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Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: b789 on September 27, 2025, 12:08:27 pm
Reply by email to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and CC yourself with the following:

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Subject: Response to your Letter of Claim Ref: [reference number]

Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of the evidence your client places reliance upon, putting it in clear breach of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

As a supposed firm of solicitors, one would expect you to comply with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions exist to facilitate informed discussion and proportionate resolution. You may wish to reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), require the exchange of sufficient information to understand each other’s position. Part 6 clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.

Your template letter refers to a “contract” yet encloses none. That omission undermines the only foundation upon which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It is not possible to engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue while you decline to furnish the very document you purport to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with para 3.1(a), I shall seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required. Accordingly, please provide:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) and any notice chain relied upon to assert PoFA 2012 liability.

2. A copy of the contract you allege exists between your client and the driver, being an actual photograph of the sign(s) in place on the material date (not a stock image), together with a site plan showing the sign locations.

3. The precise wording of the clause(s) allegedly breached.

4. The written agreement between your client and the landowner evidencing standing/authority to enforce and to litigate.

5. A breakdown of the sums claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and whether the £70 “debt recovery” add-on includes VAT.


I am entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction, and I require it to meet my own obligation under paragraph 6(b).

If you fail to provide the above, I will treat that as non-compliance with the PAPDC and Pre-Action Conduct and will raise a formal complaint to the SRA regarding your conduct. I reserve the right to place this correspondence before the Court and to seek appropriate sanctions and costs (including, where appropriate, a stay and/or other case management orders).

Until your client complies and provides the requested material, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim or to consider my position. It would be premature and a waste of costs and court time to issue proceedings. Should you do so, I will seek immediate case management relief pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order compelling provision of the above.

Please note, I will not engage with any web portal; I will only respond by email or post.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: jfollows on September 27, 2025, 11:27:45 am
For example, see https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/letter-before-claim-moorside-legal-7650/msg85407/#msg85407

The letter you have received contains the square root of bugger all, really, and needs a response along similar lines.
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: swooph on September 26, 2025, 06:06:24 pm
Hi all, it's been a while, as you can see.  We stopped hearing from the collector and now have a "legal" letter

see below

as ever, very grateful for any advice

thank you
(https://i.postimg.cc/p90G17vf/P-PCN1-edited.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p90G17vf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/f3H2gFsC/P-PCN2-edited.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3H2gFsC)
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: b789 on May 07, 2025, 09:11:12 pm
You can safely ignore all debt recovery letters. Debt collectors such as Trace are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. Never, ever communicate with a powerless debt collector.

We don’t need to see or know about debt recovery letters and you can shred them and use it as hamster bedding.
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: swooph on May 07, 2025, 08:07:51 pm
So, some updates:

The level 2 complaint was sent in as advised and an auto reponse was received on 9th April (aiming to priovide response in ten days etc)

then another email from DVLA arrived on 2nd May - attached below (mentioning complexity of the case, requirign more time etc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2112FX7F/0400290-K4-R4-D-reply-from-2nd-complaint-dvla-more-time-needed.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2112FX7F)

then today, this, in the post.

(https://i.postimg.cc/kVdK6j15/Whats-App-Image-2025-05-07-at-19-42-47-aa8b84a1-debt-management-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kVdK6j15)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yJX9FFty/Whats-App-Image-2025-05-07-at-19-54-39-3bf653ec-debt-manament-back.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yJX9FFty)


This one is a little threatening, the money is going up and debt collectors are involved.

Naturally getting slightly worried etc, which is, i'm sure the intent.

Any help, clearly, very much appreciated at this point.

Thank you all
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: b789 on April 09, 2025, 05:43:49 pm
Ignore the reminder.
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: swooph on April 09, 2025, 04:35:38 pm
You make a level 2 complaint in the same way as the original but you access it here:

https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/head-of-complaints

Thank you for the clarification, escalation sent to DVLA.

Also, this arrived today

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Best
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: b789 on April 09, 2025, 09:21:59 am
You make a level 2 complaint in the same way as the original but you access it here:

https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/head-of-complaints
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: swooph on April 08, 2025, 07:48:53 pm
thank you

shall i make a new page1 to the pdf and upload this includeing all the previous contact?  or should this reply just going into the text box they provide on the DVLA site?

