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Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: AlexDove on March 03, 2026, 07:34:24 am
Got it, thanks!
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 03, 2026, 07:16:24 am
If you already have your own thread for this case, then yes please continue that.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: AlexDove on March 03, 2026, 07:00:16 am
Oh, I am sorry, I did not realised I have to do that.
Is it posting to my original thread an option or need to start a new one altogether?
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 02, 2026, 10:57:26 am
I hadn't noticed that two separate users had been posting about their cases on the same thread, and had been responding as if they were one and the same (which is exactly why we have a 'one case, one thread' rule)
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on March 02, 2026, 10:26:05 am
Makes sense of course but bear in mind that our 2 cases are identical, with the same claimant and have reached the same stage and have been on the same thread for 2 months now.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: Dave65 on March 02, 2026, 10:22:28 am
AlexDove, please start your own thread if you have a similar issue.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on March 02, 2026, 09:26:51 am
Hi,
I'm interested because I'm going through exactly the same with them.
I don't know all of CPR, but I would have expected to receive a claim form 1st. Maybe check MCOL (but you need credentials which came with the claim form...). Let's see what the real experts say.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: AlexDove on March 01, 2026, 09:13:25 pm
Do not call them, block their number, hang up if you answer.

There is nothing you can say which will be to your advantage, and quite likely you will say something which does not help you. All communication needs to be in writing so you have a record.

Hi All,
2 and a half months after the mediation call I have received a General Form of Judgement or Order from Kingston County Court.
Do I need to go to court now or what are the next steps?

Tried to attach the images via imgpile, hope the link below works.
https://imgpile.com/p/yZV01Gq (https://imgpile.com/p/yZV01Gq)
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on February 18, 2026, 11:11:45 am
All as expected!
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on February 18, 2026, 10:36:25 am
Hello,

The mediation call has just ended.

Parkmaven was represented by Emily Maloney, Litigation Support Assiociate at DCB Legal. Mediator conmfirmed they had authority.

They offered to settle for £200 (vs £265 in claim form) and I offered £0, discontinued claim and no cost ... which they refused.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on February 03, 2026, 09:57:02 am
Hi,
Got another call from DCB Legal.
It's an automated system and the message is "We've been trying to contact you. Please call back on this number".
I don't call that trying. They consider that THEY have been trying to contact you as long as YOU don't manage to contact them.
This way, they can claim that they've tried to reach you ... which is a half-truth at best.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on January 19, 2026, 12:04:26 pm
Just got a phone call from DCB Legal ahead of the mediation. Of course I ignored it and let it go to voice mail.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: AlexDove on January 15, 2026, 11:17:33 pm
I thought so, I'll block the number.
Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: jfollows on January 15, 2026, 05:48:13 am
Do not call them, block their number, hang up if you answer.

There is nothing you can say which will be to your advantage, and quite likely you will say something which does not help you. All communication needs to be in writing so you have a record.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: AlexDove on January 15, 2026, 01:47:10 am
Oh, I forgot to mention, after the mediation call I got a missed call from DCBL,
Is that something usual they do? Should I call them back?
This is the message left:
“ This is DCB legal calling for Mr……
We have been trying to contact you. Please call us urgently on (020) 3838 7038. That number again is (020) 3838 7038…”
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: AlexDove on January 15, 2026, 01:43:25 am
Hello,
Sorry I have not check the messages lately.
I did speak to a lady eventually and all went ok. She told me that I will receive a letter in a couple of weeks or so.
Regarding the “penalty” term used, I understand what you are trying to say, however, that’s the information I found online, which could be wrong by all means.
“Yes, if you do not attend a mandatory money claim mediation call in the UK, the judge can impose penalties (sanctions). These sanctions are at the court's discretion and can be severe.”
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: jfollows on January 02, 2026, 02:45:33 pm
It’s not a “penalty”, nor is it a “fine”, by using these words you show you are in the mindset they want you to be in.

If I don’t mow your lawn but send you a demand for payment, you wouldn’t call it a “penalty” or a “fine” would you? You’d tell me to get lost.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: AlexDove on January 02, 2026, 02:03:57 pm
Yes I did provide my tel number.
I have also called a tel number provided by them in the mediation call appointment email to confirm that the mediation call will take place and they confirmed it, they also asked me to confirm my tel number so all good.

Thank you very much for all your answers, I tried my best to check all previous posts for information as I am aware that most people ask mostly the same questions.
Thank you again for your help!
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: jfollows on January 02, 2026, 11:50:08 am
What did you write in the N180 you submitted? You should have provided your telephone number in this and it’s the one which will be used for the mediation call.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: AlexDove on January 02, 2026, 10:58:52 am
For the mediation call, the only requirement is for you "attend" the call. It is not part of the judicial process and no judge is involved.

This is what I advise you to say when you receive the call from the mediator:

Before I set out my position, please confirm from the claimant’s side:

• the full name of the person attending for them;
• their role/position at their legal representative’s firm; and
• whether they hold written authority to negotiate and settle today.

Please relay that back to me before we continue.

After the mediator calls back...

If identified and authority confirmed:

Thank you. I’m content to proceed on that basis. My settlement offer is £0, or I invite the claimant to discontinue with no order as to costs.

If no/unclear authority:

Please record that the claimant’s attendee has not confirmed settlement authority. My position remains that liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised solicitor if they choose to discontinue.

If the mediator probes your defence:

In what capacity are you asking that question? Are you legally trained?  If not, please refrain from offering opinions. I will be reporting any attempt to do so as inappropriate.”

All you need to know is the name and the position of the person acting for the claimant and report that back to us. It will be over within minutes. Complete waste of time otherwise.

Hi Guys,

I have received an e-mail notifying me that I will have a mediation call today 02/01/2026 between 13:30-16:30, at the end of November but I have failed to reply to scmreferrals@justice.gov.uk with my tel number and whatever else was required, or at least I forgot if I replied or did not find the e-mail in my sent items. Can I still reply now or I am wasting my time and I am going to get a penalty anyway?
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on January 01, 2026, 09:24:08 pm
Do't overthink this. The mediation is not part of the judicial process. You will get nowhere by trying to get the claimant to offer any evidence etc. That is left to the Witness Statement stage, which this will never reach if you follow the advice.

The mediation call is a commute waste of everyones time and if you follow the advice I have already given you, this will be over in less that 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on January 01, 2026, 04:52:11 pm
Thank you for clarifying the fact that there can be back-and-forth phone calls between both parties.

I will attempt to get the details of Parkmaven's attendee during the actual phone call but, having searched the forum for mediation examples, I ran into a complaint reply by HMCTS which read:
"The mediator’s role is to confirm that each person taking part has authority to settle the claim, which was done during your appointment. While I appreciate that you feel that the claimant’s representative should have identified themselves, there is no requirement for them to do this, and the mediator cannot make the parties share their personal details."
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on January 01, 2026, 03:17:01 pm
For the mediation call, the only requirement is for you "attend" the call. It is not part of the judicial process and no judge is involved.

This is what I advise you to say when you receive the call from the mediator:

Before I set out my position, please confirm from the claimant’s side:

• the full name of the person attending for them;
• their role/position at their legal representative’s firm; and
• whether they hold written authority to negotiate and settle today.

Please relay that back to me before we continue.

After the mediator calls back...

If identified and authority confirmed:

Thank you. I’m content to proceed on that basis. My settlement offer is £0, or I invite the claimant to discontinue with no order as to costs.

If no/unclear authority:

Please record that the claimant’s attendee has not confirmed settlement authority. My position remains that liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised solicitor if they choose to discontinue.

If the mediator probes your defence:

In what capacity are you asking that question? Are you legally trained?  If not, please refrain from offering opinions. I will be reporting any attempt to do so as inappropriate.”

All you need to know is the name and the position of the person acting for the claimant and report that back to us. It will be over within minutes. Complete waste of time otherwise.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: jfollows on January 01, 2026, 08:58:16 am
Mediation is mandatory, per Section A on the N180 you submitted, but it’s pointless, you will offer £0 to settle and your offer won’t be accepted and that’s that.

Search the forum for lots of examples.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on January 01, 2026, 08:49:03 am
Hi and happy new year to all! (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji322.png)

HMCTS is busy on new year's eve. MCOL now says "You filed a DQ on 31/12/2025" (even though it was sent acknowledged on the 13th) and I've received a Mediation Appointment Confirmation for 18 Feb which I need to reply to by providing a phone number.

The confirmation email says:
"The mediator will call both parties separately – you will not talk directly to the other side. They will try to help you come to an agreement with the other party. If an agreement is reached at mediation the case will not need to progress to court.
Where your mediation appointment is mandatory, if you do not attend the appointment, the judge will take this into consideration at any court hearing and may issue a penalty. This could include the judge automatically ruling in the other party’s favour or ordering you to pay for some or all the other party’s costs.
"
The mediation does not appear to be classified as mandatory but I'll answer the call I suppose, although I'm not sure what to expect from this mediation.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on December 13, 2025, 01:09:13 pm
It is not "they go for the hearing". In due course, the case will be transferred to your local county court and a procedural judge will assign a hearing date and other deadlines. One of those deadlines is for them to pay the £27 trial fee, around 4 weeks before the hearing date. It is just before this deadline to pay the trial fee that they will issue an N279 Notice of Discontinuance and it will be over.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on December 13, 2025, 12:32:50 pm
Confusing indeed. Thanks for reminding me. I've edited my previous post.

Let's see if they now go for the hearing. By the way, they still have not sent the contract or any evidence in support of their claim.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on December 13, 2025, 12:05:18 pm
We know. That is why we advise you to do it this way.

Also, I seriously doubt "DCBL's" DQ appeared anywhere. DCBL is a completely different legal entity to DCB Legal. Please do not confuse the two.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on December 13, 2025, 01:06:11 am
Hello,

DCB Legal's DQ finally appeared on MCOL and I've now received the paper Notice of Proposed Allocation:

"You must by 22 December 2025 complete the Small Claims Directions Questionnaire (Form N180) and file it with the court office:
      the Civil National Business Center + postal address in Northampton
and serve copies on all other parties"


Even though this option is not mentioned in the documents received, I sent the D180 by email per your recommendations. I've immediately received automatic acknowledgements from DQ.CNBC and info@dcblegal
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on November 26, 2025, 10:13:25 am
No. It wil update when they have sent your own Directions Questionnaire. It does nt mention the claims because the MCOL does not become active until you have responded to it.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on November 25, 2025, 10:43:54 pm
Hi,
All I can see on MCOL in the Claim history is documents I've submitted:
"Claim History
Your acknowledgment of service was received on  at
Your defence was submitted on  at
Your defence was received on  at
"

There's no mention of the claim itself and notices sent to me or to the claimant. Are these hidden somewhere else?
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on November 24, 2025, 11:00:56 am
You don't submit your DQ until you see on MCOL that yours has been sent or you receive it in the post.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on November 24, 2025, 10:10:57 am
Hi,


DCB Legal did not attempt to contact me again but, exactly as expected, I've now received the following email:

"Good Morning

Having reviewed the content of your defence, we write to inform you that our client intends to proceed with the claim.

In due course, the Court will direct both parties to each file a directions questionnaire. In preparation for that, please find attached a copy of the Claimant's, which we confirm has been filed with the Court.

Without Prejudice to the above, in order to assist the Court in achieving its overriding objective, our client may be prepared to settle this case - in the event you wish to discuss settlement, please call us on 0203 434 0433 within 7 days and make immediate reference to this correspondence.

If you have provided an email address within your Defence, we intend to use it for service of documents (usually in PDF format) hereon in pursuant to PD 6A (4.1)(2)(c). Please advise whether there are any limitations to this (for example, the format in which documents are to be sent and the maximum size of attachments that may be received). Unless you advise otherwise, we will assume not.

