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Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on June 07, 2025, 04:29:18 pm
It's a slow process. Patience is required. It can take many months.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on June 07, 2025, 02:00:51 pm
Hi @b789,

I hope all is well.

Do you know how long this allocation will take? It's been 3 months since I got that confirmation of mediation from the court that I attended the mediation, and I have had 0 correspondence since.

I am worried that I am going to miss something here.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on March 10, 2025, 12:47:56 pm
No action required. Wait for the notice of allocation and subsequent orders from your local county court.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on March 10, 2025, 12:18:41 pm
Just a quick update that I got the below e-mail from them confirming the attendance. Don’t think there is any action on my part as the claimant hasn’t been in touch.

(https://i.postimg.cc/tnNCc6Ws/Mediation-Not-Settled.png) (https://postimg.cc/tnNCc6Ws)
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on March 03, 2025, 11:13:52 am
Understood and thank you for clarifying.

I must have misremembered your previous advise as I thought this would never go to court.

I just re-read the posts and in your reply #5 from December 09, 2024, 04:13:15 pm where you said "Eventually the case will be allocated to your local county court and you'll receive a date for a hearing if the claim hasn't already been struck out. The claimant has to pay the £27 trial fee around a month before the hearing. They will discontinue before having to pay that fee. If they don't and you are the only one out of thousands I will have seen that has to go all the way to a hearing, you'd have to make your Witness Statement and send it to the court no later than (usually) 14 days before the hearing."

This was always going to be allocated and it's all as you've previously explained.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on March 03, 2025, 10:55:26 am
No. You’ve not done anything wrong. You have told the mediator that you want this to go to trial. End of.

Now you wait for a letter telling you that it has been transferred to your local court.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on March 03, 2025, 10:48:14 am
Hi @b789,

So did I pick the wrong option? Or this being allocated to the local court was always the route?

If I made a mistake can I fix it?
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on March 03, 2025, 10:35:52 am
Ignore the mediators comments, the judge will have no idea what was discussed at mediation. If an agreement is reached at mediation, the claim is settled and it doesn’t go to a judge. If the disputed amount is not settled at mediation then that is the end of the matter and the claim proceeds to the court. Nothing is stated or mention in anything about mediation.

It is not part of the judicial process and if the mediator, who is not even legally trained, suggested anything about the outcome of their failure to achieve a settlement being something you need to worry about, you should lodge a formal complaint.

At mediation you should have offered £0 and it would have been over in minutes.

Now you wait for the case to be sent to your local county court.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on March 03, 2025, 10:16:00 am
okay I was under the impression that it's not for the claimant to decide if this goes to court and just wasn't sure if me saying I want the judge to decide was skipping that part.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: DWMB2 on March 03, 2025, 10:14:34 am
Sounds about right. Keep going with the process now.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on March 03, 2025, 10:02:00 am
Hi @DWMB2 & @b789,

I just had my call and was told that although the Original cost was £259.88 they are willing to reduced to £200.

I was then explained the below options:

Option 1 - they took the deal
Option 2 - take it to the court
Option 3 - I want to sort it out, but not for the £200 they have offered.

I explained I wanted Option 2 and the representative said he would mark this as not settled and that the court/judge would review it and decide if this goes further.

Is this correct? If not should I call or email them?
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: DWMB2 on January 29, 2025, 10:31:29 am
Re. Explaining your position, brevity is your friend. I'd avoid getting into a protracted discussion. Tell them the claimant has received a copy of your defence, which outlines your position. Your position is that you do not owe the claimant anything, and you are therefore not willing to offer them anything.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on January 29, 2025, 10:26:12 am
Claim History was updated
DQ sent to you on 21/01/2025
DQ filed by claimant on 21/01/2025
You filed a DQ on 28/01/2025

And I got a Confirmation e-mail for a Mediation Appointment in early March. I do have a couple of questions regarding the e-mail:
1.
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You must make sure you have provided us with, or confirmed, the name and number of the person who will be conducting the mediation appointment. If you have not done this, or need to update your telephone number, you should contact us using the details at the end of this letter no less than 5 working days before your mediation appointment. Failure to do so may result in your mediation appointment not taking place and may result in a Judge issuing a penalty where the mediation was mandatory.

