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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Paulfamhughes on December 09, 2024, 08:24:50 pm

Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: b789 on November 28, 2025, 12:51:23 pm
The mediation cal is a waste of everyone's time and is not suitable for these types of cases. However, the powers that be have decided that what used to be a voluntary thing is now mandatory. There is no requirement to engage with he mediation. The only mandatory requirement to "attend" the call.

In a small claims telephone mediation, what you experienced is, unfortunately, very typical, even if it felt poor in quality. The mediator is not a judge, not the claimant’s representative, and not there to explain the law or the claim to you. Their role is limited to checking that both sides are willing to negotiate, carrying offers back and forth, and seeing if a figure can be agreed. Because of that, when you asked questions at the start, it is standard for them to say things like “I can’t advise” or “I’m not obliged to provide that information”. It is unhelpful but common.

You were fully entitled to say that liability is denied and that your offer is £0. That is still a genuine offer. The mediator should treat that as participation in mediation, which in fact they did by taking your £0 position to the other side and returning with the claimant’s counter-offer of £300. What you said, along the lines of “liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised solicitor if they choose to discontinue”, is a sensible formulation and does not amount to a refusal to mediate. Some mediators work from a script and, when they hear “I deny liability and I am not paying anything”, they mentally tick a box that there is no basis to negotiate and start to question whether mediation is “suitable”. That is lazy, but it happens. The important point from the court’s perspective is that you attended, you listened, you clearly stated your position, and you made an offer, even if that offer was £0. The fact that no money changed hands does not mean you refused mediation.

For your own records (not for the court, because mediation is without prejudice), you can simply note that you attended the mediation, confirmed that you denied liability, offered £0, the claimant wanted £300, and no agreement was possible. That is a perfectly acceptable outcome. In parking and other bulk-litigation claims it is entirely standard for the claimant to start at or near the full claim value and hope that you will fold, and rejecting that and holding your ground at £0 when you deny liability is a reasonable stance. The mediator’s job is just to pass that back, and if neither side moves in a way that creates overlap, the session ends. A mediation that ends with “£0 versus £300, no settlement” is normal.

The mediator’s rudeness and apparent eagerness to cut the call short, while unpleasant, is also not unusual. Some mediators are courteous and patient; others are brisk to the point of being rude. They are working to strict time slots and sometimes treat the process like a production line. That does not excuse the behaviour, but it explains the rushed tone. You can complain to HMCTS about the service and the mediator’s manner if you wish. Any complaint would be about the quality of the service, not the outcome, and it will not affect the progress of the claim. It is mainly a matter of principle and feedback.

The one aspect that is genuinely not how the system is supposed to work is the handling of your N180. The form specifically allows you to nominate someone to attend mediation on your behalf and to provide their contact details. If those details were on the N180 filed with the court, the Small Claims Mediation Service should have had them available and either contacted that person or at least noted their details. Being told during the call that they did not have that information strongly suggests either an administrative error or that the mediator did not bother to check the file properly. This does not invalidate the mediation, but it is a legitimate ground for complaint and something you can later record in your witness statement. You can say that you properly completed the N180 with a representative’s details, that those details were not used, and that the mediator told you they did not have them, despite them being clearly set out on the Directions Questionnaire. That shows you tried to engage with ADR correctly and that any failure lay on the system side, not yours.

Procedurally, mediation has simply failed and the case will now move on. The claim will be or will already have been transferred to your local court. In due course you will receive a Notice of Allocation with a hearing date, directions, and deadlines for filing witness statements and evidence. Substantively, nothing you said in mediation can be used against you on the merits of the case, because mediation is on a without prejudice basis. You have not admitted liability, you have not made any monetary offer, and the claimant still has to prove their case in front of a judge in the usual way.

There is no reason to be worried about how this reflects on you. On the facts you have described, your conduct was reasonable, clear, and entirely consistent with denying liability. The problems you encountered, such as the mediator’s tone, the refusal to answer questions, and the apparent ignoring of your nominated representative, are service issues, not legal problems and not matters that put you at any disadvantage in front of the court.

