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Live cases legal advice => Speeding and other criminal offences => Topic started by: adamh02 on December 19, 2024, 09:55:43 pm

Title: Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: b789 on December 22, 2024, 04:18:00 pm
Thank you for the clarification. I fully understand that these are not civil proceedings, where my limited expertise lies.
Title: Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: NewJudge on December 22, 2024, 03:46:50 pm
I think you misunderstand the situation.

These are not civil proceedings and Merseyrail has not threatened to prosecute him, they already have done so. Adam02's understanding is also somewhat flawed:

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...and will be taken to a magistrates if I don’t plead guilty.

His case already rests with the Magistrates. The Single Justice procedure is part of the Magistrates' Court.

As well as that, for the reasons I've stated, I don't think the term "owner" comes into play at all. The Bylaw he has been charged under can only be laid against the "person in charge of the vehicle" and Merseyrail have no idea who that was.
Title: Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: b789 on December 22, 2024, 02:56:28 pm
My only experience of these Penalty Notices are through those that are issued by either APCOA or SABA, both unregulated private parking companies, not authorities oin any way. In those cases, I believe that the PN issued is nothing of the sort. It is merely an “offered contract” (civil) that fraudulently uses unlawful language threatening criminal prosecution in an attempt to extort money from the recipients who are more likely to simply pay at the discounted rate out of ignorance.

For many years, these two private companies, with the cooperation and encouragement of the BPA and POPLA have issued hundreds of thousands of these fake PNs and I have never seen one prosecuted in the magistrates court. Many do go to POPLA for secondary appeal and as long as the recipient does not reveal the identity of the driver and quotes PoFA 3(1), POPLA will uphold the appeal. Not that they have any right to adjudicate on a PN issued as a criminal matter. However, in the vast majority of these cases, that will only happen when the appellant has received advice here or over on MSE forums.

Until now, the advice given to recipients of these fake PNs were told to string  it out through the POPLA appeals process and they would “time out” after the 6 month statute of limitations. I do not believe this to be the case as the PN is not real and neither of the two unregulated private companies would dare try an actual prosecution in their own name as they are not authorities and the PNs do not state the name of the actual authority (TOC/TfL/Network Rail etc.) in whose name the PN has been issued or that they are authorised to issue them.

In several recent POPLA appeal cases, we put APCOA to strict proof that they had a valid contract with the relevant authority to issue PNs in APCOAs own name. As is usual with POPLA, they would accept a signed statement that a valid contract existed rather than require them to produce the actual contract. However, in a couple of cases, the contract was revealed and in both of those cases, APCOA had no authority to issue PNs, only PCNs under civil contract law.

I now advise anyone receiving these fake PNs from unregulated private parking companies to simply ignore all correspondence from them and the debt collectors. Neither APCOA nor SABA can prosecute an “offered contract” in the magistrates court nor in the civil court. It is simply a very profitable scam for them to make money from the gullible recipients of the fake PNs.

This is the first time I have dealt with an actual PN issued under railway Byelaws and has educated me to the prosecution process under the SJP. For this reason, this thread was moved from the Private Parking forum to here.

It has always been a bone of contention over on the private parking forums the use of the word “owner” in the Byelaws. As noted, there is no defined term for “owner” when dealing with these cases under civil contract law. In PoFA there is only the Keeper/Hirer or the Driver. The unregulated private parking companies abuse the civil process by arguing that as their notice is a PN issued under those railway Byelaws, they are allowed to sue the Keeper as the “Owner”. They can’t, because the PN is nothing of the sort except a fraudulent use of language that would never be allowed in a PCN which is nothing but an invoice issued under civil contract law. An “offered contract” cannot be sued over because there is no legal obligation on anyone to accept an “offered contract” in the first place.

I would hope that @adamh02 would challenge this real PN because Merseyrail does seem to be abusing the process by threatening a criminal prosecution for an alleged minor parking contravention. Merseyrail and possibly a few other TOCs do abuse the Byelaws by using 24(1) which is very intimidating to recipients of a real PN, never mind fake ones from UPPCs.