Kind Regards,
Litigation Support
DCB Legal Ltd
Tel: 0203 838 7038 | DX 23457 Runcorn
"

They've attached a directions questionnaire (but I don't see it on MCOL yet).
Their answers are as follows
• C1: "YES"
• D1: "YES"
• F1: Claimant's home court
• F3: "1"

I've prepared my directions questionnaire according to guidelines but don't see the request on MCOL yet.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: InterCity125 on November 13, 2025, 10:32:52 am
Block their number. They will just try to intimidate you into paying. It's a sign that you are in a good position.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on November 13, 2025, 10:23:23 am
        Hi,

Just received an automated call from DCBL to discuss the matter. I wasn't prepared to speak to someone so hung up.
Should I take the call if they try again or should we do all in writing?
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on November 06, 2025, 04:10:46 pm
Indeed,

I've received the following letter dated 27 Oct from HMCTS

"I acknowledge receipt of your defence. A copy is being served on the claimant (or the claimant's solicitor).
The claimant may contact you direct to attempt to resolve any dispute. If the dispute cannot be resolved
informally, the claimant will inform the court that he wishes to proceed. The court will then inform you of
what will happen.
Where he wishes to proceed, the claimant must contact the court within 28 days after receiving a copy of
your defence. After that period has elapsed, the claim will be stayed. The only action the claimant can then
take will be to apply to a judge for an order lifting the stay.
"

(can't post images for some reason)

All standard and was expected. You will now receive a letter from the claimants solicitor telling you that their client intends to proceed and they will include a copy of their N180 Directions Questionnaire (DQ) which you can just file for reference. Keep checking your MCOL for news when your own N180 DQ has been sent to you. You don't have to waif for it to arrive and you can prepare your now following this advice:

Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180) or been notified on MCOL that yours has been sent, do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own N180 DQ here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on November 06, 2025, 11:22:56 am
Agreed - an inherent downside of using free forum software is that we have limited control of how it works. An inherent upside is that you don't have to pay for our advice.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on November 06, 2025, 11:13:43 am
Since that's been the policy all along, it's a good thing that the upload buttons no longer appear.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on November 06, 2025, 10:49:30 am
Deleting previous uploads made most existing threads pointless.
We haven't deleted anything. A lot of images from previous threads are unavailable for 2 main reasons:
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on November 06, 2025, 10:36:30 am
Thanks.
Deleting previous uploads made most existing threads pointless.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: jfollows on November 06, 2025, 10:26:32 am
https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/posting-images/#new
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on November 06, 2025, 10:11:20 am
Indeed,

I've received the following letter dated 27 Oct from HMCTS

"I acknowledge receipt of your defence. A copy is being served on the claimant (or the claimant's solicitor).
The claimant may contact you direct to attempt to resolve any dispute. If the dispute cannot be resolved
informally, the claimant will inform the court that he wishes to proceed. The court will then inform you of
what will happen.
Where he wishes to proceed, the claimant must contact the court within 28 days after receiving a copy of
your defence. After that period has elapsed, the claim will be stayed. The only action the claimant can then
take will be to apply to a judge for an order lifting the stay.
"

(can't post images for some reason)
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on October 25, 2025, 08:42:37 pm
Correct. The CNBC will serve it on them.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on October 25, 2025, 05:14:08 pm
I've submitted the suggested defence online. It is my understanding that I do NOT need to serve it on the claimant.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on October 12, 2025, 06:09:21 pm
You only needed to submit the AoS if you needed more time to file the defence.

The requirements of PD 7E are confusing. However, they do not override the requirement to state the contractual terms allegedly breached in a claim. They have failed to do that.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on October 12, 2025, 05:41:30 pm
Thanks for the clarification. The wording of PD 7C is misleading to say the least.

I googled and saw:
To attach a contract to an MCOL claim, you can upload it during the claim issuance process, but it is not sent to the other party until the claim is formally issued.

If this is true, there's no way to know whether the "contract" has been attached to the claim (How odd?) and it's premature to argue that it hasn't.

I've submitted an AoS.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on October 12, 2025, 04:40:07 pm
You misunderstand...

Quote
7.3 Where a claim is based upon a written agreement –

(1) a copy (or copies) of the contract or documents constituting the agreement should be attached to or served with the particulars of claim and the original(s) should be available at the hearing, and

MCOL is just a way to issue a claim. It doesn’t change what the rules say must be in, or go with, the particulars of claim.

PD 16 paragraph 7.3(1) still bites for a contract claim. If the claimant says you breached a contract, they must set out the actual terms they rely on. If it’s a written contract, they should attach or serve it with the particulars, or at least set out the relevant terms verbatim. If it’s oral or by conduct, they must plead the terms and when/how they were agreed.

PD 7E (the MCOL practice direction) only relaxes the need to attach documents in the tiny MCOL text box. It does not relieve the claimant of proving the contract. If they cannot fit full particulars and the contract terms in the MCOL box, they must serve separate, fuller particulars within 14 days of service of the claim. Those separate particulars must include the contract terms said to be breached.

Bottom line: using MCOL doesn’t excuse a claimant from evidencing the contract. They must either provide the terms in the MCOL particulars or serve full particulars (with the terms) within 14 days. If they don’t, the pleadings are defective and open to challenge.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on October 12, 2025, 02:33:31 pm
I read in PD 7C (money claim online):

5.2A The requirement in paragraph 7.3 of Practice Direction 16 for documents to be attached to the particulars of contract claims does not apply to claims started using an online claim form, unless the particulars of claim are served separately in accordance with paragraph 5.2 of this practice direction.

So there seems to be no obligation to attach the contract and T&Cs. Not sure how the defendant is supposed to receive them.

Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on October 11, 2025, 06:25:45 pm
This is never going to get as far as a hearing as it will be discontinued just before they have to pay the £27 trial fee. Even if it were to go that ear (it won't), you can challenged anything in their WS if they bring up liability.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on October 11, 2025, 06:20:03 pm
Thanks.
So you would stick to procedural issues and wouldn't even bother to mention the POFA non compliances in the defence ?
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on October 11, 2025, 04:25:28 pm
That's the first Claim Form I've ever seen from this firm that has been properly and by a regulated, authorised person. Every previous Claim Form they have served (over 100k a year) have been signed and submitted by a person unauthorised to conduct litigation, which is a breach of the Legal Services Act and a criminal offence.

Anyway, with an issue date of 8th October you have until 4pm on Monday 27th October to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 10th November to submit your defence.

You only need to submit an AoS if you need extra time to prepare your defence. If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Until very recently, we never advised using the MCOL to submit a defence. However, due to recent systemic failures within the CNBC, we feel that it is safer to now submit a short defence using MCOL as it is instantly submitted and entered into the "system". Whilst it will deny the use of some formatting or inclusion of transcripts etc. these can always be included with the Witness Statement (WS) later, if it ever progresses that far.

You will need to copy and paste it into the defence text box on MCOL. It has been checked to make sure that it will fit into the 122 lines limit.

Quote
1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with PD 16, para 7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant submits that courts have previously struck out materially similar claims of their own initiative for failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4, particularly where the Particulars of Claim failed to specify the contractual terms relied upon or explain the alleged breach with sufficient clarity.

5. In comparable cases involving modest sums, judges have found that requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, strike-out was deemed appropriate. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim due to the Claimant’s failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4, rather than permitting an amendment. The Defendant proposes that the following Order be made:

Draft Order:

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the particulars of claim do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because: (a) they do not set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract which is (or are) relied on; and (b) they do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract.

AND the claimant could have complied with CPR 16.4(1)(a) had it served separate detailed particulars of claim, as it could have done pursuant to PD 7C, para 5.2, but chose not to do so.

AND upon the Court determining, having regard to the overriding objective (CPR 1.1), that it would be disproportionate to direct further pleadings or to allot any further share of the Court’s resources to this claim (for example by ordering further particulars of claim and a further defence, with consequent case management).

ORDER:

1. The claim is struck out.

2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay this order by application on notice, which must be filed at this Court not more than 7 days after service of this order, failing which no such application may be made.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on October 11, 2025, 09:42:03 am
Here they are (can't upload on the site anymore and img function does not work)

front (https://ibb.co/twbTkMKb)

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Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: jfollows on October 11, 2025, 09:22:25 am
Front and back of the N1SDT form only, please. Only obscure your details, claim number & password.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on October 11, 2025, 12:28:26 am
Hello,

I've finally received a claim form from HMCTS dated 8 oct

DCB Legal's particulars of claim in the Civil National Business Centre are:

1) The defendant is indebted to the claimant for a parking charge issued to vehicle {plate number} at the Centre Feltham Surface, Feltham, TW13 4GU.
2) The date of the contravention is 17/12/2024 and the defendant was issued with a parking charge
3) the defendant is pursued as the driver of the vehicle for breach of the terms on the signs (the contract). Reason: no valid parking session
4) In the alternative the defendant is pursued as the keeper pursuant to POFA 2012 scheduel 4
AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS
1) £170 being the total of the parking charge and damages
2) interest at the rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s69 of the county courts act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of £0.03 until judgment or sooner payment
3) Costs and court fees

There are pages of response forms which I will share when I get a chance if there is interest.
It looks like the first step is to file an acknowledgment of service.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on August 29, 2025, 01:57:33 pm
I've received another DCBL letter to recycle. 8)
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on July 28, 2025, 01:02:29 pm
We really don;'t need to know about useless debt recovery letters and all you need to so is recycle them.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: paulpaul1308 on July 28, 2025, 11:52:27 am
Don't bother posting debt collectors letters here, they are toothless and can simply be binned.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on July 28, 2025, 09:43:11 am
As expected, here's the first debt recovery letter.
They call themselves bailiffs but there's a note at the bottom that says "this case is not subject to High Court or bailiff action"

No LOC yet.

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Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on June 23, 2025, 07:41:30 am
So what?

You ignore all reminders and subsequent debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC).
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on June 22, 2025, 06:20:57 pm
FYI, Parkmaven have sent a payment reminder
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Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on May 22, 2025, 02:38:38 am
Just goes to show how useless and incestuously involved with the very companies they are supposed to adjudicate on. I wouldn't worry. A POPLA decision is not binding on the appellant and has absolutely no bearing on anything going forward.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on May 21, 2025, 07:24:15 pm
Got an answer from POPLA. Pretty much as expected and carefully written ... but they don't address the 9(2)(e) non-compliance:

Your complaint about POPLA decision xxxxx

Thank you for your contact outlining the reasons why you are unhappy with the decision that has been reached by the assessor in your appeal. This was passed to me by the POPLA team as I am responsible for investigating complaints.

It is worth pointing out that before submitting an appeal, our website informs appellants that POPLA is a one-stage appeal service and we cannot reconsider your appeal if you disagree with our decision.

Clearly, the crux of your complaint is that you are unhappy with the outcome reached in the assessment of your appeal. I have noted the following points and I will address each one separately below:

You have stated that the assessor has misinterpreted the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA 2012).

I refer to section 9(2)(f) of PoFA 2012, which states that the notice to keeper must: “warn the keeper that if, at the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice to keeper is given:
(i)            The amount of the unpaid parking charges has not been paid in full, and
(ii)            The creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver,
(iii)         
the creditor will have the right to recover from the keeper so much of the amount that remains unpaid
”.

The notice to keeper states:
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The assessor was therefore satisfied that it is compliant.

Although the notice to keeper requests payment within 28 days, this is assuming that the keeper is the driver. For the avoidance of doubt, the purpose of PoFA 2012 is to ensure that liability is transferred to the correct, liable party; requesting payment from the driver within 28 days is not a breach of PoFA 2012. Having reviewed the assessor’s response, I can see that this is clearly explained.

You have stated that the assessor dismissed your claim that the notice to keeper is in breach of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (the Code).

Within your appeal, you made reference to Section 8.1.2.e of the Code, which states: “that if the recipient appeals within 28 days of receiving the parking charge, the right to pay at the rate applicable when the appeal was made must stand for a further 14 days from the date (subject to 8.1.2d) they receive notification that their appeal has been rejected”.

This section of the Code makes reference to the amount of the charge due when an appeal response is issued. While the notice asks motorists to pay within 28 days from the date of issue, the notice is not in breach of this section. In this case, I can see that you appealed on 13 January 2025, 19 days after the date of issue. In accordance with Section 8.1.2.e of the Code, the amount due should have been £100. However, the operator held the charge at the discounted rate. Please note that this ground of appeal does not affect the validity of the parking charge notice.

You have stated the assessor has incorrectly claimed that the Code only applies to signage until 2026.

I refer to the assessor’s rationale, which explains:
The sector Code of Practice has been jointly created by the British Parking Association (BPA) and the International Parking Community (IPC). It is largely based on the Government’s Private Parking Code of Practice, which was published in February 2022, and subsequently withdrawn in June 2022. The new Code came into force on the 1 October 2024. It is stipulated in the Code that the parking operator needs to comply with all elements relating to signage by 31 December 2026. Therefore, for any aspects of this case relating to signage, I will be referring to version 9 of the BPA Code of Practice. This is applicable for parking events that occurred from 1 February 2024.