I put my details on the DQ so in theory they should already have everything. Does it mean I need to supply my info separately all it's fine as it it? They highlighted this in red.

2.
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Explaining your position. You will need to briefly explain your claim or defence to the mediator. You should prepare for yourself a brief summary of the main points.

What should I do here? Read the previously submitted defence? Prepare something new? Should I talk about what has happened from driver's perspective?
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on January 24, 2025, 03:24:59 pm
Trust me, whichever court you select, it will never reach a hearing stage and will be discontinued.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on January 24, 2025, 02:27:14 pm
If you've given a good reason (which you have) I imagine they will accommodate your request.

Understood thank you for this. This has now been sent:
(https://i.postimg.cc/KR2V5KyJ/N180-DQ-sent-to-the-court.png) (https://postimg.cc/KR2V5KyJ)

And got an auto-response from both parties:

Court:
(https://i.postimg.cc/BtDkDTRj/Auto-Eesponse-Confirmation-of-my-Email-Received-by-Court.png) (https://postimg.cc/BtDkDTRj)

DCB Legal:
(https://i.postimg.cc/JG5FY1rm/Auto-Eesponse-Confirmation-of-my-Email-Received-by-DCB-legal.png) (https://postimg.cc/JG5FY1rm)

@b789 has kindly explained that this case is 99% likely to be discontinued.

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You will receive your own DQ and you will have to complete it and send it to both the court and DCB Legal. After that you will receive a date for a mediation phone call. You are required to "attend" the call but it is not part of the actual judicial process and does not involve any judge or solicitor. It is a complete waste of time in cases like this and you simply offer £0 and I tis over in minutes and has no bearing on the process.

Eventually the case will be allocated to your local county court and you'll receive a date for a hearing if the claim hasn't already been struck out. The claimant has to pay the £27 trial fee around a month before the hearing. They will discontinue before having to pay that fee.

If they don't and you are the only one out of thousands I will have seen that has to go all the way to a hearing, you'd have to make your Witness Statement and send it to the court no later than (usually) 14 days before the hearing.

I will confirm once I had the phonecall. And if there is any help needed with the Witness Statement.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: DWMB2 on January 24, 2025, 01:39:47 pm
If you've given a good reason (which you have) I imagine they will accommodate your request.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on January 24, 2025, 01:13:50 pm
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When you receive your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those.

Yes this just came through in the post today.

(https://i.postimg.cc/sB5MYZc3/Notice-of-proposed-allocation-to-the-small-claims-track.png) (https://postimg.cc/sB5MYZc3)
 
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If your MCOL says it has been sent but you haven’t received it yet, just download your DQ own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

I have it on MCOL as well:
(https://i.postimg.cc/2LyjKq4b/Updated-MCOL.png) (https://postimg.cc/2LyjKq4b)


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• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option
Thanks for the help with the form @b789, I have done exactly as you said and put down: “Central London County Court Thomas More Building Strand London WC2A 2LL I am in London so much that it's much easier for me than in Bristol.”

Would this be an issue to have it in London given my home address is in Bristol? I am in London so much that it’s much easier for me than in Bristol.

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When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
As soon as you confirm regarding the court address I will do that. Do I need to send them anything else? Like my defence etc? or just the DQ form?
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on January 19, 2025, 12:35:53 am
Ignore what they put in their DQ. It will be allocated to your local court.

To answer your questions:

1. Who cares and ignore.
2. No.
3. Your MCOL history will say that your N180 DQ has been sent.

When you receive your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those.

If your MCOL says it has been sent but you haven’t received it yet, just download your DQ own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on January 18, 2025, 07:30:47 pm
Hi @b789,

The below response from DCB was sent over, saying that they have reviewed my defence and that their client intends to proceed, and that I can call them to discuss settlement. They also included a copy of their N180DQ.

