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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Asif on October 26, 2024, 08:57:12 pm

Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on November 05, 2024, 03:55:50 am
GET IN !
Parkingeye cancelled the pcn, used their websites appeal option filled in the details added my digital receipt for that day. Telling them i was a legitimate shopper in Lidl that day and forget some items RESULT !
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 31, 2024, 09:52:31 am
I sent them  what you wrote.
Sent who what?

Sent this to Lee Baron

Dear Sirs,

I am writing regarding a Parking Charge Notice issued by your agent ParkingEye to me, the registered keeper of vehicle [VRM] at Ilford Lidl, land managed by Lee Baron. A copy of this notice is attached.

On the occasion the parking charge was issued, the driver of the vehicle was a customer of Lidl, and therefore a legitimate user of the car park. I have attached a receipt from Lidl confirming this. The charge was apparently issued because the vehicle returned within one hour, but ParkingEye have failed to provide any evidence that it was the same driver on both occasions, which would need to be the case for the alleged contravention to have occurred.

I am sure that when you hired ParkingEye, your intention as the managers of this land was to deter misuse of your car park, not to penalise legitimate customers of the retailers on your land, as has happened in this case. With that in mind, I kindly request that you instruct ParkingEye to cancel this unfair charge.

If ParkingEye continue to pursue the matter I will have no hesitation in defending my position, up to and including court if necessary, where Lee Baron may be held jointly and severally liable for the actions of their agent in any claim and/or counterclaim. I hope that it will not reach this stage, that common sense will prevail and the charge will be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: DWMB2 on October 31, 2024, 09:47:14 am
I sent them  what you wrote.
Sent who what?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 31, 2024, 09:38:38 am
Apologies just nervous about this stuff i suffer from anxiety i panick to quickly. I sent them  what you wrote.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: DWMB2 on October 31, 2024, 09:29:14 am
Please stop bumping your thread and be patient. This is a busy forum run entirely for free by volunteers. It's been less than 24 hours since someone last replied, you cannot expect instant support.

Personally I'd get back to that email from Lee Baron to ask if they will intervene if ParkingEye do not uphold your appeal. In the meantime, you could draft something up to show us.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 31, 2024, 09:22:01 am
Any help please i am new this appealing business
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 30, 2024, 05:52:33 pm
https://imgur.com/a/e7jF2YX

Shall i go onto the parkingeye site and appeal then ?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 30, 2024, 01:03:14 pm
Replied back asking to check attached PCN
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 30, 2024, 10:19:06 am
i attached the pcn as well as the shopping receipt for that day.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: DWMB2 on October 30, 2024, 10:15:26 am
Indeed - the email is not a flat out 'no', suggesting they may be amenable to helping you. Make the most of that.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: b789 on October 30, 2024, 10:10:46 am
What are you asking? Did you include a copy of the PCN when you contacted Lee Baron? It would appear not and the response you've shown us kind of confirms that. So, why not respond to that email and provide a copy of the PCN.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 30, 2024, 08:45:37 am
Should i appeal on the parkingeye website first ?


This is the reply back from Lee Baron
https://imgur.com/a/6nKSj9Z
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 29, 2024, 01:39:39 pm
Oh yes of course thank you for the correction 🤦🏾👍🏽
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: DWMB2 on October 29, 2024, 01:01:56 pm
Parkingeye has issued a speculative invoice for £100 to you, the keeper,
Better ?
You're the keeper, not Lee Baron. I'd also maybe adopt a slightly less confrontational tone upon first contact, and strengthen as necessary down the line, but that might just be me.

How about this:

Dear Sirs,

I am writing regarding a Parking Charge Notice issued by your agent ParkingEye to me, the registered keeper of vehicle [VRM] at Ilford Lidl, land managed by Lee Baron. A copy of this notice is attached.

On the occasion the parking charge was issued, the driver of the vehicle was a customer of Lidl, and therefore a legitimate user of the car park. I have attached a receipt from Lidl confirming this. The charge was apparently issued because the vehicle returned within one hour, but ParkingEye have failed to provide any evidence that it was the same driver on both occasions, which would need to be the case for the alleged contravention to have occurred.