You can email the following as a formal complaint to the SCMS at scmreferrals@justice.gov.uk:

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Re: Formal complaint about mediation conduct

Dear Small Claims Mediation Service,

Claim number: [claim number]
Parties: [Claimant] v [Defendant]
Mediation date: [date of mediation]
Mediator: [name if known]

I am writing to raise a formal complaint about the conduct of the telephone mediation in the above-referenced claim. I do not seek to challenge the outcome of the mediation itself. My concerns relate to (1) the mediator’s manner and perceived rudeness, and (2) the failure to act on information I had already provided on the N180 Directions Questionnaire.

First, at the start of the call I attempted to ask some basic questions about the process and about whether the claimant’s representative had authority to settle. The mediator refused to answer, stating in substance that they were not obliged to provide this information. When I then stated words to the effect of: “Please record that the claimant’s attendee has not confirmed settlement authority. My position remains that liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised solicitor if they choose to discontinue,” the mediator immediately asked whether I was rejecting mediation.

I had clearly indicated that I was willing to participate and had put forward an offer, albeit of £0, reflecting my denial of liability. Despite this, the mediator’s tone throughout was brusque and dismissive. I was frequently interrupted, there was little attempt to acknowledge or clarify my position, and the overall impression was that the mediator was keen to curtail the call rather than facilitate a constructive discussion. I found this demeanour unprofessional and not in keeping with the neutral, facilitative role I would reasonably expect from a court-provided mediation service.

Secondly, when I completed the N180 Directions Questionnaire I provided full contact details for a person authorised to attend mediation on my behalf. During the mediation call I was told that the mediation service “did not have” any such information. I have checked my own copy of the N180 and can confirm that the representative’s details are clearly and correctly recorded. It therefore appears that either this information was not accessed at all, or it was not acted upon, and my nominated representative was never contacted or involved.

For the avoidance of doubt, I did engage with the mediation process: I attended the arranged telephone appointment, confirmed that I denied liability, put forward an offer of £0, considered the claimant’s counter-offer of £300, and maintained my position. No agreement was reached. Any shortcomings in the process arose from the mediator’s approach and from the failure to use the representative details that had already been supplied to the court.

In light of the above, I respectfully request that you:

1. Log this as a formal complaint about the service provided in this mediation.
2. Review the mediator’s conduct, including the call recording, in relation to their manner, interruptions, and suggestion that my position amounted to a rejection of mediation despite my clear participation.
3. Investigate why the representative details given on my N180 were not available or used, and confirm what steps will be taken to ensure that such information is properly checked and followed in future.
4. Confirm that, on your records, I am not treated as having refused mediation or failed to engage with ADR in this matter.

I would be grateful for a written response addressing the points above.

Yours faithfully,

[Your full name]
[Your address]
[Your contact details]
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on November 28, 2025, 11:00:35 am
Morning,

I have had the mediation call today.

At the start, I asked several questions before setting out my position, however the mediator stated they were not obliged to provide this information. I then stated: “Please record that the claimant’s attendee has not confirmed settlement authority. My position remains that liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised solicitor if they choose to discontinue.” The mediator responded by asking if I was rejecting mediation.

They later returned to say my £0 offer had been rejected and the claimant had countered with £300. I rejected this and confirmed my position remained £0. I was then told the mediation had concluded. The mediator was notably rude, attempted to cut the call short, and the overall conduct felt very unprofessional.

Additionally, when completing the N180, I provided contact details for someone to attend the mediation on my behalf. This was not used, and I was told they did not have that information. I have since checked our submitted N180 and can confirm the correct details were included.

Is this how it normally goes?
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: b789 on November 27, 2025, 02:35:50 pm
For the mediation call, the only requirement is for you "attend" the call. It is not part of the judicial process and no judge is involved.

This is what I advise you to say when you receive the call from the mediator:

Before I set out my position, please confirm from the claimant’s side:

• the full name of the person attending for them;
• their role/position at their legal representative’s firm; and
• whether they hold written authority to negotiate and settle today.

Please relay that back to me before we continue.

After the mediator calls back...

If identified and authority confirmed:

Thank you. I’m content to proceed on that basis. My settlement offer is £0, or I invite the claimant to discontinue with no order as to costs.

If no/unclear authority:

Please record that the claimant’s attendee has not confirmed settlement authority. My position remains that liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised solicitor if they choose to discontinue.

If the mediator probes your defence:

In what capacity are you asking that question? Are you legally trained?  If not, please refrain from offering opinions. I will be reporting any attempt to do so as inappropriate.”

