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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: nature_boy on November 13, 2024, 06:26:12 pm
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Please screenshot all the rigmarole pages as if to make a representation and get back.
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I've had a look at the video and I think you'd struggle to challenge on the basis of the events it shows. OK, you aren't actually stationary for very long but you entered without a clear exit and you did have to perform a sequence of momentary stops due to the vehicle in front.
One potential argument which may have success is around the location being insufficient to pinpoint which box junction the PCN refers to (there are multiple ones along Goodmayes Road). See this prior thread which, while not relating to Goodmayes Road itself, has the same theme and includes a reference winning appeal before an independent adjudicator based on this argument.
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/redbridge-pcn-entering-and-stopping-in-a-box-junction-high-road-goodmayes-31j/
It's not a sure fire winner. The council will definitely not accept it, so you'd need to take it all the way to adjudication with the full £130 on the line. It's not an argument that has universal acceptance (as there's no specific legal requirement for a PCN to state the precise location), but if you include the previous decision by Edward Houghton, another adjudicator might find it persuasive (and/or Redbridge may not contest).
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Hello Everyone, hope someone pls help.
Yes entered a yellow box junction however kept moving within the box except for a few seconds in between.
Yes it was an error of judgement and a lack of concentration for the car ahead which had an L plate, and not being extra careful in that situation.
The road leads to two lanes, one for turning right and I was going to the right lane however the L car stopped.
Is there any defence for this? Any way this can be appealed?
Fromm the video it can be seen that the car kept moving even very slightly albeit a few momentary pause.
Any suggestion much appreciated, thanks.
Here are the PCN images both sides:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Hizq2rwg-S0MYvp3rBznEqsHpRDkR-dv/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Mzp-v8IrfpNoQ3wvgY3gKq1iJYkzJ60o/view?usp=sharing
Location:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Western+Union/@51.5658102,0.1104705,3a,75y,356.3h,83.9t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1saXBsX1BJRxuXodn1M4b0UQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D6.103740436528497%26panoid%3DaXBsX1BJRxuXodn1M4b0UQ%26yaw%3D356.29522439602505!7i16384!8i8192!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x47d8a430c4d45deb:0x79693e7660859479!2sGoodmayes+station!8m2!3d51.5655783!4d0.1108018!16zL20vMDM0bDc1!3m5!1s0x47d8a430c15c07db:0x356f07af7c4d238a!8m2!3d51.5659576!4d0.1105763!16s%2Fg%2F11d_x6kym0?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTExMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D