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Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: jfollows on January 21, 2026, 09:08:54 am
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Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: Mustek on January 21, 2026, 09:07:04 am
@badrav Your MCOL password is left unredacted in page 2. Please redact it or otherwise someone else could file a response on your behalf.
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on January 21, 2026, 07:34:31 am
@b789 got this through the post

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Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: b789 on December 16, 2025, 12:34:24 pm
Reply to the LoC with the following:

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Response to Letter Before Action dated 01 December 2025

Dear Sirs,

I write in response to your Letter Before Action dated 01 December 2025.

This response is provided pursuant to the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims. Liability is denied in full.

1. Keeper liability under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 is denied

You assert keeper liability under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

You have provided only hybrid mail material. That is not, without more, proof of the date of posting for the purposes of PoFA paragraph 9(6). Hybrid mail records commonly evidence only generation, print, batching, or handover to a third party, and do not necessarily evidence the date the notice was actually posted or injected into the postal system.

You are therefore put to strict proof of the date of posting, meaning the date on which the Notice to Keeper was actually posted or injected into the postal system, so that the statutory presumption of delivery can properly arise.

If you cannot prove the actual posting or injection date, you cannot establish that the Notice to Keeper was given within the relevant 14 day period required by PoFA paragraph 9(4), and keeper liability does not arise.

2. Presumption of service is denied unless strict proof is provided

Any reliance on a presumed delivery date is rejected unless and until you provide strict proof of posting as set out above.

For the avoidance of doubt, I require documentary evidence showing the actual posting or injection date, for example a statement of mailing, certificate of posting, Royal Mail collection manifest, or equivalent auditable dispatch log from the hybrid mail provider identifying the item and the date it entered the postal system.

Absent that, you cannot rely on PoFA paragraph 9(6). You must instead pursue the driver, whose identity you have neither established nor evidenced.

3. Denial of appeal rights and failure to treat the complaint properly

No Notice to Keeper was received. The first correspondence received was a debt recovery demand for an inflated sum. This denied the registered keeper any meaningful opportunity to engage with the charge at the reduced rate or to appeal within 28 days.

Any suggestion that an appeal outside 28 days is solely at the operator’s discretion is not a complete answer to defective service and the resulting denial of process. The later provision of a copy does not cure defective service or retrospectively reinstate the opportunity that was lost.

4. Misleading reliance on ParkingEye v Beavis press material

You have enclosed a press release or press summary relating to ParkingEye v Beavis.

Press summaries are not part of any judgment, are not authoritative, and cannot be relied upon as legal reasoning. Beavis turned on its own facts, including clear and prominent signage, a legitimate interest established on evidence, and an undisputed contractual framework. None of that is established by providing a decade-old press handout.

If you intend to rely on Beavis, you must identify the precise proposition you say it supports in this case and provide the evidence to prove the necessary factual foundation.

5. Inflated and unrecoverable sum

The sum demanded, including any add-on above the original parking charge, is denied. Any attempt to recover additional sums beyond the parking charge will be challenged as unrecoverable and as an abuse of process. Provide a full breakdown of the sum claimed and the legal basis for each element.

6. Documents required to narrow the issues and comply with pre-action conduct

Before the matter can be properly considered, you must supply:

a. Proof of the actual posting or injection date of the Notice to Keeper, as set out above
b. A copy of the Notice to Keeper and all other notices sent, in the form actually sent
c. All photographs relied upon, including any ANPR images and a full chronology of timestamps
d. The signage terms relied upon, including close-ups, entrance signage, and a site plan showing sign locations as at the material date
e. The landowner contract or chain of authority authorising enforcement and litigation in your own name at this location
f. A full breakdown of the sum claimed and the basis for any added amounts
g. If you allege the recipient was the driver, your evidence of driver identity

Until these are supplied, the claim is not properly particularised and proceedings would be premature.

7. Costs warning

If proceedings are issued without providing the documents requested above and without addressing the absence of strict proof of posting, I will seek strike out or summary disposal and will seek costs for unreasonable conduct.

This response is provided without any admission and with all rights reserved.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on December 16, 2025, 05:24:23 am
@b789

Got this through yesterday, not sure why they have sent despite reply from a while back to the previous one- should I respond at all?

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Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: b789 on August 17, 2025, 02:26:07 pm
The above is a response to her idiotic reply.
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on August 17, 2025, 01:51:03 pm
Please confirm whether these are the actual dates in the BPA response or are they typos made when transcribing to this post?

If this is meant to be “07/10/2024” (7 October), it still raises the question of how they’ve calculated the delivery date without any proof of posting. They are simply inserting a presumed delivery date to fit within the 14-day limit without requiring CEL to produce the mandated evidence.

Yes this is exactly what was in the reply surprisingly

In which case I suggest you respond to Ms Staunton with the following:

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Subject: BPA’s Deliberate Misapplication of PoFA Delivery Presumption

Dear Ms Staunton,

Your dismissal of the rebuttal to the statutory presumption of service is precisely the reason PPSCoP Section 8.1.2(d) Note 2 exists in the first place.

You know full well that under PoFA Schedule 4, the “second working day” presumption in 9(6) only applies if the parking operator can prove the date of posting. That statutory safeguard exists to prevent operators from simply claiming a convenient delivery date without evidence. The PPSCoP Note reflects this in mandatory language:

Parking operators MUST retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated.

This is not an optional “best practice” nicety. It is the only practical means by which PoFA compliance on delivery timing can be evidenced.

By refusing to require Civil Enforcement Ltd to produce posting records — and by instead fabricating a “presumed delivery” date that either precedes the issue date by over two months (20 July 2024) or, if corrected to 7 October 2024, is still wrong in law — you have:

• Destroyed the evidential basis for the presumption;
• Enabled an operator to rely on PoFA without satisfying its statutory preconditions;
• Acted contrary to the PPSCoP’s stated purpose of upholding statutory compliance; and
• Demonstrated why public confidence in the BPA’s impartiality is non-existent.

The very fact that you dismiss the rebuttal of presumption is itself proof of the BPA’s regulatory failure. If you genuinely believed in upholding PoFA, you would treat posting evidence as non-negotiable — as the PPSCoP Note requires — rather than dismissing it to shield a member from scrutiny.

This correspondence, along with your stated position, will be provided to the DVLA, the MHCLG minister, and the ICO as evidence of systemic bias and failure to enforce statutory safeguards.