All you need to know is the name and the position of the person acting for the claimant and report that back to us. It will be over within minutes. Complete waste of time otherwise.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on November 26, 2025, 09:44:18 pm
Hello,

I now have meditation call this week, I have uploaded the file they sent me, stage 2 it mentions about explaining my defence? Is this new? what am I expected to say on this bit? Thank you.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on October 06, 2025, 11:07:21 am
🤣No I am just making sure I haven't missed anything. Thank you.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: b789 on October 06, 2025, 10:13:27 am
AS long as the claim number is in the subject field, that is that really matters. Do I really have to suggest something you can put in the body of the email?
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on October 05, 2025, 02:36:59 pm
Perfect thank you for your help, do I put anything of the body of the email? or just Claim No: ***** in the subject?
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: b789 on October 05, 2025, 02:14:43 pm
There is no reason to delay submitting the N180DQ. You do that by email as advised.

Have another read of the instructions for the mediation phone call. I believe it says you can nominate someone to take the call for you. Also, you can put in the N180 that the defendant is not available on any Tuesday or Thursday or whatever.

It's not rocket science. However, for the mediation cal, here is some advice for whoever takes the call:

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For the mediation call, the only requirement is for you "attend" the call. It is not part of the judicial process and no judge is involved.

This is what I advise you to say when you receive the call from the mediator:

Before I set out my position, please confirm from the claimant’s side:

• the full name of the person attending for them;
• their role/position at their legal representative’s firm; and
• whether they hold written authority to negotiate and settle today.

Please relay that back to me before we continue.

After the mediator calls back...

If identified and authority confirmed:

Thank you. I’m content to proceed on that basis. My settlement offer is £0, or I invite the claimant to discontinue with no order as to costs.

If no/unclear authority:

Please record that the claimant’s attendee has not confirmed settlement authority. My position remains that liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised solicitor if they choose to discontinue.

All you need to know is the name and the position of the person acting for the claimant and report that back to us. It will be over within minutes. Complete waste of time otherwise.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on October 05, 2025, 02:05:03 pm
Afternoon,

I have now received N180 I have downloaded from the link you have sent, questions:

E1 for the mediation, the claim is against my partner but can I attend the mediation on their behalf due to work commitment's it will be harder for them to make the call due to not being able to use the phone at work or can I state that in E2 saying Tuesday to Friday not available.

F4 Partner works Tuesday to Friday will they give enough notice to be able to book it off or do I put that on the dates not available.

One last thing the letter (N149A) is dated the 30/09/2025, do I send back the N180 back whenever or delay until the last day? (whatever date that is?)

Thank you
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: b789 on July 16, 2025, 11:42:50 pm
For now just send the defence and draft order as advised.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on July 15, 2025, 10:04:49 pm
Ok thank you I will just submit the defence and draft as one pdf I see I put the claim number and defendants full name, I leave claimant as claimant?. I am a little lost with your last reply but will that become more clear once I send this defence and draft or is that an additional I need to do? Sorry for all the questions I want to get this right thank you for your help.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: b789 on July 13, 2025, 09:48:55 am
Only you know what is best for you. Once the defence is submitted, the CNBC will send a copy to the claimant. Once the claimant has received the defence, DCB Legal will write to you confirming that their client intends to proceed and they'll include a copy of their N180 DQ form for your records. You will need to download and complete your own N180 DQ and send it to the CNBC and copy in DCB Legal.

This will take a few weeks most likely. Once the DQs are submitted, you will receive a telephone appointment for mediation. this is not part of the judicial process and no judge is involved but you must 'attend' the call. It's a complete waste of time and all you do is offer £0 and it is over in minutes.

You can check your MCOL history for when your own DQ has been sent and simply complete yours online and email it. You can do that from anywhere in the world as long as you have internet access.

When the time comes for completing the DQ, just follow these instructions:

Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on July 12, 2025, 04:37:07 pm
Thank you, what do you suggest I do I am going abroad next week for a couple of weeks am I best doing the AoS to give more time or if I submit the defence today it will be a while until I hear back?
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: b789 on July 12, 2025, 02:57:40 pm
With an issue date of 9th July, you have until 4pm on Monday 28th July to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 11th August to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you combine both documents as a single PDF attachment and send as an attachment in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of [claimant] v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

[Claimant]

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4. The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tcewefk7daozuje25chkl/Strikeout-order-v2.pdf?rlkey=wxnymo8mwcma2jj8xihjm7pdx&st=nbtf0cn6&dl=0)
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on July 12, 2025, 11:39:49 am
https://photos.app.goo.gl/pgmyCDnMKLF3dnD27

I have uploaded on the above linked
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: jfollows on July 12, 2025, 11:35:27 am
Morning,

They have ignored the previous email you advised to send and today we received in the post a claim form from the county court, what are my next steps and do you need me to upload any of the paper work? Also the original letter said £480 and now it is showing as £704.34 pluss court fees £844.34 not sure how they have added 224.34 Thank you
Yes, post the N1SDT form, do not obscure any dates.