I refer to the Code, which states:
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The assessor therefore correctly considered the applicable British Parking Association Code of Practice when assessing the adequacy of the signage. Having reviewed the assessor’s rationale, I am satisfied that their assessment of the signage is appropriate based on the available evidence.

You have stated that the assessor failed to uphold POPLA’s own standards regarding operator rebuttals.

It is important to explain that POPLA’s role is solely to assess whether a parking charge notice was issued correctly in the first instance. While the parking operator is responsible for rebutting the appellant’s claims and demonstrating that the charge was issued correctly, it is not within POPLA’s remit to address any shortfalls in its internal appeals procedure.

You are unhappy that the assessor accepted the operator’s landowner contract as evidence of the operator’s authority to issue parking charge notices on the land.

When assessing appeals, POPLA must consider the evidence provided by both parties.

I refer to the assessor’s rationale, which explains:
In this case the operator has provided a witness statement and an enforcement agreement and I am satisfied that the operator has the authority to issue PCN’s on this site. The operator does not need to provide a full copy of the full contract as it may contain commercially sensitive information.

While I note the appellant’s comments, from the information provided from the operator I am satisfied therefore, that the operator had sufficient authority on the date of the contravention.

Furthermore, if authority had since been removed, it is likely that the landowner would remove the signage at the same time. Not many landowners would look on quietly while someone operates on their land without their permission. The evidence provided in relation to this appeal meets the criteria POPLA requires, and therefore I am satisfied that the operator has sufficient authority at the site on the date of the parking event.


In the absence of evidence to suggest otherwise, the assessor could only be satisfied that the operator had the relevant authority at the time.

Overall, having reviewed both the appeal and your complaint, I am satisfied the decision reached is appropriate based on the evidence presented.

In terms of POPLA’s role in the parking industry, I refer to the FAQs section of our website, which explains:
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In closing, I am sorry that your experience of using our service has not been positive. However, POPLA’s involvement in your appeal has now ended and this response concludes our complaints process. It will not be appropriate for us to correspond further on this matter and all further correspondence will be noted on your case, but not responded to.

You are of course, free to pursue this matter further through other means, such as the Courts. For independent advice, you may wish to contact Citizens Advice at: www.citizensadvice.org.uk or call 0345 404 05 06 (English) or 0345 404 0505 (Welsh).

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Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on May 12, 2025, 06:57:24 pm

I don't see myself arguing semantics in court, eg that "advising" is different from "warning". If you search "advising vs warning" on the web, there are many hits, indicating to me that if there's a difference it's subtle.

On the other hand, I can see arguing the substantial failures of the NtK in regards to other paragraphs of 9(2).

Imho (e) and (f) are not clumsily worded and I feel pretty comfortable proving non-compliance with (e) (see my earlier posts).

Could I have please have your opinion about NtK compliance with other paragraphs, especially the (b)(c)(d) group and (i) ?



I feel this debate is worthwhile because a lot of threads I see on the "private parking tickets" section of this forum deal with PoFA compliance.


We'll see if there are any next steps but I'd rather not be the guinea pig. FYI, the only reason I started this whole kerkuffle is because I have a mail redirection and received the NtK one day after the end of the "discount" period (as stated on the NtK). This was a carshare deal and I can't charge more than the discounted amount to the driver.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on May 12, 2025, 06:16:44 pm
The phrase "must state" does not appear in Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). Instead, paragraph 9(2) opens with the phrase "The notice must—" followed by a list of specific requirements at sub-paragraphs (a) to (i).

Several of these sub-paragraphs then use the words "state that" or similar phrasing to describe what the notice must contain. This distinction matters because the legal framework of PoFA is not the same as that under the Traffic Management Act 2004 (TMA).

Under the TMA, local authorities issue penalty charge notices using statutory powers, and courts have accepted substantial compliance with requirements like “must state” so long as the notice is not misleading and conveys the necessary information. However, PoFA operates in a contractual law context.

There is no automatic liability for the keeper; liability can only be transferred if the parking operator strictly complies with each of the requirements listed under paragraph 9(2). PoFA is a statutory gateway, and each condition is a mandatory precondition.

While some flexibility in language may be acceptable—such as using a synonym for “invite”—the meaning must still be clear, and ambiguity or implication is not enough. A notice that merely implies the keeper may pay, without clearly and directly inviting them to do so, does not satisfy paragraph 9(2)(e)(i).

Courts are less tolerant of ambiguity under PoFA because it governs the creation of liability where none previously existed. Therefore, comparisons to statutory law enforcement under the TMA are not applicable, and the threshold for compliance under PoFA remains strict.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: H C Andersen on May 12, 2025, 06:00:55 pm
For b789:

With respect:

From the Traffic Management Act 2004 General Regs:

Notice to Owner

.l(3) A notice to owner must, in addition to the matters required to be included in it under regulation 3(2) of the 2022 Appeals Regulations, state—


Another statute using the expression 'must state'.

There is case law that 'must state' does not impose a verbatim requirement. If authorities(or in this case a PPC) depart from the wording then they do so at the risk that the alternative might not be substantially compliant. But as long as the same meaning is conveyed and the alternative does not mislead then taking the document as a whole the courts have held that compliance has been achieved.

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/keycases/R%20on%20the%20application%20of%20Hackney%20Drivers%20Association%20Ltd%20v%20The%20Parking%20Adjudiactor%20Lancashire%20County%20Council.pdf

I believe that PoFA is subject to the same analysis.


Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on May 12, 2025, 05:25:51 pm
But is there a "warning" in ParkMaven's NtK? In this respect, the factual the notice must "warn" the Keeper, could be interpreted as directory, not mandatory. However, it falls within paragraph 9(2), which means that all those sub-points (a to i) are mandatory.

The Notice 'MUST WARN' the Keeper... but it doesn't. It simply 'advises'. Wecoiuld go on about this forever. For now, it will only be POPLA who have to be persuaded and they are usually fairly thick when it comes to analysing the nuances of PoFA, to the point of absurdity.

If it is ever litigated, the odds of it ever going as far as a hearing in front of a judge are probably less than 1%. If it ever does, then these points could be argued in the Witness Statement.

The only way this could ever be determined, once and for all, is if an appeal is made on these points and even then, it would only be persuasive, not binding unless it went to a higher court.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on May 12, 2025, 05:11:23 pm
I think the significant discussion arising from this is indicative of the fact that there's a fair chance that different judges could reach different conclusions on the point. Regardless of whether or not they should, different judges have a tendency to differ as to how prescriptively they interpret the provisions of PoFA. (Frankly the whole of Schedule 4 is clumsily worded in my view, to the extent that it has caused much needless confusion, but that's another matter)

You've now heard in detail two different views on the matter - I'm not sure your case would be benefitted by an overly protracted further debate rehashing the same points. If you're up for a fight, which it seems like you are, we can see how the case progresses.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on May 12, 2025, 04:41:44 pm
I, like b789, tend to read "must" as implying mandatory. But I'm not a judge.
Are there cases where judges have upheld NtKs that did not strictly meet PoFA requirements ?


That being said, 9(2)(e) (i) and (ii) go hand-in-hand because they are logically connected.

The notice (...) must (...) invite the keeper
(i)to pay the unpaid parking charges; or
(ii)if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver


So NtK must have a (i) OR (ii) alternative to comply with 9(2)(e), not just (i) somewhere in the text and (ii) somewhere else. NtKs need to follow 9(2)(e)wording. (i) and (ii) cannot be separated because there's a logical OR between them

Further, the Boolean opposite of this proposition is (i) and (ii) (non-(i) AND non-(ii)) and this defines non-compliance with 9(2)(e) precisely as worded in 9(2)(f) which introduces the 28-day deadline:
The Notice (...) must (...) warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given—
(i)the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and
(ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver


So 9(2)(e) and (f) go hand-in-hand as well because they are also logically connected. That's not buy accident; legislators wanted it that way. So repeating the 9(2)(f) wording but not the 9(2)(e) wording, as Parkmaven did, makes no sense...which reinforces the mandatory must.

I hope I'm being clear.

I know judges are not mathematicians but somehow the point needs to be made
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c8dmhwus6g
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on May 12, 2025, 04:23:11 pm
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They huff and puff, and to be honest so do we.
Sadly we've not quite managed to blow their house down, just yet  ;D
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on May 12, 2025, 03:46:25 pm
Paragraph 9 of Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 is mandatory, not merely directory.

Here’s the legal distinction and how it applies:

Mandatory vs Directory – Definitions

• A mandatory requirement must be strictly complied with. Failure to comply means the legal consequence does not follow.
• A directory requirement should ideally be complied with, but a failure to do so might not invalidate the process or outcome.

Why Paragraph 9 is Mandatory

PoFA Schedule 4 sets out a strict statutory scheme that allows a private parking operator to hold a keeper liable only if all the conditions in Paragraph 9 are met.

Paragraph 9(2) opens with:

The notice must

This is mandatory language. The use of “must” signals that each element is a precondition to keeper liability. Courts have consistently interpreted statutory provisions like these as mandatory when they confer a benefit or impose a liability only if certain conditions are satisfied.

If a Notice to Keeper fails to comply with any part of paragraph 9(2)(a) to (i), then the operator cannot rely on PoFA to transfer liability to the keeper. There is no judicial discretion to overlook or “substantially comply” with these elements — it is a strict test.

Conclusion: Paragraph 9 is a mandatory provision. Each requirement must be satisfied in full for the keeper to be held liable. Any failure — even a technical one — invalidates the operator’s right to pursue the keeper under PoFA.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: H C Andersen on May 12, 2025, 01:33:59 pm
And OP, herein we do differ. I refer to the distinction between mandatory and directory, as here:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/legal-studies/article/abs/mandatory-and-directory-rules/70E6CBF84A2FA2E883829D371D2AF805

b789 appears to be of the view that para. 9 is 'mandatory'. I am not.

As DWMB2 observed, we haven't seen the point tested in court in this context and even if it had, it would depend upon the nature of any breach, the judge on the day and how the issue is presented.

As long as you know that you are not embarking upon tried and tested points of law as you progress, then fine. You can set your expectations accordingly.

As observed, more often than not cases are not prosecuted to a hearing even when a court claim has been issued.

They huff and puff, and to be honest so do we. Just so long as you know.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on May 12, 2025, 12:07:37 pm
The point about making a complaint to POPLA about a flawed decision is not to get the decision reversed. POPLA will never reverse a decision, even when they admit that the decision was wrong. It is to get them to admit it and have any internal processes applied to get their assessors to re-educated.

Also, by establishing a paper trail which highlights any errors by POPLA, you then have valuable evidence that can be used in future, not just by yourself but people like us who often have to deal with this company in other cases.

The point about being pedantic about whether PoFA has Ben complied with, is that it is poorly written in certain aspects. However, there is one thing that is required, and that is full compliance with all the requirements of PoFA if the creditor wants to be able to transfer liability from the unknown driver to the known Keeper.

So, the example of implied obligation is flawed:


The invitation for the keeper to pay could be seen in the words 'you[the addressee and registered keeper] may pay or appeal'. The NTK also states 'the driver of the motor vehicle is required to pay this parking charge'.

Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of PoFA requires that the notice must invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charge. While the Act does not require any particular wording or the use of the word "invite" itself, it does require that the keeper be clearly and directly asked to make payment. Simply stating that “you may pay or appeal” is ambiguous and does not amount to a clear invitation for the keeper to pay. That phrasing offers two generic options without clarifying that the keeper, as opposed to the driver, is being asked to settle the charge.

Likewise, stating that the driver is required to pay does not assist in fulfilling the requirement, as it refers to a different party. An implicit obligation or assumption that the keeper understands they are being asked to pay is not enough. The Act requires a positive act of communication inviting the keeper to do so. If that is missing or unclear, the notice fails to comply with paragraph 9(2)(e)(i).

Just as someone cannot be partially or even mostly pregnant, a Notice cannot be partially or even mostly PoFA compliant. It is a binary matter. It either is, or it isn’t.

