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Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: ohhbenyouaresobig on November 13, 2024, 12:58:28 am
Thank you for all the help. I am new to this forum. Is it customary/good etiquette to keep the forums informed of my results and how everything goes. I would be happy to share.
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: b789 on November 12, 2024, 10:42:30 pm
You can file the defence with the modification I have already made. You don’t file anything through MCOL after having submitted your AoS.

You are only using MCOL to check your claim history up until the case is transferred to your local county court. After that, it plays no part in the process.
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: ohhbenyouaresobig on November 12, 2024, 04:55:14 pm
I can file the defence now? I don't need to wait until Friday? Apologies if an obvious answer just want to make sure I do everything correctly. One more question, do I still continue with the MCOL website regarding the defence as well as sending the defence and draft to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk

Many thanks
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: b789 on November 12, 2024, 04:03:20 pm
I've made a slight change to the defence which you can now go ahead and use.
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: ohhbenyouaresobig on November 12, 2024, 02:02:42 pm
You have been extremely helpful, thank you. I really appreciate your assistance. I will await your confirmation on Friday and go from there thank you once again.

Kind Regards
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: b789 on November 12, 2024, 01:51:21 pm
Here is the defence you should submit together with a link to the draft order that needs to go with it. You only need to edit your name, the claim number and to sign it by typing your full name for the signature and dating it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order:

Quote
IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Euro Car Parks Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE


1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach/breaches occurred, the exact time when the breach/breaches occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charges were allegedly incurred;

(d) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated;

(e) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(f) The PoC states that the Claimant is suing the defendant as the driver or the keeper. The claimant obviously knows whether the defendant is being sued as the driver or the keeper and should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action.

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which he/she/it faces and can then respond properly to the claim.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/gmpkg6f843yga1sw1iwdo/short-defence-order.docx?rlkey=ppd7dwlale9j25111548n2e1j&st=cew2dps7&dl=0)

Both documents should be sent as PDF attachments to an email addressed to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and also CC in yourself. The email subject must contain the claim number and in the body of the email put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of Euro Car Parks Ltd v [your full name] Claim number [claim number]".

Don't send this before Friday. As it is for more than one or two PCNs, I am seeking clarification on some wording from a District Judge, so it may beed editing before sending. I will confirm.
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: ohhbenyouaresobig on November 12, 2024, 01:32:22 pm
I will try to amend it with them now. If that proves to be not possible I will proceed your second bullet point and proceed as normal. Regarding my defence how would you recommend I proceed and what would you advise my defence should be?

Many thanks
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: b789 on November 12, 2024, 12:15:36 pm
Selecting the option to contest jurisdiction by mistake shouldn’t pose a major problem, but it may cause a small procedural complication. When you select this option, the court will expect you to file an application challenging the court's jurisdiction within 14 days of acknowledging service, and this requires a fee. Failing to file an application could lead to complications. These are your options:

• MCOL’s helpdesk may offer advice on any required steps to correct this mistake or call the CNBC and clarify your intent. You need to explain that this was an error and that you intend to defend the claim rather than contest jurisdiction.

• Instead of submitting an application contesting jurisdiction, just submit your defence as normal within 14 days of the AoS. This should override the mistake if the court sees that you’re defending rather than challenging jurisdiction.

• The court may issue further directions based on the jurisdiction option you selected. If so, you can clarify your intent to defend, not challenge jurisdiction.

Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: ohhbenyouaresobig on November 12, 2024, 09:42:26 am
I just read through your AoS link. I had sent the Aos before finding this forum and ticked YES to contest Jurisdiction.
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: ohhbenyouaresobig on November 12, 2024, 09:38:17 am
Thank you for taking the time to assist. I sent the acknowledgment yesterday via their MOL GOV website if that is any help
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: b789 on November 12, 2024, 01:42:09 am
With a claim issue date of 6th November, you have until Monday 25th November to submit the AoS. Use the link to the form I provided earlier to submit the AoS.

Having submitted the AoS before that date, you then have until 4pm on Monday 9th December to submit your defence. Let us know when you have submitted the AoS and we can provide a defence for you to submit.