Best
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: b789 on April 06, 2025, 11:57:42 am
Given the content of that response, a Step 2 escalation is warranted in order to challenge their interpretation of "reasonable cause" and their failure to address the key issues raised regarding data minimisation, KADOE misuse, and non-compliance with the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP).

I suggest a response as follows:

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FORMAL COMPLAINT – STEP 2 ESCALATION

Misuse of DVLA Keeper Data by Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd (PCM)

To: DVLA Data Assurance Team – Step 2 Complaints

[Insert Date]

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to escalate my formal complaint regarding the improper KADOE data request made by Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd (PCM), which was inadequately addressed in your Step 1 response dated [insert date].

Summary of Step 1 Response

Your reply, signed by Mrs L J Mallabum, claims that PCM had "reasonable cause" to request my data because I did not identify the driver in my appeal, and that Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) does not prevent access to DVLA data if the operator decides to pursue under the pre-PoFA common law position.

With respect, this reply fails to address the crux of my complaint: PCM already possessed the very same keeper data they subsequently requested from the DVLA, which means the KADOE access served no necessary or proportionate purpose. This is not a question of PoFA compliance, but of unlawful duplicate data acquisition contrary to both:

• the KADOE Contract, which only permits data requests when “necessary for the purpose of enforcing an unpaid parking charge,” and
• the UK General Data Protection Regulation (UK GDPR), Article 5(1)(c), which mandates the principle of data minimisation.

Misrepresentation of Appeal Rights

Your response accepts PCM’s explanation that only the driver could appeal following a Notice to Driver (NtD). This is incorrect and misrepresents the position under both the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) and prior BPA/IPC guidance. A representation made by a registered keeper is a valid appeal, and an ATA member must consider it fairly.

It is concerning that the DVLA accepts as “reasonable cause” a request for personal data based on a process that was itself unfair, obstructive, and non-compliant. PCM’s refusal to consider a valid appeal submitted by the registered keeper does not give rise to a legitimate need to request the same keeper data already held.

No Enforcement Purpose Satisfied

Your reply focuses on the theoretical right of an operator to pursue a charge outside of PoFA if the NtK is not served within 14 days. However, this point is irrelevant because:

1. PCM already had my name and address, willingly provided by me in a valid appeal.
2. There was no enforcement need or lawful basis for a duplicate acquisition of identical data via KADOE.
3. The DVLA’s own contract prohibits data requests unless strict necessity for enforcement is established.

The issuing of a Notice to Keeper to a party who has already submitted all required information voluntarily is not an enforcement activity. It is an administrative duplication used solely to bypass the appeal stage and continue the PCN process, in direct conflict with the expectations of fair processing.

Relief Sought

I respectfully request the following:

1. A proper review of whether PCM’s KADOE request complied with the necessity threshold in the KADOE contract and data minimisation under UK GDPR;
2. Confirmation of whether DVLA agrees that operators may request keeper data even when they already hold that same data, and if so, the legal basis under the UK GDPR;
3. A full explanation as to why DVLA accepts a non-compliant refusal to engage with a keeper appeal as grounds to then access keeper data already provided;
4. Confirmation of whether DVLA will be referring this incident to the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) for an independent assessment.

Should this Step 2 response not resolve the matter, I will escalate my concerns to my MP and the ICO, as I believe this situation constitutes a clear misuse of personal data and a breach of statutory obligations.

I would appreciate an acknowledgment of this Step 2 complaint and a timeframe for your full response.

Yours faithfully,

[Full Name]
[Postal Address]
[Email Address]
[Phone Number]
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: swooph on April 05, 2025, 04:33:22 pm
OK... here is what you do now. You should send the following complaint to the DVLA.

Hello again and thank you for all your help thus far.

I received this email from DVLA yesterday, i believe it states they have reasonable cause to request the data, please see below.

(https://i.postimg.cc/vchPk8nz/Mr-Panayiotis-Demetris-YY59-DHM-04-04-2025-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vchPk8nz)

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Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: DWMB2 on March 25, 2025, 05:14:53 pm
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One of those conditions, in paragraph 5(1)(b), is that the creditor must not know the name and address of the driver
I'm not sure how that affects your point. The creditor doesn't know the name and address of the driver, as the keeper has declined to tell them that.