(https://i.postimg.cc/zbFy0B5M/DCB-rejection-letter.png) (https://postimg.cc/zbFy0B5M)

MCOL is still unchanged;
•   Your acknowledgment of service was submitted on 09/12/2024 at 15:42:35
•   Your acknowledgment of service was received on 09/12/2024 at 16:05:06
•   Your defence was received on 21/12/2024

Questions
1.   I guess they need to now actually post it to the court, right? They also asked for the court hearing to be near their address.
2.   Does that mean I would need to go up north if this was to go to court?
3.   What does it need to say for me to be able to send the N180DQ?
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on January 05, 2025, 08:37:50 am
As expected.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on January 04, 2025, 05:32:43 pm
Hi @b789,

HNY!

Got the below letter from the court earlier today:
(https://i.postimg.cc/hGpnKz6L/Acknowledgment-of-service-letter.png) (https://postimg.cc/WDFCn32z)

No new updates on MCOL.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on December 27, 2024, 07:23:59 pm
I can now see the online MCOL website being updated stating that they got my defence.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Pp8Vw77Y/MCOL-defence-confirmation.png) (https://postimg.cc/Pp8Vw77Y)

I will keep checking this until it says that I need to submit the N180 Directions Questionnaire (DQ)

Updated Timeline:
05/12/2024 A claim was issued against you on
09/12/2024 at 15:42:35 Your acknowledgment of service was submitted
09/12/2024 at 16:05:06 Your acknowledgment of service was received
16/12/2024 at 10:12:00 My defence was e-mailed to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk
16/12/2024 at 10:13:00 Auto Replay from the e-mail I sent
19/12/2024 at 19:30:00 I noticed that MCOL has the "A bar has been put in place on this claim. You cannot respond to the claim at this time." message
20/12/2024 at 10:07:00 I called 0300 123 1056 and after 15min on hold I was told they put the bar in place so the case won't progress further while they review the documents.
21/12/2024 Your defence was received.

Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on December 20, 2024, 10:37:05 am
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Does the Money Claim Online (MCOL) portal also show the AoS and defence submission dates?

MCOL shows the AoS date but no mention of the defence that was e-mailed.

(https://i.postimg.cc/LqBjgnZV/Money-Claim-Online-MCOL.png) (https://postimg.cc/LqBjgnZV)

I just called the MCOL helpdesk on 0300 123 1056, please note that they have updated their details and it's 1056 and not 1057.

Anyway, after being asked verification questions I was just told that this is normal procedure as by AoS was submitted I had until 7th of Jan to submit the defence and given that I already have done it and got the auto-response e-mail she said it's all good.

Timeline:
05/12/2024 A claim was issued against you on
09/12/2024 at 15:42:35 Your acknowledgment of service was submitted
09/12/2024 at 16:05:06 Your acknowledgment of service was received
16/12/2024 at 10:12:00 My defence was e-mailed to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk
16/12/2024 at 10:13:00 Auto Replay from the e-mail I sent
19/12/2024 at 19:30:00 I noticed that MCOL has the "A bar has been put in place on this claim. You cannot respond to the claim at this time." message
20/12/2024 at 10:07:00 I called 0300 123 1056 and after 15min on hold I was told they put the bar in place so the case won't progress further while they review the documents.

I will check this weekly and keep you updated. Once again thank you for your time and help and wishing you a lovely festive period.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on December 19, 2024, 08:28:47 pm
Does the Money Claim Online (MCOL) portal also show the AoS and defence submission dates?

The message "A bar has been put in place on this claim. You cannot respond to the claim at this time." on the MCOL system indicates that the claim has progressed to the next stage of the process, and no further submissions or responses can be made by the defendant for now.

Since you have already submitted both the Acknowledgment of Service (AoS) and the Defence, this message usually means the claimant is now reviewing the defence. They have 28 days from the date the defence was served to decide whether to proceed with the claim, withdraw, or settle.

If the claimant chooses to proceed, the case will be transferred to your local court for the next stage, such as allocation to the small claims track. If the claimant does not take any action within the 28-day period, the claim will be stayed (put on hold), and they will need to apply to the court (and pay a fee) to resume proceedings.

This is standard procedure and nothing to worry about. At this stage, you should monitor your MCOL account for updates and wait for further correspondence from the court or the claimant. If you need to take any action (e.g., complete a Directions Questionnaire), you will be notified in due course.

Occasionally, the MCOL system may show this message due to a technical issue, especially if the system is temporarily restricting access for updates or internal processing. If everything else is in order (AoS and defence submitted on time), it might just be an anomaly.

