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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: AA81 on November 03, 2024, 05:56:40 pm

Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 25, 2024, 02:08:59 pm
I received the below reply from POPLA

Dear Mr

We are writing to update you about your appeal.

Your appeal is now ready to be assessed and is currently in a queue waiting to be allocated. We expect to make a decision on your appeal 6-8 weeks from the point that the appeal was first submitted. The next communication that you will receive from us will be the decision on your appeal.

Kind regards

POPLA Team
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 25, 2024, 01:55:05 pm
Thank you b789 and H C Andersen. I submitted my reply on Saturday, hopefully will hear from POPLA soon
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: H C Andersen on November 24, 2024, 02:48:13 pm
OP, to start with I suggest you amend your earliest posts which state who was driving.

Next, I suggest you approach this by looking at their evidence and then demolishing it rather than launching into your own points. They have to prove, you don't have to disprove.

I suggest you start by focusing on their rejection of your 'appeal', in particular para. 3 in which they:

Accept that motorists are entitled to a consideration period of 5 minutes;
Accept that the car was not parked for 5 minutes.

However, the operator claims to be able to disapply and disregard this legal principle and mandatory element of the Code of Practice on the basis that 'by law parking on the footpath is forbidden'.

I submit that whether criminal law prohibits parking on a footpath or not has no relevance in a civil contract or bearing on their Code of Practice duty to give objective and unbiased consideration to an 'appeal'.

The operator cannot have it both ways i.e. to rely upon a civil contract on PRIVATE land and then disregard a legal and Code of Practice defence(which otherwise they have accepted) by introducing irrelevant issues regarding the legality of parking on a footpath which, even if it existed, would only apply to PUBLIC highways and roads.

I think this should enough, but if you read the argument in their rejection(and compare with their case summary) you'll find even more.
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: b789 on November 23, 2024, 01:57:22 pm
The argument is that those signs are inadequate and unable to form a contract whether you park or stop on the road or on the pavement. Just use the response as provided to Tango33 for your response to the operators submission.
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 23, 2024, 01:16:15 pm
I'm really sorry for looking for clarification again. I had a look into the response suggested to Tango33. Can I use exactly the same reply? PPS are mentioning the parking on the footpath in their response. I'm not sure what to reply to this. Many thanks in advance
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 22, 2024, 04:00:33 pm
Already received the email yesterday, will have a look into the advice you gave to Tango33 and submit the response asap
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: b789 on November 22, 2024, 03:54:34 pm
You wait for the email from POPLA confirming that the operator has submitted their evidence pack and they give you 7 days to respond. Just go through the advice and suggested response we have provided to Tango33, making sure that the response is under 10,000 characters long.

We are still waiting for the outcome of the other POPLA appeal with Tango33.
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 22, 2024, 03:53:17 pm
Please see attached

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Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: DWMB2 on November 22, 2024, 03:16:12 pm
They reference attachments. Is the landowner agreement one of them? If so, show us.
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 22, 2024, 02:52:28 pm
Hi, received the below email. I believe it is the same as they sent to tango 33

From: <appeals@privateparkingsolutions.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024, 12:09
Subject: Appeal Case 5663194633
To: <xxxx@gmail.com>



Dear Mr ,


Below is our statement to POPLA regarding the appeal case in the subject line above, and the evidence pack is attached to this email.


