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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: fafner on January 06, 2025, 06:31:25 pm

Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: b789 on October 16, 2025, 11:01:06 pm
Send the following email in response to info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC yourself:

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Subject: Response to your Letter of Claim Ref: [reference number]

Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of the evidence your client places reliance upon, putting it in clear breach of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

As a supposed firm of solicitors, one would expect you to comply with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions exist to facilitate informed discussion and proportionate resolution. You may wish to reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), require the exchange of sufficient information to understand each other’s position. Part 6 clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.

Your template letter refers to a “contract” yet encloses none. That omission undermines the only foundation upon which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It is not possible to engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue while you decline to furnish the very document you purport to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with para 3.1(a), I shall seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required. Accordingly, please provide:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) and any notice chain relied upon to assert PoFA 2012 liability.

2. A copy of the contract you allege exists between your client and the driver, being an actual photograph of the sign(s) in place on the material date (not a stock image), together with a site plan showing the sign locations.

3. The precise wording of the clause(s) allegedly breached.

4. The written agreement between your client and the landowner evidencing standing/authority to enforce and to litigate.

5. A breakdown of the sums claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and whether the £70 “debt recovery” add-on includes VAT.


I am entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction, and I require it to meet my own obligation under paragraph 6(b).

If you fail to provide the above, I will treat that as non-compliance with the PAPDC and Pre-Action Conduct and will raise a formal complaint to the SRA regarding your conduct. I reserve the right to place this correspondence before the Court and to seek appropriate sanctions and costs (including, where appropriate, a stay and/or other case management orders).

Until your client complies and provides the requested material, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim or to consider my position. It would be premature and a waste of costs and court time to issue proceedings. Should you do so, I will seek immediate case management relief pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order compelling provision of the above.

Please note, I will not engage with any web portal; I will only respond by email or post.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: fafner on October 16, 2025, 07:55:15 pm
DCB Legal have finally decided to send out their letter


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Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: b789 on May 16, 2025, 07:27:28 pm
Either way, it really does not matter. The POPLA decisions not binding on you and has no bearing on anything going forward.

I will place a £100 bet that if you follow the advice, this will pan out as follows...

You ignore all the useless debt recovery letters as the debt collectors are powerless to actually do anything except to try and make the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree pay up out of ignorance and fear. You can safely ignore all DRA letters and we don't need to know about them.

Eventually, you will receive a Letter of Claim from DCB Legal which you should show us and after that, an N1SDT Claim Form from the CNBC, which must be responded to.

After defending the claim, it will eventually be struck out or discontinued.

You may want to complain to POPLA about the mention of some unrelated name in their appeal rejection. It raises the possibility that the assessor was looking at the wrong appeal when making their assessment.
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: DWMB2 on May 16, 2025, 04:24:26 pm
Presumably the ones in reply #7? Please share a copy of the appeal you drafted based on these comments.
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: fafner on May 16, 2025, 04:21:19 pm
The appeal consisted of b789's recommended comments
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: DWMB2 on May 16, 2025, 04:10:20 pm
Can you please show us your POPLA appeal? I've just scrolled up and can see UKPC's evidence pack, and your rebuttal comments, but not the actual POPLA appeal.
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: fafner on May 16, 2025, 04:04:46 pm
Well, surprise surprise, the appeal has been unsuccessful. Here is their predictable, pathetic response. Interesting that they have stated the name of a Registered Keeper who is not actually the Registered Keeper, nor any connection to the vehicle whatsoever - I have replaced that person's name with "************" and have no idea who the person is. Furthermore, the claim that "the appellant did not raise any issues with the signage as part of their grounds of appeal to POPLA" is demonstrably false:

Decision  Unsuccessful

Assessor Name  (I have removed this)

Assessor summary of operator case  The parking operator has issued the parking charge notice (PCN) due to exceeding the maximum stay time of one hour and 30 minutes.