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Once the operator has received a name and serviceable address from someone stating they are the Keeper, the bar for “necessity” is no longer met.
Is the bar for "necessity" defined in the KADOE contract, or is the above your interpretation of that term? (I'm not saying it's an unreasonable interpretation)
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: b789 on March 25, 2025, 05:07:32 pm
No, the creditor is not entitled to apply to the DVLA for the Keeper’s details if the Keeper has already come forward and provided their name and serviceable address.

The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) only allows the creditor to pursue the Keeper if certain conditions are met. One of those conditions, in paragraph 5(1)(b), is that the creditor must not know the name and address of the driver and therefore cannot take steps to enforce against them.

If the Keeper voluntarily provides their full name and serviceable address, that condition is no longer met. As a result, the right to rely on PoFA to transfer liability to the Keeper no longer applies.

Paragraph 11 of PoFA does require that the creditor has made a request to the DVLA for Keeper details if they intend to pursue the Keeper under PoFA. But that only applies if all the earlier conditions are still met — including not already knowing who the Keeper is. So paragraph 11 doesn’t override the earlier condition in paragraph 5(1)(b), it just adds to it.

Therefore, if the creditor already has the Keeper’s name and address, and the NtD is not compliant with PoFA (as in this case), then they cannot lawfully apply to the DVLA for the Keeper’s details. Doing so would be a breach of PoFA, a breach of the DVLA’s KADOE contract, and a breach of UK GDPR.

As far as KADOE is concerned:

KADOE Contract – Clause B2 and B2.1

The KADOE contract sets out the conditions under which data can be requested:

B2.1: "The Customer [i.e. the operator] shall only request Data where it is necessary for the enforcement of the parking terms and conditions in accordance with the reasonable cause criteria."

And in Annex A (paragraph 2):

“The processing of DVLA data must be necessary and proportionate for the purposes of identifying the Keeper of a vehicle when pursuing unpaid parking charges.”

There is nothing in the KADOE contract that permits a request for the purposes of verifying or double-checking already supplied Keeper details. Indeed, the contract requires that the data request be necessary and proportionate. Once the operator has received a name and serviceable address from someone stating they are the Keeper, the bar for “necessity” is no longer met.
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: DWMB2 on March 25, 2025, 12:46:58 pm
In order to anticipate any fob off by DVLA, I wonder if the complaint ought to make clearer the fact that the issue with them accessing DVLA data is that at the point of applying they were already unable to recover from the keeper using PoFA due to the non-compliant NtD, and their breaches of the PPSSCoP.

If the NtD had been compliant, and they were intending to hold the keeper liable, then they would have been entitled to (and in fact required to, by paragraph 11 of PoFA) access keeper details from DVLA. Likewise, checking with DVLA to make sure that the person who has written to them claiming to be the keeper is actually the keeper would not on its own seem to be a breach of the KADOE contract, but doing so after breaching the PPSSCoP would be.

Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: b789 on March 25, 2025, 12:37:25 pm
OK... here is what you do now. You should send the following complaint to the DVLA. You will edit the complaint as necessary with your details and sign it by typing your full name for the signature. You will then have to combine the letter with copies of the original NtD, the PCN response where they refuse to consider your appeal as the Keeper and anything else that is relevant into a single PDF file which cannot be larger than 19Mb.

You can use a free online tool such as this: https://www.pdf2go.com to combine the separate PDF pages into a single PDF document and also compress it is necessary to under 19.5Mb. When your document is ready, you go to the DVLA complaints webform, which is slightly convoluted: https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/complaints

You should start and then select the third option: "Making a complaint or compliment about the Vehicles service you have received".

You will then have to provide your personal details, your address and then your vehicle details. You will then be presented with webform in which you can put the following as covering information:

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Dear DVLA KADOE Compliance Team,

Please find attached a formal complaint regarding Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd and their unlawful use of DVLA data via the KADOE system.

The attached PDF contains a detailed complaint and all supporting evidence. It demonstrates that PCM was already in possession of my full name, address, vehicle details, and PCN reference following a direct appeal submitted after a Notice to Driver was issued. Despite this, PCM applied to the DVLA for my data and issued a Notice to Keeper to the same address, thereby accessing personal data unnecessarily and in breach of both the KADOE contract and the UK GDPR (Article 5(1)(c)).