"Dear Assessor, 

The contract that we are seeking payment on has arisen from a breach of the notified terms and conditions of parking stated on the signs that the landowner has requested us to erect and permitted to remain erected at this location. The evidence demonstrates that the signage, including three entrance signs, is clearly located to make motorists aware of the terms and conditions and the potential consequences of non-adherence to the terms have been made fully available "PRIVATE ROAD. This car park is controlled by Warden Patrols. If you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions stated below at any time you agree to pay a £100 Parking Charge Notice. No parking, waiting loading or unloading on the roads and footpaths at any time. By parking on this private land you agree to comply with these terms and conditions (the parking contract) and accept liability to pay the fee for unauthorised parking. Do not park here unless you agree to the terms and conditions displayed."
It should be noted that when entering a private parking area, the landowner is entitled to set its own parking terms and conditions they deem necessary to form a contract with motorists. These terms and conditions are clearly set out in the signage displayed on site.
The evidence demonstrates that the terms and conditions were adequately brought to the driver's attention, as the vehicle was parked a few feet away from a sign. According to the signage, parking on the road or footpaths is prohibited. This is because it may cause a potential hazard or obstruction to vehicles and pedestrians leaving or entering the site.
The photographic evidence shows that vehicle registration Lxxxx was stationary on the road and footpath area, both of which are explicitly restricted in the stated terms and conditions. Furthermore, the vehicle was parked on a dropped kerb, where parking is generally prohibited. Therefore, the driver cannot benefit from the consideration period as it is not applicable in areas where parking is not allowed.
It is also important to note that a parking attendant would be unable to issue a PCN to a vehicle if it was in motion. When a vehicle is not in motion, it is considered parked. The photographic evidence demonstrates that vehicle registration Lxxxxx came to a halt in a no parking area without any signs of moving. As the driver has parked in a restricted area, they became liable for a parking charge.
We would also like to advise that operators do not have to issue a notice directly to the driver of the vehicle, as we can hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. The evidence demonstrates that the appellant has been invited to nominate the driver, but they refused to do so. By failing to provide the driver's details, the appellant (the keeper) has assumed liability for this PCN.
Please note that the postcode on the PCN is sufficient for the motorist to determine where the vehicle was parked at the time of the contravention. According to the contract we have with the landowner, the site name is 'Uxbridge Industrial Estate.' The roads within the Uxbridge Industrial Estate are Wallingford Road, Salisbury Road, and Arundel Road. Together, these make up the 'Uxbridge Industrial Estate.’ The postcode refers to Uxbridge Industrial Estate, where the postcode on the PCN applies. Ultimately, it is the driver's responsibility to read the signs and act according to the terms and conditions applicable to the site to avoid the possibility of a PCN being issued."

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PRIVATE PARKING SOLUTIONS (LONDON) LTD
Register Address: 43 Berkeley Square, Mayfair, London, W1J 5AP

Correspondence Address: PO Box 1115, West Drayton UB8 9XD
Telephone: 01895713136

E-Mail:info@privateparkingsolutions.co.uk

www.privateparkingsolutions.co.uk
Company Registration Number: 07437253 Registered in En

Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 17, 2024, 05:35:25 pm
Thank you very much for help, I really appreciate it. Will send the appeal to POPLA and fingers crossed. Thanks again
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: b789 on November 17, 2024, 05:06:46 pm
I wouldn't mention the reason for stopping as POPLA will not consider mitigation and you would be hard pressed to evidence that it really was for an emergency. The lack of a consideration period will cover it.

Try this for your POPLA appeal:

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This is an appeal by the keeper. The Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by Private Parking Solutions Ltd is invalid and must be cancelled for the following reasons:

1. No Contract Formed Due to Prohibitory Signage
2. Stopping for 31 Seconds Does Not Constitute Parking and Falls Within the Consideration Period
3. Ambiguous Location on the Notice to Keeper (NtK)
4. The Operator Lacks Landowner Authority
5. The Notice to Keeper Fails to Comply With PoFA 2012
6. The Operator Has Not Shown That the Keeper Is the Driver

1. No Contract Formed Due to Prohibitory Signage

The signage at Uxbridge Industrial Estate is incapable of forming a contract with drivers. It is only prohibitory, listing multiple restrictions:

• “No parking, waiting, loading or unloading on the roads at any time.”
• “No parking, waiting, loading or unloading on the footpaths at any time.”
• “No causing obstructions at any time.”

These statements impose outright bans rather than offering terms. For a contract to exist, the signage must:

• Clearly state that parking is permitted under specific conditions.
• Specify that the driver agrees to those conditions by parking.
• Offer consideration, such as the right to park under those terms.