If you’re not sure, post it, but no need to post blank forms.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on July 12, 2025, 11:25:44 am
Morning,

They have ignored the previous email you advised to send and today we received in the post a claim form from the county court, what are my next steps and do you need me to upload any of the paper work? Also the original letter said £480 and now it is showing as £704.34 pluss court fees £844.34 not sure how they have added 224.34 Thank you
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: b789 on June 29, 2025, 01:05:02 pm
They won't have given up but they have 6 years from the date of the alleged contravention to submit a claim. Just get on with your life and worry about anything when it comes.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on June 29, 2025, 09:36:35 am
Afternoon,

It's been a around 2 months since the last reply you advised to send, is this standard practice for them to take this long? Or is it likely they have given up? Thank you
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on April 23, 2025, 03:41:32 pm
Thank you I have replied to them now.  :)
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: b789 on April 23, 2025, 03:33:58 pm
Sorry so I leave that in?

Yes. I've corrected the formatting error that left the "[/indent]" in there. Just send it as it is now.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on April 23, 2025, 03:28:03 pm
Sorry so I leave that in?
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: b789 on April 23, 2025, 03:23:13 pm
No.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on April 23, 2025, 03:01:39 pm
Thank you sorry in section 4 [/indent] do I need to put something in there?
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: b789 on April 23, 2025, 02:30:55 pm
Respond to DCB legal at info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC yourself as follows:

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By email to: info@dcblegal.co.uk

[Your Name]
[Your Address]

[Date]

Dear Sirs,

Re: Letter of Claim dated 20th March 2025 | Your Response dated [Insert Date]

I write further to your correspondence in reply to my email dated 31st March 2025.

Regrettably, your response is entirely unsatisfactory and falls materially short of your obligations under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (PAPDC).

Contrary to the requirements of Paragraph 5.1 and Annex 1 of the Protocol, your response to my legitimate and reasonable questions was vague, evasive, and non-specific. I remind you that one of the key aims of the PAPDC is to promote early engagement and exchange of information to avoid unnecessary litigation. Your failure to provide proper clarification frustrates that purpose and may amount to unreasonable conduct.

In particular:

1. Debt Recovery Surcharge:

You have failed to provide a specific contractual or legal basis for the £70 add-on per PCN. Simply stating that “you would have been made aware of this through signage” is both insufficient and misleading. You have also failed to identify whether this is a genuine third-party cost or simply a fictitious uplift to profit from litigation. The claim that this charge "does not include any VAT" fails to address whether it should, and whether it has been accounted for correctly in line with HMRC regulations, particularly if no third party has been paid.

2. Nature of the Principal Sum:

You confirm that the parking charges are pleaded as damages for breach of contract, yet elsewhere in the same letter you assert that a contract was formed by the act of parking, implying a fee for service. This internal inconsistency raises further questions as to the legal basis upon which the claim is brought.

3. Chronology and Status of Notices:

You assert that Notices to Keeper were sent between 2019 and 2020. You also claim the reminders stated that legal action “may be taken.” However, you fail to explain the reason for the substantial delay between those notices and your current Letter of Claim in 2025, which appears designed to aggregate and inflate claims that should have been addressed contemporaneously.

Moreover, you imply that this matter is now urgent, yet your client took no action for over four years. If a claim is issued, I reserve the right to raise arguments of abuse of process and/or cause of action estoppel.

4. Inaccurate and Misleading Statements:

Your letter contains inconsistencies regarding the quantum of the alleged debt. The fact that the three PCNs in question carry different base sums (£70 for one and £100 for two), yet all have a uniform £70 surcharge, further demonstrates the arbitrary nature of the added fees and the lack of transparency in your calculations.