Being the argumentative person that I am, I’m tempted to go to the location and get issued a PN by Merseyrail as I am local to the area, just so as I can go through the process and challenge it based on the arguments already discussed.
Title: Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: NewJudge on December 22, 2024, 01:39:48 pm
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I have been advised by a solicitor friend with knowledge of this that the OP should send the following to the Merseyrail prosecutor:

Your solicitor friend should know that the defendant can ask for whatever he likes but, before entering his plea, he has no right to anything other than the “Initial Details of the Prosecution Case” (IDPC). Rule 8.3 sets out what constitutes the IDPC and it is for the prosecution to determine what material to include:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/759/rule/8.3

You will note particularly, para (b)(iii):

…any written witness statement or exhibit that the prosecutor then has available and considers material to plea, … [my emphasis]

If he wants anything else which has not been provided by then, I believe he must make that known at his first hearing.

As far as the second part of her recommended letter goes, I would not include that at all. It is effectively giving notice to the prosecution (at least as far as point (1) is concerned) of a deficiency in their case. I’d be more inclined to simply let them present that deficient case and then ask the court to rule on it.

Of course raising it now may persuade them to discontinue when they realise their error. But it may possibly spur them to address that deficiency (though quite how they might do that is a bit hard to fathom).

As well as this, I’m not too sure whether it is necessary to raise the issue of “ownership” at all. The charge sheet clearly states the charge is under Bylaw 14(2). This can only be laid against the “person in charge of the vehicle”. Merseyrail simply don’t know who that was.

A criminal charge against the “owner” can only be laid under Bylaw 14(4) and I’m not so sure it can in any event. 14(4)(i) simply states that  “The owner of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance used, left or placed in breach of Byelaw 14.1 to 14.3 may be liable to pay a penalty as displayed in that area.”

Whilst Bylaw 24.1 says that "Any person who breaches any of these Byelaws commits an offence and...may be liable for each such offence... I think 14.4 must be an exception. 

Bylaws 14.1 to 14.3 all place liability for compliance with the person in charge of the vehicle. To add a fourth section which simply transfers that liability to the owner may be all well and good as far as civil parking matters go (I wouldn't know for sure). But there is a considerable difference between charging a person with a criminal offence for which they have not been responsible by virtue of an act or omission, and raising a penalty charge against that same person.

In short, I believe they can only raise a criminal charge under 14(2) and that must be against the person in charge of the vehicle. They don’t know who that was and have no powers to force anybody to tell them. I believe if this went to trial it would fall at half time.

There is only one thing which concerns me. These bylaws are not unique to Merseyrail and are in fact published as a common document entitled "Railway Bylaws". So they are obviously used by all train operators. With that in mind, if my summary of the situation is correct, surely by now somebody would have realised that criminal charges where the statement of facts mentions "rightful owner", "registered owner" and suggesting details of those have been obtained from the DVLA (who don't hold them) are unlikely to succeed.

So have I go it right?
Title: Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: roythebus on December 21, 2024, 12:18:25 am
Pedant hat on,"Further, it is stated in byelaw 14(4)(i) that the owner of a vehicle may be liable to pay a penalty ..."  My italics, may be liable, not will be liable.

Has the OP mentioned in any correspondence that he was the driver at the time? It's vital that he doesn't admit anything!
Title: Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: b789 on December 20, 2024, 07:05:25 pm
I have been advised by a solicitor friend with knowledge of this that the OP should send the following to the Merseyrail prosecutor:

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By email to Enforcement@merseyrail.org

FAO: Deborah Warham
The Prosecutor
Merseyrail Electrics 2002 Limited

Subject: Request for Disclosure Under CPR 8.2 – Case Reference [Insert Case Number]

Dear Ms Warham,

I write in reference to the charge filed against me under Merseyrail Byelaw 14(2), as outlined in the Single Justice Procedure Notice dated 17th December 2024.