Whilst this point specifically has not been argued in court, and even if it were, it would not be binding anyway, I have argued it extensively with a district judge and have it on their authority that had it been argued as I have above, it would convince him that the Notice was not fully compliant with the Act.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on May 12, 2025, 11:23:22 am
Despite their difference of opinion, I'm not sure either of them are actually advocating that you do anything different at this stage. Now that the POPLA appeal is concluded, you are essentially waiting to see if Parkmaven decide to escalate to a court claim.

In the meantime, if any complaints etc. result in the matter being discontinued, great. With that in mind, there seems to be little harm in trying.

I don't think we've seen any cases where this exact point has been tested in court (mainly because the vast majority get discontinued, and the few that progress to a hearing often have multiple defence points at play). If the specific point were to be argued in court, I would speculate that the decision would depend somewhat on the judge on the day.

If it were me in receipt of the parking charge notice, I would stand my ground and fight the matter.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on May 12, 2025, 10:22:06 am
What strikes me is that you and b789 seem to have a wealth of experience, yet have pretty radically different points of view, with b789 arguing for a strict application of PoFA while you accept a much more lax approach, accepting that the "pay now or tell us who was driving" alternative which PoFA 9(2)(e) mandates is fulfilled in the NtK by merely writing "You can pay or appeal this charge"

Not sure what to do.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: H C Andersen on May 12, 2025, 08:53:07 am
The appeal to POPLA was unsuccessful. The OP can rattle cages in the form of a complaint or whatever but IMO these are baseless.

The invitation for the keeper to pay could be seen in the words 'you[the addressee and registered keeper] may pay or appeal'. The NTK also states 'the driver of the motor vehicle is required to pay this parking charge'.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on May 11, 2025, 10:40:06 pm
Are you suggesting that the grounds regarding PPSCoP, 9(2)(b), (e)(i) and (i) points have little merit ?
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: H C Andersen on May 11, 2025, 08:06:57 pm
The payment terms have nothing to do with the statutory warning as I posted. There could be some conflict if the payment period is greater than the mandatory warning trigger, but this does not apply.

I suggest this is a dead end and the OP look for a more substantive argument if they must.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on May 11, 2025, 07:07:47 pm
The NtK in question technically complies with Paragraph 9(2)(f) by including the correct statutory wording. However, it may still be non-compliant with PoFA as a whole because the notice introduces ambiguity by setting a prominent “payment deadline” that contradicts the PoFA-prescribed timeline. This undermines the effectiveness of the statutory warning and fails the test of clarity required under PoFA, rendering the notice unsuitable for transferring liability to the keeper.

Also, the NtK is misleading and non-compliant when judged against the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) and broader consumer protection principles. While it may quote the statutory wording required by Paragraph 9(2)(f), it also prominently demands payment “within 28 days of the date issued”, which contradicts both PoFA’s own deemed service rule (the day after two working days later) and Section 8.1.2(e) of the PPSCoP, which requires that motorists be given a minimum of 28 days from the date of receipt. This inconsistency introduces ambiguity as to the true deadline for payment and the point at which liability may be transferred to the Keeper.

Such ambiguity undermines transparency, breaches the PPSCoP, and renders the notice misleading in a manner likely to disadvantage or confuse the average consumer. Therefore, the notice should not be relied upon to establish keeper liability.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on May 11, 2025, 06:35:19 pm
I'm no expert but I feel like I have to analyse this like a high court judge.

Strictly speaking, the NtK complies with 9(2)(f) because, in the fine print on the 2ᶮᵈ page, the PoFA paragraph states exactly what it should:
You are advised that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given (which is presumed to be the second working day after the Date Issued), the parking charge has not been paid in full and we do not know both the name and current address of the driver, we have the right to recover any unpaid part of the parking charge from you.

The question is whether the prominent
PAYMENT TO BE MADE WITHIN 28 DAYS OF THE DATE ISSUED: BY 21/01/2025
at the top of the 1ˢᵗ page renders the NtK non-compliant, bearing in mind that the PoFA deadline was 6 days later.

The assessor's reasoning:
"there will be a reference to the dates the operator expects payment to be made. This is in the event the motorist does not wish to appeal the PCN and pays it. The timescales referred to in the PoFA paragraph are to transfer liability in the event the driver is not identified and are not for making payment."
makes little sense.

The 1ˢᵗ page statement appears to be contradictory but the law lists what the NtK must include, not what it must not.
Asking the keeper to pay before the PoFA deadline (without stating consequences) can't hurt. If on the other hand the 1ˢᵗ page had prominently mentioned a date beyond the PoFA deadline, while still quoting 9(2)(f) in the fine print, this could have tricked the keeper into unlawful territory. So I can see how this would be non-compliant whereas the misleading Parkmaven NtK complies.



On the other hand

9(2)(b) states that
The notice must (...) inform the keeper that (...) the parking charges have not been paid in full
I don't see that on the NtK.

9(2)(e) states that:
"The notice (...) must (...) invite the keeper
(i)to pay the unpaid parking charges; or
(ii)if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver
"
The NtK complies with 9(2)(e)(ii) bit, not (i) as far as I can see. The alternative "pay or tell us who the driver was" is nowhere to be seen. Incidentally, 9(2)(f) makes no sense without the correct 9(2)(e) wording.

Finally, 9(2)(i) states that:
The notice (...) must (...) specify the date on which the notice is sent (where it is sent by post)
and they only provide a date of issue (ie printing). On 24 December, this can make a difference. Maybe the whole Parkmaven office was on holiday from 24 afternoon.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: H C Andersen on May 11, 2025, 10:24:04 am
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PoFA para. 9 is often misunderstood.

IMO, as far as is relevant to the point trying to be made regarding non-compliance:

Payment period less than the 9(2)(f) trigger date is OK;
Payment period equal to the 9(2)(f) trigger is OK;
Payment period more than the 9(2)(f) trigger is not compliant.

9(2)(f) is a statement regarding a legal power, it is not a payment requirement as such. These are (b), (c) and (d).

That (f) is contingent upon, among other matters, full payment not having been made does not mean that other requirements which specify by when the creditor wants payment in accordance with the on-site contractual requirements must align exactly with this trigger but, as stated above, the payment period should not exceed the 9(2)(f) trigger date.

And it doesn't.



Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on May 10, 2025, 11:56:38 pm
Thanks.

I thought this rule appeared explicitly in their literature, but it does not.

They do say:
Assessors will make decisions based on:
- Relevant law
- The British Parking Association's code of practice
- Evidence provided by both parties


And further, they dare say: "Assessors have been trained on these areas and our decision-making guidelines. They have also passed an accreditation process following our training programme and receive regular internal quality audits as well as coaching and personal development."

Obviously very far from reality.


I've just written to my MP.

Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on May 10, 2025, 11:37:06 pm
It is a standard and fair principle in any adjudication process that if a party raises a prima facie valid point, and the opposing party fails to respond or rebut it, that point is ordinarily taken as conceded or accepted. POPLA's process is based on the written representations of both parties.

Therefore, where an appellant raises a challenge—such as a defect in the Notice to Keeper, lack of standing, or insufficient signage—and the operator fails to address or refute it in their evidence pack, the adjudicator must reasonably accept the appellant’s position as unchallenged. The burden rests with the operator to demonstrate the charge is valid and enforceable. If they fail to engage with a relevant appeal ground, they have failed to discharge that burden.

This aligns with general adjudicative practice and is reflected in past POPLA decisions where appeals were upheld on the basis that specific challenges went unanswered by the operator.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on May 10, 2025, 07:18:50 pm
POPLA sent a "how did we do ?" questionnaire. Lol
I did not use it as they have a complaint page on their website:
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Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on May 08, 2025, 09:33:30 pm
Thanks a lot for this.

The assessor is Gayle Stanton.

I agree with all your points and was amazed at none of the arguments were upheld.
I find 5 to be the most damning. Maybe the assessor considered that the points raised about  PoFA 9(2)(f), 9(2)(e)(i), the PPSCoP deadline breach and the BPA CoP error were ALL invalid...

Btw, I searched on the POPLA site but could not find reference to the "if an appellant raises a valid challenge and the operator does not respond to it, the appeal must be upheld" policy.

My MP is busy promoting legislation banning kitchen knives so not sure what he'll do here.

First time this happens to me. I'm learning.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on May 08, 2025, 08:55:32 pm
Court is not the most likely outcome. Whilst they will probably issue a claim, in due course, the odds of it actually ever reaching hearing are slim and even if it did, your case is strong.

Do not pay this. The POPLA decision is not binding on you. Which POPLA assessor came up with this tripe? It is not a secret and their names are in the public domain.

I would suggest a formal complaint to POPLA about this assessors utter lack of competence. It won't change the decision but it does establish a paper trail for formal complaints which can later be relied on as evidence of their failings.

There are five obvious failings by this assessor:

1. Misunderstanding of PoFA 9(2)(f)

The assessor wrongly asserts:

"The timescales referred to in the PoFA paragraph are to transfer liability… and are not for making payment."

This is incorrect. PoFA 9(2)(f) expressly governs the 28-day period within which the Keeper is liable unless the driver is named. That period starts the day after the NtK is given, as per 9(2)(f):

"Warn the keeper that if… after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given…"

A statement on the front of the NtK demanding payment by a date calculated from the issue date, not the day after the date of deemed delivery, is not PoFA-compliant. This is not about operator preference or flexibility—PoFA compliance is strict. The assessor erred in law by implying the misleading payment deadline has no bearing on keeper liability.

2. Total Ignorance of PoFA 9(2)(e)(i)

It was clearly explained that the NtK:

• Does not invite the Keeper to pay the charge.
• Merely demands that the driver pay and requests the Keeper to name them.

PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) requires an explicit invitation to the Keeper:

“State that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service and invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges.”

The assessor ignored this completely. There is no lawful basis for transferring liability if this required element is missing. POPLA failed to assess the core condition for keeper liability.

3. Dismissal of PPSCoP Breach as Irrelevant

PPSCoP 8.1.2(e) was referenced, which says:

“The recipient can appeal within 28 days of receiving the parking charge.”

And its Note 2 clarifies:

“…presumed to have been delivered on the second working day…”

Again, the assessor missed the point: The NtK’s deadline shortens the Keeper’s rights under the PPSCoP, a breach of the operative Code. Their statement that operators “may refer to payment dates” misses the central issue: the NtK actively contradicts the statutory wording, misleading the recipient.

POPLA’s own remit includes enforcing the current Code of Practice, and they failed to uphold this.

4. Failure to Require Landowner Contract With Sufficient Proof

ParkMaven’s evidence was challenged:

• Undated, unsigned, or post-dated signatures.
• Contradictory claims about confidentiality.
• Absence of confirmation that the signatory is the landowner or authorised agent.

The assessor ignored all this and instead relied on a generic “witness statement”, despite DVLA guidance and case law confirming that the contract must be current, valid, and sufficiently prove the operator’s legal standing.

Their logic that "the signage would have been removed if the contract wasn’t in force" is a laughable assumption not based on evidence.

5. POPLA Breached its Own Principles

The appeal stated:

"Under POPLA’s own appeal assessment principles, if an appellant raises a valid challenge and the operator does not respond to it, the appeal must be upheld."

That is a long-standing principle, repeated by assessors in countless past decisions. In this case:

• The operator did not address PoFA 9(2)(f)
• The operator did not rebut 9(2)(e)(i)
• The operator did not address the PPSCoP deadline breach
• The operator did not refute the BPA CoP error in their appeal response

The burden is on the operator to respond to every point. POPLA’s failure to apply this basic standard is a dereliction of duty.

Send the following complaint to POPLA:

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Subject: Formal Complaint Regarding Failed Appeal – Verification Code [INSERT CODE] – Escalation Required

To whom it may concern,

This is a formal complaint regarding the decision issued by POPLA under verification code [INSERT CODE] for a Parking Charge Notice issued by ParkMaven. This complaint must be escalated to the most senior level of POPLA management. I also confirm that it is being forwarded to my Member of Parliament due to the systemic failings this decision exposes.

Let me be clear: I am not writing this complaint in the expectation that the decision will be overturned. I am fully aware that POPLA does not permit assessors to reverse an appeal decision, no matter how legally flawed it is. That is itself part of the problem and will be raised with the relevant government department and Parliament.

I expect this complaint to be logged, responded to in writing, and used to review the training and competence of the assessor involved, who has demonstrated a complete inability to apply basic statutory requirements or read the appeal they were tasked to assess.