Final Warning

If you are unable or unwilling to provide a full and accurate response to the questions I have raised, in compliance with the PAPDC, I will have no hesitation in bringing this conduct to the attention of the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA). The use of mendacious and boilerplate tactics to pressure payment of questionable debts raises serious concerns under the SRA Principles and Code of Conduct, in particular:

• Principle 1: Upholding the rule of law and the proper administration of justice;
• Principle 2: Acting with integrity; and
• Principle 5: Acting in a way that encourages equality, diversity and inclusion, particularly in matters involving vulnerable parties or long-outstanding claims.

Please treat this letter as a formal notification that your response is non-compliant with the Pre-Action Protocol and that further failures may be referred to the appropriate regulatory authorities. I also reserve the right to present this correspondence to the court, should your client pursue proceedings.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on April 23, 2025, 02:00:20 pm
Afternoon,

I have now had a response please see below, one thing to add the address they refer to as my previous we still have access to & we do not recall ever receiving this letters & also back when we parked in these premises the signs all had different wording & times etc. 

We write in response to correspondence received in our office dated 31st March 2025.       

We have made a record that’s you dispute this parking charge. In addition to this we have made a record of your two questions:       

1.      Whether the debt recovery fee is inclusive of VAT         

2.      Whether the Parking Charge is being pleaded as damages or as consideration for parking.   
 
Each of the points raised in your correspondence are dealt with in turn below. We now respond to the same as follows     

Prior to the issue of the parking charge, our Client applied to the DVLA for the details of the Registered Keeper of the Vehicle. Your name and address (-------- )were provided. Our Client therefore correctly issued correspondence to you at that address. Having not received payment, address verification was carried out prior to the Letter of Claim being sent. Your new address was located and as such the Letter of Claim was issued to you at the traced address.

Our client took reasonable steps to identify you and your correct address; but it is ultimately your responsibility as the vehicles registered keeper, to update the DVLA of any changes to your registered address through the use of your vehicles V5.

The parking charge was not affixed to the vehicle because our client utilises Automatic Number Plate Recognition (“ANPR”) technology on the land where the parking charge was issued in order to manage the parking. This means that cameras capable of accurately recognising the vehicle registration number of a vehicle are constantly monitoring the entrance and exit to the land.  A photograph is taken of each vehicle as it enters and exits the land. Any vehicle found to have breached the terms of parking will be issued with a parking charge via the post.

When parking on private land, the contractual terms of the site are set out on the signs. You are entering a contract and agreeing to the terms by parking and staying on the site. Parking in breach of the terms as stipulated on the signage means that you are then breaking the terms of the contract. The breach in contract would make you liable for a parking charge.   

The terms and conditions on the signs stated 150 minutes maximum stay, or otherwise a parking charge notice would be issued. The vehicle was recorded on the land for 329 minuets on 16th September 2019, 179 minuets on 7th October 2019 and 355 minuets on 6th March 2020, which was at all material times in excess of the maximum time permitted. As such the parking charges was issued correctly. 
 

The Notices to Keeper were issued to you on 20th September 2019, 13th October 2019 and 11th March 2020. You were afforded the opportunity to; appeal the parking charge, transfer liability to the driver (if it was not you) or make payment. Neither a successful appeal, nor an adequate nomination were received, yet payment remains outstanding. 
 
The Reminder Notices were issued to you upon receipt of the Notices to Keeper.  This notice reiterated that payment was outstanding and confirmed that legal action may be taken and additional costs incurred if the parking charge was not paid.     

In regard to the debt recovery fee of £70.00 being claimed, you would have been made aware of this through the signs available on the car parks site as previously mentioned above. This does not include any VAT. The HMRC ‘VAT Supply and Consideration manual’ (VATSC06140), which was last updated on 02 September 2020, confirmed that parking charge notices falls out of the scope of VAT. There is no requirement for a VAT invoice to be issued to you.       

Further to the above, in accordance with the appeal decision made on 29th July 2020 in Britannia Parking Group Ltd v Semark-Julien [2020] EW Mis 12 (CC), it is not correct to propose this claim should be struck out as an ‘abuse of process’ due to the contractual costs claimed.         

With reference to the above, this parking charge is being pleaded as a breach of contract to which damages are payable in light of the matters raised in this correspondence.   

Pursuing a legally owed debt is not harassment. You may wish to seek independent legal advice in this regard. Our client pursuing this matter through the Small Claims Court is the correct course of action.

