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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Jimo2024 on December 27, 2024, 03:03:14 pm
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This is a contravention and unless there's a PCN issue the discount beckons.
The CEO shouldn't have taken a pic of that sign - as said it's irrelevant and had no enforcement. There is another way of preventing verge parking using authorised no verge waiting or stopping signs but yellow lines also do the job where they don't want you to also park on the carriageway.
Only other point is if they've only started enforcing without warning.
(https://i.ibb.co/JnT10hs/Screenshot-2024-12-29-at-14-59-51.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/VQ7xss8/Screenshot-2024-12-29-at-14-59-35.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/cYCjQ13/Screenshot-2024-12-29-at-14-59-22.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/m6NkTtP/Screenshot-2024-12-29-at-15-00-05.png)
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Doesn’t matter.
The law changed a few years ago. The days of people getting out of penalty charges because the lines are slightly damaged or T bars are missing are long gone.
If the average person would look at them and think “those are two yellow lines” then they’re enforceable, even if they’re faded.
It’s called Substantial Compliance.
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Also the yellow line is in poor condition and there are no end points showing.(https://imgur.com/a/ZxdBRvl)
(https://imgur.com/a/ZxdBRvl)
https://imgur.com/a/ZxdBRvl
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Thanks for your reply.
https://imgur.com/a/88Umshp
https://imgur.com/a/ZRomXO4
I am interested about the extent of the property that is applicable. In this case the road is alongside a field, so presumably you can't get a ticket for parking on the field?
Also the sign that is supposed to say no parking on the verges is snapped in half and is not seen until you carry on down the road for 30m or so. I posteda link above to this.
(https://imgur.com/a/fzmfqjm)
The sign is not a traffic sign, the double-yellow lines are enough on their own. There's nothing to stop you submitting representations of course. You have the right in law to take the council all the way to adjudication but I don't think you would win, that's all.
HOwever, wait a bit and see what others say, but don't lose any deadlines on the PCN.
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Thanks for your reply.
https://imgur.com/a/88Umshp
https://imgur.com/a/ZRomXO4
I am interested about the extent of the property that is applicable. In this case the road is alongside a field, so presumably you can't get a ticket for parking on the field?
Also the sign that is supposed to say no parking on the verges is snapped in half and is not seen until you carry on down the road for 30m or so. I posteda link above to this.
(https://imgur.com/a/fzmfqjm)
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Well, sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but the double-yellow lines are sufficient on their own to define the restriction of No Parking 24x7. DYLs apply to the whole road and that includes footways and verges up to the property line. Whether you were causing an obstruction is totally irrelevant. We see lots of cases where motorists park off the carriageway where there are yellow lines and are shocked at getting a PCN. There may be a technical appeal argument based on council mismanagement of the enforcement process, or fatal errors on the PCN itself. Please therefore post all pages of the PCN for inspection.
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(https://imgur.com/a/fzmfqjm)
https://imgur.com/a/fzmfqjm
Location
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VJnNh1TJQLj2uM2t5
Picture
https://imgur.com/a/qTXR1dc
Picture of half a sign the council is using to backup the pcn
https://imgur.com/a/SHKxICe
Parked here from 1135 until 1309 as far as I am concerned I was off the highway altogether and was not causing any sort of obstruction.
Sign has been broken and is now incomplete.
Parking ticket is barely legible owing to faded ink as shown in picture however I think it must say 01 parked in a restricted street during the prescribed hours. There was no signage talking about hours or any other signage for that matter on my approach from the west.