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Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on May 19, 2025, 07:27:16 pm
See what I can do and I will let you know.

Well thank you all for your help and time once again.

B789 I hope your enjoy your away.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on May 19, 2025, 06:38:27 pm
Try and raise it with your MP and see if you can get any investigative reporter worth their slat interested.

That said, it really doesn't matter in the over all scheme. POPLA are often useless and their decisions are not binding on the appellant and have no bearing on anything beyond that point.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on May 19, 2025, 06:34:44 pm
Shocking how incompetent these organisations really are.

So that’s it then Popla is basically untouchable for now it seems?
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on May 19, 2025, 06:17:37 pm
BPA are incestuously and corruptly useless. Have a read of the posts on this thread from this link onwards which is in response to a flawed POPLA decision that was complained about and then referred to the CTSI:

https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/private-parking-solutions-uxbridge-industrial-estate/msg65857/#msg65857
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on May 19, 2025, 06:06:55 pm
While composing the email I remember checking on ADR website and realised POPLA is not one of their approved ADR bodies.

I have received a dead end response from ADR as below.


Thank you for your email regarding POPLA.
 
The Chartered Trading Standards Institute (CTSI) is the government-appointed Competent Authority for approving and overseeing approved Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) bodies in the unregulated sectors, under the Alternative Dispute Resolution for Consumer Disputes (Competent Authorities and Information) Regulations 2015. We act as the Competent Authority on behalf of the Secretary of State.
 
Unfortunately, POPLA is not one of our approved ADR bodies.
 
In order to escalate your complaint further, kindly contact: complaints@popla.co.uk
 
You could also complain to the British Parking Association: https://www.britishparking.co.uk/Contact-Us-Public.
 
We apologise that we cannot be of any further help, but we hope the information we have supplied to you is useful.
 
Kind regards,
 
Jane Kareem-Tony
ACS & ADR Coordinator
 
Email: Janek@tsi.org.uk
Web: www.tradingstandards.uk

Maybe BPA can help ? But it does clearly state on their website “information for POPLA appeals” rather than complaints. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Dave65 on May 15, 2025, 04:23:11 pm
Good on you, you have not simply given up.

The more complaints such as this benefit others.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: DWMB2 on May 15, 2025, 03:01:32 pm
If it helps others in the future I personally think it’s worth putting the point across as suggested by b789.
Thanks. Users are within their rights to simply kick back and say 'job done' when their parking charge is cancelled, but if they are able to take further actions that may potentially benefit others in the future, it's admirable of them to do so, and much appreciated by us.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on May 15, 2025, 02:45:01 pm
From what I understand, given that POPLA should have decided in my favour but made a mistake and denied the appeal.

After making a formal complaint POPLA now accept the errors made by the adjudicator however the appeal denied can not be overturned.

If it helps others in the future I personally think it’s worth putting the point across as suggested by b789. I accept the point made and happy to follow through.

I’ve had great help from here many times and if I could AT THE LEAST buy some fizzy cola bottle sweets for everyone as a token of appreciation for their time and help, I’d happily do so. ;D

Yes luckily I managed to get the fine cancelled by a Tesco staff. I assume the store manager had to authorise it.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: H C Andersen on May 15, 2025, 12:07:19 pm
Why do you want to complain, the parking charge has been cancelled?

If you feel compelled to expose POPLA failings, fine. But do so if you want to.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on May 15, 2025, 11:45:42 am
Thanks for that email. Just sent it off now.

Will they even do anything?

Paul Garrity mentioned as such there is no platform that I can currently complain to about POPLA externally.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: jfollows on May 14, 2025, 12:34:31 pm
See https://www.tradingstandards.uk/contact-ctsi/
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CTSI Approved ADR bodies

adrenquiries@tsi.org.uk
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on May 14, 2025, 12:09:47 pm
adr@tsi.org.uk (adr@tsi.org.uk)
Your message was rejected by the recipient's domain because the recipient's email address isn't listed in the domain's directory. It might be misspelled or it might not exist.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on May 14, 2025, 10:25:06 am
Just sent off that email now. Update you when I hear back.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on May 13, 2025, 04:32:38 pm
That response from POPLA is notable for two things:

1. Admission of error – POPLA expressly admits that the assessor misinterpreted PoFA and that the NtK did not comply with paragraph 9(2)(f). This is a rare but significant concession.

2. Denial of recourse or escalation – Despite this admission, they claim there is no mechanism to escalate complaints externally, contradicting their status as a regulated ADR provider under the ADR Regulations 2015.

You should submit a formal regulatory complaint to the Chartered Trading Standards Institute (CTSI), which regulates ADR providers such as POPLA under UK law. CTSI is empowered to investigate ADR non-compliance, particularly in cases of:

• Failure to apply the law correctly
• Procedural unfairness
• Lack of independence or transparency
• Inadequate complaints resolution mechanisms

You can email the following to adr@tsi.org.uk and CC in yourself:

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Subject: Regulatory Complaint – Non-compliance by POPLA (Parking on Private Land Appeals)

Dear CTSI ADR Team,

I am submitting a formal complaint regarding the conduct and operation of POPLA (Parking on Private Land Appeals), which is operated by TAG Services (formerly Ombudsman Services) and approved as an ADR entity under the Alternative Dispute Resolution for Consumer Disputes (Competent Authorities and Information) Regulations 2015.