As this is for 4 PCNs, they’ve added a fake £70 per PCN that would not be allowed by the court in the event you were not successful defending it. As there are some serious flaws in the Particulars of Claim (PoC), there is a high likelihood that this will be struck out at allocation stage or at least the pay will be forced to submit much more detailed PoC which are almost impossible for them. We’ll see.
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: DWMB2 on November 12, 2024, 12:09:02 am
SAR = Subject Access Request (https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/getting-copies-of-your-information-subject-access-request/)
DPO = Data Protection Officer (https://www.eurocarparks.com/privacy-statement/) (DPO@eurocarparks.com (DPO@eurocarparks.com))
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: ohhbenyouaresobig on November 12, 2024, 12:02:27 am
As the claim has now been issued, you should send an SAR to the DPO of Park Watch Euro Car Parks.
Doing this would be wise - for this to be the first you have heard of the matter when there are 4 PCNs in play would mean many letters have not reached you. That would indicate a potential issue with the address.

What is n SAR to DPO?
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: DWMB2 on November 11, 2024, 09:30:31 pm
As the claim has now been issued, you should send an SAR to the DPO of Park Watch Euro Car Parks.
Doing this would be wise - for this to be the first you have heard of the matter when there are 4 PCNs in play would mean many letters have not reached you. That would indicate a potential issue with the address.
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: ohhbenyouaresobig on November 11, 2024, 09:17:32 pm
Hey there yes absolutely!!! I have attached the letter I received. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: b789 on November 11, 2024, 06:52:25 pm
You are only liable as the Keeper if the PCNs issued were compliant with all the requirements of PoFA.

You say you know that your daughter has "accrued a fair number of tickets". How were you aware of this? Those "tickets", depending on whether they were windscreen Notices to Driver (NtD) or postal Notice to Keeper (NtK) are crucial to determining whether the PCN is fully compliant in order to be able to hold you, the Keeper, liable for those charges.

You need to dig them out or at leat find one or two if they are all for the same location. There would also have been reminders and debt collector letters, but these are not required. It is sight of the initial NtD or NtK that is important.

Please show us the N1SDT claim form. Only redact your personal information, the claim number, MCOL password and the vehicle VRM. Leave everything else, especially all dates and times visible.

What is the issue date of the claim? Don't do anything else right now if it has been issued within the last days. You only need to submit the Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) by following the instructions in this document:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

As the claim has now been issued, you should send an SAR to the DPO of Park Watch.
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: H C Andersen on November 11, 2024, 06:06:39 pm
Neither do we.

Perhaps you should submit a SAR. Otherwise you and we're completely in the  dark on this point.
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: ohhbenyouaresobig on November 11, 2024, 05:29:22 pm
I have absolutely no idea why this is the first letter thats made me aware because I would expect that there would have been many letters sent before this. The vehicle at the time was in my name but was sold a few years ago.
Title: Re: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: H C Andersen on November 11, 2024, 04:51:09 pm
Our daughter was driving my car during 2019

In which case all Notices to Keeper would have been addressed to you(using your DVLA registered keeper details*), not her.

Can you think of any reason why these didn't arrive?

Legally your daughter is not in the frame because you're the keeper* and it's too late to name her as driver(in order to avoid them chasing you) once legal proceedings have been issued.

*- were you the keeper or was it leased or hired?
Title: Daughter accumulated Euro car park fines in 2019 now at court what can we do?
Post by: ohhbenyouaresobig on November 11, 2024, 04:38:20 pm
Our daughter was driving my car during 2019 and she wasn't doing too well mentally at the time and had accrued a fair number of tickets. She collected about 10 tickets for driving into the car park and not paying for pay and display. We have only just become aware of this as we have received a claim form letter from the county court saying we have 14 days to respond and that Euro Car parks is taking us to court for the sum of £1095.16. This is quite a significant sum and unfortunately our daughter who we love dearly but due to being unwell mentally at the time was behaving rather questionably and we have been left to deal with it. I have responded online by acknowledging the claim but I wish to defend against this. What can I say or do that will assist me in getting these fines dropped and left alone. Any advice would be greatly welcomed. Many thanks