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Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: b789 on September 28, 2025, 04:15:56 pm

              "Alea iacta est"

Ita vero
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: concoj on September 28, 2025, 02:55:50 pm



               "Alea iacta est"
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: b789 on September 19, 2025, 03:04:06 pm
This will be struck out or discontinued. But you are many months away from that. For now just go through the process. N180 DQ, waste of time mediation call, transfer to your local court, directions and dates/deadlines before it all ends.
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Post by: jfollows on September 19, 2025, 02:33:50 pm
Totally as expected. Although it seems like going round in circles, doesn’t it?
Usual advice:

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Having received your own N180, do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and legal@ce-service.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: concoj on September 19, 2025, 02:08:50 pm
https://imgur.com/a/3iePNVJ
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: concoj on September 19, 2025, 01:55:35 pm
I'm confident that if this is not struck out, it will be discontinued.


They are tireless

Please help
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: concoj on July 28, 2025, 06:19:54 pm
🙌🏻💪🏻🙏🏻
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: b789 on July 28, 2025, 06:16:41 pm
I'm confident that if this is not struck out, it will be discontinued.
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Post by: concoj on July 28, 2025, 05:16:22 pm
Done it as advised, many thanks b789
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: b789 on July 27, 2025, 02:55:18 pm
You will need send the following two documents as PDF attachments in an email to the court at enquiries.croydon.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and also CC the claimant at legal@ce-service.co.uk and also yourself. Include the following in the subject field of the email and the rest in the body:

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Subject: Croydon County Court – Claim H3GM8008 – Civil Enforcement Ltd v Baruja – Clarification under CPR 3.3(5) and Defence

Dear Court,

Please find attached the Defendant’s clarification under CPR 3.3(5), together with a fallback Defence filed in compliance with the Order dated 15 July 2025.

Yours faithfully,

Marcos Benito Baruja

Now include the following letter and the defence that follows:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM8008

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

Marcos Benito Baruja


Defendant



CLARIFICATION IN RESPONSE TO ORDER DATED 15 JULY 2025


To: District Judge Rowland 
County Court at Croydon 
Altyre Road 
Croydon 
CR9 5AB 

Dear District Judge Rowland,

I write in response to the Order dated 15 July 2025, made of the court’s own initiative under CPR 3.3, which states:

Upon the Defence appearing to be an application and not, in fact, a Defence...

The Defendant respectfully clarifies that the document filed on 26 July 2025 was a fully pleaded Defence, compliant with CPR 15 and CPR 16.5. It addressed both jurisdictional and substantive defects in the claim, including:

- The failure to serve the claim form within 4 months of issue, contrary to CPR 7.5;
- The absence of any application for extension under CPR 7.6(3);
- The resulting lack of jurisdiction, pursuant to Vinos v Marks & Spencer plc [2001] 3 All ER 784;
- The failure of the Particulars of Claim to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) and Practice Direction 16, disclosing no cause of action.

The Defence also invited the court to strike out the claim under CPR 3.4(2)(a) and (c), and included a draft order to that effect. This was not an application, but a procedural invitation for the court to exercise its powers of its own initiative, as permitted under Practice Direction 3A and the overriding objective.

The phrase in the Order — “Upon the Defence appearing to be an application and not, in fact, a Defence...” — reflects a category error. The Civil Procedure Rules do not require a defence to be passive or deferential. A defence can — and should — assert strike-out grounds, especially where the claim is void or incoherent. This is consistent with the overriding objective and the court’s discretion under CPR 3.4.

The Defendant respectfully submits that no further Defence is required to a claim that is:

- Expired and unserved within the permitted timeframe;
- Incoherent and legally defective;
- Unsupported by any pleaded contractual terms or identified breach.

Accordingly, the Defendant invites the court to reconsider the Order dated 15 July 2025 and to strike out the claim pursuant to CPR 3.4(2)(a) and (c).

This clarification is submitted pursuant to CPR 3.3(5) and is copied to the Claimant.

Yours faithfully,
 
Marcos Benito Baruja



Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Clarification are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed: Marcos Benito Baruja


Date: 28 July 2025

The defence:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM8008

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

Marcos Benito Baruja


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant is the registered keeper of vehicle registration GJ60PEO.

2. The Defendant denies liability for the sums claimed or any amount at all.

3. The Defendant asserts that the claim is void, having not been served within the time permitted by CPR 7.5. The claim form was issued on 14 May 2021. In accordance with CPR 7.5(1), the deadline for service was 14 September 2021. No valid service ever took place, and no extension under CPR 7.6 was sought or granted.