Your next reply should confirm either that:

(a) The operator has provided actual posting records for the NtK; or
(b) You accept that PoFA keeper liability cannot apply in the absence of such records.

Anything less will be taken as further confirmation of the BPA’s unwillingness to regulate its members in accordance with statute.

Yours sincerely,

[Name]

Ive already sent the previous one and she has now replied with a very disappointing-          @b789 should I send the one above?

Good Afternoon,

Thank you for your response.

We believe we have addressed the points raised and not located a breach so, cannot correspond further.

Kind regards
Laura

Compliance Team
British Parking Association
Web:  www.britishparking.co.uk
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: b789 on August 14, 2025, 12:02:22 pm
Please confirm whether these are the actual dates in the BPA response or are they typos made when transcribing to this post?

If this is meant to be “07/10/2024” (7 October), it still raises the question of how they’ve calculated the delivery date without any proof of posting. They are simply inserting a presumed delivery date to fit within the 14-day limit without requiring CEL to produce the mandated evidence.

Yes this is exactly what was in the reply surprisingly

In which case I suggest you respond to Ms Staunton with the following:

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Subject: BPA’s Deliberate Misapplication of PoFA Delivery Presumption

Dear Ms Staunton,

Your dismissal of the rebuttal to the statutory presumption of service is precisely the reason PPSCoP Section 8.1.2(d) Note 2 exists in the first place.

You know full well that under PoFA Schedule 4, the “second working day” presumption in 9(6) only applies if the parking operator can prove the date of posting. That statutory safeguard exists to prevent operators from simply claiming a convenient delivery date without evidence. The PPSCoP Note reflects this in mandatory language:

Parking operators MUST retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated.

This is not an optional “best practice” nicety. It is the only practical means by which PoFA compliance on delivery timing can be evidenced.

By refusing to require Civil Enforcement Ltd to produce posting records — and by instead fabricating a “presumed delivery” date that either precedes the issue date by over two months (20 July 2024) or, if corrected to 7 October 2024, is still wrong in law — you have:

• Destroyed the evidential basis for the presumption;
• Enabled an operator to rely on PoFA without satisfying its statutory preconditions;
• Acted contrary to the PPSCoP’s stated purpose of upholding statutory compliance; and
• Demonstrated why public confidence in the BPA’s impartiality is non-existent.

The very fact that you dismiss the rebuttal of presumption is itself proof of the BPA’s regulatory failure. If you genuinely believed in upholding PoFA, you would treat posting evidence as non-negotiable — as the PPSCoP Note requires — rather than dismissing it to shield a member from scrutiny.

This correspondence, along with your stated position, will be provided to the DVLA, the MHCLG minister, and the ICO as evidence of systemic bias and failure to enforce statutory safeguards.

Your next reply should confirm either that:

(a) The operator has provided actual posting records for the NtK; or
(b) You accept that PoFA keeper liability cannot apply in the absence of such records.

Anything less will be taken as further confirmation of the BPA’s unwillingness to regulate its members in accordance with statute.

Yours sincerely,

[Name]
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: DWMB2 on August 14, 2025, 11:52:47 am
Where possible please try to avoid quoting the entire post you are replying to every time - it makes the thread incredibly difficult to read.
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on August 14, 2025, 11:50:30 am
In this Code of Practice, a “NOTE” that uses the word “must” cannot be waved away as optional when it is the only practical means of evidencing compliance with statute.

1) What the BPA/IPC Private Parking Code of Practice (PPSCoP) actually says about “NOTES”
The PPSCoP includes a meta-clause: “Where ‘NOTES’ within the Code purport to impose a standard on an operator they are not mandatory… Not complying with a ‘NOTE’ is not a breach of the Code”.

However, the very same Code’s NOTE 2 under the parking charge section 8.1.2(e) states (in substance): because PoFA presumes postal delivery on the second working day after posting, operators must retain a record of the date of posting, not merely of notice generation (e.g. the date a mail consolidator actually injected it into the postal system). This is written using the word “must”.

Interpreting these together: the ATAs try to classify all “NOTES” as non-mandatory Code text. But when a NOTE uses “must” to operationalise a statutory presumption (PoFA service), treating that as optional is untenable, for the reasons below.

2) Statute controls: PoFA requires delivery within 14 days, not mere “issue”
PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 9 requires a Notice to Keeper to be given within the relevant period (14 days from the day after the parking ended). It further provides the postal presumption: a notice sent by post is presumed delivered on the second working day after posting. These are statutory rules of delivery and presumption, not trade-body preferences.

Therefore:

• If an operator wants to rely on PoFA keeper liability, it must be able to prove when it posted the NtK (to anchor the “second working day” presumption).
• Without a posting record, the “delivered within 14 days” requirement cannot be evidenced. Saying “we issued it within 14 days” is irrelevant to PoFA.

3) Why the NOTE states “must keep posting records” is, in effect, compulsory
Even if the ATA labels NOTES as “not mandatory”, the PoFA presumption only engages if there was posting and you can show when. The NOTE simply translates that legal reality into an evidential control: keep posting logs (e.g., third-party mail consolidator reports). If an operator doesn’t keep them, they can’t substantiate PoFA compliance. In other words, the NOTE’s “must” is functionally mandatory for any operator who wishes to rely on PoFA keeper liability.

4) The Code of Practice itself expects evidential records elsewhere
The PPSCoP imposes hard obligations outside the “NOTE” box, including record-keeping for 36 months where records are required, and it sets audit/monitoring expectations. If you must evidence compliance, you must keep the evidence. Posting logs fall squarely within that logic.

5) The PPSCoP’s sanctions show timing under PoFA is serious
Annex H lists non-conformances including sending notices implying PoFA keeper pursuit outside PoFA timescales. If timing is sanctionable, then proving the posting date is inseparable from compliance. It is incoherent to sanction late service yet treat the only practical proof of service timing as “non-mandatory”.

6) DVLA/KADOE context reinforces the need for auditable records
Access to DVLA keeper data depends on membership and adherence to PPSCoP standards, with reasonable cause and auditability. The KADOE framework expects operators to be able to show compliance to regulators. In the context of PoFA timing, that means retaining reliable posting evidence.

7) Bottom line on the BPA’s claim
• Saying “NOTES aren’t mandatory” does not permit operators (or the BPA) to ignore statutory requirements or the evidential controls that make those requirements provable.
• Where a NOTE restates or operationalises a legal presumption, the operator’s failure to follow it may not be a “Code breach” per the ATAs’ own disclaimer, but it is fatal to PoFA keeper liability and undermines DVLA audit expectations. The BPA cannot properly rely on a presumption of delivery without demanding the operator’s posting records.