POPLA recently handled my appeal under verification code [INSERT CODE]. I later submitted a formal complaint regarding serious legal and procedural errors in the decision. The POPLA complaints handler has since admitted that the decision was based on a misinterpretation of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) and that the Notice to Keeper in question did not comply with paragraph 9(2)(f).

Despite this, POPLA have stated they refuse to reconsider the outcome, asserting that it is a “one-stage process.” They further state that no external complaints process exists, and that TAG Services (the ADR entity administrator) “have no involvement in our complaints handling procedure.”

This raises several regulatory concerns:

• POPLA admits its decision was incorrect in law, yet refuses to reconsider the outcome or offer any remedy.
• The internal complaints system lacks independence or escalation, directly contradicting the spirit of the ADR Regulations.
• POPLA claims that neither TAG Services nor any external body can investigate complaints, suggesting a complete lack of accountability.
• POPLA assessors appear untrained or improperly supervised, as the admitted legal error concerns one of PoFA's most basic requirements.
• POPLA’s refusal to reassess a clearly flawed decision undermines consumer protection and confidence in the ADR system.

Under the ADR Regulations 2015, ADR entities must:

• Ensure decisions are reached by impartial and legally competent assessors;
• Have a transparent and accessible complaints process;
• Offer effective redress in the event of a serious procedural or legal error;
• Allow complaints about the ADR service to be handled independently.

I request CTSI urgently investigate POPLA’s non-compliance with its statutory duties as an approved ADR provider and advise whether it remains suitable to continue handling parking appeals without an effective external accountability mechanism.

I am happy to supply copies of the original appeal, the rebuttal, and POPLA’s full complaint response, including their admission of legal error.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Full Name]
[Address]
[Email Address]
[Phone – optional]
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on May 13, 2025, 04:20:43 pm

I checked up with horizon it was cancelled by Tesco.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on May 13, 2025, 03:37:18 pm
Hi I have had a written email response today.

Copy pasted below:

Thank you for your email received 23 April 2025, outlining the reasons why you are unhappy with the decision that has been reached by the assessor in your appeal. This was passed to me by the POPLA team as I am responsible for investigating complaints.
 
POPLA is a one-stage process, and we would not change a decision because either party disputes the assessor’s decision. However, we may consider an appeal if there has been a procedural error, for example – if we failed to allow a motorist to comment on a parking operator’s evidence pack. My role as a complaints handler is to determine whether a procedural error has occurred during the assessment of your appeal.
 
It is worth pointing out that before submitting an appeal, our website informs appellants that POPLA is a one-stage appeal service and we cannot reconsider your appeal if you disagree with our decision.
 
The crux of your complaint is that the assessor failed to address the legal consequences of non-receipt of the Notice to Keeper under the Protection of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012 and there was no recognition that proof of delivery is required to establish keeper liability as issuance is not the test, delivery is, therefore the assessor has made a basic error in statutory interpretation.
 
You advise the assessor has misinterpreted Paragraph  9 (f) of POFA as they stated information is given of what action to take if the keeper was not the driver, however the Notice to Keeper stated liability begins 28 days after the second working day after the date of issue which is not what POFA requires.
 
POFA states liability arises at the end of the period of 28 days beginning the day after that on which the notice is given and therefore, the operator calculation is wrong and inconsistent with the law which the assessor ignored.
 
I have now reviewed the appeal and I can confirm Paragraph 9(2)(f) states that the notice to keeper must: “(f)warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given”…“the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid.”
 
Paragraph 9(6) then defines the given date as: “the second working day after the day on which it is posted”.
 
In this instance, as the notice was issued on Monday 11 October 2024, the given date is Wednesday 16 October. As POFA states that motorists must be given 28 days from the day after the notice is given, the 28 days should have begun from 17 October.
 
The Notice to Keeper states “You are advised that if, after a period of 28 days from the second working day after the date of this Parking Charge…”, therefore it does not meet the requirements of POFA.
 
It should be noted within POFA Paragraph 9 (6) it states a notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered:
 
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You explain the assessor accepted Horizon Parking’s assertions without criticism which wrongly shifts the burden of proof onto the appellant as the operator failed to provide proof of delivery such as certificate of posting and or delivery record.
 
You state the assessor dismissed evidence by stating they were unable to comment on a call they were not privy to which is unacceptable as the operators own staff reportedly stated the Notice to Keeper was probably lost in the post which is a clear admission that delivery did not occur and was not denied or countered which the assessor dismissed rather than treating this as evidence.
 
You explain the assessor stated they were satisfied the operator provided a land owner agreement and on reviewing this, they were satisfied the operator has a legitimate interest in the parking event which you state Is superficial and legally, an insufficient assessment.
 