4. The County Court has already set aside the default judgment under CPR 13.2, accepting that no valid service occurred. Accordingly, the claim form expired unserved and cannot now be revived. In accordance with Vinos v Marks & Spencer plc [2001] 3 All ER 784, the court has no jurisdiction to try this claim.

5. Separately, and without prejudice to the above, the Particulars of Claim fail to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). They disclose no facts capable of founding a cause of action. No contractual terms are pleaded. No breach is identified. No legal basis is set out for the sums claimed.

6. The Defendant is therefore unable to respond to any specific allegations, as none are properly pleaded.

7. This Defence is filed solely to comply with the Court’s order of 15 July 2025. It is not a concession that the claim is valid or that further pleadings would be appropriate. The Defendant will oppose any attempt to amend or re-serve the claim form, which is no longer extant in law.

8. The Defendant respectfully invites the Court to strike out the claim under CPR 3.4(2)(a) and (c), on the basis that it discloses no reasonable grounds and constitutes an abuse of process.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed: Marcos Benito Baruja


Date: 28 July 2025

Do this today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: concoj on July 26, 2025, 10:36:16 pm
Dated on the 15th, dated and posted on the 22nd, received on the 25th and expected reply before the 29th… smells unfairness
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: b789 on July 26, 2025, 08:43:20 pm
That order is ridiculous.

A fully pleaded defence was filed in response to the claim. That defence addresses both the substance of the claim and the procedural defects, including:

- The failure to serve the claim form within 4 months of issue, contrary to CPR 7.5;
- The lack of jurisdiction following Vinos v Marks & Spencer plc [2001] 3 All ER 784;
- The failure of the Particulars of Claim to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a);
- The absence of any pleaded cause of action or contractual basis.

The defence also invited the Court to strike out the claim under CPR 3.4(2)(a) and (c), and included a draft order to that effect. This is a legitimate and efficient approach, consistent with CPR 16.5 and CPR 3.4.

Paragraphs 1–2 deny liability and establish standing.
Paragraphs 3–8 assert lack of jurisdiction due to expired claim form and defective service.
Paragraphs 9–13 challenge the adequacy of the Particulars of Claim under CPR 16.4.
Paragraphs 14–17 invite strike-out under CPR 3.4(2)(a) and (c).
Paragraph 18 reserves the right to amend if proper particulars are served.
This is a fully pleaded defence that incorporates strike-out grounds as part of the response to the claim — a legitimate and efficient approach under CPR 16.5 and CPR 3.4.

It appears the Court has mischaracterised the defence as an application.

I'll have to consult with a judge to see what they think of this and get back to you. You have very little time to get this sorted. This whole case has been a bit of a shambles unfortunately.
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: b789 on July 26, 2025, 08:27:02 pm
Have we ever seen there original Particulars of Claim (PoC)? I can't find any copy of the PoC or the original claim form (that was never received).

[Edit] Never mind, found it.
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Post by: concoj on July 26, 2025, 06:33:50 pm
Post arrived

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Post by: jfollows on June 21, 2025, 12:00:29 pm
Should  I send my bank details to the claimant as they request ?
Do you want them to pay you?
Of course you should, why wouldn’t you?
Otherwise their excuse for not paying you will be because you wouldn’t tell them your bank details ……
I’ll happily send you my bank account details if you’re going to pay me money!
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Post by: MELBE on June 21, 2025, 11:59:15 am
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Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: b789 on June 21, 2025, 10:07:31 am
Good. You have served a copy of your defence and draft order on the claimant. You will also send by email, as advised, on Tuesday 24th June, BEFORE 4pm, the defence and draft order to enquiries.croydon.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and CC legal@ce-service.co.uk and yourself.

Then you wait and let us know what response you get.
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Post by: concoj on June 21, 2025, 12:17:01 am
Everything as you advised, thank you




email arrived asking for my bank details


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Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: concoj on June 20, 2025, 01:06:43 pm
I know, just double checking. Thanks
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Post by: b789 on June 20, 2025, 01:02:48 pm
You only need to send a copy of the defence and draft order by post to the court. Everything else is done by email. This is simply a "belt & braces" exercise for now.
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Post by: concoj on June 20, 2025, 12:40:04 pm
Ok understood

Question
Should I send first class still, also?
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Post by: b789 on June 20, 2025, 12:32:57 pm
so, you email the defence and draft order to enquiries.croydon.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and CC legal@ce-service.co.uk and yourself.

If you have not received the £300 costs as ordered by Friday 4th July, send the following by email to legal@ce-service.co.uk and CC yourself:

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Subject: Claim No: H3GM80Q8 – Breach of Costs Order dated 3 June 2025

Dear Civil Enforcement Legal Team,

Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd v Marcos Benito Baraja Claim Number: H3GM80Q8 – County Court at Croydon

I refer to the order made by District Judge Harper on 3 June 2025, which required the Claimant to pay the Defendant’s costs in the sum of £300.00 within 14 days of service.