In addition, PCM is already in breach of the KADOE contract by virtue of their failure to comply with the Private Parking Single Code of Practice, which is a mandatory requirement under the terms of their data access. Their refusal to process a valid Keeper appeal and misrepresentation of procedural rules are clear breaches of the PPSCoP.

I respectfully request that the DVLA investigates this matter and confirms what action will be taken in response.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]

The next step will let you upload your actual PDF complaint. Here is the draft wording for your actual complaint to the DVLA which should be saved as a PDF document once you have completed it and then, as already described above, combined with your other evidential correspondence into a single PDF file that is under 19.5Mb is size.

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FORMAL COMPLAINT – UNLAWFUL KADOE DATA REQUEST BY PARKING CONTROL MANAGEMENT (UK) LTD

To: DVLA KADOE Compliance Team

[Date]

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am raising a formal complaint regarding Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd (PCM), who accessed my DVLA keeper data via the KADOE system despite already being in possession of all relevant personal details voluntarily provided by me during a valid appeal. This access was unnecessary, excessive, and in breach of both the KADOE contract and the UK General Data Protection Regulation (UK GDPR).

Background Summary

Parking Operator: Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd
PCN Reference: [Insert PCN number]
VRM: [Insert vehicle registration]
Date of Alleged Contravention: [Insert date]

PCM issued a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) by way of a Notice to Driver (NtD) affixed to my vehicle. This NtD failed to comply with the requirements of Paragraph 9(2)(a) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), as it did not specify any “period of parking” — only a timestamp was shown.

This approach is legally inadequate. In the persuasive appellate decision Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H], the court held that a single moment in time cannot amount to a “period of parking.” The judge confirmed that, although the whole period of parking does not need to be recorded, there must be at least some recorded duration, such as the minimum consideration period, particularly where there is no evidence that the driver accepted the parking terms and conditions and decided to leave.

Following receipt of the NtD, I submitted a formal appeal to PCM. In doing so, I:

• Identified myself as the registered keeper of the vehicle;
• Provided my full name and serviceable address;
• Confirmed the PCN reference number and vehicle registration.

This is the same data PCM would otherwise obtain via a KADOE request to the DVLA.

Misuse of DVLA Data

PCM responded by refusing to process my appeal, claiming that only the driver may appeal at that stage — a procedural misrepresentation with no basis in PoFA or the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP). They then decided to reject the appeal and made a KADOE application to the DVLA for my keeper details and issued a Notice to Keeper (NtK) to the same name and address I had already provided voluntarily.

This request was wholly unnecessary, disproportionate, and made despite having already acquired the same information directly from me, which means it served no enforcement purpose. Under the KADOE contract, operators may only request DVLA data where it is necessary for the purpose of enforcing unpaid parking charges. That threshold was clearly not met.

The request also breached the principle of data minimisation under Article 5(1)(c) UK GDPR, which requires that only the minimum amount of personal data necessary be collected and processed.

Breach of the KADOE Contract

Importantly, PCM is already in breach of the KADOE contract by virtue of failing to comply with the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), which is a mandatory condition of KADOE access.

Specifically:

• They misrepresented the appeal process by falsely claiming that only the driver could appeal at the NtD stage;
• They refused to engage with a valid representation made by the registered keeper;
• They made a duplicate request for data they already held, in contravention of both the PPSCoP and the KADOE agreement.

These actions undermine the fair and lawful use of DVLA keeper data and clearly fall outside the scope of permissible access under the KADOE terms.

Relief Requested

I request that the DVLA:

1. Investigates this misuse of personal data and breach of the KADOE contract by Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd;
2. Confirms that this operator has accessed data outside the permitted purpose;
3. Advises what remedial or enforcement action will be taken in response, including any warning, suspension, or review of KADOE access.

Attached to and in support of this complaint, I include:

• My original appeal (with personal details and PCN reference);
• PCM’s response refusing to process it;
• A copy of the NtD and subsequent NtK;
• Related correspondence.

Please confirm receipt of this complaint and keep me informed of the outcome of your investigation.