The court may have flagged the case for administrative reasons, such as verifying the defence submission or ensuring all required documents are processed. This could temporarily "bar" further responses while the court updates the status of the claim.

Confirm that your AoS and defence were submitted within the correct timeframes. If these were submitted late, the claimant could have requested a bar.

You can call the MCOL helpdesk at 0300 123 1057 to clarify why this message appears. They can provide insight into whether this is a routine update or if further action is required.

If the defence has been correctly submitted and you are within the timeline, the system will typically update once the claimant’s 28-day period to respond elapses or they take further action. If this message persists and you receive no updates, document the timeline of your submissions and interactions. This ensures you can defend against any procedural error claims by the claimant
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on December 19, 2024, 07:35:53 pm
Thanks for this, I will put this together soon.

I just checked on the portal and it says "A bar has been put in place on this claim. You cannot respond to the claim at this time."

Issue Date is 05/12/2024 (exactly 2 weeks ago) and I already submitted AoS and my defence, so why is there a bar?
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on December 16, 2024, 01:20:52 pm
The auto response (and your CC copy) are your delivery receipt. It may actually take longer than 10 days to get a response, especially at this time of year. Don't be surprised if it takes longer.

The next comms you should expect it a letter from the CNBC telling you that your defence has been passed to the claimant. What you don't know is when the CNBC actually sent it to them.

You should also expect a letter from DCB Legal saying that they have reviewed your defence and their client intends to proceed. They will also include a copy of their N180DQ which you simply file. You are waiting for your own N180DQ.

You can check your MCOL history to see when yours has been sent. However, you can preempt that by downloading your own and completing it online ready to save as a PDF file and attach it to a single email which will be sent to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and Ccd to yourself.

Do not send your DQ until it shows in your MCOL history that yours has been sent. When the paper version arrives, you can bin it as long as you have your PDF copy on your computer.

You sign it by typing your full name for the signature and make sure that the claim number goes in the email subject field.

Here are some answers for the most commonly asked questions about the form:

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Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-n180-directions-questionnaire-small-claims-track

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".
To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".
C1: "YES"
D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question."
F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option
F3: "1".
Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on December 16, 2024, 10:23:03 am
Hi b789,

I can confirm that both Defence & Defence Order were sent to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk with a subject line including the case reference.

I changed these things as per your post:
1. Defendant's full name
2. Claim number
3. Signed the defence by typing defendant's full name for the signature
4. Dated it

(https://i.postimg.cc/mPjJ06vy/Defence-submitted.png) (https://postimg.cc/mPjJ06vy)

I got an autoreplay but it has no reference number.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QBMwsJsG/Auto-response.png) (https://postimg.cc/QBMwsJsG)

Says it will take 10 days to update so I will keep checking the online portal to see if they made any updates there.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on December 09, 2024, 04:33:13 pm
Here is your defence and a link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your full name, the claim number and to sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and dating it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order. When you've done that, you should save both documents as PDF files and attach them to an email addressed to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of UK Parking Control Ltd v [your full name] Claim No.: [claim number]".

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

UK Parking Control Ltd.


Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE


1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(d) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated;

(e) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(f) The PoC states that the Claimant is suing the defendant as the driver or the keeper. The claimant obviously knows whether the defendant is being sued as the driver or the keeper and should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action.

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which he/she/it faces and can then respond properly to the claim.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/gmpkg6f843yga1sw1iwdo/short-defence-order.docx?rlkey=ppd7dwlale9j25111548n2e1j&st=orkat6rg&dl=0)

You may want to delay sending it until nearer the deadline so as to leave it all to early in the new year. Enjoy the holiday season without having to deal with these time wasters.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on December 09, 2024, 04:26:26 pm
Of course. It's what we do!
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on December 09, 2024, 04:25:26 pm
You will submit your defence (and a draft order to go with it). This will then be sent to DCB Legal for their review. They will respond by letter to you saying that their client has reviewed the defence and intends to proceed with the claim. They usually include a copy of their N180 Directions Questionnaire (DQ) which you can simply file away.