The sealed order was issued on 18 June 2025 and deemed served on 20 June 2025. The deadline for compliance therefore expired on 4 July 2025. No payment has been received.

This is a clear breach of a binding court order. If payment is not received in full by 7 July 2025, I will proceed without further notice to issue formal enforcement proceedings under CPR Parts 70 and/or 71. Please be advised that any such application will include a claim for the additional costs of enforcement, for which you may be held liable pursuant to CPR 44.2 and the overriding objective.

If payment has already been made, please confirm this immediately. If you require bank details, request them without delay.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]

ONLY send the above if you have NOT received payment by Friday 4th July.
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: concoj on June 20, 2025, 09:44:48 am
Thanks,

Nope they haven’t paid

I screenshot the email address

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Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: b789 on June 20, 2025, 08:57:56 am
OK. Do you have the email address CE used to send you the SAR response? Please show it to us.

Have CE paid your £300 costs order yet?

I suggest that you do the following TODAY. You post the defence and draft order, repeated below, FIRST CLASS and you do so at a Post Office and get a free 'Proof of Posting' certificate. You address is to Civil Enforcement Ltd, Horton House, Exchange Flags, Liverpool L2 3PF. DO NOT leave this until tomorrow or after the weekend. You MUST get a proof of posting certificate dated today.

You also email the defence and draft order to the court at enquiries.croydon.countycourt@justice.gov.ukand, if you have valid email address for CE, CC it to that email address and also CC yourself.

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM808Q

BETWEEN:

Cicil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE


1. The Defendant is the registered keeper of vehicle registration GJ60PEO.

2. The Defendant denies liability to the Claimant for the sums claimed or any amount at all.

3. The Defendant was unaware of this claim until receiving a letter dated 13 October 2024 from the Claimant, informing them of a County Court Judgment entered in default on 15 June 2021. The Defendant applied to set aside that judgment on the grounds of defective service.

4. On 3 June 2025, the County Court granted the Defendant’s application and set aside the judgment under CPR 13.2. This confirms that no valid service of the claim form ever took place.

5. The Claimant issued the claim on 14 May 2021. In accordance with CPR 7.5(1), a claim form must be served on the Defendant within 4 calendar months of the date of issue — i.e. by 14 September 2021.

6. It is now an accepted fact, as recognised by the Court in setting aside judgment under CPR 13.2, that the claim form was never served within that 4-month period. No application to extend time for service was made within those 4 months. Therefore, the claim form expired and cannot now be revived.

7. In Vinos v Marks & Spencer plc [2001] 3 All ER 784, the Court of Appeal confirmed that failure to comply with CPR 7.5 by serving a claim form within the permitted period is fatal to the claim. The court has no power to retrospectively validate service or to revive an expired claim form.

8. In light of Vinos, and the fact that no valid service took place within the prescribed timeframe, the Court has no jurisdiction to try the claim. The claim is void and must be struck out accordingly.

9. Further and in the alternative, the Particulars of Claim do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a), which requires a concise statement of the facts on which the Claimant relies.

10. The Particulars of Claim filed in this case do not identify a cause of action. They merely refer to a parking charge being incurred and assert, without evidence or explanation, that the Defendant breached unspecified terms and conditions.

11. No contractual terms are pleaded. No conduct is identified as constituting a breach. No explanation is given as to how the sum of £170 was arrived at, nor is any legal basis offered for seeking the claimed interest or charges.

12. This style of pleading has already been criticised in other persuasive appeals cases. In Civil Enforcement Ltd v Chan (2023) [E7GM9W44] (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nb9ypbecuurpmln00dily/CELvChan-appeal-transcript.pdf?rlkey=7mpuvpmpe45s2zbhch21om1ez&st=ndm4dqsk&dl=0) and the same claimant as in this case, HHJ Murch held that the standard CEL wording failed to identify a cause of action and was therefore an abuse of process. The claim was struck out.

13. The same issues were identified in the persuasive appeals case of CPMS v Akande (2024) [K0DP5J30] (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y631olc61z1slr6xfrdsk/CPM-v-AKANDE.pdf?rlkey=kltpojedcxiwarxr0sdfyjo05&st=366k8qf5&dl=0), where the County Court also struck out a claim pleaded in virtually identical terms for failing to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) and failing to disclose any reasonable grounds or cause of action.

14. The Defendant invites the Court to adopt the same approach in this case and to strike out the claim under CPR 3.4(2)(a) and (c) on the grounds that (i) the statement of case discloses no reasonable grounds, and (ii) it is an abuse of process.