Under Criminal Procedure Rule 8.2(2), I am entitled to request details of the evidence the prosecution intends to rely on in this matter. I kindly request the following:

1. A copy of the evidence that forms the basis of the charge, including:

• Photographs or CCTV footage of the alleged parking contravention.
• Copies of signage or notices displayed at the car park at the time of the alleged contravention.
• A copy of the issued penalty notice.
• Any witness statements or reports.

2. Details of how the prosecution intends to prove the following elements:

• That I am the "owner" of the vehicle as defined by the byelaw, given that the DVLA V5C document states that it does not prove ownership.

• That the instructions or notices referred to in the charge were clear, enforceable, and visible.

3. Any other material the prosecution intends to rely on in support of its case.

This request is made to assist me in understanding the case against me and making an informed decision about my plea and defence.

I would appreciate receiving the requested materials by [Insert Date, typically 14 days from the date of the letter]. If there are any delays or issues in providing this information, please let me know promptly.

Yours faithfully,
Title: Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: NewJudge on December 20, 2024, 06:19:21 pm
Whilst I quite agree that virtually all other parking matters have been decriminalised and I see no reason why railway companies should have recourse to criminal law, as it stands they do and the OP is where he is. He has been charged with a criminal offence and he must deal with it.

In some respects that has its advantages because the burden of proof is so much greater. As well as that, if I am correct, I think Merseyrail are on a sticky wicket.
Title: Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: b789 on December 20, 2024, 05:51:23 pm
Another element of the defence, in my opinion, would be some comments in a DfT response to POPLA back in 2018 when they queried whether they were allowed to offer a secondary appeal service to Penalty Notices issued by APCOA (and SABA), unregulated private parking companies, for alleged breaches of bylaw 14 at railway stations.

Whilst the issue of PNs issued by APCOA is a separate matter and one I am campaigning on because, as far as I am aware, any PN issued by APCOA is not only fake but fraudulent because it is nothing more than an "offered contract" and they have no power to bring a prosecution in the magistrates court and are therefore using unlawful language to pressure the recipient into payment into APCOAs coffers, not the public purse.

Anyway, I digress... the DfT stated the following:

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The Railway Byelaws 2005 ("the Byelaws"), which regulate the use and parking of vehicles in railway station car parks, permit ticketing. Under byelaw 14(3), a person using a railway station car park must pay the parking charges which are levied by the operator.
Further, it is stated in byelaw 14(4)(i) that the owner of a vehicle may be liable to pay a penalty if it has been used, placed or left in contravention of byelaws 14(1) to (3). The ability to render a charge under byelaw 14(4)(i) is distinct from the general enforcement power in byelaw 24(1), under which a person can be prosecuted in the Magistrates Courts.

It would seem to me, that the DfT does not expect minor parking offences, which have been decriminalised since the Road Traffic Act 1991 was introduced, to be prosecuted under bylaw 24(1) which is the case here. Of course, this is in reference to an unregulated private parking company issuing a Penalty Notice. As far as I can interpret the meaning is that they expect minor parking infringements to be dealt with using the civil process and issuance of a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) which is a contractual matter and not a criminal one.

For anyone interested in the DfT interpretation, I attach a link to a copy of the POPLA/DfT exchange:

Byelaws - POPLA Position and DFT Response (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7jjh9c4om8tseij25sw4p/Byelaws-POPLA-Position-and-DFT-Response.pdf?rlkey=fkj6l3cnamqswskecssyioly1&st=3fmbmf5c&dl=0)

Title: Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: NewJudge on December 20, 2024, 03:38:45 pm
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14.4 In England and Wales

(i) The owner of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance used, left or placed in breach of Byelaw 14.1 to 14.3 may be liable to pay a penalty as displayed in that area.

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This section seems relevant.

Very possibly.