You will receive your own DQ and you will have to complete it and send it to both the court and DCB Legal. After that you will receive a date for a mediation phone call. You are required to "attend" the call but it is not part of the actual judicial process and does not involve any judge or solicitor. It is a complete waste of time in cases like this and you simply offer £0 and I tis over in minutes and has no bearing on the process.

Eventually the case will be allocated to your local county court and you'll receive a date for a hearing if the claim hasn't already been struck out. The claimant has to pay the £27 trial fee around a month before the hearing. They will discontinue before having to pay that fee.

If they don't and you are the only one out of thousands I will have seen that has to go all the way to a hearing, you'd have to make your Witness Statement and send it to the court no later than (usually) 14 days before the hearing.

However, this case is 99% likely to be discontinued.

Got it and to be crystal clear, you will kindly help me with my defence and it will be sent via an e-mail?
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on December 09, 2024, 04:13:15 pm
You will submit your defence (and a draft order to go with it). This will then be sent to DCB Legal for their review. They will respond by letter to you saying that their client has reviewed the defence and intends to proceed with the claim. They usually include a copy of their N180 Directions Questionnaire (DQ) which you can simply file away.

You will receive your own DQ and you will have to complete it and send it to both the court and DCB Legal. After that you will receive a date for a mediation phone call. You are required to "attend" the call but it is not part of the actual judicial process and does not involve any judge or solicitor. It is a complete waste of time in cases like this and you simply offer £0 and I tis over in minutes and has no bearing on the process.

Eventually the case will be allocated to your local county court and you'll receive a date for a hearing if the claim hasn't already been struck out. The claimant has to pay the £27 trial fee around a month before the hearing. They will discontinue before having to pay that fee.

If they don't and you are the only one out of thousands I will have seen that has to go all the way to a hearing, you'd have to make your Witness Statement and send it to the court no later than (usually) 14 days before the hearing.

However, this case is 99% likely to be discontinued.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on December 09, 2024, 03:54:52 pm
Yes, I missed that. You will also note one of the errors in their Particulars of Claim (PoC). The state that the PCN was issued on 7/7/2024 when in fact it was "issued" on 9/7/2024. Just one of their typical failures to do their homework. A Notice to Keeper (NtK) PCN cannot be "issued" o the same day as the alleged contravention because the operator has to apply to the DVL for the Keepers data.

It's just one point of several that will be used for the defence.

No worries, and once again thank you for your help on this.

I can confirm that the AoS was now submitted:

(https://i.postimg.cc/bZDBx95m/Acknowledgment-of-service-edited.png) (https://postimg.cc/bZDBx95m)

(https://i.postimg.cc/KRYVz2DS/MCOL-website.png) (https://postimg.cc/KRYVz2DS)

COuld you tell me what are the next steps/timelines?
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on December 09, 2024, 03:43:14 pm
Yes, I missed that. You will also note one of the errors in their Particulars of Claim (PoC). The state that the PCN was issued on 7/7/2024 when in fact it was "issued" on 9/7/2024. Just one of their typical failures to do their homework. A Notice to Keeper (NtK) PCN cannot be "issued" o the same day as the alleged contravention because the operator has to apply to the DVL for the Keepers data.

It's just one point of several that will be used for the defence.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: correcthaunt on December 09, 2024, 03:32:44 pm
You should show us the Particulars of Claim (PoC) on the N1SDT Claim Form. However, if you follow our advice, nothing will come of this a they will discontinue some time next year.

With an issue date of 5th December, you have until Tuesday 24th December to submit your Acknowledgement of Service (AoS). There is no advantage in delaying the AoS but having submitted it, you then have until 4pm on Tuesday 7th January 2025 to submit your defence.

For now, follow the instructions in this PDF on how to submit the AoS:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

When you've done that, give us a reminder in a few days so that we can put your defence together.

Hi b789,

Thank you for your prompt response.

Are you after this?

(https://i.postimg.cc/NLfz0tQ8/Claim-Form.png) (https://postimg.cc/NLfz0tQ8)

This is the first page of the PDF in the original post.

I am doing the AoS now.
Title: Re: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton
Post by: b789 on December 09, 2024, 03:28:24 pm
You should show us the Particulars of Claim (PoC) on the N1SDT Claim Form. However, if you follow our advice, nothing will come of this a they will discontinue some time next year.