1. Blatant misinterpretation of PoFA 2012 – Paragraph 9(2)(f)

My appeal detailed that ParkMaven's Notice to Keeper (NtK) contradicts the statutory wording of PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(f) by demanding payment "within 28 days of the date issued" – a full six days earlier than legally allowed. This is not a minor technicality. It is a material legal failure.

PoFA is clear: the 28-day period begins "with the day after that on which the notice is given." "Given" means delivered, and PoFA 9(6) deems it to be two working days after posting. The NtK in this case was issued on 24/12/2024, with deemed delivery on 30/12/2024. The front of the NtK misleadingly sets the deadline as 21/01/2025 instead of the correct 27/01/2025.

This is an outright breach of PoFA. The assessor waved it away with the astonishing claim that payment deadlines "are just for those who do not wish to appeal" – as if the statutory provisions are optional. This statement is legally indefensible and demonstrates a lack of basic understanding of how liability is created under Schedule 4.

2. Ignoring the absence of PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) wording

I highlighted that the NtK does not contain the required invitation for the keeper to pay the charge, as mandated by PoFA 9(2)(e)(i). Instead, the NtK only demands payment from the driver and asks the keeper to name the driver if not them.

PoFA requires an express invitation to the keeper to pay the charge. The assessor completely ignored this point, made no reference to paragraph 9(2)(e)(i), and failed to engage with the most basic requirement for keeper liability.

This is not an oversight. It is a gross failure of professional standards by someone apparently untrained or unwilling to read and apply the law they are tasked with assessing.

3. Dismissal of PPSCoP breach and misrepresentation of transitional arrangements

I explained in my appeal that the NtK breaches the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), which has been in force since October 2024. Section 8.1.2(e) makes it crystal clear:

"The recipient can appeal within 28 days of receiving the parking charge."

The word "receiving" is not open to interpretation. The accompanying note defines it clearly as two working days after posting. Despite this, the operator falsely shortened the deadline to 21/01/2025. This is a material misrepresentation of the keeper's rights and a direct breach of the Code.

The assessor showed either ignorance or laziness by brushing this aside and claiming the PPSCoP only applies to signage until 2026. That is completely wrong. The signage deadline relates only to physical compliance by operators, not to the immediate obligations concerning transparency, wording, and deadlines in written communications.

This failure to understand the Code and apply its provisions brings POPLA’s own credibility into question.

4. Failure to uphold POPLA’s own standards regarding operator rebuttals

In at least five distinct areas of my appeal, the operator failed to respond:

• No rebuttal of PoFA 9(2)(f) or 9(2)(e)(i) points
• No response to the PPSCoP breach
• No defence of the use of the defunct BPA Code of Practice in the rejection letter
• No evidence justifying the misleading keeper liability claim
•No explanation for the flawed and post-dated contract provided as landowner authority

POPLA has long held that if an operator does not rebut a specific appeal point, the appeal should be upheld. Yet in this case, the assessor simply pretended that none of these failures occurred. That is dishonest, unacceptable, and contrary to POPLA’s own published assessment standards.

5. Acceptance of dubious “contract” evidence

I challenged the validity of the landowner authority. ParkMaven submitted a document:

• Signed five months after the contract was supposedly in force
• With no signature by ParkMaven
• With no verification of the signatory’s position
• While simultaneously claiming the contract was “too confidential” to disclose (and then disclosing it anyway)

The assessor accepted this without comment, justification, or applying a basic evidential standard. This undermines the fairness of the process and renders it a tick-box exercise unworthy of public trust.

Request for POPLA Management Action

This complaint must be passed to POPLA senior management. I expect:

• A written response explaining what went wrong in this case
• An explanation of what additional training or disciplinary review the assessor will undergo
• A confirmation that these failures will be raised internally and used to prevent recurrence

This complaint is being escalated to my Member of Parliament, not because POPLA has any regulatory or statutory function (you don’t), but because the public is entitled to expect basic competence from bodies purporting to offer an independent appeal service. This appeal was handled with a level of carelessness and legal illiteracy that is unacceptable, and it is important that decision-makers at a national level are made aware of the standards being applied behind the curtain of POPLA's “independence”.

POPLA is a private contractor, funded by the BPA, with no legal authority, no accountability mechanism, and no appeals process once a decision is issued. That makes it all the more important that decisions are made accurately, transparently, and lawfully the first time—none of which occurred here.

This complaint is not about overturning the outcome. I know how your process works. It is being made for the record, and to require a formal written explanation of:

• Why key appeal points were ignored or dismissed without engagement
• What corrective action, training, or accountability will follow
•Confirmation that this complaint is being reviewed by senior management, not just closed out by a front-line team

A copy of this email has been retained and will be used to inform others, including the press and advocacy groups, who are increasingly concerned about the quality, independence, and legal competence of POPLA’s decision-making.

Sincerely,

[Your Full Name]
[Your PCN Reference Number]
POPLA Verification Code: [Insert Code]
Email: [Your Email]
Address: [Your Postal Address]

And make a complaint about this to your MP.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on May 08, 2025, 02:49:20 pm
       Hi,

The POPLA appeal has been unsuccessful. They consider the NtK to be PoFA, PPSCoP compliant.

Assessor summary of your case
The appellant has raised the following grounds of appeal: • The contradiction in payment deadlines renders the Notice to Keeper Non-Compliant with Protection of Freedom Act 2012. • There is further Notice to Keeper Non-Compliance and the operator has not established driver liability and cannot hold the keeper Liable. • The Notice to Keeper contains misleading information, contradicting the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (Effective Since October 2024). • ParkMaven’s appeal rejection references a defunct BPA Code of Practice. • There is inadequate signage – No Contract Formed with the Driver. • There is no evidence of landholder authority. The appellant has expanded on their grounds of appeal in the comments and they say that the operator has not rebutted their grounds of appeal regarding PoFA compliance. They say that the evidence provided regarding landowner authority is not sufficient. The appellant has provided a document with their full grounds of appeal.

Assessor supporting rational for decision
When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. The operator has provided evidence of the vehicle parked on the site for one hour and 22 minutes on the day in question. The Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 is a law that allows parking operators to transfer the liability to the registered keeper in the event that the driver or hirer is not identified. Parking operators have to follow certain rules including warning the registered keeper that they will be liable if the parking operator is not provided with the name and address of the driver. In this case, the PCN in question has the necessary information and the parking operator has therefore successfully transferred the liability onto the registered keeper. In this case, it is not clear who the driver of the appellant’s vehicle is, so I must consider the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, as the operator issued the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) to the keeper of the vehicle. The operator has provided me with a copy of the notice to keeper sent to the appellant. I have reviewed the notice to keeper against the relevant sections of PoFA 2012 and I am satisfied that it is compliant. I will therefore be assessing keeper liability. I note that the appellant has mentioned that the timelines on the PCN are not PoFA compliant however it is important to be aware that there will be a reference to the dates the operator expects payment to be made. This is in the event the motorist does not wish to appeal the PCN and pays it. The timescales referred to in the PoFA paragraph are to transfer liability in the event the driver is not identified and are not for making payment. The appellant has advised that the operator has mentioned a defunct code of practice in the evidence pack. Whilst I understand what the appellant means this does not invalidate the reason for issuing the PCN. The appellant will need to contact the operator directly to discuss this. The sector Code of Practice has been jointly created by the British Parking Association (BPA) and the International Parking Community (IPC). It is largely based on the Government’s Private Parking Code of Practice, which was published in February 2022, and subsequently withdrawn in June 2022. The new Code came into force on the 1 October 2024. It is stipulated in the Code that the parking operator needs to comply with all elements relating to signage by 31 December 2026. Therefore, for any aspects of this case relating to signage, I will be referring to version 9 of the BPA Code of Practice. This is applicable for parking events that occurred from 1 February 2024. The British Parking Association (BPA) has a Code of Practice which set the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 19.3 of the code states that signs must be placed throughout the car park so that drivers have the chance to review the terms and conditions. The code confirms that these signs must be conspicuous and legible and written in intelligible language so that they are easy to see read and understand. The operator has provided a site map and multiple images of the signs within the car park and after reviewing these, I am satisfied that there are plenty of signs located within the car park and that these signs meet the requirements of section 19.3 of the Code of Practice. These signs advise that payment is required and that failing to pay will result in a PCN being issued. I note that the appellant states that they were unaware of the terms and conditions, however, it is important to note that the driver of the vehicle does not need to have read the terms and conditions of the contract to accept it. There is only the requirement that the driver is afforded the opportunity to read and understand the terms and conditions of the contract before accepting it. It is the driver’s responsibility to seek out the terms and conditions, and ensure they understand them, before agreeing to the contract and parking. Reviewing the photographic evidence of the signage on display at the site and the site map, I am satisfied that the driver would have walked or driven past at least one of the operator’s signs and as such, was afforded this opportunity. The appellant states that there is no landowner authority and to address this I will be referring to The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (The Code) which sets the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 14.1 of the Code states that where controlled land is being managed on behalf of a landowner, written confirmation must be obtained before a parking charge can be issued. In this case the operator has provided a witness statement and an enforcement agreement and I am satisfied that the operator has the authority to issue PCN’s on this site. The operator does not need to provide a full copy of the full contract as it may contain commercially sensitive information. While I note the appellant’s comments, from the information provided from the operator I am satisfied therefore, that the operator had sufficient authority on the date of the contravention. Furthermore, if authority had since been removed, it is likely that the landowner would remove the signage at the same time. Not many landowners would look on quietly while someone operates on their land without their permission. The evidence provided in relation to this appeal meets the criteria POPLA requires, and therefore I am satisfied that the operator has sufficient authority at the site on the date of the parking event. After considering the evidence from both parties the driver had parked on the site and did not obtain a valid parking session and therefore did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. Based on the evidence provided, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly therefore, I must refuse the appeal. This means the appellant is required to pay the full parking charge to the operator.


Was this to be expected ? I guess the next step is in court... :(
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on February 25, 2025, 07:02:02 pm
Oops, I read too quickly.
So their defence is very lousy.

I've posted the comments nd got this:
"Your appeal is now ready to be assessed and is currently in a queue waiting to be allocated. We expect to make a decision on your appeal 6-8 weeks from the point that the appeal was first submitted. The next communication that you will receive from us will be the decision on your appeal."

Thanks.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on February 25, 2025, 05:43:49 pm
Everything except signs in existing car parks must fully comply with all the requirements of the PPSCoP from October 2024. The signage compliance is required for all new car parks from October 2024.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on February 25, 2025, 03:28:49 pm
Only clause 17 applies from Oct 2024.
Where have you read that?

The BPA outlines that all aspects of the code must be complied with now, except for signage or other related clauses applicable to existing sites (source: https://www.britishparking.co.uk/Code-of-Practice-and-Compliance-Monitoring (https://www.britishparking.co.uk/Code-of-Practice-and-Compliance-Monitoring))

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Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on February 25, 2025, 03:15:16 pm
OK but I read on the BPA website on their PPSCoP page: "The Code permits a period of transition where ATA members will be required to meet the new standards in full by December 2026.". Only clause 17 applies from Oct 2024.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on February 25, 2025, 02:50:07 pm
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ParkMaven has not explained why they relied on an obsolete document rather than the correct and current PPSCoP.
Even more than that - they've doubled down and continued to reference the BPA Code of Practice in their evidence pack.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on February 25, 2025, 02:43:22 pm
Copy and paste the following response to the operators evidence into the POPLA webform. I tis under the 10,000 character limit and points out ParkMavens failure to rebut your appeal points and highlights the flaws in their evidence:

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The operator has completely failed to address the first point raised in my POPLA appeal regarding the contradiction in payment deadlines within the NtK. This is a fundamental issue, as the inconsistency highlights a failure to comply with PoFA.

The front of the NtK states the payment deadline is 28 days from the issue date, setting it to 21/01/2025. However, PoFA 9(2)(f) requires the 28-day period to begin from the day after the notice is given, which in this case would be 30/12/2024. The correct deadline is therefore 27/01/2025. The back of the NtK appears to follow the correct timeframe, creating a direct contradiction within the document.

This contradiction is misleading and legally significant. It can confuse the recipient and potentially shorten their legal rights under PoFA. PoFA requires clarity in all mandatory information provided in the NtK, and the operator’s failure to provide this undermines their claim.

