on the pessimistic assumption that you receive a Letter of Claim soon (although we should probably work off that assumption, as all parties will be aware of the relevant dates).

Have you sent a DRN?
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 23, 2025, 08:06:49 am
The dates are.
10/1/19
11/1/19
13/1/19
19/1/19
16/2/19
18/2/19
19/2/19
20/2/19
21/2/19
22/2/19
25/2/19
26/2/19
1/3/19
2/3/19
4/3/19
5/3/19
7/3/19
8/3/19
9/3/19
11/3/19
12/3/19
14/3/19
15/3/19
16/3/19
18/3/19
19/3/19
22/3/19
23/3/19
24/3/19
26/3/19
27/3/19
23/4/19
27/4/19
30/4/19
2/5/19
3/5/19
4/5/19
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on January 22, 2025, 11:33:11 pm
Apologies for not getting back earlier. However, you’ve received some good advice already.

The debt collector stage that you’re at right now is not concerning. In fact it is good.

As pointed out, there is a 6 year statute of limitation for civil claims in England. That statute runs from the date of the alleged contravention, not from the date the PCN was issued.

Even if any PCN was actioned on today, they would have to issue a Letter of Claim (LoC) which must give you 30 days to pay or respond. If you respond on day 29 with a request for another 30 days to allow you to seek debt advice, they are obliged to delay initiating any claim by that period.

So, even if they issued an LoC tomorrow, 23rd January and you follow the advice, they would only be able to claim for PCNs issued after 23rd March 2019. So, for now, you only need to be concerned about PCNs for alleged contraventions after that date and for every extra day you don’t receive an LoC, you can extend the date they cannot issue a claim for the PCNs.

Right now we do not know whether the PCNs that you may be liable for are PoFA compliant, especially from 6 years ago when a lot of these parking companies were not as switched on.

Apart from the DRN, I would not do anything else unless an LoC is received. Once that stage is reached, we will have a better idea of how many PCNs you are potentially dealing with. When responding to the LoC on day 29, you can request evidence of the NtKs and that will then give us a better idea of where you stand as far as defending any potential claim.

One thing is sure, if they use DCB Legal as their bulk litigator, there will be serious flaws in any Particulars of Claim (PoC) which can be exploited.

It would be useful if you could list all the PCNs that pertain to contraventions (not the issue date of the NtK) after 23rd March 2019 to get a better idea of how big a claim they are able to make should they actually progress it that far.

Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: H C Andersen on January 22, 2025, 10:42:34 pm
I like to clear the decks:

The driver is liable for the charges, but can only be pursued if the creditor knows their details. You aren't going to tell them, so put her mind at rest. Whether you may be pursued in lieu for the alleged debts is a matter of fact and law e.g. were you the registered keeper at the times and has the creditor complied with the mandatory requirements of the applicable parts of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 etc.

The cumulative situation arose because you failed to update DVLA in a timely manner when you moved. As this database is used by all private operators and public authorities you might consider that you've been fortunate that only this creditor is pursuing you.



As posted, there's a 6-year limit(ceiling, not floor) on pursuing claims for simple contract disputes(IMO there are no extenuating circumstances which the creditor may claim given that your correct address appears to have been available since May 2019*). You can do the maths. IMO, engaging in procedural prevarication is your aim to do which you need to keep on top of all correspondence the precursor to which is getting your correct address in the frame as advised.

'Notification of debt recovery' isn't even a recognised procedural stage in proceedings, so in practical terms even now IMO you could forget about any claim earlier than April 2019.

Out of interest, did you update the V5C in your name before you disposed of the car?

Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on January 22, 2025, 10:04:47 pm
The first thing you must do, immediately, is send a Data Rectification Notice (DRN) to the G24 DPO instructing them to update their records with your (the Keeper) current address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason and you must use them.
The very first thing you should do is the above.

Some good news amongst all the misfortune - the parking company have up to 6 years from the date of each parking claim to sue for the charge. So the one issued 10/01/2019 is already time-barred, so that's at least 1 they cannot recover. Any others that reach the 6 year mark before a claim is filed will equally not be recoverable.

In that regard, it is positive that it is still at the debt recovery stage. If they want to sue, they'll need to pass the matter onto DCB Legal (similar name, same folks, but different company to DCBL), who will need to issue a Letter of Claim, and give you time to reply before filing a claim. Let us know as soon as you get such a letter. You'll need to respond to this, but the fact they need to allow for a response allows us to delay matters slightly, which will mean that a few more of the charges will potentially become time-barred. This is obviously not a solution - but the fewer charges that are in play, the less severe the costs if the matter were to go to a hearing and you were to lose.