Assessor summary of your case  The appellant has raised the following grounds of appeal in detail: • They say that the PCN was not issued correctly under the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), as the deemed delivery date was 9 January 2025 however, a final reminder letter was issued on 24 December 2024 to state the PCN is valid as 14 days has elapsed. • They say that the 28-day period also had not even reached halfway when the parking operator made them liable for the parking charge. • They say that the parking operator has also made a procedural error of the Private Parking Code of Practice when it comes to issuing to debt recovery. In their comments to the parking operator’s evidence, the appellant has expanded on their grounds of appeal in extensive detail, stating that while the Notice to Keeper is technically compliant, breaches of PofA have occurred as the parking operator has already made the keeper liable before the 14-day period has elapsed in its final reminder letter. In their further comments to the parking operator’s case file, the appellant has challenged the signage in extensive detail. Including that it is inadequate, unreadable, and incapable of forming a contract

Assessor supporting rational for decision  When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. The parking operator has provided photographs of the signs, stating that the maximum stay time on the site is 90 minutes, and failure to comply with the terms and conditions will result in the issue of a £100 PCN. The Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 is a law that allows parking operators to transfer the liability to the registered keeper in the event that the driver or hirer is not identified. In this case, it is not clear who the driver of the vehicle was on the date of the parking event. As such, I must consider the requirements of PoFA, as the parking operator issued the PCN to the Registered Keeper of the vehicle. Parking operators have to follow certain rules including warning the registered keeper that they will be liable if the parking operator is not provided with the name and address of the driver. In this case, the PCN in question has the necessary information and as the driver’s details have not been provided as part of the appellant’s initial appeal to the parking operator, the parking operator has successfully transferred the liability onto the registered keeper. As such, I will be considering ************’s liability for the parking charge as the registered keeper. Whilst I note the parking operator issued a final reminder letter to the registered keeper within the 28-day period, and the possibility of debt collection recovery is mentioned, this does not invalidate the issue of the PCN. Had the appellant provided the driver's details within their appeal to the parking operator, it will have needed to pursue the driver, as the details would have been provided within the relevant timescale, however this was not done. If the appellant believes that administration errors have taken place when it comes to the parking operator’s correspondence, they would have to escalate these points with the parking operator directly. This information will be available on the parking operator’s website. Having considered the ANPR images provided by the parking operator, the vehicle remained on the site for an additional 54 minutes, which was beyond the maximum stay time of 90 minutes and therefore, the PCN has been issued. In their further comments to the parking operator’s case file, the appellant has challenged the signage in extensive detail. Including that it is inadequate, unreadable, and incapable of forming a contract. Whilst I appreciate the appellant’s extensive comments, this section is for providing comments and not for raising new grounds of appeal. As the appellant did not raise any issues with the signage as part of their grounds of appeal to POPLA, I am unable to consider these new grounds. POPLA’s role is to assess if the parking operator has issued the charge in accordance with the conditions of the contract. As the terms and conditions of the car park have not been met, I conclude that the parking operator has issued the PCN correctly, and the appeal is refused.
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: fafner on March 13, 2025, 12:25:43 pm
Thank you so much for this, I appreciate it very much. The point about UKPC's threat of debt recovery alone is a very strong one and this act from them is actually very serious, as I am fairly sure that this would come under Blackmail and Demanding Money with Menaces
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: b789 on March 13, 2025, 05:36:56 am
Here is a suggested rebuttal of UKPCs operator evidence that you can copy and paste into the POPLA webform which is well within the 10,000 character limit:

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POPLA Appeal Rebuttal – UK Parking Control Ltd (UKPC) Evidence Pack

This rebuttal completely dismantles the operators evidence which is riddled with fraudulent claims, exposes their deliberate misrepresentation of the facts, and proves beyond doubt that their signage is incapable of forming a contract. UKPC are attempting to deceive the POPLA with blatant lies and fabricated compliance claims, and their own evidence proves it.

1. UKPC’s Own Evidence Proves Their Signage is Inadequate, Unreadable, and Incapable of Forming a Contract

UKPC claims their signage conforms to the BPA Code of Practice and the PPSCoP. That is an outright lie. Their own evidence pack proves their signage is non-compliant and unenforceable.

No entrance signage. Their own site plan confirms there is no sign at the actual entrance where the fact that there are terms signs. Instead, drivers are expected to notice two tiny, poorly placed signs after they have already entered the land.

Unreadable terms. The appellant’s photos show that the terms signs are completely unreadable even when standing inches away and craning to look up at them. UKPC’s own photos fail to show a single readable sign from a normal viewing distance. The font size is microscopic, meaning the driver could not have read the terms even if they wanted to. Contract law is clear: if the terms are not clearly brought to the attention of the driver, they do not form a contract.