The operator has not addressed this issue in their evidence pack. If they believed their NtK was compliant, they would have rebutted this argument and justified the wording. Their silence on this point indicates they have no valid defense. POPLA should treat their failure to engage with this issue as a concession that their NtK does not comply with PoFA, and that keeper liability cannot be enforced.

The operator has also failed to respond to the second key point raised in my POPLA appeal regarding the failure of their NtK to comply with PoFA, specifically the lack of a clear invitation to the keeper to pay, as required under PoFA 9(2)(e)(i).

PoFA requires that a NtK must clearly and explicitly invite the keeper to either pay the charge or provide the name and address of the driver. This is a legal requirement, not an optional inclusion. The operator cannot rely on implied obligation—the wording must be clear and unambiguous.

ParkMaven’s NtK states that the driver is required to pay the charge and tells the keeper to provide the driver’s details if they were not the driver. However, there is no legal obligation on the keeper to identify the driver.

PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) specifically requires the NtK to invite the keeper to pay the charge. It does not attach any conditions to that invitation, such as stating that the keeper must have been the driver. However, this NtK only explains what happens if the keeper was not the driver, without a direct invitation for the keeper to pay. This omission makes the NtK non-compliant with PoFA, meaning the operator cannot transfer liability to the keeper.

My appeal pointed out that ParkMaven’s NtK fails to include this required invitation. Rather than addressing this clear legal failure, the operator has entirely ignored the issue in their evidence pack. If ParkMaven believed their NtK was compliant, they would have provided direct evidence that their notice contains the required wording. Their silence on this point confirms that their NtK does not comply with PoFA.

The burden of proof lies with the operator to demonstrate that they have met all the necessary conditions to hold the keeper liable under PoFA. PoFA does not offer a selection of requirements from which an operator may pick and choose; it is a strict statutory framework that demands full compliance with every requirement set out in the Act. Partial compliance does not satisfy PoFA, and as a result, the keeper cannot be held liable.

The operator was required to provide strict proof that their NtK fully complies with all the requirements of PoFA, allowing them to lawfully transfer liability to the registered keeper. As already demonstrated, their NtK fails to meet the statutory requirements in several key areas. It does not correctly specify the statutory 28-day period for payment, as required under Paragraph 9(2)(f), and it also fails to include the mandatory invitation for the keeper to pay the charge, as required under Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). Since full compliance with PoFA is an absolute requirement for transferring liability, these failures render the NtK non-compliant, and liability cannot pass to the keeper.

Furthermore, if the operator wished to hold the registered keeper liable, they were required to provide strict proof that the person they are pursuing was, in fact, the driver on the date of the alleged contravention. The law does not allow inference that the registered keeper was the driver, and the burden rests entirely on the operator to provide evidence proving this. In VCS v Edward [2023], the court ruled that an operator must provide sufficient evidence to prove that the registered keeper and the driver are the same person. The operator has failed to provide any such evidence in their response pack.

The operator’s failure to rebut the specific PoFA non-compliance issues raised in my appeal, coupled with their failure to provide strict proof of the driver’s identity, means they have no lawful basis to pursue me, the keeper, for this charge. The absence of any meaningful response to these fundamental legal failures should be taken as a concession that their case is without merit. The appeal must be upheld, and the PCN must be cancelled.

The operator has completely failed to address Point 4 of my appeal, which highlights their clear breach of the PPSCoP. Instead of responding to this fundamental issue, they have remained silent, failing to justify or explain their non-compliance.

The NtK misleads by instructing to pay or appeal by 21/01/2025. However, under the PPSCoP, specifically Section 8.1.2(e) and Note 2, the correct appeal deadline is 27/01/2025, which is 28 days from the deemed receipt date of 30/12/2024. The PPSCoP makes it clear that a NtK sent by post is presumed to be delivered on the second working day after posting unless proven otherwise. By setting an incorrect deadline, the operator misrepresents the keeper’s rights and misleads them into believing they have less time to appeal than they actually do.

The operator’s failure to respond to this point means they implicitly accept that their NtK contains misleading information. They have not provided any explanation or justification for their failure to comply with the PPSCoP, nor have they attempted to correct the misrepresentation. Their silence on this matter should be taken as an admission that their demand was inaccurate and misleading.

Under POPLA’s own appeal assessment principles, if an appellant raises a valid challenge and the operator does not respond to it, the appeal must be upheld. The burden of proof lies with the operator to demonstrate compliance with the CoP and fairness in their communications. Their failure to do so means they have not discharged that burden, and the appeal should be allowed.

As this appeal point remains uncontested, the misleading NtK alone is sufficient to invalidate the PCN.

The operator has also failed to respond to my 5th appeal point regarding their misleading appeal rejection, which incorrectly referenced the outdated BPA CoP instead of the PPSCoP, which has been in force since October 2024. Rather than addressing this issue, they have remained silent, failing to justify their use of obsolete guidance.

The burden of proof is on the operator to demonstrate compliance with the relevant regulations. Their failure to respond suggests that they accept that their appeal rejection was based on an outdated and irrelevant CoP. The reference to §23.12 of the BPA CoP has no bearing on this case because the PPSCoP now governs all private parking operators. ParkMaven has not explained why they relied on an obsolete document rather than the correct and current PPSCoP.

The operator also failed to justify their misleading statement regarding Keeper liability. Their appeal rejection states that "if the keeper refuses to name the driver, we reserve the right to request payment from the keeper of the vehicle." This statement is incorrect and misleading because their NtK does not comply with PoFA, meaning they cannot transfer liability to the Keeper. The operator has provided no explanation or justification for making this false claim.

POPLA’s assessment must be based on the evidence presented. Since the operator has not refuted this key point, it remains unchallenged and uncontested. ParkMaven’s failure to adhere to the correct CoP and their misrepresentation of liability should be grounds to uphold this appeal. Given that this issue was raised in my appeal and ignored by the operator, I request that POPLA rule in my favour due to the operator’s failure to provide a legally compliant rejection and their misleading statements regarding Keeper liability.

I also challenged the operator to provide strict proof of landowner authority by means of a contemporaneous, unredacted contract showing their right to issue and enforce parking charges on the land in their own name. The operator has failed to do so, instead submitting contradictory submissions that raise serious concerns about the authenticity of their evidence.

The operator submitted an unsigned and undated witness statement, claiming that the Enforcement Agreement is confidential and "cannot be made public." However, they have provided the actual Enforcement Agreement, despite stating it could not be disclosed. This inconsistency suggests the operator may be fabricating or manipulating documents in an attempt to mislead the POPLA assessor.

The document provided as the Enforcement Agreement is not signed by the operator. The landowner or agent has only electronically signed it, with no mention of their position to verify their authority. The agreement allegedly started on 04/09/2023 and lasts for 4 years, yet the only signature is dated 27/02/2024—five months after the agreement allegedly came into force. This raises doubts about whether this agreement existed before the date of the signature. A properly executed contract would not contain such flaws, and without verified signatories, this document has no evidential value.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on February 25, 2025, 09:48:36 am
Hello,

These were screenshots so no signature save for one.
Here's a link to the pdf: Evidence pack (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lP9yzQIJ_5GzQkJ-8ZUq0pqtRRrlZxQF/view?usp=drive_link)
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on February 25, 2025, 01:40:48 am
Is the agreement they’ve shown, signed and dated? Can you host the documents they’ve sent and provide a link to them?
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on February 24, 2025, 11:55:59 pm
It seems Parkmaven is busy listing the provisions of PoFA and the code of practice they comply rahter than addressing the on-compliances raised in the appeal.
Also, they refer to the BPA code, not PPSCoP.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
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Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on February 24, 2025, 11:13:04 pm
Does their evidence pack contain their agreement with the landowner? If so, please show us those pages, unredacted.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on February 24, 2025, 11:01:10 pm
        Hello,

Parkmaven did not drop the case. POPLA has sent me their "Operator Information and Evidence".

Here's their summary:
"We submit this statement in response to the appeal lodged by Mr (kgw) concerning the Parking Charge Notice (xxxx) issued at The Centre Feltham Surfaceon 24-12-2024 . After reviewing the details of this case, we confirm that the PCN was issued correctly due to the motorist’s failure to pay for their parking session as required under the clearly stated terms and conditions of the car park. The signage at [Insert Car Park Name] is prominently displayed and communicates the terms and conditions for using the car park, including the requirement to pay for parking. These signs are strategically placed at the car park entrance and at multiple locations throughout the site to ensure visibility for all motorists. The signage includes details on the payment methods available, such as kiosks, app, phone, and specifies that failure to comply with the terms will result in the issuance of a Parking Charge Notice. To further enhance clarity, these signs are designed with large fonts and contrasting colours to ensure readability, even from a distance. Photographs of the signage, are attached as evidence, demonstrating their clarity, content, and placement. Our records show no evidence of payment being made for the vehicle registration number xxxx on the date in question. The vehicle entered the car park at 13:29:30 and exited at 14:52:11, as confirmed by our ANPR system or observation logs, with a total duration of 1hr 22min 41sec. This demonstrates a stay within the chargeable period. Despite the payment facilities being clearly indicated and fully operational, the motorist did not make the required payment, which constitutes a breach of the displayed terms and conditions. The Notice to Keeper (NTK) was issued in full compliance with the Protection of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012 and the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice. The NTK provides clear information about the reason for the charge and includes instructions regarding payment and the appeals process, ensuring complete transparency. The parking charge is a reasonable and proportionate measure to ensure compliance with the car park’s terms of use. Despite the motorist’s claims, no evidence has been provided to show that payment was made or that mitigating circumstances prevented adherence to the terms and conditions. In conclusion, the motorist failed to meet their obligation to pay for their parking session, despite the clear and ample signage located throughout the car park detailing the terms of use and payment requirements. As such, the PCN was issued correctly. We respectfully request that POPLA dismiss the appeal and uphold the PCN, as the evidence provided supports our position. Enclosed with this statement are the Enforcement Agreement, the Signage Plan, photographs of the signage, ANPR entry and exit records, payment system logs, the motorist's appeal, our appeal decision and a copy of the NTK for your review."

The [Insert Car Park Name] shows that they use a standard template."

There's a 41-page pdf attached, almost entirely focussed on demonstrating the quality and density of the signeage on site. It also addresses the contractual relationship with the landlord. There's nothing really about PoFA compliance except a few lines:

"After obtaining the keeper details from the DVLA using the KADOE service, a Parking Charge Notice
(PCN) was issued on 24-12-2024 via post. In line with the BPA Code of Practice paragraph 21.4a, a
notice sent by post is presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered and so "given"
on the second working day after the day on which it is posted.
The letter issued (attached) meet the requirements of PoFA 2012, schedule 4, paragraph 9.
Given this, as the appellant has failed to provide the full name and address for the Driver, we are
exercising our right to recover the unpaid parking charge from the appellant as the Keeper.
"

I now have 7 days to post comments.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on February 09, 2025, 08:42:55 pm
Appeal submitted....
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on January 30, 2025, 01:30:15 pm
It's already covered in point 4 of the suggested appeal I provided you. Re-read it!
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on January 30, 2025, 12:14:47 pm
Got it.
So you would not add my point about PPSCoP 8.1.2 e) breach ?
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on January 30, 2025, 12:07:43 pm
Don't overthink it at this stage. Let the POPLA assessor do their job. At some point, ParkMaven will submit an operators response/evidence pack which you will receive a copy of. The that is received, you can see whether they have rebutted your points.

They have to successfully rebut ALL the points. You only need to win on one of them. In their response pack, you will be able to see whether they have provided a valid response and you can then submit your own response, highlighting to the POPLA assessor where they have erred or failed to rebut your points.

Patience. POPLA are overloaded and the whole process can take several months.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on January 30, 2025, 10:04:51 am
Wow !

I would never have come up with such a comprehensive appeal in y wildest dreams. IT's amazing although you're almost giving them instructions on how to make their NtKs better.