You advise the document was heavily redacted did not specifically confirm the site omitted boundary plans and did not have a visible execution dates or signatures which the assessor failed to address and they accepted a redacted generic document without examining whether it met PPSCoP standards for valid landowner authority.
 
You state the assessor provided a narrow definition of POPLAs role by stating our role is to consider if the parking charge notice has been issued correctly.
 
You explain that POPLAs role is to assess if the charge is enforceable which includes checking compliance with POFA, the code of practice and fairness under contract principles. You advise issuing a parking charge notice does not equate to establishing liability and the assessor statement reveals either a misunderstanding of POPLAs remit or an intentional mischaracterisation to side step the need to assess enforceability.
 
To clarify, POPLAs remit extends only to determining if the parking charge notice has been issued correctly based on the evidence presented at the time of the appeal. We accept evidence from both parties in good faith unless the opposite is proven.
 
The burden of proof begins with the operator to show it issued the parking charge notice correctly. If they do that by providing evidence that support its version of events, the burden of proof then passes to the appellant.
I acknowledge in the appeal it was stated the operator advised on a call the Notice to Keeper was possibly lost in the post, however, as no evidence of this call was provided with the appeal to POLPLA, the assessor was unable to comment further.
There is no requirement in both POFA or the Single Code of Practice that an operator must send the Notice to Keeper by recorded delivery or provide proof of postage or delivery of the notice.
Section 14.1 of the Single Code of Practice states that a parking operator must obtain written confirmation from the landowner confirming it has the relevant authority to pursue charges on a car park.
 
This authority must confirm the site and provide a boundary map.
 
Within its case file, Horizon Parking provided a copy of the contract it has with landowner. Contracts with the landowner may contain commercially sensitive information, therefore, we will accept redacted landowner documents as long as the assessor is satisfied it meets the requirements of Section 14.1 of the Single Code of Practice.
 
I note the operator also provided a site map within it case file showing the location of the signage and the site boundary.
 
In this instance, as no evidence was provided to cast doubt on this contract, the assessor was satisfied Horizon Parking has the appropriate authority to issue charges on this land.
 
You state you expect a formal review of the decision, clarification of POPLAs official position on POFA, confirmation of retraining or disciplinary action for the assessor and written assurance that cases involving disputed POFA compliance will be assessed by trained staff with working knowledge of the legislation and code of practice.
 
When considering POFA, POPLA assessors will consider whether the notice to keeper has been issued correctly and meets the strict requirements set out in Paragraph 9 (f).
 
Assessors will make decisions based on:
 
Relevant law
The Single Code of Practice
Evidence provided by both parties
 
Assessors have been trained on these areas and our decision-making guidelines. They have also passed an accreditation process following our training programme and receive regular internal quality audits as well as coaching and personal development.
 
In this instance, while I am disappointed to note the assessor has misinterpreted POFA and fully accept that the assessor is wrong to state that the notice is complaint with POFA and I would like to apologise for this error, on reviewing the case, it is clear the assessor has misinterpreted POFA rather than missed evidence provided.
In order to improve the quality of future appeal decisions, I will, of course provide the relevant feedback to the assessor. However, as all of the evidence provided has been considered, no procedural error has occurred and therefore, the outcome will not change.
 
You advise if your complaint is not addressed, you will escalate the matter to Ombudsman Services as POPLAs administrator and to the Charted Trading Standards Institute.
 
Complaints about POLA are reviewed and responded to by the complaints team. TAG Services (Formerly Ombudsman Services) have no involvement in our complaints handling procedure.
 
It is worth explaining that POPLA was previously audited externally by Independent Scrutiny board for Parking on Private Land Appeals (ISPA) at one stage. Unfortunately, funding stopped for ISPA and they ceased to continue which means that POPLA does not currently have an independent body reviewing our appeals or dealing with complaints about our service. As such there is no platform for you currently to complain about POPLA externally. If you wish to take the matter further, you will need to seek independent legal advice. 
 
I am sorry that your experience of using our service has not been positive. However, POPLA’s involvement in your appeal has now ended and this response concludes our complaints process. It will not be appropriate for us to correspond further on this matter and all further correspondence will be noted on your case, but not responded to.
 
You are of course, free to pursue this matter further, through other means, such as the Courts. For independent legal advice, please contact Citizens Advice at: www.citizensadvice.org.uk or call 0345 404 05 06
 
Yours sincerely,
 
Paul Garrity​​​​
POPLA Complaints
complaints@popla.co.uk
flexibleresolutionservices.co.uk
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on April 23, 2025, 05:58:04 pm
Just sent that email now so I’ll update here when I hear back.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on April 23, 2025, 04:37:51 pm
Please send that formal complaint to POPLA. they need to be alerted to some of there atrocious decisions some of these assessors make, and this one is a classic example.

Hopefully your friend can get the PCN cancelled anyway. However, unless you have it in writing from an official source, don't hold your breath until it is actually cancelled.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on April 23, 2025, 04:33:52 pm
Hi b789

Thanks for your time again and reply.