With an issue date of 5th December, you have until Tuesday 24th December to submit your Acknowledgement of Service (AoS). There is no advantage in delaying the AoS but having submitted it, you then have until 4pm on Tuesday 7th January 2025 to submit your defence.

For now, follow the instructions in this PDF on how to submit the AoS:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

When you've done that, give us a reminder in a few days so that we can put your defence together.
Title: UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton Tria
Post by: correcthaunt on December 09, 2024, 03:04:57 pm
UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton Triangle Retail Park, 5 Claps Gate Lane, London, E6 6LG

Hi all & @b789,

I hope you are well and thank you for taking the time to look into this for me.

@b789 – I am tagging you here as I saw your response on another post dealing with something similar and I would appreciate your input.

Summary
I just received (09.12.2024) a claim form issued 05.12.2024 from UK Parking Control Limited issued by DCB Legal LTD.

The reason: Not Parked Correctly Within the Markings of The Bay or Space.

They claim an absurd amount of £259.88 in a free carpark, broken down as such;
• Amount Claimed £174.88
• Court Fee £35.00
• Solicitor Costs £50.00

I believe I need to respond to the “Acknowledgment of Service” by no later than 24th of December 2024 if my understanding is correct. I think there is also an option to extend this by 28 days.

The situation
The driver went to the B&M in Beckton Triangle Retail Park. The supermarket tends to be busy and from experience the driver knew not to park there and instead park in front of Harveys Furniture Beckton. Harveys Furniture Beckton never has any customers/lights on and the car park in front of it is basically empty. According to the following website the store is closed: https://foursquare.com/v/harveys/5bfda1d7dbde11002506c8ce

Here is the layout of the carpark, where the car was parked and some google images to show the business of the car park as per google. There are no pictures from the day. Happy to go back there should more pictures be required.

Bird’s View of the car park with where the car was parked:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Ny0Sywcr/Bird-s-View.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ny0Sywcr)

Link to that location: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5225563,0.0696586,109m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Good representation of what the car park tends to look like i.e. B&M side busy and Harveys side empty(ier):

(https://i.postimg.cc/BXGzTF33/Good-representation-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/BXGzTF33)
(https://i.postimg.cc/G4LSN19S/Good-representation-2.png) (https://postimg.cc/G4LSN19S)

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5223471,0.0697806,3a,87.4y,338.78h,87.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1st3Nt6x_YtkXo8cMbRMW3Rw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D2.593455110269119%26panoid%3Dt3Nt6x_YtkXo8cMbRMW3Rw%26yaw%3D338.7831079553184!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

The driver spent approximately 45min to 1h in B&M and left the car park.

It’s also worth noting that I, the registered keeper, spend half my time in one address in Bristol (where the car is registered to) and other half in a London address.

On the 12th of July, I, the registered keeper was notified by other households of the Bristol address of receiving some mail while I was in London (due to work, and other events). After which I drove to Europe and didn’t return back to the UK until mid-August. Now that PCN was seen mid/late August, past the discounted time-period. Here is the PCN:

(https://i.postimg.cc/0K7Bgkph/PCN-picture.png) (https://postimg.cc/0K7Bgkph)

Shortly after the registered keeper's return, I got the Final Reminder (even though nothing else has been sent since the above PCN):

(https://i.postimg.cc/gXX7Dqrz/DCBL-Final-Reminder.png) (https://postimg.cc/gXX7Dqrz)

And then at the beginning of November I got this Letter of Claim:

(https://i.postimg.cc/8J20nJrh/DCB-Letter-of-Claim.png) (https://postimg.cc/8J20nJrh)

Followed by the letter from the Tribunal – see attached the scanned PDF file named “Edited Copy-redacted”

I would like to contest this however before I submit anything, I wanted to check with the forum first.

My questions:
1. Can anyone let me know what’s the best course of action?
2. I understand that my response will be back to the claimant who then decides if they accept my offer or goes to the court. As I am willing to give them £0 then I can imagine this would go to the court. Is it true that I need to pay a court fee of £303 to defend myself?
3. Any other advice is highly appreciated.

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