8) The correct analytical position to put back to BPA (succinctly)
• PoFA 9(4)–(6) requires delivery within 14 days and presumes delivery on the second working day after posting; “issued within 14 days” is immaterial.

• The PPSCoP’s referenced NOTE 2 mirrors PoFA and states operators must keep posting records; without them, the PoFA presumption cannot be relied upon.

• The “NOTES are not mandatory” clause cannot disapply statute; at most, it downgrades some best-practice guidance. It does not excuse the BPA from requiring proof of posting where an operator asserts PoFA compliance.

• The Code’s own sanctions regime treats PoFA timing seriously, which presupposes auditable posting evidence.

You can respond to that ridiculous BPA fob-off with the following:

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Subject: BPA’s Misinterpretation of PoFA and Refusal to Require Evidence of Posting – Further Response

Dear Ms Staunton,

Your latest reply again fails to address the core issue and, in doing so, undermines the BPA’s credibility as an Accredited Trade Association.

1. PoFA Requirement – Delivery, not Issue
The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4) requires that a Notice to Keeper be given (delivered) within 14 days, not merely “issued”. The statutory presumption of delivery on the second working day applies only if the notice was actually posted and the operator can show when that posting occurred. Your assertion that “issued within 14 days” satisfies PoFA is incorrect in law.

2. “NOTE” in the PPSCoP – Use of “Must” Cannot Be Optional
The BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice, Section 8.1.2(d) Note 2, states:

Parking operators must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated.”

This wording exists because, without a posting record, PoFA’s delivery presumption cannot be substantiated. Calling this “non-mandatory” is regulatory abdication. The BPA cannot declare statutory evidential requirements optional.

3. Refusal to Require Proof of Posting
You have relied solely on CEL’s unverified assertion of “issue” and refused to obtain posting evidence. This is unacceptable for a regulator claiming to enforce compliance with PoFA and KADOE audit standards.

4. Denial of Appeal Rights
CEL’s failure to serve the NtK denied the keeper their statutory right to appeal. The later provision of a “copy” does not cure this breach. Your dismissal of this fact breaches PPSCoP 8.4.4 and 11.2.

I now put the BPA on notice that this matter will be escalated to:

• DVLA – for failure to enforce KADOE compliance;
• MHCLG – for BPA’s systemic failure to regulate its members;
• ICO – for potential misuse of DVLA data where PoFA conditions were not met.

Yours sincerely,

[Name]

You should also send the following to your MP, whose email address you can find at https://members.parliament.uk/FindYourMP

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Subject: Regulatory Failure by BPA and DVLA – PoFA and KADOE Enforcement

Dear [MP Name],

I am seeking your assistance to escalate a serious regulatory failure involving the British Parking Association (BPA) and the DVLA to the Minister at the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government (MHCLG) responsible for private parking policy.

Background:

• The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) Schedule 4 allows parking companies to pursue a vehicle’s keeper only if a Notice to Keeper (NtK) is delivered within 14 days.
• “Delivered” is presumed to mean the second working day after posting — but only if the operator can prove when it was posted.
• The BPA/IPC Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) reflects this in Section 8.1.2(d) Note 2, stating that operators must retain posting records.

The Problem:

• The BPA refuses to enforce this requirement, calling it “non-mandatory” because it appears in a “Note”.
• This allows operators to claim PoFA compliance without producing posting evidence, undermining statutory safeguards.
• The DVLA continues to provide registered keeper data to such operators despite their inability to prove PoFA compliance.

Consequences:

[/indent]• Motorists are being wrongly told they are liable under PoFA.
• Appeals are being denied where NtKs were never actually served.
• The DVLA’s KADOE contractual requirement for compliance with PoFA is being ignored.[/indent]

Requested Action:

• Ask MHCLG to investigate the BPA’s refusal to enforce a statutory evidential safeguard.
• Ask DVLA to confirm how they audit operators’ compliance with PoFA delivery requirements.
• Require both bodies to ensure that posting records are retained and produced on demand.

I am happy to provide the correspondence showing the BPA’s position, the operator’s claim, and the statutory and Code provisions involved.

Yours sincerely,

[Name]
[Address]

Here is a timeline you can include with the MP email that helps explain the issue:

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Timeline – BPA / CEL / PoFA Delivery Breach Complaint

[Incident Date] – Alleged parking contravention at [Site Name] by Civil Enforcement Ltd (CEL).
[NtK Date] – Original Notice to Keeper (NtK) never received. No opportunity to appeal within 28 days.

[Debt Recovery Date] – First contact was a £170 debt recovery letter (months later). No reduced amount offered, no appeal information.

Complaint to CEL
• Formal complaint sent to CEL:
• Failure to serve NtK.
• Denial of appeal rights.
• No evidence of contravention.
• Excessive charge.
• CEL response: Refused to consider appeal, claimed it was “too late” to appeal.

Complaint to BPA
• Raised formal complaint with BPA after exhausting CEL’s process.
• Alleged breaches of PPSCoP: 8.4.1, 8.4.4, 8.4.8, 11.2, 17.3.4, 17.4.6, and PoFA 2012 (Schedule 4).
• Requested BPA demand proof of posting from CEL and address denial of appeal rights.

BPA’s First Response
• Claimed NtK was “issued within 14 days” and therefore PoFA-compliant.
• Refused to require proof of posting.
• Said appeal outside 28 days is at operator’s discretion.
• Treated complaint as a “late appeal” and did not address core issues.
• Said adding £70 debt recovery fee is permitted.

Rebuttal to BPA
• Pointed out PoFA requires delivery within 14 days, not just “issue.”
• Highlighted PPSCoP 8.1.2(d) Note 2: operators must retain posting records.
• Argued BPA’s refusal to require proof of posting undermines PoFA and KADOE.
• Reiterated denial of appeal rights breaches PPSCoP 8.4.4 and 11.2.
• Stated intent to escalate to DVLA, MHCLG, and ICO.

BPA’s Second Response
• Asserted NtK was “presumed delivered” on their chosen date — despite no proof of posting.
• Claimed “Notes are not mandatory” in the PPSCoP, even when they contain the word “must.”
• Repeated that appeals outside 28 days are at operator’s discretion.
• Again refused to identify any breach of the Code or investigate further.

