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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: mc542345 on August 09, 2023, 01:01:10 pm

Title: Re: Ealing code 12r a minute after my PayByPhone parking permit
Post by: cp8759 on August 14, 2023, 09:27:21 am

Quote from: mc542345 on August 10, 2023, 04:14:11 pm

So q remains, do I have grounds to not pay the PCN if the time of the permit was during the observation time of the officer?

Yes, the law allows you as long as is necessary to get a permit (but not a second more). As the permit was obtained during the observation period, by the end of the observation period the vehicle was not in contravention anyway.

If you send an informal representation explaining what you've explained to us, and providing proof of the pay by phone transaction, I'd expect the council to cancel this with no fuss.

Title: Re: Ealing code 12r a minute after my PayByPhone parking permit
Post by: guest179 on August 10, 2023, 04:48:31 pm

Can we be clear:
The reason this happened someone was visiting, they came inside my house and it took me a few minutes to get the ticket prepared.


So it wasn't your vehicle but your visitor's, therefore it's not your penalty although you might feel a moral obligation to pay.

You could draft informal reps and even formal reps but the liability remains their's, assuming the vehicle wasn't hired.

Title: Re: Ealing code 12r a minute after my PayByPhone parking permit
Post by: mc542345 on August 10, 2023, 04:14:11 pm

The details of the ticket I purchased are:
PayByPhone Parking Receipt

Transaction ID: 1157928532
Location: 37401
License: LR57VRZ

Description: ZONE A VISITOR PERMIT

Start Parking: 2023/08/09 10:52AM
Stop Parking: 2023/08/10 10:52AM
Cost: £4.95 including Service Charge (No VAT)

You can access a full list of all your parking transactions and update your profile at www.paybyphone.co.uk.

Thank you for using the PayByPhone parking service.




So q remains, do I have grounds to not pay the PCN if the time of the permit was during the observation time of the officer?

Title: Ealing code 12r a minute after my PayByPhone parking permit
Post by: mc542345 on August 09, 2023, 01:01:10 pm

I got a ticket for parking in a Permit spot. The ticket ( here (https://photos.app.goo.gl/PQTgADeg4sn7DwYu6)) says:

Time:10:53
"the civil enforcement officer ... observed the vehicle identified above from 10:50 to 10:53.

I have a PayByPhone app that I used to get a permit for this license plate at 10:52:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ccdkpBnBj2qmbB1L6 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/ccdkpBnBj2qmbB1L6)

The reason this happened someone was visiting, they came inside my house and it took me a few minutes to get the ticket prepared.

Do I have any grounds to not pay this £65 here, as when they came back to the car, I had bought the ticket?


Back of ticket is here (https://photos.app.goo.gl/r4eLArKXn4D9o1dM8) and here (https://photos.app.goo.gl/7T4QaXSCLeKBhWgi7)