I went shopping to that Tesco store today and seen a lady friend who works there. I discussed this rejection of appeal from popla she said to leave it with her and she will get it written off. She obtained original letter with horizon reference and car reg details. I’m posting this reply from the car park.

Worth waiting or would you advice to proceed with above actions?

I searched up that adjudicator larenz gumbs he is a dispute resolution executive and works within ombudsmen services. I honestly can’t believe his ignorant method of resolution. What a world we live in. The world is beautiful indeed unfortunately it’s the people that make it.

 
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on April 23, 2025, 01:03:39 pm
If further evidence was needed of the utter incompetence of some POPLA assessors, you have it in that response.

Whilst a POPLA decision is not binding on you and you must not pay this, it does warrant a formal complaint to POPLA about such blatant ineptitude, even though they will not reconsider the appeal. It provides a paper trail that they cannot ignore.

Send the following to POPLA as a pdf attachment to an email to info@popla.co.uk and CC in yourself:

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To: Lead Adjudicator
POPLA Complaints

To: info@popla.co.uk

Subject: Formal Complaint – Appeal Decision [Insert POPLA Verification Code]

Dear Lead Adjudicator,

I am writing to raise a formal complaint regarding the decision issued in appeal verification code [INSERT CODE], assessed by Larenz Gumbs. The decision reflects a total failure to engage with the grounds of appeal or apply even basic principles of contract law, PoFA, or the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP). The following details each specific error, as demonstrated by a point-by-point review of the assessor's language compared against the content of the appeal and rebuttal.

1. Failure to engage with the core issue of non-receipt of the NtK

"The appellant has stated that there was no notice to keeper received... they have stated that the operator was not compliant with POFA 2012."

The assessor merely summarised this without addressing the legal consequences of non-receipt under PoFA 2012 Schedule 4, Paragraphs 9(1) and 9(6). There was no recognition that proof of delivery is required to establish Keeper liability. Issuance is not the test; delivery is. This is a basic error in statutory interpretation.

"The operator has provided the landowner agreement... The date of the parking charge incident was on 7th October 2024 and the Parking Charge Notice was issued to the registered keeper on 11th October 2024 which is within the time limit allowed via PoFA."

This statement is misleading. Issuance alone is not sufficient. Under Paragraph 9(6), the NtK must be given (i.e., delivered or deemed delivered). The assessor treated the issue date as if it alone satisfied compliance, which it does not.

2. Uncritical acceptance of the operator’s assertions

"From the evidence provided, I am unable to conclude the parking charge notice is not compliant with POFA."

This shifts the burden of proof wrongly onto the appellant. The operator failed to prove delivery. The appeal explicitly put the operator to strict proof. They did not provide any such proof—no Certificate of Posting, no delivery record—nothing. The assessor’s logic assumes that the absence of evidence is acceptable. That is legally and procedurally incorrect.

"This is sufficient to allow the motorist to know they will be liable to pay the Parking Charge."

Wrong. Belief that liability might exist is not the same as legally established liability under statute. Paragraph 9(2)(f) of PoFA only transfers liability if every statutory requirement is fulfilled. The assessor ignored this.

3. Misinterpretation of Paragraph 9(2)(f) of PoFA

"Information is also given of what action to take if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle."

This glosses over a central point raised in the rebuttal: the NtK stated liability begins "28 days after the second working day after the date of issue", which is not what PoFA requires. PoFA says liability arises "at the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the day AFTER that on which the notice is given." The operator's calculation is wrong and inconsistent with the law. The assessor completely ignored this fundamental defect.

4. Dismissal of the rebuttal evidence

"The appellant has stated that they had a call with the operator which discusses the parking charge notice not being received and being lost within the post. I am unable to comment on this further as I was not privy to this conversation."

This is unacceptable. The operator's own staff reportedly stated the NtK was "probably lost in the post"—a clear admission that delivery did not occur. It was not denied or countered. Rather than treating it as evidence, the assessor dismissed it with a blanket disclaimer. This shows a complete failure to weigh probative value of uncontested admissions.

5. Superficial treatment of landowner authority

"The operator has provided the landowner agreement to manage the car park. This shows that the operator has a legitimate interest in the parking incident."

This is a superficial and legally insufficient assessment. The appeal rebuttal pointed out that:

• The agreement was heavily redacted;
• It lacked site specificity;
• It omitted boundary plans;
• It contained no visible execution dates or signatures.

The assessor did not address these at all. They accepted a redacted, generic document without examining whether it met PPSCoP standards for valid landowner authority.

6. Misapplication of POPLA’s role

"Our role at POPLA is to consider if the PCN has been issued correctly..."

That is an unacceptably narrow definition. POPLA’s role is to assess if the charge is enforceable, which includes checking compliance with PoFA, the Code of Practice, and fairness under contract principles. Issuing a PCN does not equate to establishing liability. This statement reveals either a misunderstanding of POPLA’s remit or an intentional mischaracterisation to sidestep the need to assess enforceability.