I am sure that when you hired ParkingEye, your intention as the managers of this land was to deter misuse of your car park, not to penalise legitimate customers of the retailers on your land, as has happened in this case. With that in mind, I kindly request that you instruct ParkingEye to cancel this unfair charge.

If ParkingEye continue to pursue the matter I will have no hesitation in defending my position, up to and including court if necessary, where Lee Baron may be held jointly and severally liable for the actions of their agent in any claim and/or counterclaim. I hope that it will not reach this stage, that common sense will prevail and the charge will be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: b789 on October 29, 2024, 12:51:17 pm
Hello

Writing as the Registered Keeper of the car i received a PCN from ParkingEye. The driver was a customer of Lidl and spent £50.

Parkingeye has issued a speculative invoice for £100 to you, the keeper, because the vehicle returned within an hour. There was a legitimate reason for the vehicle returning as it was to pick up some items that had been forgotten.

Please get your agent to cancel the PCN, otherwise i intend to challenge this all the way to court if necessary and as Lee Baron is jointly and severally liable for the actions of their agent, they should be prepared to be named in any claim and counterclaim.

Attached are copies of the pcn and the the receipt from that day.

Better ?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 29, 2024, 12:41:13 pm
Hello

Writing as the Registered Keeper of the car i received a PCN from ParkingEye. The driver was a customer of Lidl and spent £50.

Parkingeye has issued a speculative invoice for £100 to you, the keeper, because the vehicle returned within an hour. There was a legitimate reason for the vehicle returning as it was to pick up some items that had been forgotten.

Please get your agent to cancel the PCN, otherwise i intend to challenge this all the way to court if necessary and as Lee Baron is jointly and severally liable for the actions of their agent, they should be prepared to be named in any claim and counterclaim.

Attached are copies of the pcn and the the receipt from that day.

Better ?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 29, 2024, 11:55:18 am
Thank you i shall re write the email 👍🏽
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: b789 on October 29, 2024, 11:34:19 am
Hi there

Shopped at Ilford Lidl many years and  on the 13/10/2024 spent £50 on shopping only to forgot the water bottles returned to lidl and a few days later received a PCN for £100, £60 if i pay within the date of issue of the letter. Parkingeye assume it was the same driver on both trips can they prove this ? I have attached the pcn and the receipt for that day

Thanks

Registered keeper

That to basic ?

Err... not quite. You are attaching "copies" of the PCN and the receipt, hopefully.

You are writing as the Registered Keeper of the car. No one except you know the identity of the driver/s. You are telling the estate managing agent that, as the keeper, you have received a PCN from PE. The driver was a customer of Lidl and spent £50.

PE, their agent, has issued a speculative invoice for £100 to you, the keeper, because the vehicle returned within an hour. There was a legitimate reason for the vehicle returning as it was to pick up some items that had been forgotten.

If they do not get their agent to cancel the PCN,  you intend to challenge this all the way to court if necessary and as they are jointly and severally liable for the actions of their agent, they should be prepared to be named in any claim and counterclaim.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: DWMB2 on October 29, 2024, 11:27:41 am
Who is that to? If Lee Baron, that's no good as it doesn't actually ask them to cancel the charge, which is the whole point of getting in touch with them!

Also, given that one of your appeal/Defence points is going to be that ParkingEye do not know who was driving on each occasion, it is probably wise to not strongly hint at who was driving when writing to anyone, even the landowner.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 29, 2024, 11:24:39 am
Right emailing lee baron what shall i put please help someone

Really?

How about explaining that you were a customer of Lidl (show a copy of a receipt) and you would like them to get their agent to cancel the PCN as it has been issued unfairly. Explain that as the contractor, they are jointly and severally liable for the actions of their agent and you intend to challenge the PCN all the way to court if necessary.

PE have no evidence that the driver who was operating the vehicle was the same person as on the first visit. The PCN is issued against the driver, who is unknown to them and there is no legal obligation to reveal the drivers identity to an unregulated private parking company.

Do I have to go on? Please use some imagination when putting together a request to the landowner.