Here, no such offer or consideration is presented. Instead, the signage prohibits parking entirely, with a £100 charge framed as a penalty for breaching prohibitions. This does not constitute a contractual agreement but is instead a deterrent.

The Single Code of Practice (SCoP) at Section 5.0 prohibits the use of predatory practices, and Section 2.9 states that terms must be clear and enforceable. Prohibitory signage that fails to present any terms capable of forming a contract cannot meet these standards.

Without a valid contract, there can be no breach, and the PCN is unenforceable.

2. Stopping for 31 Seconds Does Not Constitute Parking and Falls Within the Consideration Period

The operator’s photographs show the vehicle stationary for just 31 seconds (10:40:04 to 10:40:35). This brief stop falls squarely within the consideration period required under the Single Code of Practice (SCoP).

Section 5.1 of the SCoP allows drivers sufficient time to read signage and decide whether to park. Penalising a stationary vehicle for such a brief period is unreasonable and contrary to the fairness principles outlined in Section 7.2.

The SCoP explicitly requires operators to allow for a consideration period and prohibits predatory behaviour. The operator’s actions in this case violate these standards.

Stopping briefly for 31 seconds cannot reasonably be considered "parking," and the operator has failed to demonstrate that a contravention occurred.

3. Ambiguous Location on the Notice to Keeper (NtK)

The NtK fails to identify the location of the alleged contravention with sufficient clarity, violating Paragraph 9(2)(a) of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012.

The NtK lists the location as:

"UXBRIDGE IND EST, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UXBRIDGE, UB8 2RZ."

This description refers to an entire industrial estate spanning multiple roads, creating ambiguity. PoFA requires the location to be described with enough particularity for the keeper to identify where the vehicle was parked. The inclusion of multiple roads does not meet this standard, especially for such a large estate.

As the keeper cannot discern the exact location of the alleged breach, the NtK fails to comply with PoFA, and no keeper liability can arise.

4. The Operator Lacks Landowner Authority

The operator has not demonstrated that they have the authority to issue PCNs at this location. Section 2.19 of the SCoP requires operators to have written authorisation from the landowner.

A mere statement or witness testimony is insufficient. To establish authority, the operator must provide an unredacted copy of their contract with the landowner, showing:

• The operator’s right to issue PCNs in their own name.
• The specific areas within the industrial estate covered by their enforcement.
• That the contract was valid at the time of the alleged contravention.

Without this evidence, the operator cannot demonstrate the legal standing required to enforce parking charges.

5. The Notice to Keeper Fails to Comply With PoFA 2012

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) issued by Private Parking Solutions Ltd fails to meet the mandatory requirements of Schedule 4, Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, which are necessary to transfer liability to the registered keeper. Specifically:

Failure to Include an Invitation to the Keeper as Required by PoFA 9(2)(e)(i):

The NtK does not include the required statement inviting the keeper to pay the parking charge or to provide the details of the driver. PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) explicitly requires that the NtK state:

“…invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges; or if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver…”

The omission of this invitation invalidates the NtK for the purpose of transferring liability to the keeper.

Failure to Clearly Identify the Location as Required by PoFA 9(2)(a):

The NtK lists the location as “UXBRIDGE IND EST, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UXBRIDGE, UB8 2RZ.” This description spans multiple roads within a large industrial estate and fails to identify the specific location with enough detail.

PoFA 9(2)(a) requires the NtK to specify the land on which the alleged contravention occurred. By failing to do so, the NtK does not comply, and no keeper liability can arise.

Non-compliance with PoFA 2012 renders the NtK invalid, and liability cannot be transferred to the keeper. As the keeper of the vehicle, I deny liability for this charge. There will be no admission as to who was driving, and no assumptions can be made.

6. The Operator Has Not Shown That the Keeper Is the Driver

Private Parking Solutions Ltd has not provided any evidence to demonstrate that the person being pursued (the keeper) was the driver at the time of the alleged contravention.

PoFA 2012 allows liability to be transferred to the keeper only if the operator fully complies with all the requirements of Schedule 4. In this case, the NtK fails to meet those requirements, as outlined in Section 5.