Summary

This decision reflects a complete failure in competence, judgment, and legal understanding. Larenz Gumbs either lacks the training to assess PoFA-based cases or did not read the appeal properly. I am aware that POPLA does not rescind adjudications, but this matter must be escalated to senior level.

I expect:

• A formal review of this decision;
• Clarification of POPLA’s official position on Paragraph 9(2)(f) of PoFA;
• Confirmation of retraining or disciplinary action for the assessor involved;
• Written assurance that cases involving disputed PoFA compliance will be assessed by trained staff with working knowledge of the legislation and Code of Practice.

If this is not addressed meaningfully, I will escalate the matter to Ombudsman Services, as POPLA’s administrator, and to the Chartered Trading Standards Institute (CTSI), which is the designated competent authority responsible for regulating ADR bodies under the ADR Regulations 2015. This is not just about one bad decision—it is about systemic failure within POPLA to ensure its assessors are competent, impartial, and capable of applying statutory consumer law, particularly the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and the Private Parking Single Code of Practice. I will also be raising these concerns with the DVLA, given the potential misuse of Keeper data based on decisions that fail to assess the legal validity of liability transfer.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Full Name]
[Contact details]

Apart from that, you now wait for the inevitable debt recovery letters which you can safely ignore. Never, ever communicate with a debt collector. They re powerless except to try and make the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree pay up out of ignorance and fear. They are powerless. Ignore them.

Come back when you get a response to your POPLA complaint and when you receive a Letter of Claim (loC). You won't be paying a penny to Horizon.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on April 23, 2025, 11:17:12 am
Hi to all hope you’re all doing good.

I have had a response from popla finally. Unfortunately it’s been unsuccessful.

I can’t see the full thread of messages between me and popla. It only shows their outcome.

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Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 31, 2024, 09:58:57 pm
Thank you so much b789.

All done. When I hear back I’ll update here.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on December 31, 2024, 09:32:20 pm
OK. Here is your response to the operators evidence pack. You can only use the POPLA webform for responding so simply copy and paste it into there. It is within the 10,000 character limit:

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The operator has not adequately addressed the appeal's core issue that the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) was never received. The appellant contacted the operator to report this and was told the NtK was “probably lost in the post.” The operator then dismissed its importance by suggesting the reminder letter could serve as a substitute. This admission directly supports the appellant's position that the NtK was not received, undermining the operator’s claim to hold the Keeper liable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).

The operator has failed to provide meaningful evidence to counter this. While they assert that the NtK was issued on 11/10/2024, they provide no proof of posting, such as a Certificate of Posting or any record to demonstrate the NtK was sent or received. Their reliance on Royal Mail’s standard processes, without specific documentation for this case, does not meet the evidentiary standard required when the NtK’s delivery is disputed.

The reliance on the reminder letter sent on 11/11/2024 further highlights the operator's failure to comply with PoFA. The reminder letter cannot substitute for the NtK, as PoFA requires that the original NtK be delivered within 14 days of the alleged contravention. Without delivery of a compliant NtK, liability cannot transfer to the Keeper.

The appeal also requested the operator provide strict proof of posting or delivery, given their admission that the NtK was “probably lost in the post.” Instead of addressing this, the operator failed to provide any evidence or explanation to support their assertion that the NtK was sent. Their inability to produce verifiable proof undermines the presumption of proper delivery and invalidates their claim.

Without proof that the NtK was sent and delivered, the operator cannot demonstrate compliance with PoFA’s procedural requirements. This is essential for transferring liability to the Registered Keeper, especially as the vehicle is registered to a company, not an individual. The operator’s failure to address this in their response further demonstrates the invalidity of their claim.

I respectfully ask the POPLA assessor to uphold the appeal on these grounds. The operator’s inability to demonstrate delivery of the NtK or provide meaningful evidence of compliance with PoFA makes their claim unsustainable.

The third point of the appeal reserved the right to challenge the compliance of the NtK with PoFA. Upon reviewing the copy of the NtK included in the operator's evidence pack, it is evident the NtK does not fully comply with PoFA's strict requirements.

The key issue lies in how the NtK informs the Keeper about when liability might be transferred under PoFA. The NtK states keeper liability begins "28 days after the second working day after the date of issue." However, this is incorrect under PoFA. PoFA requires the NtK inform the Keeper liability begins "at the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the day after the notice is given." This difference is critical because it changes the timeline for liability and creates confusion.

The date of the alleged contravention was Monday, 7 October 2024. The NtK was issued on Friday, 11 October 2024. Under postal rules, PoFA considers the NtK "given" two working days later, which would be Tuesday, 15 October 2024. The PoFA-required 28-day period then starts the day after this, on Wednesday, 16 October 2024, and ends on Monday, 11 November 2024. This is the correct date when keeper liability would begin under PoFA.

The NtK states liability begins 28 days after the second working day from the date of issue, which the operator calculates as Tuesday, 12 November 2024. This calculation does not align with PoFA’s requirements. By misrepresenting the date when liability begins, the NtK fails to comply with the legal requirement to provide clear and accurate information. The error creates ambiguity and does not meet the strict compliance standards mandated by PoFA.