Yours faithfully,

[Full Name]
[Postal Address]
[Email Address]
[Phone Number]

I also advise you to make contact with your MP and have get them involved in this matter. You can ask your MP to intervene on your behalf with the IPC. Here is a draft message you could send to your MP. (Find your MP (https://members.parliament.uk/FindYourMP))

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Dear [MP’s Name],

I am writing to request your assistance with a serious concern regarding the conduct of a private parking operator, Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd (PCM), and its Accredited Trade Association, the International Parking Community (IPC).

PCM unlawfully accessed my DVLA Keeper data via the KADOE system, despite having already received my full name, postal address, and vehicle details in a direct appeal submitted after a Notice to Driver (NtD) was issued. They later issued a Notice to Keeper (NtK) to the same name and address I had already supplied — an entirely unnecessary duplication, in breach of both the DVLA’s KADOE contract and the data minimisation principle under Article 5(1)(c) of the UK GDPR.

To compound this, PCM refused to consider my valid appeal on the false premise that only the driver could appeal at that stage, which misrepresents the law and contradicts the requirements of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP). Their conduct demonstrates a broader pattern of disregard for regulatory compliance.

As a result, I have submitted a formal complaint to the DVLA (copy enclosed), but I would be grateful for your support in the following ways:

1. Raise a Parliamentary Question

Would you be willing to submit a Written Parliamentary Question to the Secretary of State for Transport, asking:

"What guidance does the DVLA issue to private parking operators regarding the prohibition of unnecessary or duplicate KADOE data requests where a data subject has already provided their name and address voluntarily?"

A related question could ask:

"How many operators have had access to DVLA data suspended or investigated in the past 12 months due to breaches of the KADOE contract or non-compliance with the Private Parking Single Code of Practice?"

2. Submit a Complaint to the IPC on My Behalf

Given the IPC’s well-known reluctance to engage meaningfully with complaints from the general public, I would be grateful if you could escalate my complaint to the IPC directly. My concern relates to:

• PCM’s refusal to process a valid appeal;
• Its non-compliance with the PPSCoP;
• It's improper use of DVLA data despite already possessing the information.

As the IPC is a self-regulatory body, I believe they are more likely to respond appropriately to a formal enquiry or complaint made by a Member of Parliament.

3. Support for the Private Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019

Finally, I respectfully ask you to lend your support to the full commencement and implementation of the Private Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019. This legislation received Royal Assent nearly six years ago but remains dormant, while unregulated and inconsistent practices continue to harm motorists — particularly vulnerable groups.

The existing system of self-regulation has clearly failed to prevent abuses, and I believe Parliamentary support for activating the statutory Code is long overdue.

I enclose my full DVLA complaint and supporting evidence. Thank you very much for your time and consideration of this matter. I would be extremely grateful for your assistance and hope this issue may also be raised further with the Department for Transport if appropriate.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Address]
[Your Email Address]
[Your Phone Number]
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: swooph on March 25, 2025, 12:11:55 am
Send a formal complaint to PCM as follows:
hello again

unlike the previous correspondence that arrived by email, we had another letter through the post today which i am sharing below.

They have rejected the appeal as they claim the notice is enforcable and binding.  any further help is, as ever, most appreciated. 

Best

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Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: swooph on March 17, 2025, 07:52:18 pm
So, are you saying that the have sent you copies of the same documents you previously showed us? I see that there is an extra page you've shown which does have appeal information on it. Is that the back of one of the documents you previously showed us or is it a separate page that was not included originally?

I get the feeling they've sent the previous letter i mention in my last reply and it's crossed over with the email complaint we sent out, judging by the dates.  Regardless, I received this via eMail a couple of days ago

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I assume i should ignore the previous step and now wait for the 14 day process?

Thanks again

Best
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: b789 on March 13, 2025, 10:43:04 pm
So, are you saying that the have sent you copies of the same documents you previously showed us? I see that there is an extra page you've shown which does have appeal information on it. Is that the back of one of the documents you previously showed us or is it a separate page that was not included originally?

Either way the original NtD was not PoFA compliant and neither is the NtK. You appeal with the following, only as the Keeper.