Where keeper liability cannot be established, the operator must prove that the keeper and driver are the same person. No such evidence has been provided.

The burden of proof lies with the operator to show who was driving. In the absence of such evidence, liability cannot be presumed or inferred.

The registered keeper cannot be pursued under a “law of agency” interpretation or any other presumption of liability. The operator’s failure to identify the driver or establish keeper liability invalidates their claim.

Conclusion

The PCN issued by Private Parking Solutions Ltd is invalid due to the following reasons:

• The signage is prohibitory and incapable of forming a contract.
• Stopping for 31 seconds falls within the consideration period and does not constitute parking.
• The NtK fails to identify the location with sufficient clarity, breaching PoFA 9(2)(a).
• The operator has not provided evidence of landowner authority.
• The NtK fails to comply with PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) by omitting the required invitation to the keeper.
• The operator has not shown that the person they are pursuing is the driver.

Given the above, I request that POPLA upholds this appeal and instructs the operator to cancel the PCN.
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 17, 2024, 04:28:21 pm
Hi I tried to use the appeal you advised, changed the time in it, but unfortunately not sure what to put there about the parking on the footpath, what the used in their appeal rejection. Please can you advise, I'm a bit lost, legal things are not exactly my cup off tea :-). Many thanks in advance

There are evidential photos of the vehicle being stationary from 10:40:04 till 10:40:35, which means 31 seconds, which is inside the consideration period.It is going to hinge on no contractual liability as no contract can be formed by the signage.

The sign is primarily prohibitory, listing multiple restrictions:

“No parking, waiting, loading or unloading on the roads at any time.”

“No parking, waiting, loading or unloading on the footpaths at any time.”

“No causing obstructions at any time.”

These prohibitions do not suggest an offer to allow parking under conditions. instead, they explicitly state what actions are not permitted. This does not form an offer that can be accepted by conduct.

The sign states: “£100 Parking Charge Notice reduced to £60 if paid within 14 days.” However, this charge is presented as a penalty for non-compliance with the prohibitions rather than as an offer for parking under conditions. There is no clear wording indicating that parking is allowed if certain conditions are met and that non-compliance will result in a charge.

The wording implies that the £100 charge is a consequence of breaching the prohibitions, but it does not indicate that the driver is entering into a contract by parking.

There is no explicit offer made to drivers in terms of allowing them to park under specific conditions. The sign simply lists prohibited actions without providing terms for permitted use.

There is no consideration offered to the driver (e.g., the right to park under specified conditions). Instead, the sign only lists what is forbidden and mentions a charge as a penalty.

The mention of a “Parking Charge Notice” suggests an intention to enforce penalties, but it does not clearly state that the driver is entering into a binding contract by parking there. The language used (“agree to pay”) is conditional and can only be interpreted as a deterrent rather than an offer.

Therefore, the signs as worded, are incapable of forming a valid contract. They fails to present an offer that a driver can accept by conduct. They are solely prohibitory, listing only what is not allowed without any indication that parking is allowed under certain conditions with a corresponding charge for non-compliance. The £100 charge appears as a deterrent or penalty rather than a term of a contract that the driver consents to by parking.

For the signs to be capable of forming a contract, they would need to:

1. Clearly state that parking is permitted under certain conditions.

2. Specify that by parking in the area, the driver agrees to those conditions and accepts the stated charge for non-compliance.

3. Use clear language that conveys an offer and the acceptance of terms, leading to the formation of a binding agreement.

They don’t do any of those things.

Also, the identification of the location on the Notice to Keeper (NtK) must be sufficiently clear to enable the recipient to understand exactly where the parking event occurred. Under PoFA, Paragraph 7(2)(a) requires that the relevant land where the vehicle was parked is described with enough detail to ensure the keeper is aware of the specific location.

The NtK mentions the location as "UXBRIDGE IND EST, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UXBRIDGE, UB8 2RZ," which includes the name of the industrial estate and three different roads within it. Listing multiple roads without specifying the exact road or more precise details where the vehicle was allegedly parked creates ambiguity. The keeper cannot discern the exact location or spot within the industrial estate where the alleged breach occurred.