Simply providing stock images of their signs in their evidence pack does not mean that the actual signs are as readable in situ, high up on a pole. This is simply an attempt to mislead and deceive POPLA that just because their signs contain some terms therefore makes them valid. This is completely disingenuous.

Obstructed signage. UKPC’s own CCTV images prove that trolleys and crates were created an obstruction where their supposed "entrance sign" is actually located at the time of the visit. The driver could not have seen it because they would have had to negotiate the obstruction rather than try and crane their neck and look up a random sign beyond the entrance to the car park, meaning no contract could have been accepted.

UKPC’s Evidence Proves They Do Not Comply With the BPA Code of Practice or the PPSCoP – Their Own Site Plan Exposes Their Lies

UKPC makes the outrageous claim that their signage conforms to the BPA Code of Practice and the PPSCoP. That is blatantly false, and their own evidence proves it.

Both the BPA Code of Practice and the PPSCoP explicitly state that at least one sign containing the full terms and conditions must be visible from within a vehicle, so that disabled motorists can make an informed decision about whether to park.

BPA Code of Practice Section 9 states:

“So that disabled motorists can decide whether they want to use the site, there must be at least one sign containing the terms and conditions for parking that can be viewed without needing to leave the vehicle. Ideally, this sign must be close to any parking bays set aside for disabled motorists.”

PPSCoP Section 4.1 states:

“The parking operator must ensure that at least one sign containing the terms and conditions for parking can be viewed without the driver needing to leave the vehicle, in order for drivers with a disability to be able to make an informed decision on whether to park at the premises.”

Now let’s look at UKPC’s own site plan...

The site plan clearly shows there are four disabled bays near the entrance, but not a single sign is positioned where it can be read from within a vehicle. There is no large-print signage, no high-visibility sign, and nothing that meets the accessibility requirement.

UKPC’s own evidence proves they do not comply with either the BPA Code of Practice or the PPSCoP. Their claim of compliance is a blatant and demonstrable lie.

2. UKPC’s Procedural Failures Have Invalidated Keeper Liability Under PoFA

UKPC issued a Notice to Keeper that was technically PoFA compliant. But then they proceeded to completely undermine PoFA by issuing a Final Reminder that falsely claimed Keeper liability weeks before they could legally enforce it.

Key PoFA Deadlines:

- NtK Issue Date: Tuesday 10th December 2024
- Deemed Delivery Date: Thursday 12th December 2024 (two working days later)
- 28-day PoFA Keeper Liability Window Ends: Thursday 9th January 2025

Despite this, UKPC falsely claimed the Keeper was already liable in their Final Reminder on 24th December 2024, stating:

"As 14 days have lapsed, you, the Registered Keeper of the vehicle, can be made liable for the Parking Charge."

That is blatantly mendacious.

- The Keeper could not legally be held liable until 9th January 2025.
- UKPC falsely claimed liability started on 24th December 2024.
- Keeper liability had not even reached halfway when UKPC lied and said it had already been established.

This is a serious PoFA breach, meaning the charge is unenforceable against the Keeper.

3. UKPC’s Fraudulent Threat of a Fake £70 Debt Recovery Fee

UKPC’s Final Reminder also includes a fraudulent debt recovery threat, stating:

"If full payment is not made within 14 days, or if we are not provided with the driver’s details, the charge will be passed to debt recovery and a debt recovery fee of £70 will be added."

- Final Reminder issued: 24th December 2024
- 14-day deadline expires: 7th January 2025

However, UKPC could not legally hold the Keeper liable until 9th January 2025.

This means:

- UKPC threatened debt recovery before they had any legal right to do so.
- They falsely implied that a £70 fee would be added if the Keeper did not pay by 7th January 2025.

This is a deliberate attempt to intimidate the Keeper into early payment using fake deadlines and misleading legal claims. UKPC has deliberately attempted to deceive the Keeper into paying early by falsely representing PoFA timelines. This is procedurally and ethically unacceptable and a clear breach of fair trading laws.

Conclusion

UKPC’s case completely collapses under the weight of their own evidence.