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Can I request a photo of the vehicle entering the car park
I'm not sure what this will achieve - you seem to accept the vehicle was there.

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My partner is also willing to confess she was the driver.
Don't do anything yet, but thinking aloud, this could potentially be used tactically, depending on how quick DCB Legal are in getting involved. It would potentially make your girlfriend the defendant rather than you, which I realise you may be keen to avoid, but they'd then have to follow the pre-action protocol with her too, and by the time they got to being able to issue a claim, such time may have passed that the number of charges they'd be able to claim for would be greatly reduced. I'm not suggesting taking that course of action, but it's one to bear in mind as we see how things play out.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 22, 2025, 07:31:25 pm
There are 37 charges that have only come to light through DCBL.
These date from 10/1/19 through to 4/5/19.
I moved house  approximately November 2018. The v5 was unbelievably changed on 5/5/2019 yes the day after the last charge.
Can I request a photo of the vehicle entering the car park as dcbl clearly know what car it is down to the fact it's white with a black roof. Dvla only state it's white.
If it's a forward facing camera it will be clear it's a female. My partner is also willing to confess she was the driver. It's completely genuine. She did it to commute on the train.
This is causing all sorts of stress , especially to her and she has enough to deal with.
Is there an out of time appeal to get the original tickets?
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: b789 on January 22, 2025, 10:02:59 am
The first thing you must do, immediately, is send a Data Rectification Notice (DRN) to the G24 DPO instructing them to update their records with your (the Keeper) current address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason and you must use them.

Even if the debt collectors have now found your current address, you can guarantee that if G24 hold two possible addressed for you, hey will use the wrong one and you will get a CCJ by default. So, first priority, DRN.

It doesn’t matter if you were not the driver if the Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) were fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA because they can then hold the Keeper liable if the drivers identity is unknown. Without seeing the postal Notice to Keeper (NtK), it is not possible to know for sure.

One thing is for sure, they are going to litigate over this because it is a fat juicy sum and they are rubbing their hands with glee over the prospect of suing you for the prospective amount. The only thing they cannot include in the amount they claim is the added fake £70 per PCN which most judges would never allow.

There are some steps that can be taken now, besides the urgent need to send a DRN. Unfortunately, I’m doing this on an iPad right now and I need to be sitting at my computer to be able to assist properly. I will get back to you within the next few hours with some further advice on how to move forward with this.
Title: Re: G24 / DCBL
Post by: DWMB2 on January 22, 2025, 09:58:49 am
Firstly, I'm very sorry to hear about your girlfriend's illness - I hope you're both coping as well as you can in the circumstances.

It would be useful to confirm a timeline of what happened when, and get some clarity here. As a starting point:

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However I was not the driver of the vehicle and can prove this
Whether you were the driver may be relevant, but it depends if G24 complied with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 - if they did, then they can seek to recover the charges from you as the registered keeper. The issue is we don't have access to the original notices to check.

Can you also tell us exactly how many charges are in play here? From the images you've uploaded (2 are identical), it looks like 28. If you've missed any off, show us, as the dates may be relevant as some are getting close to the 6 year cut off for debt claims.
Title: G24 / DCBL
Post by: Gazbam71 on January 22, 2025, 06:54:49 am
I have received notification of debt recovery from DCBL for multiple parking charges dated back to 2019. I at no point have received the initial charges due to a house move before the date and an error with the log book.
I gifted the vehicle in question to my girlfriend who does not reside with me. They have eventually found me at my current address.
Had I known about the initial charge it would of been paid and that would of been the end of the matter.
I'm not denying the idiot has parked there and used it for work. However I was not the driver of the vehicle and can prove this as my Google timeline puts me in different locations throught the northwest. Surely even g24 and dcbl must realise that over 30 charges unpaid is highly suspicious.
The problem is now my girlfriend has stage 4 cancer and I'm trying to protect her from this.
DCBL are now recommending legal action and I need to avoid a ccj as it can affect my motor trade insurance. 
Can anyone give me any advice ? Even if there's a way of applying for an out of time appeal to roll back the charges to the initial notification.
Regards
Gary.

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