It seems that offences under s14.2 can only be committed by the person in charge of the vehicle. But s14.4 extends that liability to "the owner".

The statement of facts says that Merseyrail applied to the the DVLA for details of the "rightful owner" and in reply they are said to have received details of the "registered owner". As above, the DVLA does not keep details of vehicle owners - "rightful", "registered" or otherwise - and nor, so far as I know, does anybody else.

If the OP is to defend this, I think that aspect of the prosecution is probably the one most likely to succeed. At trial, the railway company will have to prove that he was the owner of the vehicle on the relevant date. I don't see how they will do that and (assuming they have not) at the closure of their case he can ask the court to consider that there is "no case to answer."

If that is successful, where and in what manner the car was parked will not be relevant.

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Having reviewed the Byelaws, there are only three mentions of the word “owner” and none of them are defined. It may be worth arguing that without a definition, perhaps the term is not definitive enough?

The court could decide on its own definition of "owner". But Merseyrail clearly state that they got details of the "Registered Owner" from the DVLA. This is nonsense because the DVLA do not hold that information. All they have are details of the Registered Keeper and his offence can only be committed by either the person in charge of the vehicle or its owner.

Even if ownership could be proved, it introduces problems. Mrs NJ and I own our car jointly. It was bought with joint funds, paid for from a joint bank account and we have a bill of sale in joint names. Even in the unlikely event they could establish this, who would Merseyrail prosecute in our circumstances? Both of us?

I have to say I am surprised that Merseyrail should use the terms "Registered Owner" and "Rightful Owner" - or indeed "owner" for these purposes at all. They would hopefully be aware that they cannot obtain the details of the owner of a vehicle very easily - if at all. I don't understand why they did not use "Registered Keeper." This is well understood and tightly defined.
Title: Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: b789 on December 20, 2024, 02:09:05 pm
Having reviewed the Byelaws, there are only three mentions of the word “owner” and none of them are defined. It may be worth arguing that without a definition, perhaps the term is not definitive enough?

Does anyone have an opinion on how that fact relates to the burden of proof required in order to hold the “owner” liable? How does the prosecution evidence ‘ownership’ if all they are relying on is the fact that the vehicle has been registered with the DVLA by the defendant when the V5C specifically states that it does not prove “ownership”, only that the named person is responsible for registering and taxing the vehicle.

As this is a criminal matter, we are not dealing with the ‘balance of probability’. The prosecution would have to prove ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ that the ‘keeper’ is also the ‘owner’. How do they do that when all they are relying on is the fact that the defendant is the registered keeper?

Unless there is a legal definition of “owner”, ie. the person who ‘purchased’ or ‘financed’ the vehicle, it does not necessarily have to be the ‘keeper’ or ‘driver’, both of which are legally defined terms, at least when it comes to civil contractual matters.
Title: Re: Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: DWMB2 on December 20, 2024, 09:32:58 am
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14.4 In England and Wales

(i) The owner of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance used, left or placed in breach of Byelaw 14.1 to 14.3 may be liable to pay a penalty as displayed in that area.
This section seems relevant.

I'm moving this to the criminal forum as the OP is being charged with a criminal offence.
Title: Re: Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: b789 on December 20, 2024, 02:28:40 am
An additional point to consider, which often crosses the mind of the defendant in these cases is "what if the judge (or magistrate in this case) asks me whether I was the driver?

In criminal proceedings, such as your case under Merseyrail Byelaw 14(2), the defendant cannot be compelled to confirm whether they were the driver. In criminal law, a defendant has the right to remain silent and cannot be forced to self-incriminate. This means you cannot be compelled to state whether you were the driver at the time of the alleged offence. The burden of proof lies entirely with the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you were the driver (i.e., the person "in charge" of the vehicle).

The prosecution must prove that the vehicle was parked in contravention of the byelaws. Also, that you, specifically, were the driver or person in charge of the vehicle at the time. If the prosecution cannot provide evidence (e.g., witness testimony, photographs, or other admissible proof linking you to driving the vehicle), they fail to meet the criminal standard of proof.