DCB Legal have been instructed as all previous attempts to resolve the matter have been unsuccessful.   

You have 30 days from the date of this letter to pay the outstanding balance of £480.00. Failure to do so will result in a claim being issued against you without further notice.


What are my next steps
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: b789 on April 01, 2025, 10:48:01 am
You can just send it as an email. When you hear anything back, let us know.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on March 31, 2025, 09:31:33 pm
Thank you I have send this this evening so I put it in the email or as a pdf? Am I likely to here back from them? If so re the next steps. Thank you
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: b789 on March 28, 2025, 03:29:47 pm
Respond to the LoC as follows to info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself:

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By email to: info@dcblegal.co.uk

[Date]

Dear Sirs,

Re: Letter of Claim dated 20th March 2025

I refer to your Letter of Claim.

I confirm that my address for service at this time is as follows, and I request that any outdated address be erased from your records to ensure compliance with data protection obligations:

[YOUR ADDRESS]

Please note that the alleged debt is disputed, and any court proceedings will be robustly defended.

I note that the sum claimed has been increased by an excessive and unjustifiable amount, which appears contrary to the principles established by the Government, who described such practices as “extorting money from motorists.” Please refrain from sending boilerplate responses or justifications regarding this issue.

Under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, I require specific answers to the following questions:

1. Does the additional £60 per PCN represent what you describe as a “Debt Recovery” fee? If so, is this figure net of or inclusive of VAT? If inclusive, I trust you will explain why I, as the alleged debtor, am being asked to cover your client’s VAT liability.

2. Regarding the principal sum of the alleged Parking Charge Notice (PCN): Is this being claimed as damages for breach of contract, or will it be pleaded as consideration for a purported parking contract?

I would caution you against simply dismissing these questions with vague or boilerplate responses, as I am fully aware of the implications. By claiming that PCNs are exempt from VAT while simultaneously inflating the debt recovery element, your client – with your assistance – appears to be evading VAT obligations due to HMRC. Such mendacious conduct raises serious questions about the legality and ethics of your practices.

I strongly advise your client to cease and desist. Should this matter proceed to court, you can be assured that these issues will be brought to the court’s attention, alongside a robust defence and potentially a counterclaim for unreasonable conduct.

Yours faithfully,


[YOUR NAME]
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on March 27, 2025, 07:16:49 pm
Hello,
I have now received a letter from dcbl legal what actions shall I take thank you. I have added the images to the Google photo link at the top.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on December 09, 2024, 10:49:34 pm
Ok perfect thank you for your help!
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: DWMB2 on December 09, 2024, 10:46:09 pm
But for now just ignore DCBL for now.
Yes - it's a Letter of Claim you're looking out for, or a claim form.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on December 09, 2024, 10:39:17 pm
Ah ok, I sold it to someone in my family, I think it might show on the V5C the previous RK and address if I am correct.

But for now just ignore DCBL for now.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: DWMB2 on December 09, 2024, 10:29:08 pm
The address that was on it isn't particularly relevant now. The reason I was mentioning it is that if it was wrong and you still had the vehicle, that you should update it asap to prevent future notices going astray.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on December 09, 2024, 10:24:41 pm
Afraid we no longer have the vehicle not sure if there is another way to check the address that was on the V5C.
Title: Re: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: DWMB2 on December 09, 2024, 10:15:24 pm
Before we get onto the case - because you cannot remember receiving any prior correspondence, if you still have the vehicle in question, you should dig out the V5C document and check it contains your correct home address.

DCBL are debt collectors and can be ignored - however, if you receive a Letter of Claim from their sister company, DCB Legal, or a claim form from the county court, come back here for advice.
Title: DCBL - G24 Ltd - 2019! homebase carpark BN3 7EX
Post by: Paulfamhughes on December 09, 2024, 08:24:50 pm
Hello,

We have received a letter from DCBL on some rather old PCNs the RK doesn't recall recieving anything in relation to exceeding the time of the car park, we know the car park and the signs used to state different things, I have been past in the last couple of days and taken up to date photos to help. Not sure what else to mention as this is the first we have heard of these PCNs and e to the timeframe. Just wondering on what actions to take if any? Any help on this would be very much appreciated. Feel free to ask questions to help and I will try my best.

Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/pgmyCDnMKLF3dnD27