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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Nara83 on November 13, 2024, 02:14:25 pm
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;D De minimis. 2240537258. BTW the PCN is flawed but we never got around to that point as the OP was superb. I said nothing.
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Sorted/filed.
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PM sent. ;D
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Hi, I am so sorry! I have a cold and blocked ears, could not recognise the name and thought I was called by mistake. I am so very sorry. Can we please talk tomorrow?
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I will PM you. In fact, I tried to phone you but you declined to speak with me. I said my real name and code name. I have spent some time accessing your case on their website. Can't be bothered actually if you do not even accept my call. If you want to join The Mugged Club, just carry on in the same spirit. I phoned you out of an impulse to help you.
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Thank you all.
If I appeal to the Adjudicator my grounds would be
- I was turning right at the traffic lights ahead if this yellow box junction
- I was stationary for about 3-4 seconds
- only my rear wheels were in the box.
Is there anything else I should add?
I have read somewhere that someone argued that they could have reversed but chose not to… I could have done this but I don’t want to ridicule the appeal or wind the adjudicator up…
Thank you.
More than that; but, the video was shaking. If you want to appeal this PM me and I will assist.
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Moving Traffic
Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited (camera enforcement)
We will consider your appeal according to our appeals policy. Please refer to the statutory document received for more detailed guidance on the meaning of the below grounds.
Statutory Grounds
Statutory Grounds for Representations
Select a reason:
I was not the owner of the vehicle at the time
There was no contravention of an order or failure to comply with an indication on a sign
The vehicle was being used without your consent
We are a hire firm and the vehicle in question was at that material time hired under a hiring agreement
The penalty charge exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case
The alleged contravention did not occur
Moving Traffic reasons
The following reasons relate to moving traffic contraventions
Select a reason:
I have already paid the PCN
I was not the owner of the vehicle
I was unaware of the rules
My vehicle had broken down
My vehicle was cloned
My vehicle was stolen
The vehicle was on hire to someone else
None of the above
If none of the above reasons apply, and you wish to challenge your PCN, please select below:
Select a reason:
Any other reason
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Thank you all.
If I appeal to the Adjudicator my grounds would be
- I was turning right at the traffic lights ahead if this yellow box junction
- I was stationary for about 3-4 seconds
- only my rear wheels were in the box.
Is there anything else I should add?
I have read somewhere that someone argued that they could have reversed but chose not to… I could have done this but I don’t want to ridicule the appeal or wind the adjudicator up…
Thank you.
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Worth a fight IMO.
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Depends on your attitude to risk and how comfortable you'd be to risk losing the discount option by taking it all the way.
You did stop with the rear wheels in the box. But the angle of the camera makes it very difficult to judge if you had space to move forward the additional couple of feet necessary to clear it completely. If you did, then no contravention occurred when you entered the box junction.
Further, the video starts shaking and zooming just as you are coming to a halt so we also cannot easily confirm that the car in front of you was just starting to pull away. It's only a contravention if you stop in the box behind a stationary vehicle.
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https://parking.bromley.gov.uk/live-3sc-user/
PCN BY96985062
VRM BN10UBM
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This looks on the bounds of triviality. You did wait diligenty on the other side but then slightly misjudged the exit.
(https://i.imgur.com/DZ5mkrt.gif)
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Yr video link does not work :(
One of our members, @stamfordman, may be able to retrieve it for you.
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Hi John,
Thank you.
All sides of PCN attached to this message - can someone please confirm that the attachments are visible? Thank you.
I don't seem to have a copy of my representations. If I manage to find this, I'll attach but I submitted it online and there does not seem to be a way for me to retrieve it. I appealed to the Council on the grounds that the PCN stated I have to appeal or pay within 28 days of the notice and not the service of the notice - this in effect reduces the time I am entitled to appeal/pay. I also asked about a camera enforcement sign being present.
Rejection is attached to my first post - I updated it after posting.
Location https://www.google.com/maps/@51.3947741,0.0252521,54m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTExMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Video: https://parking.bromley.gov.uk/live-3sc-user/viewVideo.aspx?000111Bs8A2Zvff3nnMgCvXHlYLxdIsnofBW3oZPUcpuq06SUD+0H0bZ9F/sTbTdfUk3M7gMFy7+8zHc0DVP7eSyrf7w==
Thank you.
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To help us help you, please to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
And post up here
all sides of the PCN;
a copy of your representations;
all sides of their rejection;a GSV link to the location;
and a copy of the video.
Only redact yr name & address from the docs - leave everything else in.
If you use Imgur or ibb.co you can copy & paste the BBCodes here, saving others the trouble of clicking on links.
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And the PCN…
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Hi all,
I would appreciate some help on this one. I have the option to pay reduced amount until about 15th Nov but thinking of appealing to the Adjudicator.
Yellow box junction 31j PCN issued by Bromley Council.
PCN BY96985062
VRM BN10UBM
Contravention occurred on 30/08/24 - received on the post and dated 4th September 24.
I appealed on 17/09/24 on the basis that the PCN stated make payment/appeal before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice. I was under the impression that it should be 28 days beginning with the date the notice is served. Also made an inquiry about a camera sign being displayed. My appeal was rejected on 31 Oct 24- see attached.
Anyone can find anything wrong with the wording of the PCN or the Rejection notice or technicality?
I halted for about 4 seconds with the rear wheels on the hatched area - wondering if junction is longer than it should be…? I was waiting to turn right at the junction ahead of the one where the video was captured. I stopped when the light was red then started moving forward into the junction when lights ahead turned green. Thank you.
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