Current Status:
• BPA refuses to enforce its own evidential requirements for PoFA delivery.
• DVLA continues to provide CEL with keeper data despite lack of proof of timely NtK service.
• Preparing escalation to MP for referral to MHCLG minister and DVLA Chief Executive.

@b789 thanks so much will send across and update
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on August 14, 2025, 11:43:43 am
CEL often use historic addresses (ie original DVLA search address) to make court claims. Ensure they are given updated details if needed.

Thanks, they have sent the paperwork so far to the correct address and I have replied, DVLA also has the right address so hopefully not an issue
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on August 14, 2025, 11:41:57 am
@b789 received this from BPA

1 – I can see that the Notice to Keeper was issued on 02/10/2024 which would have been presumed delivered on 07/20/2024 which is within the timescales of the Protection of Freedoms Act

Please confirm whether these are the actual dates in the BPA response or are they typos made when transcribing to this post?

If this is meant to be “07/10/2024” (7 October), it still raises the question of how they’ve calculated the delivery date without any proof of posting. They are simply inserting a presumed delivery date to fit within the 14-day limit without requiring CEL to produce the mandated evidence.



Yes this is exactly what was in the reply surprisingly

Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: Charitynjw on August 10, 2025, 07:43:52 pm
CEL often use historic addresses (ie original DVLA search address) to make court claims. Ensure they are given updated details if needed.
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: b789 on August 10, 2025, 07:31:13 pm
In this Code of Practice, a “NOTE” that uses the word “must” cannot be waved away as optional when it is the only practical means of evidencing compliance with statute.

1) What the BPA/IPC Private Parking Code of Practice (PPSCoP) actually says about “NOTES”
The PPSCoP includes a meta-clause: “Where ‘NOTES’ within the Code purport to impose a standard on an operator they are not mandatory… Not complying with a ‘NOTE’ is not a breach of the Code”.

However, the very same Code’s NOTE 2 under the parking charge section 8.1.2(e) states (in substance): because PoFA presumes postal delivery on the second working day after posting, operators must retain a record of the date of posting, not merely of notice generation (e.g. the date a mail consolidator actually injected it into the postal system). This is written using the word “must”.

Interpreting these together: the ATAs try to classify all “NOTES” as non-mandatory Code text. But when a NOTE uses “must” to operationalise a statutory presumption (PoFA service), treating that as optional is untenable, for the reasons below.

2) Statute controls: PoFA requires delivery within 14 days, not mere “issue”
PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 9 requires a Notice to Keeper to be given within the relevant period (14 days from the day after the parking ended). It further provides the postal presumption: a notice sent by post is presumed delivered on the second working day after posting. These are statutory rules of delivery and presumption, not trade-body preferences.

Therefore:

• If an operator wants to rely on PoFA keeper liability, it must be able to prove when it posted the NtK (to anchor the “second working day” presumption).
• Without a posting record, the “delivered within 14 days” requirement cannot be evidenced. Saying “we issued it within 14 days” is irrelevant to PoFA.

3) Why the NOTE states “must keep posting records” is, in effect, compulsory
Even if the ATA labels NOTES as “not mandatory”, the PoFA presumption only engages if there was posting and you can show when. The NOTE simply translates that legal reality into an evidential control: keep posting logs (e.g., third-party mail consolidator reports). If an operator doesn’t keep them, they can’t substantiate PoFA compliance. In other words, the NOTE’s “must” is functionally mandatory for any operator who wishes to rely on PoFA keeper liability.

4) The Code of Practice itself expects evidential records elsewhere
The PPSCoP imposes hard obligations outside the “NOTE” box, including record-keeping for 36 months where records are required, and it sets audit/monitoring expectations. If you must evidence compliance, you must keep the evidence. Posting logs fall squarely within that logic.

5) The PPSCoP’s sanctions show timing under PoFA is serious
Annex H lists non-conformances including sending notices implying PoFA keeper pursuit outside PoFA timescales. If timing is sanctionable, then proving the posting date is inseparable from compliance. It is incoherent to sanction late service yet treat the only practical proof of service timing as “non-mandatory”.

6) DVLA/KADOE context reinforces the need for auditable records
Access to DVLA keeper data depends on membership and adherence to PPSCoP standards, with reasonable cause and auditability. The KADOE framework expects operators to be able to show compliance to regulators. In the context of PoFA timing, that means retaining reliable posting evidence.

7) Bottom line on the BPA’s claim
• Saying “NOTES aren’t mandatory” does not permit operators (or the BPA) to ignore statutory requirements or the evidential controls that make those requirements provable.
• Where a NOTE restates or operationalises a legal presumption, the operator’s failure to follow it may not be a “Code breach” per the ATAs’ own disclaimer, but it is fatal to PoFA keeper liability and undermines DVLA audit expectations. The BPA cannot properly rely on a presumption of delivery without demanding the operator’s posting records.

8) The correct analytical position to put back to BPA (succinctly)
• PoFA 9(4)–(6) requires delivery within 14 days and presumes delivery on the second working day after posting; “issued within 14 days” is immaterial.

• The PPSCoP’s referenced NOTE 2 mirrors PoFA and states operators must keep posting records; without them, the PoFA presumption cannot be relied upon.

• The “NOTES are not mandatory” clause cannot disapply statute; at most, it downgrades some best-practice guidance. It does not excuse the BPA from requiring proof of posting where an operator asserts PoFA compliance.

• The Code’s own sanctions regime treats PoFA timing seriously, which presupposes auditable posting evidence.

You can respond to that ridiculous BPA fob-off with the following:

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Subject: BPA’s Misinterpretation of PoFA and Refusal to Require Evidence of Posting – Further Response

Dear Ms Staunton,

Your latest reply again fails to address the core issue and, in doing so, undermines the BPA’s credibility as an Accredited Trade Association.

1. PoFA Requirement – Delivery, not Issue
The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4) requires that a Notice to Keeper be given (delivered) within 14 days, not merely “issued”. The statutory presumption of delivery on the second working day applies only if the notice was actually posted and the operator can show when that posting occurred. Your assertion that “issued within 14 days” satisfies PoFA is incorrect in law.

2. “NOTE” in the PPSCoP – Use of “Must” Cannot Be Optional
The BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice, Section 8.1.2(d) Note 2, states:

Parking operators must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated.”

This wording exists because, without a posting record, PoFA’s delivery presumption cannot be substantiated. Calling this “non-mandatory” is regulatory abdication. The BPA cannot declare statutory evidential requirements optional.