In certain civil and traffic matters, the registered keeper may be required under Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 to provide the identity of the driver when asked (e.g., for speeding on public roads). However, his does not apply in cases prosecuted under railway byelaws. There is no equivalent obligation under the Merseyrail Byelaws to identify the driver.

In some criminal cases, if a defendant refuses to answer a question or provide certain evidence, the court can draw an adverse inference under Section 34 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. However, this applies only if the defendant later relies on something in their defence that they previously refused to disclose. In your case, you are not obligated to prove anything or provide evidence identifying yourself as the driver.

So, if you were not the driver and the prosecution cannot prove who was driving, this creates reasonable doubt, which should lead to an acquittal. If you were the driver but choose to remain silent, the prosecution must rely on other evidence to prove their case.

You cannot be compelled to state whether you were the driver in this case. The prosecution must prove it. If they fail to provide sufficient evidence linking you to the offence, the court cannot convict you. This could form a strong part of your defence, particularly if their case relies solely on you being the registered keeper of the vehicle.
Title: Re: Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: adamh02 on December 20, 2024, 01:32:15 am
Thank you very much for taking time to write out your detailed response. This has provided me with a lot of insight which I didn’t previously have.
Title: Re: Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: b789 on December 20, 2024, 01:20:30 am
It's a pity you discarded the original (Penalty or Parking) Charge Notice (PCN). If you are able to obtain a copy or duplicate, it would help your case.

Since your case is being prosecuted under Merseyrail Byelaw 14(2) as a criminal offence, the prosecution must prove the allegations beyond a reasonable doubt. This means they need strong, clear evidence to demonstrate that:

1. You violated the operator's instructions as specified in the byelaw.

2. The signage and instructions were clear and enforceable.

3. Your actions were not justified (e.g., by unclear or inadequate signage).

If you can cast doubt on any of these points—such as showing that the signage was unclear or that your parking did not contravene any specific instruction—the prosecution may fail to meet this high standard, and you could avoid conviction.

Beyond a Reasonable Doubt is the highest standard of proof in law and applies to criminal cases. It means that the evidence must be so convincing that there is no reasonable doubt in the mind of the judge or jury (Magistrate in this case) that the defendant committed the offence.

The burden of proof lies with the prosecution, which must prove every element of the offence to this high standard to secure a conviction. Since criminal cases often involve the risk of serious consequences, such as fines, imprisonment, or a criminal record, the law requires this stringent standard to minimise the risk of wrongful conviction.

The prosecution under Merseyrail Byelaw 14(2) hinges on whether the signage clearly communicated the parking rules. Your defence should focus on the inadequacy of the signage, the lack of obstruction, and any procedural irregularities (e.g., the shift from a civil PCN to a criminal penalty). If these issues are effectively presented, you have a reasonable chance of challenging the charge.

In this case, the V5C registration certificate only identifies the registered keeper, not necessarily the owner or the driver of the vehicle. This distinction is important, particularly in cases like yours, where liability under a byelaw is being pursued.

Registered Keeper vs. Owner vs. Driver

• Registered Keeper: The person named on the V5C document who is responsible for registering and taxing the vehicle.

• Owner: The person with legal ownership of the vehicle (e.g., someone who purchased or financed it). This is not necessarily the registered keeper.

• Driver: The person in control of the vehicle at the time of the alleged offence. Liability for parking offences under byelaws generally rests with the driver.

Who is Liable Under Byelaw 14(2)?

Byelaw 14(2) concerns the person in charge of the vehicle. This is typically interpreted as the driver at the time of the alleged offence. If the prosecution cannot prove who the driver was, they may struggle to secure a conviction because liability under the byelaw rests with the driver, not the registered keeper or owner.