There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, especially paragraph 9(2)(a) as it does not mention a period of parking, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. PCMUK has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. PCMUK have no hope should you try to make a court claim as I will use the persuasive appeals precedent of Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions 2023 H6DP632H where it was found that failure to specify an actual period of parking which covered at least the minimum consideration period, does not comply with the requirements of PoFA. So you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: swooph on March 13, 2025, 10:08:14 pm
Send a formal complaint to PCM as follows:
hello again

i just received these replies, can you kindly cast an eye and offer some assistance.  thank you

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Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: swooph on March 07, 2025, 06:02:52 pm
Thank you for going to this effort to help out.  Done
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: b789 on March 07, 2025, 12:03:52 am
Send a formal complaint to PCM as follows:

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Subject: Formal Complaint – Failure to Consider Keeper Appeal in Breach of the PPSCoP

Dear Sir/Madam,

I write to formally complain about PCM’s failure to consider my appeal against Parking Charge Notice [PCN reference number], in clear breach of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) v1.1, which constitutes a serious non-compliance issue and a potential breach of PCM’s KADOE agreement with the DVLA.

Background

• A Notice to Driver (NtD) was issued on 12th January 2025.
• As the Registered Keeper, I submitted a timely appeal on 8th February 2025.
• PCM refused to process my appeal, claiming that as I had not identified the driver, I had to wait until an NtK was issued following a DVLA data request.
• PCM then issued an NtK on 24th February 2025 without allowing any appeal option—only demanding payment or driver identification.

PCM’s Breach of the PPSCoP

1. Failure to Consider My Appeal as the Registered Keeper

PCM’s refusal to process my appeal was a direct breach of Annex C of the PPSCoP, which explicitly states:

"Where an NTK follows an NTD, the keeper or hirer may appeal the parking charge if the driver has not previously been given the opportunity to appeal."

• The driver did not appeal the NtD.
• As the Registered Keeper, I had an absolute right to appeal the PCN.
• PCM had no justification to refuse my appeal or demand DVLA verification before considering it.

2. Procedural Abuse – Issuing an NtK Without an Appeal Option

Under Section 8.4 of the PPSCoP, PCM is required to provide a process for motorists to appeal a Parking Charge Notice. PCM’s NtK failed to offer this, instead presenting only the option to pay or name the driver.

This is a serious procedural failing that obstructs the appeals process and violates the standards required for fair enforcement under the PPSCoP.

Required Action

PCM must immediately:

1. Acknowledge this complaint in writing within 14 days, as per the PPSCoP.
2. Confirm that my original appeal is now being properly processed in accordance with the Code.
3. Provide a substantive response within 28 days, either cancelling the PCN or issuing a formal rejection with details of further appeal options.

Next Steps if PCM Fails to Comply

Should PCM fail to rectify this situation, I will escalate this as a formal complaint to the DVLA, as your failure to comply with the PPSCoP is a breach of your KADOE agreement. This could result in sanctions against PCM, including suspension from DVLA data access.

I expect your urgent attention to this matter and await your response.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: swooph on March 06, 2025, 07:02:08 pm
hi again, all apologies for bumping this.  can any of you kindly help with some advice, next steps?

best
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: swooph on March 03, 2025, 05:44:00 pm
Hi all, and thanks for your help thus far.  I've followed the steps so far and on cue, like you suggested, the rejection has arrived, attached below

If you could kindly let me know the next steps, it would be most appreicated.

thank you all for your time on this.
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Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: swooph on January 15, 2025, 05:58:40 pm
aprreciated, thank you.
Title: Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: b789 on January 15, 2025, 02:22:32 pm
No one pays PCM if they follow the advice. The Notice to Driver (NtD) is not PoFA compliant and so they cannot transfer liability from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

There is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company. Never use language such as "I did this or that". Always use "The driver did this or that".

Put this date in your diary and on the 8th February, you appeal the PCN as the Registered Keeper (RK) on their website with the following:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Driver (NtD) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. PCM has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtD can only hold the driver liable. PCM have no hope at IAS, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

Then you wait for the rejection.
Title: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
Post by: swooph on January 15, 2025, 02:11:55 pm
Hi All.  First ever private parking PCN received in North London

I was working on apartment, and popped in to pick up some tools.  Was a few minutes.  Came back to the ticket.  Attaching the "PCN" and the evidence downloaded from the website.  I'm new to this and have read the guidance but forgive me if i've missed something

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any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Best