3. Refusal to Require Proof of Posting
You have relied solely on CEL’s unverified assertion of “issue” and refused to obtain posting evidence. This is unacceptable for a regulator claiming to enforce compliance with PoFA and KADOE audit standards.

4. Denial of Appeal Rights
CEL’s failure to serve the NtK denied the keeper their statutory right to appeal. The later provision of a “copy” does not cure this breach. Your dismissal of this fact breaches PPSCoP 8.4.4 and 11.2.

I now put the BPA on notice that this matter will be escalated to:

• DVLA – for failure to enforce KADOE compliance;
• MHCLG – for BPA’s systemic failure to regulate its members;
• ICO – for potential misuse of DVLA data where PoFA conditions were not met.

Yours sincerely,

[Name]

You should also send the following to your MP, whose email address you can find at https://members.parliament.uk/FindYourMP

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Subject: Regulatory Failure by BPA and DVLA – PoFA and KADOE Enforcement

Dear [MP Name],

I am seeking your assistance to escalate a serious regulatory failure involving the British Parking Association (BPA) and the DVLA to the Minister at the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government (MHCLG) responsible for private parking policy.

Background:

• The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) Schedule 4 allows parking companies to pursue a vehicle’s keeper only if a Notice to Keeper (NtK) is delivered within 14 days.
• “Delivered” is presumed to mean the second working day after posting — but only if the operator can prove when it was posted.
• The BPA/IPC Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) reflects this in Section 8.1.2(d) Note 2, stating that operators must retain posting records.

The Problem:

• The BPA refuses to enforce this requirement, calling it “non-mandatory” because it appears in a “Note”.
• This allows operators to claim PoFA compliance without producing posting evidence, undermining statutory safeguards.
• The DVLA continues to provide registered keeper data to such operators despite their inability to prove PoFA compliance.

Consequences:

[/indent]• Motorists are being wrongly told they are liable under PoFA.
• Appeals are being denied where NtKs were never actually served.
• The DVLA’s KADOE contractual requirement for compliance with PoFA is being ignored.[/indent]

Requested Action:

• Ask MHCLG to investigate the BPA’s refusal to enforce a statutory evidential safeguard.
• Ask DVLA to confirm how they audit operators’ compliance with PoFA delivery requirements.
• Require both bodies to ensure that posting records are retained and produced on demand.

I am happy to provide the correspondence showing the BPA’s position, the operator’s claim, and the statutory and Code provisions involved.

Yours sincerely,

[Name]
[Address]

Here is a timeline you can include with the MP email that helps explain the issue:

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Timeline – BPA / CEL / PoFA Delivery Breach Complaint

[Incident Date] – Alleged parking contravention at [Site Name] by Civil Enforcement Ltd (CEL).
[NtK Date] – Original Notice to Keeper (NtK) never received. No opportunity to appeal within 28 days.

[Debt Recovery Date] – First contact was a £170 debt recovery letter (months later). No reduced amount offered, no appeal information.

Complaint to CEL
• Formal complaint sent to CEL:
• Failure to serve NtK.
• Denial of appeal rights.
• No evidence of contravention.
• Excessive charge.
• CEL response: Refused to consider appeal, claimed it was “too late” to appeal.

Complaint to BPA
• Raised formal complaint with BPA after exhausting CEL’s process.
• Alleged breaches of PPSCoP: 8.4.1, 8.4.4, 8.4.8, 11.2, 17.3.4, 17.4.6, and PoFA 2012 (Schedule 4).
• Requested BPA demand proof of posting from CEL and address denial of appeal rights.

BPA’s First Response
• Claimed NtK was “issued within 14 days” and therefore PoFA-compliant.
• Refused to require proof of posting.
• Said appeal outside 28 days is at operator’s discretion.
• Treated complaint as a “late appeal” and did not address core issues.
• Said adding £70 debt recovery fee is permitted.

Rebuttal to BPA
• Pointed out PoFA requires delivery within 14 days, not just “issue.”
• Highlighted PPSCoP 8.1.2(d) Note 2: operators must retain posting records.
• Argued BPA’s refusal to require proof of posting undermines PoFA and KADOE.
• Reiterated denial of appeal rights breaches PPSCoP 8.4.4 and 11.2.
• Stated intent to escalate to DVLA, MHCLG, and ICO.

BPA’s Second Response
• Asserted NtK was “presumed delivered” on their chosen date — despite no proof of posting.
• Claimed “Notes are not mandatory” in the PPSCoP, even when they contain the word “must.”
• Repeated that appeals outside 28 days are at operator’s discretion.
• Again refused to identify any breach of the Code or investigate further.

Current Status:
• BPA refuses to enforce its own evidential requirements for PoFA delivery.
• DVLA continues to provide CEL with keeper data despite lack of proof of timely NtK service.
• Preparing escalation to MP for referral to MHCLG minister and DVLA Chief Executive.
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: b789 on August 10, 2025, 06:40:07 pm
@b789 received this from BPA

1 – I can see that the Notice to Keeper was issued on 02/10/2024 which would have been presumed delivered on 07/20/2024 which is within the timescales of the Protection of Freedoms Act

Please confirm whether these are the actual dates in the BPA response or are they typos made when transcribing to this post?

If this is meant to be “07/10/2024” (7 October), it still raises the question of how they’ve calculated the delivery date without any proof of posting. They are simply inserting a presumed delivery date to fit within the 14-day limit without requiring CEL to produce the mandated evidence.
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on August 10, 2025, 04:31:08 pm
@b789 received this from BPA

Thank you for your email.

Please see my comments below for your information.

1 – I can see that the Notice to Keeper was issued on 02/10/2024 which would have been presumed delivered on 07/20/2024 which is within the timescales of the Protection of Freedoms Act

2 – The Code of Practice also states “Where “NOTES” within the Code purport to impose a standard on an operator they are not mandatory”. We consider these as best practice and not a breach of the Code of Practice if the operator does not retain a record

3 - If you wish to appeal the charge outside of the 28 day timeframe, it is at the operator’s discretion as to whether they consider it – they are not obligated to do so.

Our Code states:

8.4.1. Where a parking operator accepts payment of a parking charge, they do not need to offer the ability to appeal providing this is clear in the notice. Parking operators must provide a process for motorists to appeal against a Parking Charge in accordance with Annex C, which:
a) allows that the parking charge may be appealed within 28 days;

We have not located a breach of the Code of Practice so, cannot advise further.

