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Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: Daisy2022 on April 02, 2025, 03:26:37 pm
Wow thanks alot!
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: b789 on April 02, 2025, 03:07:17 pm
You also need to put the following date in your diary and do not miss it... Wednesday 21st May. On that date you send the following to the same email address as the previous correspondence:

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Dear Sirs,

Re:Letter of Claim dated 20 March 2025 – [Your Reference]

I refer to your Letter of Claim dated 20 March 2025 and to my earlier response dated 22nd April 2025 indicating that I was seeking debt advice. I now write further to request the following information...

I confirm that my address for service at this time is as follows, and I request that any outdated address be erased from your records to ensure compliance with data protection obligations:

[YOUR ADDRESS]

Please note that the alleged debt is disputed, and any court proceedings will be robustly defended.

I note that the sum claimed has been increased by an excessive and unjustifiable amount, which appears contrary to the principles established by the Government, who described such practices as “extorting money from motorists.” Please refrain from sending boilerplate responses or justifications regarding this issue.

In accordance with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, I now request specific information and documentation in order to understand your client’s claim and to obtain further advice:

1. Does the additional £70 represent what you describe as a “Debt Recovery” fee? If so, is this figure net of or inclusive of VAT? If inclusive, I trust you will explain why I, as the alleged debtor, am being asked to cover your client’s VAT liability.

2. Regarding the principal sum of the alleged Parking Charge Notice (PCN): Is this being claimed as damages for breach of contract, or will it be pleaded as consideration for a purported parking contract?

3. Please provide a copy of the current, unredacted contract or chain of contracts between your client and the landowner that authorises your client to issue parking charges at the site and pursue them through litigation. If redacted, please ensure that the date, scope, and parties to the contract are visible.

4. Please provide all photographs relied upon, including time-stamped images of the vehicle and of the signage said to form the basis of the contract. Please also supply evidence of the ANPR system’s calibration and maintenance logs for the 30-day period surrounding the alleged contravention.

5. Please supply a site map or plan showing the location and layout of signage at the location on the material date, including evidence of visibility from the entry point and any alleged parking bay.

6. Please provide a copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) and confirm whether your client intends to rely on the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 to pursue the registered keeper.

7. Please confirm the date and lawful basis on which your client accessed my data from the DVLA and provide a copy of the DVLA request log relating to this vehicle.

8. Please supply a fully itemised breakdown of the amount claimed and identify the legal basis for each element of the claim (principal, interest, recovery fees, etc.).

9. Please clarify the cause of action relied upon: is this a claim in contract, breach of contract, or trespass? If contract is relied upon, please explain which terms are alleged to have been breached.

I would caution you against dismissing these questions with vague or boilerplate responses. For example, by claiming that PCNs are exempt from VAT while simultaneously inflating the debt recovery element, your client – with your assistance – appears to be evading VAT obligations owed to HMRC. Such conduct raises serious concerns regarding the legality and ethicality of these practices.

I strongly advise your client to cease and desist. Should this matter proceed to court, you can be assured that these issues will be brought to the court’s attention, alongside a robust defence and, if appropriate, a counterclaim for unreasonable conduct.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]

DO NOT send these email any earlier or later than the dates I have given you.
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: b789 on April 02, 2025, 02:53:09 pm
OK. Put this date in your diary: Tuesday 22nd April. Do not miss this deadline.

On Tuesday 22nd April, you send the following response to info@dcblegal.co.uk and you CC in yourself:

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Subject: Response to Letter of Claim dated 20 March 2025 – [Your Reference]

To: enquiries@dcblegal.co.uk

Dear Sir/Madam,

I acknowledge receipt of your Letter of Claim dated 20 March 2025.

I am currently seeking debt advice and, in accordance with paragraph 7.2 of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, I request that you place this matter on hold for 30 days from the date of this email.

Please confirm that no proceedings will be issued during this period.

For the avoidance of doubt, this response is made within the 30-day period required by paragraph 3.1 of the Protocol, taking into account the weekend and Easter Monday bank holiday pursuant to CPR 2.8(4).

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Postal Address]
[Your Reference Number]
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: Daisy2022 on April 02, 2025, 02:35:42 pm
March 20th
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: b789 on April 02, 2025, 10:32:39 am
This like pulling teeth... what is the date on the LoC which you have unnecessarily redacted?
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: Daisy2022 on April 01, 2025, 10:58:17 pm
24 June 2019
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: RichardW on April 01, 2025, 04:44:11 pm
What is the date of the original incident?
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: b789 on April 01, 2025, 04:33:25 pm
Please remind us what date in 2019 the alleged contravention occurred. Not the date of the PCN but the date of the actual parking event.