Oh wow i missed whole bunch out 🤦🏾 good thing i came on here first then bloody hell lol
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 29, 2024, 11:20:35 am
Hi there

Shopped at Ilford Lidl many years and  on the 13/10/2024 spent £50 on shopping only to forgot the water bottles returned to lidl and a few days later received a PCN for £100, £60 if i pay within the date of issue of the letter. Parkingeye assume it was the same driver on both trips can they prove this ? I have attached the pcn and the receipt for that day

Thanks

Registered keeper

That to basic ?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: b789 on October 29, 2024, 11:17:19 am
Right emailing lee baron what shall i put please help someone

Really?

How about explaining that you were a customer of Lidl (show a copy of a receipt) and you would like them to get their agent to cancel the PCN as it has been issued unfairly. Explain that as the contractor, they are jointly and severally liable for the actions of their agent and you intend to challenge the PCN all the way to court if necessary.

PE have no evidence that the driver who was operating the vehicle was the same person as on the first visit. The PCN is issued against the driver, who is unknown to them and there is no legal obligation to reveal the drivers identity to an unregulated private parking company.

Do I have to go on? Please use some imagination when putting together a request to the landowner.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 29, 2024, 11:09:04 am
Right emailing lee baron what shall i put please help someone
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: b789 on October 27, 2024, 10:55:13 pm
If the car park is shared with other shops, it is quite possible that Lidl are not the contractor. In the photos you provided there is a sign saying that the site is managed by Lee Baron. There’s a contact number. Try it.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: roythebus on October 27, 2024, 05:39:11 pm
In my case I spoke to the Lidl manager and he said nothing he could do. I think their manager need retraining! After all, in a lot of Lidl stores they provide a touch screen to use to register your car for shopping there. Lidl are part of the plot.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 27, 2024, 03:51:02 pm
Will be contacting them tomorrow
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: b789 on October 27, 2024, 03:42:29 pm
So, what has Lee Baron said about the PCN?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 27, 2024, 01:19:57 pm
Just got from there manager just said contact parkingeye.

https://imgur.com/a/kfP4nKC
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 27, 2024, 10:58:33 am
Yes will going down there shortly
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: DWMB2 on October 27, 2024, 10:51:44 am
Absolutely worth starting with the manager of Lidl, that is always a good plan.

If there's no luck with them then we can advise on appeals.

If you visit the store to speak to the manager please also take some photos of the ParkingEye signs for us.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 27, 2024, 10:27:54 am
I done £50 worth of shopping that day would it be worth me talking to the lidl manager, see if he could do anything ?

Draft lol have not got a clue on how start lol🤦🏾
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: DWMB2 on October 27, 2024, 09:45:25 am
Don't appeal until you've shown us a draft of what you plan to send.

You'll appeal as the registered keeper.

Yes, you need to provide a name and contact email, otherwise how would they know who has appealed and how to let them know the result of the appeal?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 27, 2024, 09:39:05 am
These are the options on there site if i appeal
https://imgur.com/a/YgWwwBK

Do i have to give my name and email address?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 27, 2024, 08:54:48 am
Can we see the back of the pcn as well? There's usually a stock answer to these, I'm currently challenging one in Ashford Lidl. the problem is there's 2 Ashfords, each has a Lidl!

The wording on the PCN is wrong as well, don't pay, wait here for the answer to come along.

back page

https://imgur.com/a/4hWZfPE
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: mickR on October 26, 2024, 11:48:02 pm
also some PE pcns do not rely on pofa to get keeper liability
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: DWMB2 on October 26, 2024, 11:38:23 pm
A more basic point - the driver(s) enters into the contract with ParkingEye, not the vehicle. To prove any 'no return within ___' clause was broken, they would need to demonstrate that the same driver was driving on both visits. How do they plan to do that?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: roythebus on October 26, 2024, 11:35:04 pm
Can we see the back of the pcn as well? There's usually a stock answer to these, I'm currently challenging one in Ashford Lidl. the problem is there's 2 Ashfords, each has a Lidl!

The wording on the PCN is wrong as well, don't pay, wait here for the answer to come along.
Title: Parkingeye Lidl Ilford
Post by: Asif on October 26, 2024, 08:57:12 pm
Something seem off with this letter the vague description of location, also three different dates of issue  ???

I regularly use lidl/farmfoods never been didnt even realise it was no return with in one hour was only helping out my brother as well ffs 🤦🏾 can i appeal??

https://imgur.com/a/sOEkpIy