Kind regards
Laura

Compliance Team
British Parking Association
Web:  www.britishparking.co.uk
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: b789 on July 29, 2025, 03:43:08 pm
You don't send anything recorded delivery. What a waste of money. If someone refuses to sign for it, then all you have proof of is non delivery which is a useful as a poke in the arm with a sharp stick.

If you ever need to send something by post, you simply send it first class and get a free proof of posting receipt at any post office. However, email is ALWAYS the best option as it is instant and is traceable as having been delivered.

You positively DO NOT fill out ANY of the forms that came with the LoC. Just respond with the advised email.

Send the response as an email, CC yourself to legal@ce-service.co.uk.
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on July 29, 2025, 12:26:35 pm
@b789  They have no email address and the online form now says too late for appeal. The generic documents giving options dont even clearly state the reply address it says 'address of business' the assumption is that this is Civil Enforcement at their Horton House, Liverpool address so I will fill the form with Box C (I dont know whether I owe the debt) and send a recorded letter with the reply above if that sounds reasonable?
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: DWMB2 on July 28, 2025, 01:21:07 pm
A very minor point - Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities is now called Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government.

They change names almost as often as they change ministers.
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: b789 on July 28, 2025, 12:59:56 pm
First of all, you can reply to the utterly incompetent Ms Staunton with the following:

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Subject: Formal Rebuttal – BPA’s Failure to Investigate POFA Breach and Misapplication of Code

Dear Ms. Staunton,

Your response to my complaint is not only procedurally deficient but betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the statutory framework your organisation purports to uphold.

1. Misrepresentation of POFA Requirements

You refer to the NtK being “issued within 14 days,” which is legally meaningless. The relevant statutory requirement under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 is that the notice must be given—i.e. delivered—within 14 days. This is not a semantic distinction; it is the cornerstone of lawful keeper liability.

Your failure to grasp this distinction is deeply concerning and calls into question your competence to assess compliance with POFA.

2. Failure to Demand Proof of Posting

You accept CEL’s assertion that the NtK was “issued” without requiring strict proof of posting, despite the clear directive in Section 8.1.2(d) Note 2 of the BPA/IPC PPSCoP:

Parking operators must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated.

Why did you not require CEL to produce evidence of the date of posting—such as third-party mail consolidator logs or postal certificates? Your failure to do so renders your conclusion baseless and undermines the credibility of your investigation.

3. Denial of Appeal Rights

You have entirely ignored the fact that the Keeper was denied the opportunity to appeal due to CEL’s failure to serve the NtK. The alleged subsequent provision of a copy (which is denied) does not retroactively cure the breach or restore the lost appeal rights. Your position is legally incoherent and procedurally unjust.

4. Regulatory Abdication

Your refusal to investigate these breaches—despite clear evidence and direct references to the PPSCoP—suggests either wilful ignorance or regulatory capture. If the BPA cannot enforce its own Code, it has no business claiming to regulate this industry.

I now request that you:

• Reopen the investigation and demand strict proof of posting from CEL.
• Acknowledge the statutory requirement for delivery under POFA, not mere issuance.
• Address the denial of appeal rights as a breach of Sections 8.4.4 and 11.2 of the Code.

If you are unwilling to do so, I will escalate this matter to the DVLA, the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities (DLUHC), and the ICO, citing BPA’s failure to enforce its own standards and protect consumer rights.

Yours sincerely, [Your Name]

As for the LoC, you can respond with the following (also CC in yourself):

Quote
Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence you place reliance upon. It is therefore in complete contravention of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

As a claimant, one would expect you to be capable of crafting a letter that aligns with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions do not exist for decoration—they exist to facilitate informed discussion and proportionate resolution. You might wish to reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), stipulate that prior to proceedings, parties should have exchanged sufficient information to understand each other’s position. Part 6 helpfully clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.

Your template letter mentions a “contract”, yet fails to provide one. This would appear to undermine the only foundation upon which your claim allegedly rests. It’s difficult to engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue when you decline to furnish the very document you purport to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with the requirements of para 3.1(a) of the Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol. Thus, I require you to comply with your obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) that confirms any PoFA 2012 liability, including proof of posting and delivery within the statutory timeframe
2. A copy of the contract (or contracts) you allege exists between you and the driver, in the form of an actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date, not a generic stock image
3. The exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract(s) which is (are) relied upon that you allege to have been breached
4. The written agreement between you and the landowner, establishing authority to enforce
5. A breakdown of the charges claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and whether the £70 “debt recovery” fee includes VAT

I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

I also challenge the £70 add-on per PCN. You have provided no evidence of actual costs incurred, nor any breakdown of how this figure was calculated. If VAT is included, you must confirm whether it is being properly accounted for and whether you are VAT registered. The BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice requires transparency and justification for any added fees, and your failure to provide this renders the amount unenforceable.

If you do not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, and Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on you and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until you have complied with your obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it. It is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for you to issue proceedings. Should you do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on July 27, 2025, 11:42:43 pm
I have also received this in the post

@b789

https://imgur.com/a/S0lMQ9e
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on July 27, 2025, 11:36:12 pm
@b789 This is the response I have recieved

Thank you for your enquiry.
Our Role
Our role as an Accredited Trade Association is to investigate alleged breaches of our Code of Practice where evidence can be supplied and our members internal complaints policy has been exhausted. We are unable to become involved in individual Parking Charge disputes.

Appealing the Parking Charge
A motorist will have 28 days to appeal the Parking Charge if they believe that it was issued incorrectly; the process should be outlined in the Parking Charge.
The operator has 28 days to respond. If the appeal is rejected the operator should provide details on how to further appeal to the free and independent appeals service, POPLA. A further appeal is available via POPLA for 28 days following the operator rejecting the appeal.

About your Case
I can see that the operator has now provided you with a copy of the initial Parking Charge. Due to this we cannot advise further on this point as we cannot determine what has been sent or received by either party. The Parking Charge was issued within 14 days of the contravention which is compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act. If you wish to appeal the charge outside of the 28 day timeframe, it is at the operator’s discretion as to whether they consider it – they are not obligated to do so.

When a Parking Charge has been passed to a debt resolution operator, £70.00 can be added to the Parking Charge.

24.1b Where a Parking Charge becomes overdue and before Court Proceedings have commenced, a reasonable sum (which covers the cost of recovering debt) may be added for the debt recovery fees. This sum must not exceed £70 unless prior approval from the BPA has been granted.