It may be worth pushing this one to the 6 year limit if it was around June or July 2019.
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: Daisy2022 on April 01, 2025, 03:42:28 pm
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Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: Daisy2022 on April 01, 2025, 03:23:07 pm
Got my letter of claim today
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: b789 on February 19, 2025, 02:23:44 pm
Right! I have actually lost count how many of these letters I’ve received. And it literally happened nearly 6 years ago, so I can’t even remember anything about it if I did go to court

You don't need to remember anything about it. If they initiate litigation, the Particulars of Claim (PoC) would have to provide enough detail for you to be able to plead a defence. They never do and this breach of CPR 16.4 inevitably leads to the claim being struck out at allocation stage or, if not, then it is discontinued before they have to pay the hearing fee.
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: Daisy2022 on February 19, 2025, 01:58:29 pm
Right! I have actually lost count how many of these letters I’ve received. And it literally happened nearly 6 years ago, so I can’t even remember anything about it if I did go to court
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: DWMB2 on February 19, 2025, 01:50:19 pm
So much for a 'final' reminder  ;D

Continue with this advice:
Ignore unless it is an LoC.
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: Daisy2022 on February 19, 2025, 01:46:43 pm
Another letter

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Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: b789 on December 19, 2024, 01:11:15 pm
Ignore unless it is an LoC.
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: Daisy2022 on December 19, 2024, 12:51:06 pm
Update - another letter arrived today this time a final reminder .
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: b789 on December 02, 2024, 09:55:46 pm
They never sent any “fine” so please stop calling it one. If you can find the word “fine” anywhere in any of the paperwork you ever received about this, I will pay you £100 for each occurrence.

Also, there was never any chance that anyone could just “send round bailiffs”. These companies rely on the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to believe all this cr@p they have been watching on TV or social gossip from keyboard warriors who are talking out of their backsides with zero idea of the legal process or their consumer rights.

What you received at the time was a Parking Charge Notice (PCN), most likely in the form of a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK), which is nothing more than a speculative invoice from an unregulated private parking company. It is not a “fine” which is associated with a statutory matter.

The Keeper has now received another attempt from a useless debt collection company, DCBL, with a fake £70 added to the original invoice. You can safely ignore any and all debt collectors. They are powerless to do anything, especially sending bailiffs around. Ignore them. Never, ever, ever communicate with a useless debt collectors.

G24 have up to 6 years from the date of the alleged contravention to issue a claim for debt in the county court. Before they can issue a claim, they must send a Letter of Claim (LoC) which is different from the debt collector rubbish because it will give you 30 days to pay, not the usual 14 days.

If/when you receive an LoC, come back and show us. We do not need to know about the useless debt collector letters.

As they are now using DCBL, it is likely that they will use their sister company, bulk litigator DCB Legal to send an LoC and they will issue the N1SDT Claim Form through the CNBC. Very easy to defend and I can say with greater than 99% certainty that if that is the scenario that plays out, they will eventually discontinue as long as the claim is defended and the advice we provide is followed.
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: Daisy2022 on December 02, 2024, 07:43:29 pm
Thanks will update

So in 2019 the register keeper supposedly parked at Matalan for four hours and G24 sent a parking notice. registered keeper ignored it and G24 sent a couple more then finally they sent one saying the bailiffs were going to come. (Zenith collectors) This was all from around June to November 2019. they never showed up and haven’t heard anything for 5 years. But today registered keeper had a letter and a new company (DCBL) found their new address and said  the bailiffs are involved again and have to pay £170.
Title: Re: Fine from 2019
Post by: DWMB2 on December 02, 2024, 07:13:24 pm
Your story isn't the clearest, you have used "they" to refer variously to the driver, the parking company, and whoever has received the letters (one presumes this is either the registered keeper, or the hirer of the vehicle).

To help us to help you, please read the following thread and provide as much of the information it asks for that you are able to - READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide  (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)

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UK

England & Wales, Scotland, or Northern Ireland?
Title: Fine from 2019
Post by: Daisy2022 on December 02, 2024, 07:00:29 pm
Parking fine from 2019 should I pay . UK

So in 2019 they supposedly parked at Matalan for four hours and they sent a parking notice. They ignored it and they sent a couple more then finally they sent one saying the bailiffs were going to come. This was all from around June to November 2019. they never showed up and haven’t heard anything for 5 years. But today they had a letter and they found their new address and said they got the bailiffs involved again and have to pay £170