In 2, you say: "The operator cannot simply rely on the fact that the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) is addressed to the Keeper to satisfy Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i)".
The header of the notice says:
NOTICE TO KEEPER
THIS PARKING CHARGE NOTICE SERVES AS YOUR NOTICE TO KEEPER
Poorly written but I gather that the notice is both a NtK and a PCN

In 3 b "I put the operator to strict proof that:" I suppose it's "either or" for the 2 items

In 4 I see that note 2 of PPSCoP says that:
"parking operators must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated".
We don't know whether the NtK was indeed posted on the 24th and there were a flurry of holidays so 27 Jan was the earliest possible end-of-appeal-period date. But, Parkmaven should have referred to proof of posting to substantiate their deadlines.
Furthermore, PPSCoP 8.1.2 e) states "the right to pay at the rate applicable when the appeal was made must
stand for a further 14 days from the date (subject to 8.1.2d) they receive notification that their appeal has been rejected
" but the rejection says that the discount was only open until 29 Jan, thereby breaching PPSCoP

6 I don't have pics from the site and I'm not sure Streetview is up to date
I see in PPSCoP that compliance of signage will only be required by 31/12/2026 so I guess they're OK if they comply with whatever rules were in force before PPSCoP

7 interesting but we know nothing and I see nothing in PPSCoP that requires Parkmaven to disclose anything
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on January 29, 2025, 03:43:43 pm
Here is format for a POPLA appeal you can use:

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APPELLANT: [Your Name]
PARKING OPERATOR: ParkMaven
POPLA VERIFICATION CODE: [Your Code]
PCN NUMBER: [Your PCN Number]

GROUNDS OF APPEAL:

1. Contradiction in Payment Deadlines Renders the NtK Non-Compliant with PoFA
2. Further Notice to Keeper (NtK) Non-Compliance
3. The Operator Has Not Established Driver Liability and Cannot Hold the Keeper Liable
4. The NtK Contains Misleading Information, Contradicting the PPSCoP (Effective Since October 2024)
5. ParkMaven’s Appeal Rejection References a Defunct BPA Code of Practice
6. Inadequate Signage – No Contract Formed with the Driver
7. No evidence of landholder authority

1. Contradiction in Payment Deadlines Renders the NtK Non-Compliant with PoFA

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) issued by ParkMaven contains a fundamental flaw that renders it non-compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), Schedule 4. This flaw relates to the specified 28-day period for payment or providing the driver’s details, as mandated by PoFA Paragraph 9(2)(f).

a. Contradiction Between the Front and Back of the NtK

The front of the NtK prominently states:

"PARKING CHARGE NOTICE AMOUNT: £100 PAYMENT TO BE MADE WITHIN 28 DAYS OF THE DATE ISSUED: BY 21/01/2025."

This instruction is legally incorrect under PoFA Schedule 4, which explicitly states that the 28-day period begins “from the day after the notice is given”. According to PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(6), the NtK is deemed to be “given” two working days after the date of posting, unless evidence shows otherwise. "Given" has the same meaning as "received" by or "delivered" to the Keeper.

The bold and most prominent wording on the front of the NtK is misleading and non-compliant with PoFA because the law requires the 28-day period to be calculated from when the notice is deemed given (received/delivered), not from the issue date.

PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(f) clearly states:

"Warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given"

Since the NtK was issued on Tuesday 24th December 2024, the actual date it is deemed to have been given (i.e., received/delivered) is:

Deemed delivery is Monday, 30th December 2024

The 28-day period must start from Tuesday, 31st December 2024, ending on Monday, 27th January 2025

By incorrectly starting the 28-day countdown from the issue date, Tuesday 24th December 2024, the NtK shortens the time legally afforded to the recipient. This misleading information is compounded by the fact that the back of the NtK, which references PoFA, appears to follow the correct timeframe. This results in a contradiction between the front and back of the notice, creating confusion and uncertainty for the recipient.

b. PoFA Requires Absolute Clarity

Under PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9, the NtK must provide all mandatory information in a clear and unambiguous manner. Contradictions within the NtK regarding such a fundamental matter as the payment deadline fail to meet this standard.

The wording on the front of the NtK, being the most prominent and immediately visible to the recipient, is misleading and does not comply with PoFA. This failure is critical because the keeper is entitled to understand exactly how long they have to respond to the notice, either by paying or providing the driver’s details.

c. Legal and Practical Significance of This Contradiction

This issue is not a trivial technicality—it is a critical compliance failure with significant legal consequences:

• The front of the NtK, being the first and most prominent information presented to the recipient, creates a false impression of the deadline. A reasonable person would act based on the incorrect instruction, potentially cutting short their legal rights.

• By providing conflicting deadlines, the NtK fails to meet the transparency and accuracy requirements under PoFA.

• A PoFA-compliant NtK is a prerequisite for transferring liability to the registered keeper. If the NtK fails to meet the strict wording and procedural requirements of PoFA, the operator cannot pursue the registered keeper for the parking charge.

2. Further Notice to Keeper (NtK) Non-Compliance

Under Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), the Notice to Keeper (NtK) must include a specific invitation to the keeper to pay the charge. This requirement serves to ensure that the keeper understands their liability and has a clear course of action.

The operator cannot simply rely on the fact that the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) is addressed to the Keeper to satisfy Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of Schedule 4 of PoFA. The law explicitly requires a clear and specific invitation for the keeper to either:

• Pay the parking charge, or

• Provide the name and address of the driver.

This is not an "implied" requirement; it must be explicitly stated. Merely inferring that the keeper is invited to pay because the notice is addressed to them does not meet the strict wording requirements of PoFA.

PoFA compliance requires specific wording. The law’s intention is to make the responsibilities of the Keeper clear and unambiguous. Phrases like "you are invited to pay this parking charge" or "you are required to do X, Y, Z" are examples of wording that PoFA expects.

If the notice only says, for example, "the charge must be paid" or "payment is required" without directly inviting the keeper to pay, this is insufficient under PoFA. The wording must link the keeper directly to the payment obligation in an unambiguous way.

The operator cannot claim keeper liability under PoFA if they fail to meet the explicit requirements of 9(2)(e)(i). This is a valid appeal (and defence) point, as courts and independent adjudicators should not rely on implied obligations instead of explicit compliance with statutory requirements.

3. The Operator Has Not Established Driver Liability and Cannot Hold the Keeper Liable

Under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), the operator may only hold the registered keeper liable for an unpaid parking charge if they fully comply with all the requirements outlined in Paragraph 9. As demonstrated in Sections 1 and 2 above, the NtK issued by Parkmaven is non-compliant with PoFA in the following critical ways:

• It fails to correctly specify the statutory 28-day period for payment or the provision of the driver’s details, as required under Paragraph 9(2)(f).

• It fails to include the mandatory invitation for the keeper to pay the charge, as required under Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i).

a. Keeper Liability Cannot Be Established Due to PoFA Failures

Since the operator has not complied with PoFA Schedule 4, they cannot transfer liability to the registered keeper.

b. The Operator Is Put to Strict Proof

I put the operator to strict proof that:

• They have fully complied with all the requirements of PoFA Schedule 4, allowing them to transfer liability to the registered keeper.

• The person being pursued (the registered keeper) was, in fact, the driver of the vehicle on the date of the alleged contravention.

c. No Presumption of Driver Liability

There is no presumption in law that the registered keeper was the driver. In VCS v. Edward [2023], it was ruled that the operator must provide sufficient evidence to prove that the registered keeper and the driver are the same person. Without such evidence, the registered keeper cannot be held liable for the charge.

Without evidence of the driver’s identity and given the clear PoFA non-compliance, the operator has no lawful basis to pursue me, the registered keeper, for this charge.

4. The NtK Contains Misleading Information, Contradicting the PPSCoP (Effective Since October 2024)

In addition to non-compliance with PoFA, ParkMaven’s NtK fails to comply with the new BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), which replaced the BPA Code of Practice in October 2024.

Section 8.1.2(e) of the PPSCoP specifically states:

"The recipient can appeal within 28 days of receiving the parking charge."

Furthermore, the PPSCoP clarifies in Note 2:

"A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose, ‘working day’ means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday, or a public holiday in England and Wales."

Since the NtK was issued on Tuesday 24th December 2024, the actual 28-day appeal period must start from the deemed delivery date of Monday 30th December 2024.

However, ParkMaven’s incorrect instruction to pay or appeal by Tuesday 21st January 2025 directly contradicts the PPSCoP and misleads the Keeper into believing that they have fewer days than they are legally entitled to.

This is a clear breach of the PPSCoP, and POPLA must uphold this appeal.

5. ParkMaven’s Appeal Rejection References a Defunct BPA Code of Practice

In their appeal rejection, ParkMaven erroneously quoted Section 23.12 of the BPA Code of Practice, which is no longer in force. The relevant paragraph states:

"As per section 23.12 of The BPA Code of Practice, the only information that is required of us when rejecting an appeal is to give clear direction on how to appeal to POPLA and to allow a reasonable amount of time for the motorist to pay."

However, the BPA Code of Practice was superseded by the PPSCoP in October 2024. Therefore, any reference to it is irrelevant.

ParkMaven’s rejection also falsely asserts:

"If the keeper refuses to name the driver, we reserve the right to request payment from the keeper of the vehicle."

This statement is misleading because ParkMaven’s own NtK fails to comply with PoFA. Since Keeper liability does not apply, they have no legal basis to demand payment from the Keeper.

6. Inadequate Signage – No Contract Formed with the Driver

The signage at the car park is inadequate, unclear, and fails to meet the standards set by the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP). For a contract to be formed, the terms and conditions must be prominently displayed, legible, and unambiguous. This is not the case here.

The operator has not provided evidence that the signage is clear enough to form a contract with the driver. The signs in this car park are not sufficiently prominent or legible, particularly near the location where the vehicle was parked and along the route taken by the driver when they exited and re-entered the car park.

I put the operator to strict proof of the following:

• The specific location of all signage within the car park, including maps and photos.

• Evidence that signs near where the vehicle was parked are clearly visible and legible.

• Confirmation that the driver passed these signs and had the opportunity to read and agree to the terms.

• Evidence that the signs comply with the PPSCoP.

Without this evidence, it cannot be established that the driver was made aware of or agreed to any contractual terms.

7. No evidence of landholder authority
 
The operator is also put to strict proof, by means of contemporaneous and unredacted evidence, of a chain of authority flowing from the landholder of the "relevant land" to the operator. It is not accepted that the operator has adhered to the landholder's definitions, exemptions, grace period, hours of operation, etc. and any instructions to cancel charges due to complaints. There is no evidence that the freeholder authorises this operator to issue parking charges or what the land enforcement boundary and start/expiry dates are, nor whether this operator has standing to enforce such charges in their own name rather than a bare licence to act as an agent ‘on behalf of’ the landowner.

The operator is also put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice. As this operator does not have proprietary interest in the “relevant land” then I require that they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the landowner. The contract and any 'site agreement' or 'User Manual' setting out details including exemptions - such as any 'genuine customer' or 'genuine resident' exemptions or any site occupier's 'right of veto' charge cancellation rights - is key evidence to define what this operator is authorised to do and any circumstances where the landowner/firms on site in fact have a right to cancellation of a charge. It cannot be assumed, just because an agent is contracted to merely put some signs up and issue Parking Charge Notices, that the agent is also authorised to make contracts with all or any category of visiting drivers and/or to enforce the charge in court in their own name (legal action regarding land use disputes generally being a matter for a landowner only). Witness statements are not sound evidence of the above, often being pre-signed, generic documents not even identifying the case in hand or even the site rules.

A witness statement might in some cases be accepted by POPLA but in this case I suggest it is unlikely to sufficiently evidence the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement.

For the reasons stated above, the Parking Charge Notice issued by Parkmaven is unenforceable
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on January 29, 2025, 02:29:02 pm
I have no such intention  8)
... and I found the POPLA code
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on January 29, 2025, 02:23:05 pm
Are you tempted to pay a speculative invoice from an unregulated company just because it offers a 40% discount? Why?

If a private company just sends you an invoice for anything, do you just pay it because it offers a discount?

It is known as the "mugs discount" because they expect most recipients to be "mugs" who are swayed by the discount rather than the reason they received a speculative invoice in the first place. A bit like the market seller who offers you something and then entrances you with how much of bargain you are getting as they reduce the original amount with a one off bargain discount.

Ignore the mugs discount.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on January 29, 2025, 02:18:30 pm
Can't put my hand on the POPLA code anyhow  :(
Please note that, in their appeal rejection letter, Parkmaven mention 29 Jan as the last day to pay "only" £60.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on January 29, 2025, 02:15:02 pm
Updated draft:

"I’ve received a Notice to Keeper issued on 24/12/2024 by Parkmaven who allege that my car registered xxxxxx was parked without a valid parking session on 17/12/2024 at “The Centre Feltham Surface”, a site operated by Parkmaven.