Since PoFA requires absolute compliance, this discrepancy means the NtK is invalid for transferring liability to the Keeper. I respectfully ask the POPLA assessor to consider this significant error and allow the appeal. The operator’s failure to provide a compliant NtK means they cannot hold the Keeper liable under PoFA.

The fourth point of the appeal concerns the operator’s non-compliance with the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), which was in effect on the date of the alleged contravention, 7 October 2024. The operator’s response fails to address key concerns and demonstrates non-compliance with several sections of the PPSCoP.

Clause 11.1 requires parking operators to have a documented and accessible complaints procedure to ensure complaints are handled fairly and transparently. The appellant raised a valid complaint about not receiving the original NtK, and instead of properly addressing the issue, the operator dismissed it by stating the NtK was “probably lost in the post” and the reminder letter could suffice. This response lacks the transparency and fairness required under the Code.

Clause 8.1.1 specifies notices must provide clear and accurate information, including details of the appeals process and how the recipient can challenge the parking charge. By dismissing the missing NtK as irrelevant and relying on the reminder letter, the operator fails to ensure the recipient has the legally required information, as the reminder letter does not contain the statutory details required in the NtK.

Clause 8.4.1(c) requires operators to consider mitigating circumstances in appeals. The appellant’s claim that the NtK was not received and the operator’s admission it was “probably lost in the post” should have been treated as mitigating. Instead, the operator’s response indicates they did not consider this and continued enforcement without addressing the appellant’s concerns.

Clause 10.1 states operators must take reasonable steps to ensure correspondence reaches the intended recipient, including verifying address details and re-sending notices if necessary. The operator’s admission the NtK was “probably lost in the post” demonstrates they failed to meet this obligation, as they did not take further steps to ensure delivery.

The operator’s response fails to address these compliance failures and does not demonstrate adherence to the PPSCoP. I respectfully ask the POPLA assessor to uphold the appeal on this basis, as the operator’s actions show clear breaches of the PPSCoP’s requirements for fairness, transparency, and professionalism.

The operator’s response to point 5 of the appeal regarding evidence of landowner authority is inadequate and fails to meet the requirements of the PPSCoP. The Code requires parking operators provide written confirmation from the landowner demonstrating their authority to issue parking charges and manage parking on the specific site.

The document provided by the operator in Section F of their response pack is labeled "Annex A: Agreed Form of Authority/Witness Statement." This document is heavily redacted and does not meet the required standards for several reasons.

First, the document is generic and lacks specificity. It does not explicitly state it pertains to the location of the alleged contravention. Without a clear link to the specific site, the document cannot serve as sufficient evidence of the operator’s authority to manage parking at that location.

Second, the document is missing critical information. The Code requires agreements of this nature identify the landowner, provide a boundary map defining the managed land, and specify the terms of the operator’s authority, including any limitations or conditions. The redacted document fails to provide this information, making it impossible to verify compliance with the Code.

Third, the signatures and dates on the document have been redacted. This prevents verification of whether the agreement was in effect at the time of the alleged contravention. The lack of verifiable dates and signatures raises doubts about the validity of the document.

Finally, the Code requires operators provide clear, unredacted evidence demonstrating their authority to enforce parking charges on the site. The operator’s response fails to satisfy this requirement, and their reliance on a heavily redacted, generic document is insufficient.

Given these deficiencies, the operator has not demonstrated they have the necessary landowner authority to issue parking charges or enforce terms at the site. I respectfully request the POPLA assessor uphold the appeal on this basis. The operator’s failure to provide adequate evidence of landowner authority invalidates their claim.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 31, 2024, 08:28:04 pm
This vehicle in question is registered as my company vehicle not a personal/individual vehicle.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 31, 2024, 08:24:18 pm
I don’t remember any available options as to appealing as an individual or company? I’m sure there was no option as such.

You can see in the 35 page pdf my initial appeal. Then I appealed to popla exactly as above which I converted to pdf before submitting.

Only option I remember in the popla portal it asked for my first and last name and I put it down as Mr Home Maintenance.

As far as I’m aware horizon or Popla do not hold my real name. They only have my business name and business address.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on December 31, 2024, 07:55:14 pm
Is the vehicle registered to a company rather than an individual? If so, did you appeal as the company or an individual?
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 31, 2024, 06:23:59 pm
I’m using a new phone too so this makes it difficult. I think I have managed to edit the pdf and attached it here.

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Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on December 31, 2024, 06:19:25 pm
Yes, simply redact the personal info and then host the pdf on dropbox or any other suitable hosting service. Or you can send it to me attached to a PM and I will do it for you.

It is frustrating trying to compose a rebuttal to the operators evidence pack without knowing what is in the operators evidence.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 31, 2024, 06:04:52 pm
Yes the original ntk was attached.