It appears that the operator believed that your letter of complaint was a late appeal due to its contents and therefore, a full complaint response was not issued.

Next Steps
Based on the information you have supplied, I have not identified a breach of point raised in the Code of Practice and therefore I am unable to investigate your complaint further.
Kind regards
Laura Staunton
British Parking Association
Web: www.britishparking.co.uk
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on December 27, 2024, 06:04:21 am
Thanks so much @b789, what a legend 👌.
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: b789 on December 24, 2024, 06:19:27 pm
I haven't double checked your BPA CoP sections, but assuming you have done your homework, here is a refinement of your formal complaint about CEL to the BPA. Please read it carefully and fill in the dates and other information necessary as required:

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Subject: Formal Complaint Against Civil Enforcement Ltd (CEL) – Parking Charge Notice [Insert PCN Reference]

Dear BPA Complaints Team,

I am writing to lodge a formal complaint against Civil Enforcement Ltd (CEL), a member of the BPA. This complaint follows the exhaustion of CEL’s complaints process, as evidenced by their response to my formal complaint (dated [insert date]), in which they failed to adequately address the issues raised and declined to provide any resolution. As such, I now request that the BPA investigates their conduct and non-compliance with the BPA Code of Practice.

Background of Complaint

Civil Enforcement Ltd has issued a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) for an alleged contravention at [Site Name] on [Incident Date]. However, CEL has failed in several key areas of compliance, as outlined below:

1. Failure to Provide Original Notice to Keeper (NtK):

I did not receive the original NtK; instead, I received a debt recovery notice months after the alleged contravention.

• This omission denied me the opportunity to appeal within the required 28-day period, in breach of Section 8.4.1 of the BPA Code of Practice.

2. Lack of Evidence for the Alleged Contravention:

• CEL has not provided any evidence that the vehicle was parked or breached any terms.

• The vehicle did not park but merely manoeuvred within the area to turn around, obstructed by other vehicles. CEL’s photographic evidence fails to substantiate any contravention or even display the vehicle's registration number (VRM), violating Section 7.3(a) of the Code.

3. Non-Compliance with POFA 2012:

• CEL has stated that I, as the keeper, am liable under POFA 2012. However, their procedural failings (failure to issue an NtK and denial of an appeal opportunity) invalidate any claim under POFA 2012.

• The debt recovery demand for £170 significantly exceeds the initial charge and does not include the mandatory reduced amount for prompt payment, contrary to Sections 8.2.1 and 8.2.2 of the Code.

4. Denial of Appeal Opportunities:

• CEL has failed to provide an opportunity to appeal the PCN, despite my formal request. This breaches Sections 8.4.4, 8.4.8, and 11.2 of the BPA Code.

• Their response to my complaint dismisses my concerns on the basis that it is "too late to make representations," despite the fact that I was never given the required information to appeal in the first place.

5. Failure to Properly Address a Formal Complaint:

• My formal complaint to CEL was not properly addressed, and they failed to take any corrective action, in breach of Sections 17.3.4 and 17.4.6 of the Code.

Exhaustion of CEL Complaints Process

As per the BPA Code of Practice (v9 as applicable at the time of the alleged contravention), I have followed the correct procedure by first raising my concerns directly with CEL. Their response, however, was dismissive and failed to resolve the issues raised. Consequently, I now escalate this matter to the BPA for investigation and action against their member.

Requested Action

I request that the BPA:

• Investigate Civil Enforcement Ltd’s breaches of the BPA Code of Practice, including their failure to issue an NtK, lack of evidence for the alleged contravention, denial of appeal opportunities, and failure to properly address a formal complaint.

• Take appropriate enforcement action to ensure that CEL complies with the standards expected of BPA members.

• Provide a detailed response outlining the steps the BPA will take to address these concerns and prevent similar issues in the future.

Please find attached all relevant correspondence and evidence to support this complaint. If further information is required, I will be happy to provide it.

I trust the BPA will take this matter seriously, as CEL’s behaviour undermines the integrity of its membership and the Code of Practice.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Contact Information]
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on December 24, 2024, 01:01:43 pm
@b789
@Dave765
@DWMB2

I am going to submit this, any thoughts?  Once I submit this, do I not need to reply to debt recovery of CE about the threatened court proceedings?

Dear BPA
Re Parking charge notice ___________
I am writing as a formal complaint against Civil enforcement limited. I have raised a complaint with them as the keeper of the vehicle regarding the lack of documentation supplied to determine the exact alleged contravention.
• No evidence has been supplied of actual parking within the site, rather the vehicle was turning within the area and obstructed by other vehicles requiring a protracted period to exit. The driver it is possible may have entered and re-entered the park to manoeuvre from passing traffic which may also have affected the duration being displayed as site entry and exit.
• 8.1.2 No notices were received, with the first documentation being a notice of debt recovery months from the alleged contravention. This in turn has not allowed any appeal within the first 28 days to be submitted and confirmed as the case in the response from CE ltd.
• 7.3 a)The photographic evidence supplied does not provide a VRM number
• 8.1.1 d) in the response from CE ltd they state that under POFA 2012 the keeper is liable for the charge
• 8.2.1 The only charge notice received is for £170
• 8.2.2 There has been no reduction offered
• 8.4.1 There has not been any opportunity to appeal the charge
• 8.4.4 No appeal has been considered
• 8.4.8 No appeals have been considered
• 10.2 No offer of appeal has been given despite confirming that notices have not been receive for the charge and the first the keeper was aware of this PCN was a debt recovery reminder.
• 11.2 no appeal opportunity was provided
• 17.3.4 The complaint and appeal submitted was not considered without any outcome given, citing it is too late to make representation despite not receiving the necessary information to be made aware the PCN was raised
• 17.4.6 No corrective action has been submitted or suggested
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on December 18, 2024, 07:14:08 am
Thanks, ill send something to them, should I just wait for court proceedings?
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: b789 on December 18, 2024, 04:35:15 am
So now you make a formal complaint to the BPA pointing out the failure of CEL to respond properly to your formal complaint to them.

Have a read through the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (SCoP) on what sections they have breached and rake those in your BPA complaint.