The front of the Notice to Keeper prominently states:

        “PAYMENT TO BE MADE WITHIN 28 DAYS OF THE DATE ISSUED: BY 21/01/2025”.

This instruction contradicts the statutory requirement under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(f), which mandates that the keeper be informed that they have 28 days from the day after the notice is deemed to be given (served) to either pay the charge or provide the driver's details. According to PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(6), a Notice to Keeper is deemed to be served two working days after posting, meaning the 28-day period must start after this deemed service date.

The instruction on the front of the Notice to Keeper, however, misleadingly demands payment within 28 days of the issue date, which shortens the legal timeframe available to the keeper.

To prove this, we need to follow the legislation step-by-step:
the Notice to Keeper was issued on Tuesday 24/12/2024
Wednesday 25/12/2024 was a bank holiday (Christmas)
Thursday 26/12/2024 was a bank holiday (Boxing day)
Saturday, 28/12/2024 and Sunday, 29/12/2024 were a weekend (not working days)
Therefore, the next working day after the Notice to Keeper was issued was Friday, 27/12/2024 (counting as Day 1) and the following working day (Day 2) was Monday, 30/12/2024.

So, according to PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(6) the Notice to Keeper is deemed to have been given (served) on Monday, 30th December 2024.

The 28-day period to appeal or pay started the day after the notice is deemed to have been given. So, the 28-day period began on Tuesday, 31st December 2024. The deadline for Appeal or Payment was at the end of 28 days counting from 31st December 2024.

So the final day of the period was Monday, 27th January 2025 inclusive, not Tuesday 21st January as stated on the Notice to Keeper.

As established in Excel Parking v. Smith [2017] and Brennan v. Premier Parking Logistics [2023], a Notice to Keeper must strictly comply with the wording and timeframes set out in PoFA. Any deviation from these requirements, particularly where it misleads the recipient, renders the notice non-compliant.

Therefore, Parkmaven cannot rely on the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4, paragraph 4 to transfer liability to me as the keeper of the vehicle.
"
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on January 29, 2025, 02:11:37 pm
Don't send anything yet. You have plenty of time to prepare and send the POPLA appeal.I will work a bit more on it.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on January 29, 2025, 12:36:23 pm
OK. Thanks I didn't know they needed to be spoonfed the obvious, but I will.
So there's an issue with PPSCoP as well. What paragraph (couldn't find it) ? Should I even mention it ?
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on January 29, 2025, 11:23:51 am
You have to consider that the POPLA assessors can be is thick or even moronically when it comes to calculating dates. As you are pointing out that the NtK is not compliant on dates in relation to both PoFA and the PPSCoP, you may want expand on how you show the errors in the NtK with the following:

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The operators NtK erroneously and unlawfully states very boldly on the front that the payment is to be made by Tuesday 21st January 2025 (21/01/2025).

In order to show why this date is wrong we need to determine when the Notice to Keeper (NtK) is deemed to have been given (received) and when the 28-day appeal or payment period begins, we follow these steps:

1. Issue Date:

• The NtK was issued on Tuesday, 24th December 2024.

2. Deemed Delivery (PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(6))

• The notice is deemed to be given two working days after the issue date.

• Non-working days (bank holidays and weekends) do not count.

Wednesday, 25th December 2024 (Christmas Day) → Bank Holiday

Thursday, 26th December 2024 (Boxing Day) → Bank Holiday

Saturday, 28th December 2024 and Sunday, 29th December 2024Weekend (not working days)

The next working day is Friday, 27th December 2024 (counting as Day 1).

The following working day (Day 2) is Monday, 30th December 2024.

So, the NtK is deemed to be given on Monday, 30th December 2024.

3. Start of 28-day Period

• The 28-day period to appeal or pay starts the day after the notice is deemed to be given.

• So, the period begins on Tuesday, 31st December 2024.

4. Deadline for Appeal or Payment (End of 28 Days)

• Counting 28 days from 31st December 2024, the final day of the period is Monday, 27th January 2025.

Final Answer

The NtK is deemed to be received on Monday, 30th December 2024.

The 28-day appeal or payment period runs from Tuesday, 31st December 2024, to Monday, 27th January 2025 (inclusive).
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on January 29, 2025, 10:22:49 am
Hello,

Finally, I took the time to put together a draft for my POPLA appeal:

"I received a Notice to Keeper from Parkmaven who allege that my car registered xxxxx was parked without a valid parking session on 17 Dec 2024 at “The Centre Feltham Surface”, a site operated by Parkmaven.

The front of the Notice to Keeper prominently states:
             “PAYMENT TO BE MADE WITHIN 28 DAYS OF THE DATE ISSUED”.

This instruction contradicts the statutory requirement under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(f), which mandates that the keeper be informed that they have 28 days from the day after the notice is deemed to be given (served) to either pay the charge or provide the driver's details.

According to PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(6), a Notice to Keeper is deemed to be served two working days after posting, meaning the 28-day period must start after this deemed service date.

The instruction on the front of the Notice to Keeper, however, misleadingly demands payment within 28 days of the issue date, which shortens the legal timeframe available to the keeper.

As established in Excel Parking v. Smith [2017] and Brennan v. Premier Parking Logistics [2023], a Notice to Keeper must strictly comply with the wording and timeframes set out in PoFA. Any deviation from these requirements, particularly where it misleads the recipient, renders the notice non-compliant.

Therefore, Parkmaven cannot rely on the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4, paragraph 4 to transfer liability to me as the keeper of the vehicle."

Suggestions welcome before I send this to POPLA. Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on January 15, 2025, 03:48:34 pm
They'd have rejected either way.

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I need to repeat what you've just wonderfully explained about the 28 day mistake.
Ideally your POPLA appeal will be more detailed. The audience is not ParkMaven, but a POPLA assessor with no prior knowledge of the case. Although they should be well trained, assume they know nothing, and lead them to each point clearly, explaining exactly why ParkMaven cannot recover the charges from you as the keeper.

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PS: I suppose eventually they'll get their NtKs right. What happens then ?
They've had since 2012 so I'd be surprised if they get it right any time soon. We'll pass that bridge when we come to it.
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on January 15, 2025, 03:09:33 pm
            Hello,

OMG, I DID make a cut and paste mistake and left SmartParking ! That may explain the rejection although I have a feeling that the letter I received was almost automatic.

I'm not sure how POPLA appeals work but I suppose I need to repeat what you've just wonderfully explained about the 28 day mistake.

PS: I suppose eventually they'll get their NtKs right. What happens then ?
Title: Re: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: b789 on January 15, 2025, 02:11:14 pm
Did you make a mistake? I sincerely hope you edited that appeal to reflect that it was ParkMaven and not Smart parking you were referring to:

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Smart Parking has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. Smart Parking have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN."

Not to worry. You now have a POPLA code which is valid for 33 days from the date of the appeal rejection. You will appeal based on another ParkMaven appeal I put together earlier today.

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) issued by ParkMaven is non-compliant with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) due to a contradiction in the payment deadline specified on the notice.

The front of the NtK prominently states: “Payment to be made within 28 days of the date issued”. This instruction contradicts the statutory requirement under PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(f), which mandates that the keeper be informed that they have 28 days from the day after the notice is deemed to be given (served) to either pay the charge or provide the driver's details.

According to PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(6), a Notice to Keeper is deemed to be served two working days after posting, meaning the 28-day period must start after this deemed service date. The instruction on the front of the NtK, however, misleadingly demands payment within 28 days of the issue date, which shortens the legal timeframe available to the keeper.

While the back of the NtK attempts to reference the correct timeframe, the most prominent instruction on the front is incorrect and legally misleading. The contradictory timeframes create confusion for the recipient and breach the requirement for clarity and transparency under PoFA.

As established in Excel Parking v. Smith [2017] and Brennan v. Premier Parking Logistics [2023], a Notice to Keeper must strictly comply with the wording and timeframes set out in PoFA. Any deviation from these requirements, particularly where it misleads the recipient, renders the notice non-compliant.

Therefore, the operator cannot rely on PoFA to transfer liability to the keeper.

Show us what you think you'll be sending as your POPLA appeal.
Title: Parkmaven NtK and unsuccessful appeal
Post by: kgw on January 15, 2025, 10:17:18 am
    Hello and happy new year to all,

I've received an NtK dated 24 Dec 2024 (see below) for failing to notice signs and pay at an ASDA. The driver was willing to pay the "discounted" £60 but, since the 14 days had just elapsed, I opted to appeal.

Compared to other NtKs seen on this forum, Parkmaven have added a PoFA paragraph on page 2 probably to address shortcomings of their previous NtKs.I was advised on another thread parkmaven-pcn-st-nicholas-tolentino-bristol-received-3-months-later (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/parkmaven-pcn-st-nicholas-tolentino-bristol-received-3-months-later/msg47571/#msg47571) that this additional paragraph did not change the fact that Parkmaven's NtKs are not fully PoFA compliant.

So I sent out on 13 Jan what seems to be the typical appeal:
"As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Smart Parking has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. Smart Parking have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN."

Parkmaven acknowledged and I have received their reply this morning. It seems to be a standard rejection letter which ignores the grounds I have laid out:

"Dear Mr xxxx,
Re: Parking Charge Notice Number 2xxxxx (Vehicle: xxxxx)
Site: The Centre Feltham Surface
Issue date: 24/12/2024
POPLA Code: 57xxxxxxxx
Total amount due: (£60.00 until 29/01/2025)
(£100.00 until 12/02/2025)

Thank you for your appeal against the above Parking Charge Notice (PCN). We have carefully considered your
appeal; however, on this occasion, the appeal has been declined.

As you have failed to provide details of who was driving vehicle xxxxx at the time of the contravention, we will continue to pursue you for the outstanding parking charge as per Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Please note that PoFA is applicable in England and Wales so if the keeper refuses to name the driver, we reserve the right to request payment from the keeper of the vehicle.

As per section 23.12 of The BPA Code of Practice, the only information that is required of us when rejecting an appeal is to give clear direction on how to appeal to POPLA and to allow a reasonable amount of time for the motorist to pay.

Failure to notice parking signs clearly displayed both at the entrance and throughout the car park does not
authorise your vehicle to park.

As per the signage which is clearly displayed throughout the car park: By parking within the car park, you are
agreeing to abide by the terms and conditions of the Parking Contract. Failing to pay, or otherwise validate your vehicle for the full duration of your stay is therefore failing to comply with the Parking Contract, and as such means you accept liability to pay the fee for unauthorised parking.

You have now reached the end of our internal appeals procedure and therefore you now have two options; you can
either pay or appeal to POPLA - you cannot do both.

You can pay the total amount due as shown above via the following website:
       https://parkmaven.ec6pay.com

Or, you can appeal to an Independent Appeals Service, POPLA (Parking on Private Land Appeals) using the POPLA Reference code provided above.

Please note, should you decide to appeal to POPLA and your appeal is subsequently rejected, or you decide to
withdraw your appeal, the option to pay a discounted amount will no longer be available and the full amount of the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) will become due.

If you decide to appeal to POPLA, you will need to visit their website, where further details of how to appeal (either online or by downloading the relevant forms) can be found. If you are unable to access their website, please call us for further information on how to obtain the forms. Please ensure that your POPLA reference number as noted above is quoted on all correspondence to POPLA.

POPLA WEBSITE:
www.popla.co.uk

You have 28 days from the date of this letter to submit an appeal to POPLA; if you appeal to POPLA we will
suspend recovery activity on the PCN and the charge will not increase past the full amount until the appeal
has been determined.

By law we are also required to inform you that Ombudsman Services provides an alternative dispute resolution
service that would be competent to deal with your appeal. However, we have not chosen to participate in their
alternative dispute resolution service. As such should you wish to appeal then you must do so to POPLA, as
explained above.

OMBUDSMAN WEBSITE:
www.ombudsman-services.org

If you do not make payment or submit an appeal to POPLA within the relevant timeframe, the outstanding PCN
may be passed to our appointed debt collection agency for further action. All costs associated with this process will
be added to the outstanding amount.

Yours sincerely,
Appeals Department
ParkMaven Ltd
"

Did I make a mistake ?
What can I do at this stage ?

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