I would like to add link to the whole pdf but it contains a lot of repeated personal info. I’m having a look now if I can blur info by editing the pdf.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on December 31, 2024, 05:40:56 pm
Just post a link to the whole PDF they sent you. It is useless just showing us sections that contain references to other sections that we cannot see!

Have they included a copy of the original NtK?
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 31, 2024, 05:08:59 pm
I can’t seem to find any other info relating to the points we made.

Popla platform is awful I’m unable to see my previous reply. I remember converting to pdf and submitting.

I did get an email confirmation of submitting appeal that’s all.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 31, 2024, 05:05:10 pm
Apologies. I missed this totally on page 6.

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Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on December 31, 2024, 04:14:05 pm
Have they responded to or rebutted all the points made in the POPLA appeal?

Have they included a copy of the NtK?

Have they provided evidence of posting or delivery of the NtK in the form of a "proof of posting" certificate or a "signed for" receipt?

Have they answered or given any explanations of points #3 and #4 of your appeal?

What evidence of landowner authority have they provided?
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 31, 2024, 01:14:58 pm
I have received a response within popla from horizon. A 35 page pdf mainly pics of signage and previous letters.

I have taken SS of pdf, their main reason they state the charge is valid.


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Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 12, 2024, 08:12:40 pm
Thanks DWMB2

Will convert to pdf and submit to popla.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: DWMB2 on December 12, 2024, 07:35:50 pm
Select "Other". Use the business name if that's the one the notice was addressed to.

I'd recommend putting b789's suggested wording into a PDF and uploading that to the POPLA portal, rather than copying and pasting it into the online appeal form.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 12, 2024, 07:08:06 pm

Do I submit as “other” as the reason for appeal in popla and should I use the business details as name as was addressed on the letter from horizon?
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 12, 2024, 06:59:36 pm
Thanks b789.

I’ll just copy and paste the whole thing into my popla.

Will do tonight later.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on December 12, 2024, 05:56:09 pm
OK. So you need to use the following points in your POPLA appeal:

Quote
1. No Notice to Keeper (NtK) Received
2. Evidence of Posting the NtK Required
3. Reservation of Rights to Challenge PoFA Compliance
4. Non-Compliance with BPA/IPC Single Code of Practice
5. Evidence of Landowner Authority Required

1. No Notice to Keeper (NtK) Received

The Company, as the Registered Keeper of the vehicle, did not receive the Notice to Keeper (NtK). Upon receiving a reminder letter, the Company contacted the operator to complain that the original NtK had not been received. During this telephone conversation, the operator’s representative admitted that the NtK was “probably lost in the post” and advised that the Company could either pay the charge or appeal using the reminder letter. This statement demonstrates that no NtK was received.

The operator is attempting to rely on the provisions of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) to transfer liability from the driver to the Keeper. For this transfer of liability to be valid, the operator must comply with the strict statutory requirements of PoFA, which include the timely delivery of a compliant NtK to the Keeper. The failure to deliver the NtK undermines the operator's case.

2. Evidence of Posting the NtK Required

Under PoFA, Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(6), the NtK must be given to the Keeper within 14 days of the alleged parking event. It is the operator’s responsibility to demonstrate compliance with this requirement.

The Appellant puts the operator to strict proof that the original NtK was sent and delivered by requiring them to provide the following evidence:

• A Certificate of Posting, showing the date on which the NtK was sent.

or

• A delivery receipt or equivalent proof of service, confirming when the NtK was delivered to the Keeper.

Assertions alone by the operator that the NtK was sent are insufficient. Without documented evidence of posting or delivery, the operator cannot demonstrate compliance with PoFA’s requirements.

Failure to prove that the NtK was sent and delivered within the required timeframe renders the operator unable to transfer liability to the Keeper under PoFA.

3. Reservation of Rights to Challenge PoFA Compliance

Since no NtK was received, the Appellant cannot assess whether the operator complied with all the requirements of PoFA. The Appellant explicitly reserves the right to challenge the PoFA compliance of any NtK presented by the operator in their evidence pack, if/when received.

POPLA assessors are reminded that:

PoFA compliance must be absolute; partial or substantial compliance is insufficient to transfer liability to the Keeper.
This includes strict adherence to all prescribed wording, deadlines, and content requirements under Schedule 4, Paragraph 9.
Should the operator provide a copy of the NtK, the Appellant reserves the right to highlight any deficiencies or non-compliance in their response to the operator’s evidence.

4. Non-Compliance with BPA/IPC Single Code of Practice (SCoP)

The operator must comply with the BPA/IPC Single Code of Practice (SCoP) as a condition of their membership and in accordance with industry standards. In this case, the operator has failed to comply with the following SCoP provisions:

• Transparency in Communication: The operator failed to ensure that a compliant NtK was received by the Keeper, which is a fundamental procedural failure.
• Proper Escalation Processes: The operator advised the Keeper to appeal using the reminder letter, despite the absence of the original NtK. This does not align with fair and professional practices expected under the SCoP.
• Predatory Practices: The operator appears to rely on missing NtKs to proceed with charges against Keepers, contrary to the fair treatment principles outlined in the SCoP.