- Their signage is inadequate, unreadable, obstructed, and incapable of forming a contract.
- Their own site plan proves they do not comply with the BPA Code of Practice or the PPSCoP.
- Their Final Reminder falsely claimed Keeper liability weeks before it could legally apply.
- They fraudulently threatened debt recovery and a fake £70 charge before they had any legal right to do so.

UKPC’s evidence pack contains clear misrepresentations, and their claims are demonstrably false. If POPLA chooses to disregard these facts, it would raise serious concerns about the impartiality of the appeals process and suggest complicity in these deceptive practices.

This appeal should be upheld, and the Parking Charge Notice should be cancelled.
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: fafner on March 12, 2025, 10:21:30 pm
As expected, UKPC rejected the appeal, citing a load of predictable logical fallacies for their basis. I submitted a POPLA appeal and stated the procedural deficiences. UKPC have now offered their evidence to the appeal as follows:

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They also included the following signage plan:

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Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: b789 on February 05, 2025, 01:19:16 pm
So, they are going to reject any appeal and provide a POPLA code for a secondary appeal to the not so independent POPLA. You will have to convince POPLA that the signage is inadequate and that the Notice to Keeper (NtK) is deficient or that their procedure was deficient.

Whilst their NtK was PoFA compliant, there is a glaring deficiency in their process which has invalidate any Keeper liability...

Under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), a Keeper cannot be held liable unless the parking operator fully complies with the statutory requirements.

Key Dates:

NtK Issue Date: Tuesday, 10th December 2024

Deemed Delivery Date: Thursday, 12th December 2024 (two working days later, as per PoFA 9(6) and PPSCoP 8.1.2)

PoFA Paragraph 9(2)(f) states that the Keeper can only be held liable if the charge remains unpaid after 28 full days have elapsed from the presumed delivery date of the NtK.

Since the NtK was deemed delivered on Thursday 12th December 2024, the 28-day period runs:

Start Date: Friday 13th December 2024

End Date: Thursday 9th January 2025

Therefore the Keeper cannot be liable under PoFA before Thursday 9th January 2025.

UKPC issued a Final Reminder on Tuesday 24th December 2024, stating:

"As 14 days have lapsed, you, the Registered Keeper of the vehicle, can be made liable for the Parking Charge."

This is completely incorrect and does not comply with PoFA which makes UKPCs actions procedurally incorrect.

UKPC have unlawfully claimed the Keeper was liable on Tuesday 24th December 2024. In reality, the Keeper could not be held liable until Thursday 9th January 2025.

The 28-day period had not even reached halfway when UKPC made this false claim. This is a procedural failure and a clear misrepresentation of PoFA.

Another issue is UKPC's false deadline for debt recovery...

Final Reminder Issue Date: Tuesday 24th December 2024. The Final Reminder states that:

"If full payment is not made within 14 days, or if we are not provided with the driver’s details, the charge will be passed to debt recovery and a debt recovery fee of £70 will be added."

14 days from 24th December 2024 is Friday 7th January 2025. However, the Keeper cannot legally become liable under PoFA until Sunday 9th January 2025.

This means that UKPC is threatening debt recovery action and additional charges before the Keeper can even be held liable for the charge. This is an undeniable procedural failure of the PPSCoP and a misrepresentation of PoFA.

Just to make is absolutely clear why this is a major procedural breach... PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(f) clearly states that the Keeper cannot be held liable until 28 days after the presumed delivery of the NtK. The Final Reminder deadline given by UKPC: Tuesday 7th January 2025. This means UKPC is threatening to escalate the charge and add a fake £70 fee two days before they can even hold the Keeper liable.

This is a clear case of UKPC falsely representing the Keeper’s liability in an attempt to pressure payment early. It is misleading, unfair, and non-compliant with both PoFA and fair trading practices.

What UKPC have done wrong is that they should not have issued a Final Reminder stating that the Keeper is already liable on 24th December 2024. They should not have set a 14-day deadline from 24th December 2024, as it expired before the Keeper could legally be held liable and they should not have threatened debt recovery escalation before 9th January 2025.

So, when the appeal rejection comes through, you will have to send UKPC a formal complaint about their procedural failures and you will also be able to raise these in your POPLA appeal.
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: fafner on February 04, 2025, 10:36:17 pm
Sorry for the late reply. I sent them what I wrote in the original post
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: b789 on January 08, 2025, 01:32:10 pm
Can you please show us the wording of your UKPC appeal?