PoFA requires that the location be identified with enough particularity so that a reasonable person can understand where the alleged contravention took place. The inclusion of multiple roads and only a general reference to an industrial estate falls short of providing enough clarity, especially if the estate is large or comprises multiple car parks or different parking arrangements.

For full PoFA compliance, the NtK should specify which road or part of the industrial estate the vehicle was parked on to leave no doubt as to the location. Without this, the location is not defined with enough particularity to meet PoFA requirements.

So, there can be no Keeper liability and the POPLA appeal must be made only as the Keeper with no obligation to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company.

The other point to include in the POPLA appeal will be to put the operator to strict proof that it has valid authority from the landowner to issue PCNs in its own name at the specified location. A signed statement or witness testimony alone is insufficient. An unredacted copy of the contract or agreement between the landowner and the operator must be provided to demonstrate that such authority exists. This is essential to establish that the operator has the legal standing to enforce parking charges at this site.



Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: DWMB2 on November 16, 2024, 05:38:49 pm
I think the nosebleed point would be more likely to find favour with a judge than POPLA.

If you draft something up using that other thread for inspiration we can comment.
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 16, 2024, 05:21:01 pm
Thank you, yes I have read that thread. Just to clarify, I should amend the reply - Reply #23 on: November 10, 2024, 08:16:04 am » and can submit it to POPLA. Should I mention that I only stopped for a minute as I had a nosebleed? Many thanks
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: b789 on November 16, 2024, 12:33:00 pm
Have you had a read this ongoing dispute for the same location?

Private Parking Solutions - PCN received - Uxbridge industrial estate (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/private-parking-solutions-uxbridge-industrial-estate/)

There is a suggested POPLA appeal you can adapt from there.
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 16, 2024, 12:05:59 pm
Good afternoon, as expected, my appeal got rejected

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Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 04, 2024, 06:43:19 pm
Thank you both for your help.I sent the appeal today, now is a waiting game  :) .Thanks again for your help
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: DWMB2 on November 04, 2024, 08:42:23 am
They're fairly likely to reject, but that is not indicative of the quality of your arguments.

As b789 and I have both said, you have the main argument that no contract can have been formed, both due to the duration of the stop, and the signage not being capable of forming a contract. Then you have the 'even if' argument, that even if a contract had been formed, this would have been frustrated due to a nosebleed forcing the driver to stop.
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 04, 2024, 02:05:03 am
Thank you, I tried to change the settings on the video but is not working.
I will send PPS an appeal, with the text you advised me earlier on and hope for the best.
Thank you again
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: b789 on November 04, 2024, 12:47:50 am
The video requires permission to access.

Irrespective of that, the sign shown is unable to form a contract. It offers nothing that can be accepted for consideration.

There is no contract to be bound by.

If POPLA don’t accept that the PCN has been issued incorrectly, then this wouldn’t stand a chance in the ultimate dispute resolution service, the small claims track of the county court.

Of course they would never let it get as far as a hearing as they’d be in for a spanking. They are hoping that you will capitulate if the initiate litigation and if you don’t, they will discontinue and move on in search of lower-hanging fruit on the gullible tree.
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 03, 2024, 08:13:12 pm
I hope you can see the video. Thank you
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 03, 2024, 08:12:18 pm
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G_KYNXzjwxCS1Ymh1DQlFsHb1FsQ_s4L/view?usp=drivesdk (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G_KYNXzjwxCS1Ymh1DQlFsHb1FsQ_s4L/view?usp=drivesdk)
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: DWMB2 on November 03, 2024, 08:00:15 pm
I don't think I can post a video here.
You'd need to use a third party like YouTube or Google Drive for that.
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 03, 2024, 07:56:33 pm
I don't think I can post a video here. I have got a video evidence that the signs are not clearly visible/readable when you are driving as they are placed sideways. Maybe there is a sign somewhere else on the estate wich is clearly visible but not on that side from were I wad coming from.
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 03, 2024, 07:49:14 pm
And some more pictures. The photo attached to my first reply is from the area I don't believe I driven through. Thank you

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Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: DWMB2 on November 03, 2024, 07:46:11 pm
So the entirety of the evidence photos on their website span a period of less than 30 seconds?