Prosecution’s Argument Based on DVLA Enquiries

The charge sheet claims that DVLA enquiries confirmed you as the registered owner. However, the DVLA does not determine ownership, only the registered keeper. The term "registered owner" is incorrect and misleading. It conflates the concepts of keeper and owner, which are legally distinct.

To convict under Byelaw 14(2), the prosecution must prove that you were the driver (i.e., the person in charge of the vehicle) at the time of the alleged contravention. In criminal cases, the burden is on the prosecution to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. They must establish:

• That an offence occurred (i.e., parking contrary to the operator’s instructions).

• That you were the person in charge of the vehicle at the time.

If they rely solely on the DVLA information to link you to the offence without direct evidence that you were driving, this leaves their case open to challenge.

One of your defence strategies would be to challenge the assumption of liability. Argue that being the registered keeper (as identified by the DVLA) does not prove that you were the driver at the time of the alleged contravention. If there is no evidence that you were driving (e.g., photographs or witness testimony), the prosecution cannot meet the criminal standard of proof.

Point out that the charge sheet inaccurately refers to you as the registered owner, which is legally incorrect. The V5C registration document explicitly states it does not prove ownership. This error suggests procedural flaws or a lack of understanding by the prosecution, potentially undermining their case.

Ask the prosecution to provide specific evidence that you were the driver at the time of the alleged contravention. If no such evidence exists, the charge cannot be sustained. Even if the prosecution proves that the vehicle was parked improperly, they must also prove that you were the person responsible.

If you can introduce doubt about who was driving, you would avoid conviction. Remember, in a criminal case, the burden of proof must be beyond a reasonable doubt.

Under Merseyrail Byelaw 14(2), the driver (i.e., the person in charge of the vehicle) at the time of the offence is liable. The prosecution must prove:

• That the offence occurred.

• That you were the driver.

If they cannot link you as the driver beyond a reasonable doubt, the case should fail. The prosecution must prove that you were the driver at the time of the alleged offence, not merely the registered keeper. If their case relies solely on DVLA records without direct evidence, this is a significant weakness you can exploit in your defence.

Here are other points you should use in your defence:

1. Wording of the Signage:

• If the signage does not explicitly state that parking is restricted to reserved bays, you may argue that there was no clear "instruction" from the operator that you violated.

• Check if the signage refers explicitly to Byelaw 14(2) or other enforceable rules. Ambiguity in signage can support your defence, as regulations must be clear and comprehensible to the public.

2. No Obstruction or Hindrance:

• You parked on the kerb without causing an obstruction or hindrance to other vehicles, pedestrians, or the operation of the railway. This can be argued as compliance with Byelaw 14(2)(i).

• If there are photographs of your vehicle showing it was not obstructing or hindering, these will strengthen your case.

3. Compliance with Byelaw 14(2)(iii):

• If you can argue that parking on the kerb does not contravene the operator's instructions due to unclear or absent signage, this undermines the claim of a violation under subsection (iii).

All of the above is only a suggestion. IANAL and I would defer to others on here that may have legal training. If you have any legal protection insurance through your car or home insurance, you could seek legal advice but I would make sure that it is someone who is familiar with these bylaws and not just a plain vanilla solicitor.

These could be some of the challenges to your defence:

Byelaw 14(2) can be interpreted broadly to cover any deviation from the operator's instructions, even if there is no obstruction or hindrance. The court may determine that parking outside designated bays is inherently contrary to the operator's instructions.

The operator may argue that parking outside marked bays disrupts the orderly use of the car park, regardless of whether an obstruction occurred.

The Single Justice Procedure (SJP) is justified in this situation because Merseyrail Byelaws are legally enforceable regulations made under statutory authority. A breach of these byelaws constitutes a criminal offence, not a civil matter. As such, the case is handled in a criminal court rather than a civil court like the Small Claims Court.

The SJP is a streamlined method for dealing with low-level offences without requiring an in-person court appearance unless contested. It is commonly used for minor traffic offences, railway byelaws, and similar infractions. If you plead guilty, the SJP will decide your case on paper. If you contest the case or plead not guilty, the matter will proceed to a magistrates' court hearing.