I can guarantee that whatever was in it, it will be rejected.
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: fafner on January 08, 2025, 01:28:55 pm
The way I would have dealt with this typically is to basically stuff their process and deal with them directly, not recognising their 'appeal' system and bypassing it. However, as the usual advice is to just go through the processs and as I have some personal stuff going on in my life right now and so am not firing on as many cylinders as I would be ordinarily, I figured it probably better to just go through the motions and get the help from you guys along the way. As the deadline was upon me I've just sent in my stance to UKPC's 'appeal' system using the info and photos I laid out above
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: b789 on January 08, 2025, 11:06:34 am
So, do you want to bother with the operator and the POPLA appeals process or simply wait for the inevitable claim which will eventually be discontinued?
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: fafner on January 07, 2025, 06:24:46 pm
I definitely am and I know better than most how to deal (and not deal) with debt collectors - I used to work for one of the biggest a long time ago so I know only too well what they can/can't do. I've also taken on far bigger fish than UKPC and DCB Legal. I don't take any messing from people like this
Title: Re: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: b789 on January 07, 2025, 04:20:41 pm
Welcome. UKPC signs are always rubbish. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) is PoFA compliant so the Keeper could be liable if the drivers identity is not provided.

However, should this go as far as a clam in the county court, as long as it is defended, they will eventually discontinue. Your choice is to either pay it if you feel it is a valid invoice or you can choose to fight it with our assistance and advice.

Any initial appeal is going to be rejected by UKPC. POPLA is also likely to reject but a few assessors have been known to agree that UKPCs signage is utterly rubbish and they have upheld appeals on that fact alone.

If POPLA reject the appeal, that is not the end of the process. A POPLA decision is not binding on the appellant. UKPC would try and harass the Keeper with useless debt collector letters. You must never, ever, respond to or communicate with a useless debt collector. They are not a party to the contract allegedly breached by the driver and cannot do anything, no matter how threatening they may seem. Ignore them.

In due course, you would receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) from their bulk litigator of choice, DCB Legal. After that, an N1SDT Claim Form from the CNBC will arrive. This must be responded to.

As long as the claim is defended (with our assistance) they will eventually discontinue and that will be the end of the matter.

Are you up for the fight?
Title: UKPC – Overstay parking charge – McDonald's, Ardwick, Manchester
Post by: fafner on January 06, 2025, 06:31:25 pm
On Saturday 7th December my vehicle was parked in McDonald's car park in Ardwick, Manchester. I, the registered keeper have received the attached parking charge notices through the post. I realise that it's late to be posting here, however I have been away.


I appreciate that the vehicle does appear to have overstayed. However, I contest that the signage is insufficient and unclear. I have since visited the location on foot and took the attached photographs that clearly show that there are no signs at the point of entry and two poorly placed signs above head height along the left-hand wall at the point after which a vehicle has entered the land. I contest that it would be unreasonable for a driver to drive safely and keep one's eyes on the road in front while at the same time be expected to attempt to turn one's head to read a sign that is above head height and would require a distraction from driving in order to read, especially given that pedestrians cross at this point. Furthermore, it would be impossible for a driver to be able to read the second sign along this wall which outlines the potential charges, as the writing is too small and it is too far away.


There are no signs at all at the point of entrance to the car park itself around the back of the building.


On this day and at the time of the vehicle visiting McDonald's, the rain was torrential so no signs could be seen clearly due to their poor placement and small writing. Furthermore, as can be seen from the CCTV image of the vehicle, there were what appear to be trolleys and crates in front of the exact location of the "90 Minutes Maximum Stay" sign. The driver claims that the sign simply was not visible due to a combination of the poor placement of the sign, obstruction and poor visibility due to the torrential rain.


Additionally, in the "final reminder" letter, I do not believe that a private company should be citing any potential concequences as a result of court action. Such things are for to a court decide and I believe that a private company to be citing such things could be viewed as misrepresentation.


Given all of the above, I do not believe that I should be liable to make the "requested" payment.


Here is the Google Maps location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/yeaKJsys6i6HtqqB8


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