If they used that to try and argue in court that the vehicle formed a binding contract to park they would seem to be doomed by their own evidence!

Even if a contract would otherwise have been formed (which will be denied) a nosebleed would seem to constitute a situation outside of your control which could be used to argue frustration of contract. But frankly, the much stronger argument is that no contract can have been formed.

If you're nearby, photos of the signage (and any lack, or lack of prominence, thereof) would be useful.
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 03, 2024, 07:44:35 pm
The pictures from their website

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Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 03, 2024, 07:42:03 pm
Thank you, the driver was in the car and lights were on. The first picture was taken at 10:40:04 and the last at 10:40:36. I'm attaching the photos from their website,the last photo I don't even know in which part of that industrial estate was taken. I also got a video showing what you can see if you are driving on that road as a proof about the signs.

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Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: b789 on November 03, 2024, 07:17:47 pm
As a matter of interest, is the driver still in the vehicle in that photo? Can you check on the appeal website if they have any other evidential photos and, if so, what is the time span between the earliest photo and the last photo.

There is a failure in the NtK of PoFA 9(2)(a) as there is no specified period of parking. By failing to specify the period of parking in the NtK , they cannot hold the keeper liable. They have no idea of the drivers identity and there is no legal obligation on the keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company.

Also, they have breached the new Single Code of Practice (SCoP) (https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/NEW%20Redesigned%20Documents/sectorsingleCodeofPractice.pdf) section 2.9, 2.19, 2.24, 5.0, 5.1, 7.2, Annex B and Annex B1.

Any initial appeal to PPS is going to be rejected. However, an appeal rejection will then give you a POPLA code where you can try a stronger appeal.

For now, this is the stock appeal for this PCN. Any appeal must be as the Keeper only:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

Your Parking Charge Notice (PCN) has been issued incorrectly and is in breach of the new Single Code of Practice (SCoP) at sections 2.9, 2.19, 2.24, 5.0, 5.1, 7.2, Annex B and Annex B1 as no consideration period has been taken into account.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. PPS has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. PPS have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 03, 2024, 06:28:37 pm
Hi, thank you for your quick reply. Please see attached the Parking Charge Notice I received. Many thanks

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Title: Re: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: b789 on November 03, 2024, 06:12:55 pm
Welcome. You have not received any "fine". If you can show me that word anywhere in the paperwork, I will personally give you £100.

You have received a speculative invoice from an unregulated private parking company for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. No one receiving advice here pays a penny to these scammers.

Of course you challenge this, all the way to the ultimate dispute resolution service, the county court if necessary. It is easy and you will learn a thing or two in the process. There is no danger to your credit record or a CCJ.

PPS are a firm of ex-clamper thugs that rely on the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree paying them out of ignorance. Anyone receiving advice here is not low-hanging fruit anymore.

For now, please show us the Notice to Keeper (NtK) you received. All the information you need on how to post images is here:

READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)

I say this with a 99.9% probability that the most likely outcome of this will be a claim issued and then defended with advice from here and it will eventually be discontinued early next year.
Title: Parking Charge Notice
Post by: AA81 on November 03, 2024, 05:56:40 pm
Good evening, I am looking for some advice. I had to stop my car for a brief period, approximately 1 minute on the Uxbridge Industrial Estate as I had a nosebleed and needed to get a tissue. I received a Parking Charge Notice from Private Parking Solutions Ltd. When I  checked the pictures provided showing the car stationary for 35 seconds. Today I went back to check the signs. The signs are placed sideways and not clearly visible/readable when you are driving from the direction I was driving from. You have to stop your car, if you want to read the signs.  Please can you advise what can I do in this case? Should I just pay the fine or is there a way of challenging this? Many thanks in advance