Whether to plead guilty or not guilty depends on how strong you feel your case is based on the available evidence and the arguments you can present.

If you believe the prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that:

• You were the driver.

• The parking rules were clearly displayed and you contravened them.

Pleading guilty at this stage may result in a reduced fine or penalty, as early guilty pleas often receive leniency. Also, if you plead guilty, you will avoid a trial and reduce the risk of incurring additional prosecution costs, which could be much higher if the case proceeds to trial and you are convicted. If you want to resolve the matter quickly and avoid the stress or time commitment of preparing a defence and attending court, pleading guilty simplifies the process.

However, you should consider pleading not guilty if the prosecution cannot prove that:

• You were the driver at the time of the alleged offence (e.g., if they rely solely on DVLA records of you being the registered keeper).

• The signage was not clear and enforceable, given your points about the faded and unclear sign.

These weaknesses create reasonable doubt, which is enough to avoid conviction.

The use of terms like "registered owner" and reliance on the V5C creates a possible procedural flaw.

The initial issuance of a "Parking Charge Notice" (typically civil) before switching to criminal proceedings might raise procedural irregularities.

Your defence points are strong and you have valid arguments:

• Signage clarity: The signage was ambiguous, faded, and hard to read, failing to clearly communicate the rules.

• No obstruction: The vehicle was not parked obstructively, which undermines part of Byelaw 14(2)’s intent.

• No evidence you were the driver: The prosecution cannot link you to the offence without direct evidence.

If you're willing to fight the case, pleading not guilty means the case will go to trial in a magistrates' court, where you will need to prepare and present your defence and potentially attend court and cross-examine witnesses.

Title: Re: Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: adamh02 on December 19, 2024, 10:18:56 pm
The parking packet which I have disposed of  stated “parking charge notice” and not “penalty charge notice”.
Title: Re: Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: DWMB2 on December 19, 2024, 10:13:47 pm
I received a parking charge notice (not penalty charge notice)
Can you also show us this? All the documents you have shown us so far refer only to penalties.

I may move this to the criminal forum as it does seem this is a now criminal matter (albeit one brought by a rail company) rather than a private parking charge matter.
Title: Re: Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: adamh02 on December 19, 2024, 10:10:40 pm
I have now attached the notice and the SJP.

As you can see, the notice states the reasoning for being “out of bays”. Which is not a reason that appears on the sign.

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Title: Re: Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: DWMB2 on December 19, 2024, 09:58:31 pm
Please show us what you have received (both the notice you ignored, and the 'SJP' you refer to), with personal details redacted
Title: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
Post by: adamh02 on December 19, 2024, 09:55:43 pm
I received a parking charge notice (not penalty charge notice) for parking in a Merseyrail (train company) car park outside of the reserved bays (on the curb). I decided to ignore it as the sign (photo attached) did not state I had to park within the reserved bays and I didn’t park on a double yellow.
To my surprise, I have just received a Single Justice Procedure stating that I have committed a criminal offence and will be taken to a magistrates if I don’t plead guilty.
The notice reads
“It is an offence to park your vehicle other than in accordance with the operators instructions”

The notice also states I contravened Merseyrail Byelaw 14(2).

14.2 No person in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall leave or place it on any part of the railway:
(i) in any manner or place where it may cause an
(ii) obstruction or hindrance to the Operator or any person using the railway;
or (iii)
otherwise than in accordance with any instructions issued by or on behalf of the Operator or an authorised person.“

I have 2 issues that I need advice on:
1. Is an SJP justified or should this be dealt with in a small claims court? (I’m guessing so because its a byelaw but just need confirmation).


2. Given that I parked on the curb, not causing an obstruction, leaving more than enough space for both cars to drive past and people to walk by on the pavement, would I stand a good chance in court challenging this?

Thanks

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