The operator is required to adhere to these standards, and their failure to do so casts doubt on the validity of the charge and the fairness of their conduct.

5. Evidence of Landowner Authority Required

The operator is required to have a valid, written contract with the landowner that:

• Grants them the authority to issue parking charges in their own name.
• Confirms their legal right to enforce parking terms on the land in question.

This is a mandatory requirement under both PoFA and the BPA/IPC Single Code of Practice. The Appellant puts the operator to strict proof to produce an unredacted copy of their contract with the landowner, showing that it:

• Grants them the authority to issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) in their own name.
• Covers the location where the parking event allegedly took place.
• Was valid on the date of the parking event.

Without such evidence, the operator has no legal standing to pursue this charge, and the PCN should be cancelled.

Conclusion

The operator has failed to establish Keeper liability under PoFA or demonstrate compliance with other legal and procedural requirements. Specifically:

• The original NtK was not received, as evidenced by the operator’s admission that it was “probably lost in the post.”
• The Appellant puts the operator to strict proof that the original NtK was posted and delivered, which requires verifiable evidence such as a Certificate of Posting or delivery receipt.
• The operator has failed to comply with key requirements of the BPA/IPC Single Code of Practice.
• The operator has not demonstrated that they hold a valid contract with the landowner giving them the authority to issue PCNs in their own name.

Given the above points, I request that POPLA uphold this appeal and cancel the Parking Charge Notice.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 12, 2024, 05:11:16 pm
Of course I had to log into the horizon portal with the pcn reference number and car reg. I just hit the challenge button and pasted the above. There was no inputs required anywhere to enter the name or company or any other details.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 12, 2024, 05:07:51 pm
No sign off or anything.

As above I have posted, this is exactly letter for letter what I wrote:


“ I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Horizon has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. Horizon have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.”

Hope this clarifies.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on December 12, 2024, 04:53:48 pm
I'm trying to understand how you appealed. Did you appeal in your name as a representative (director or whatever) of the company or did you simply appeal as "the company" without being named as an individual?

How was that appeal signed off? "Yours faithfully, XYZ company" or "Yours faithfully, John Doe, Director (or whatever), XYZ Company"?
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 12, 2024, 04:19:04 pm
Rejection letter via email I received .

https://www.ftla.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4262.0;attach=9518;image
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 12, 2024, 04:18:12 pm
Since the original pcn and the reminder was addressed to a business I thought I can reply back from a business owner perspective and responded as I am the keeper. I really could think of any other way to respond.

Rejection was addressed as Dear Appellant. It was served to my email. I’ve attached SS above.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on December 12, 2024, 12:52:35 pm
But the reminder letter was addressed to a company. The appeal submitted starts with "I am the keeper...".

So, unless the company is sentient, how can it respond with "I am the keeper..."?

Before you can appeal to POPLA, who is the appeal rejection addressed to? You, an individual or to the company?
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 11, 2024, 07:32:31 pm

The reminder is the only letter they sent to me. I rang up horizon about this and they confirmed it’s probably lost in the post and told me not to worry as I can pay it or challenge it with that reminder letter and they noted it on their system.

I challenged it with exactly a copy and paste as below from another thread within this website with the link attached above.

I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Horizon has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. Horizon have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: b789 on December 11, 2024, 03:45:44 pm
You’ve shown us the PCN reminder. That is useless. We need to see the original postal Notice to Keeper (NtK) with all dates and times showing. Also, what exactly did you put in your appeal?
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 11, 2024, 11:50:37 am
Yes it’s addressed to the business.

Ok thanks.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: DWMB2 on December 11, 2024, 11:49:36 am
So it's addressed to the business?

We can draft up a POPLA appeal for you - you've some time yet. I'll try to draft something up within the next few days.
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 11, 2024, 11:45:20 am
I did not provide a name. Silly me 🤦🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: DWMB2 on December 11, 2024, 11:26:47 am
You will need to clarify what you mean a little here.

You say that the vehicle is registered to a business, so presumably the notice is similarly addressed to the business. However, the thread you have linked to (from which you said you drafted an appeal) is worded for submission by an individual - "I am the keeper" - in whose name did you submit the appeal?
Title: HORIZON PARKING OVERSTAY @ Tesco PCN
Post by: Mocede28 on December 11, 2024, 10:50:48 am

Hi all.

I’ve had great help for one of my recent horizon pcn which is still in with popla and I’m waiting to hear back.

Here I have had another pcn from horizon Tesco car park for overstaying. This time in a different vehicle other than the one currently submitted to popla (personal vehicle). This pcn is for a business vehicle registered in a business name and business address. Horizon did not address me the driver or owner. I have responded to horizon after some diggin within this website and replied exactly from this thread here:

https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/horizon-tescos-exceeded-maximum-stay-period/msg34627/#msg34627

However horizon have wrote back to me rejecting my challenge please see attached pictures of original pcn sent to me and their rejection.

Thank you for taking your in reading this any help appreciated.

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