Private Parking Single Code of Practice (https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/NEW%20Redesigned%20Documents/sectorsingleCodeofPractice.pdf)
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on December 18, 2024, 01:03:42 am
@b789
@Dave765

Unfortunately rejected, it also seems the duration is somehow wrong they have it as almost 50 minutes which im pretty sure is wrong

If you could please let me know your thoughts


https://imgur.com/a/Wkl08Nc
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on December 07, 2024, 12:09:21 pm
@b789 Thanks so much, will do!
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: b789 on December 07, 2024, 11:59:05 am
We don't need to know about any dent recovery letters and you can safely ignore them. Use them as kindling. They are useless and powerless to do anything. Ignore them. Never, ever, ever, communicate with a useless debt collector.

The sign you've shown primarily offers terms for authorised parking and does not create a clear 'contractual offer' to the driver unless they meet specific conditions. The sign states that only "parishioners and authorised visitors" who register their vehicle on a touchscreen inside the premises are eligible to park.

This implies that no offer is being made to the general public for parking. Instead, it restricts the premises to authorised users only. The sign explicitly states, "General public parking is not permitted" which further supports that it is not an invitation to enter into a parking contract for anyone other than authorised users.

The phrase "If you breach any of these terms, you will be liable to a parking charge of up to £100" implies that any unauthorised parking constitutes a breach, not acceptance of a contract. This approach leans more towards a prohibitive notice rather than an offer capable of forming a contractual relationship.

The sign does not clearly state any terms that would apply to someone who merely enters the premises but does not park (e.g., someone turning around). A contract requires that terms are clearly communicated and capable of being accepted by conduct. Here, the "driver turning around" scenario does not align with the parking terms specified.

For a contract to be valid, it must offer terms that are capable of acceptance. The sign's focus on "Authorised Parking Only" does not provide an offer to unauthorised users but rather seeks to exclude them.

This sign does not appear to offer a contractual relationship to unauthorised drivers (e.g., those who enter and immediately leave, or turn around). Instead, it serves as a prohibitive notice designed to restrict access to authorised users only. As such, no contract could reasonably have been formed between the driver and Civil Enforcement Ltd in this case.

As you have the PCN number, you could go onto the CEL website as though to appeal and see what, if any, evidential photos they have. Make sure you download any images. You need to find out how much time the vehicle was actually on the premises because there are other appeal points that can be made, such as "consideration" and "grace" periods.

You say the driver simply entered, turned around and left. If they simply entered and turned around and then immediately left, CEL will be put to strict proof that that was not the case.

Send the following as a formal complaint to CEL (check their complaints procedure on their website):

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Subject: Request for Clarification and Re-Issuance of Notice to Keeper (NtK)

[Keeper's Name]
[Keeper's Address]
[Date]

To:
Civil Enforcement Ltd
[Address - check CEL's correspondence or website for their contact details]

Re: Parking Charge Notice Reminder for PCN [pcn number]

Dear Civil Enforcement Ltd,

I am writing regarding a reminder letter I received for an alleged parking contravention at [Location Name] on 27/09/2024. I have not received the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) that should have been sent to me, and therefore I am unable to determine the nature of the alleged contravention.

As the Keeper of the vehicle, I am entitled to receive all the information necessary to understand the alleged breach. The reminder letter fails to provide the details required to establish:

1. The exact alleged contravention.
2. Evidence supporting your claim, including any images or proof of the vehicle's actions at the site.

From the limited information provided, I understand that the driver of the vehicle on the date in question did not park but merely entered the location to turn around and promptly exited. The signage at the site, which I have reviewed, states:

"Authorised Parking Only. Parishioners and authorised visitors must obtain a parking permit by registering their full correct vehicle registration on the touch screen located inside the premises."

This wording implies that any alleged contravention applies to vehicles that remain on-site without authorisation or proper registration. The vehicle in question did not park or wait at the location and therefore could not have breached these terms.

In line with the BPA Code of Practice (version 9, applicable at the time of the alleged incident), specifically Sections 21.4, 21.5, and 23.1, I require you to:

• Provide a copy of the original NtK, which must include all necessary details of the alleged contravention, including time-stamped evidence of the vehicle's presence and proof of any alleged terms breached.
• Clarify the alleged contravention with full supporting evidence.

Furthermore, I remind you that should you fail to provide adequate evidence to support your claim, this matter will be considered unresolved, and any further action by you or your agents may be deemed unreasonable and vexatious.

If I do not receive a satisfactory response within 14 days, I will escalate this matter to the BPA and other relevant bodies for further investigation.

Please treat this correspondence as a formal complaint.

Yours faithfully,


[Keeper's Full Name]
[Keeper's Contact Information]
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on December 07, 2024, 11:20:05 am
Thanks @Dave65 not sure what unforbidden signange is

Thanks @DWMB2 ive been to the site again and this is all the signage displayed atm

https://imgur.com/a/EVAfGgf

Just got this 🤦‍♂️

https://imgur.com/a/AfaW4yC
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: DWMB2 on December 06, 2024, 10:05:32 am
"Forbidding signage" - i.e. signage that does not offer any consideration. The sign you have shown us (other than the instructions for registration) looks like the entrance sign, saying on it "See car park signs for terms and conditions" - can you show us one of those terms and conditions signs please?
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: Dave65 on December 06, 2024, 10:00:47 am
So, this could be a case of "Unforbidden Signage" and offer no contract to park.
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on December 06, 2024, 06:27:50 am
@b789 Thanks, yes unfortunately not sure why but only recieved this reminder. Could be lost in the post or otherwise. Should I call them and ask them to resend/email?


@Dave65 Thanks, wouldve been in for less the 5,; Attached the signage

https://imgur.com/a/eY4UJIx
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: Dave65 on December 05, 2024, 04:40:25 pm
So, how long was the vehicle in this car park?

Can you get photos of the signage?
Title: Re: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: b789 on December 05, 2024, 01:05:10 pm
Are you saying the you do not have or did not receive the original postal Notice to Keeper (NtK)?

If you have it, we need to see that (both sides) leaving all dates and times visible. Any reminder is of little use in trying to formulate a response.
Title: PCN from 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'
Post by: badrav on December 05, 2024, 06:38:04 am
I was looking for some advice regarding the following situation if you could help please.

The driver of the car on 27/09/2024 it seems entered the car park to turn the car around and promptly left.

The letter which has been received, seems an escalation and has been recieved a fair while from the date shown and talks about parking breach which nobody was aware of. 

I have the V5, as a registered keeper

Any help regarding contesting this would be greatly appreciated. Should the company be contacted regarding missed/delayed communication what would be the best way to reply?

If any more information is required please let me know.


https://imgur.com/a/2de4bZ0

I will attach other pictures asap