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General discussion => The Flame Pit => Topic started by: guest303 on August 14, 2023, 06:09:15 pm
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The same should happen with paying for parking. For example there's a car park at a tourist attraction in Hounslow where if you can't for any reason use their app to pay the nearest place you can use cash to pay is a 20 minute walk away.
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Seems the ROI has done exactly what I suggested: https://archive.is/NAmRJ
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To me that is a perfectly legal act?
Considering that a shop doesn’t have to sell you anything, and that displaying an item for sale is an invitation for a customer to offer to buy it and not an offer to sell it, doing so may well amount to theft.
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I might report a part-stolen car to the police and not let you have the V5C
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What if I decide that your car is worth £50, leave £50 and take your car. Equally legal.
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Also agree!
There is a Law(?) that both Debit and Credit cards must be accepted on the same terms as each other - a few years ago if I have this right.
So why not add that Cash must also be accepted on the same basis.
Incidentally, even if an outlet says they don't accept cash, I do wonder what they would do if you take an item and leave the right change on the counter and walk out. To me that is a perfectly legal act?
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are their town (city) centre pubs really cashless?
Depends how fast you can run.
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At least one flight I took this year with either Ryanair or EasyJet had in-flight WiFi - it could only be used to access the in-flight duty free menu and some advertising for the airline/destination, but nevertheless suggests they have internet access which could presumably be used for processing card transactions (these use very little bandwidth). If not, and they're using them offline, the risk of a card declining post-landing is presumably reduced by the fact that they can record which seat numbers order what, and then chase up any customers whose payment doesn't go through.
I was hoping my easyJet flight was one of these with it, but alas it wasn't. Was going to have a snoop round it.
I believe, from what they say in their duty free menu thing and online on easyJet at least, that it's just a "local" wifi network, there's no internet connection at all, your devices just talk to a local Wifi AP / very expensive "aircraft grade" raspberry pi... The advertising is almost certainly cached locally too.
easyJet actually state that the card payments are processed "offline". My Barclaycard actually got declined (surprisingly), but Monzo via Google Pay all fine and went through first time.
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Was on a GWR train from Bristol to Paddington recently, apparently the card machines were down so they had to shut the refreshments service. I wonder how much that cost them.
Frankly I'm coming round to the view that Parliament should simply legislate to mandate that anyone accepting payment at an in-person transaction must accept cash in a manner that is no less advantageous than other payment methods that are accepted (i.e. at no additional cost to the customer). After all, Visa and Mastercard mandate through terms and conditions that card payments must be no less advantageous than any other payment method offered, so there's no reason why the Crown shouldn't do the same through force of law.
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Most don’t process in real time, which is why many airlines won’t allow payment with pre-pay cards etc.
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The terminals can almost certainly be set up to work "offline"
Some of them can. It depends on the device, and whether the service provider for the card machine allows it I believe (so some of the cheaper ones used by smaller businesses etc. might not work offline).
The main downside of using one offline though is that the transaction isn't actually processed whilst the machine is offline. It is stored and processed once the device is back online. The clear downside here is that if a customer's card is declined for whatever reason, the merchant will only discover this when the customer is already long-gone.
easyJet took €3 from my Google Pay at 40,000ft
At least one flight I took this year with either Ryanair or EasyJet had in-flight WiFi - it could only be used to access the in-flight duty free menu and some advertising for the airline/destination, but nevertheless suggests they have internet access which could presumably be used for processing card transactions (these use very little bandwidth). If not, and they're using them offline, the risk of a card declining post-landing is presumably reduced by the fact that they can record which seat numbers order what, and then chase up any customers whose payment doesn't go through.
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The terminals can almost certainly be set up to work "offline", so maybe just poor planning on behalf of the organisers / retailers.
easyJet took €3 from my Google Pay at 40,000ft so if they can, everyone should be able to!
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Most of Manchester’s boozers are now cashless, it works in the landlords favour if you don’t see actual cash leaving your pocket you don’t get that sense what a waste of money so just tap tap away with your card.
Is this really true?
I'll be giving Manchester a wide berth "forever" now - i can't beleive that Northerners are so stupid :(
At least we can spell ´believe´ correctly,,,,,,sorry couldn´t resist ::) ::) ::) .
I should have said town centre boozers tbh.
I was actually born quite a few miles north of Madchester(sp) ;), but seriously, are their town (city) centre pubs really cashless?
Sounds like we need to move the "Watford Gap" dividing line to the M62 or even further!!!
I was attending Minshull Street Court (as a cps witness lol) for two weeks last summer and all the big popular pubs/bars eateries in the centre were cashless.
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Most of Manchester’s boozers are now cashless, it works in the landlords favour if you don’t see actual cash leaving your pocket you don’t get that sense what a waste of money so just tap tap away with your card.
Is this really true?
I'll be giving Manchester a wide berth "forever" now - i can't beleive that Northerners are so stupid :(
At least we can spell ´believe´ correctly,,,,,,sorry couldn´t resist ::) ::) ::) .
I should have said town centre boozers tbh.
I was actually born quite a few miles north of Madchester(sp) ;), but seriously, are their town (city) centre pubs really cashless?
Sounds like we need to move the "Watford Gap" dividing line to the M62 or even further!!!
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Most of Manchester’s boozers are now cashless, it works in the landlords favour if you don’t see actual cash leaving your pocket you don’t get that sense what a waste of money so just tap tap away with your card.
Is this really true?
I'll be giving Manchester a wide berth "forever" now - i can't beleive that Northerners are so stupid :(
At least we can spell ´believe´ correctly,,,,,,sorry couldn´t resist ::) ::) ::) .
I should have said town centre boozers tbh.
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Most of Manchester’s boozers are now cashless, it works in the landlords favour if you don’t see actual cash leaving your pocket you don’t get that sense what a waste of money so just tap tap away with your card.
Is this really true?
I'll be giving Manchester a wide berth "forever" now - i can't beleive that Northerners are so stupid :(
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Most of Manchester’s boozers are now cashless, it works in the landlords favour if you don’t see actual cash leaving your pocket you don’t get that sense what a waste of money so just tap tap away with your card.
It also prevents the staff pocketing the change.
But not management pocketing tips that may be added to the card payment.
Which was something my daughter had a regular argument about when she was working in a bistro bar and bills of a couple of hundred with 10-15-20 quid tips were common.
Forget working in a bistro how about workers in the sex industry, now that is an industry that will wither on the vine when'Johns' are being asked to swipe their card before the $%$%$% starts :D :D :D :D :D
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Most of Manchester’s boozers are now cashless, it works in the landlords favour if you don’t see actual cash leaving your pocket you don’t get that sense what a waste of money so just tap tap away with your card.
It also prevents the staff pocketing the change.
But not management pocketing tips that may be added to the card payment.
Which was something my daughter had a regular argument about when she was working in a bistro bar and bills of a couple of hundred with 10-15-20 quid tips were common.
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Most of Manchester’s boozers are now cashless, it works in the landlords favour if you don’t see actual cash leaving your pocket you don’t get that sense what a waste of money so just tap tap away with your card.
It also prevents the staff pocketing the change.
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I have seen similar scenarios at various country fairs and the like with vendors relying on (a non-existent) cellular service. This is why some of the organisers of these events offer a wifi service at £!!!!
As an example "The Game Fair" at Ragley Hall this year was a 3-day event and the wi-fi cost £124 for the event. You would have to sell a fair few ice-creams to cover that cost, but I expect that it pales into insignificance compared to the cost of the pitch itself
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Most of Manchester’s boozers are now cashless, it works in the landlords favour if you don’t see actual cash leaving your pocket you don’t get that sense what a waste of money so just tap tap away with your card.
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:D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D OG
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Son just got back from the '2023 We Out Here Festival', apparently is was advertised as a totally cashless event :D :D :D it was also apparent that the organisers hadn't checked the signal strength :D :D :D ergo buying stuff was a nightmare as none of the 'tills' would work :D :D :D ....oh the sweet joy of being born in the 60's lol.