15. The Defendant further submits that the Court is entitled to strike out the claim of its own initiative, on reading the Particulars of Claim and Defence, on the basis that:

(a) the Particulars do not set out the terms of any alleged contract;
(b) the Particulars do not identify what the alleged breach was;
(c) the Claimant could have remedied this defect by serving separate, detailed particulars pursuant to CPR PD7C para 5.2(2), but chose not to;
(d) the sums claimed are modest, and it would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective to expend court resources on ordering amended particulars and a further defence.

16. The claim concerns a very modest sum, and it would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective to allocate further court resources by ordering the Claimant to re-plead its case or to require the Defendant to plead a further defence to an incoherent claim.

17. In light of the above, the Defendant respectfully invites the Court to strike out the claim in full.

18. If the claim is not struck out, the Defendant reserves the right to amend and expand this Defence once proper Particulars of Claim are served.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

And the draft order, preferably as a Word (.docx) format, but PDF will be OK:

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IN THE COUNTY COURTAT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM808Q

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DRAFT ORDER


UPON reading the Defence filed by the Defendant

AND UPON the Court being satisfied that:

1. The claim form was not served within four months of issue, contrary to CPR 7.5;

2. The Court has no jurisdiction to try the claim, following Vinos v Marks & Spencer plc [2001] 3 All ER 784;

3. The Particulars of Claim fail to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) and disclose no reasonable cause of action;

4. It would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective to require the Claimant to re-plead and the Defendant to respond to an incoherent and expired claim;

IT IS ORDERED THAT:

1. The claim is struck out pursuant to CPR 3.4(2)(a) and (c);

2. The Claimant shall pay the Defendant’s costs of defending the claim, to be summarily assessed if not agreed.

Dated:
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: concoj on June 19, 2025, 08:39:03 pm
hi,

Order arrived today



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Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: b789 on June 04, 2025, 05:44:00 pm
I do not understand the questions. Could you please kindly formulate those in a different way, thanks

I am a bit surprised that the DDJ only required you to submit a defence by 24th June. Normally, they would require the claimant to either re-issue the claim first and then for you to submit your defence.

It may be worth waiting for the order to come from the court so you can show us and then we will know exactly what the DDJ ordered. It normally takes a week or so to arrive in the post.

You say the DDJ refused the strike out because you only put "Set aside" on the N244 application form. The DDJ was correct in law: the court cannot strike out a claim of its own initiative at a CPR 13.2 hearing if the N244 application itself didn’t expressly request a strike-out order. Whilst the draft order and WS asked for it—but unless it’s ticked or stated clearly in box 3 (the relief sought) on the N244 application, the court will usually limit its decision to what was formally requested on the face of that application.

That being said, the defence can still (and does) raise these strike-out points, and as the defendant, you are perfectly entitled to ask for the claim to be struck out in the defence. The CPR does not prevent a defendant from raising CPR 3.4 grounds at the defence stage, especially when:

• The claim form was never validly served within 4 months (CPR 7.5);
• The PoC are facially defective under CPR 16.4(1)(a);
• The sum is modest and disproportionate to pursue further;
• And the Court has now found service to be invalid under CPR 13.2.

As you have been given you a deadline by which you must file a defence to the claim and as you have not had any further PoC and unless the judge has ordered the claimant to submit them, it is too late for them to submit now. So, the defence you submit is based on the PoC of the original claim, even though technically, you have never been served them.

In addition to the suggested defence, you should also combine the following draft order with it. There is nothing for you to edit in the draft order except your name. The draft order is included with the defence as an attachment in MS Word format:

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IN THE COUNTY COURTAT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM808Q

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DRAFT ORDER


UPON reading the Defence filed by the Defendant

AND UPON the Court being satisfied that:

1. The claim form was not served within four months of issue, contrary to CPR 7.5;

2. The Court has no jurisdiction to try the claim, following Vinos v Marks & Spencer plc [2001] 3 All ER 784;

3. The Particulars of Claim fail to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) and disclose no reasonable cause of action;

4. It would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective to require the Claimant to re-plead and the Defendant to respond to an incoherent and expired claim;

IT IS ORDERED THAT:

1. The claim is struck out pursuant to CPR 3.4(2)(a) and (c);

2. The Claimant shall pay the Defendant’s costs of defending the claim, to be summarily assessed if not agreed.

Dated:

Here is a link to the draft order in MS Word .docx format:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4uodp2u986vowg0lca0os/Draft-order-H3GM808Q.docx?rlkey=qjqfcxqqllt8y4hhdvgvme20a&st=w5ukyid2&dl=0
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: concoj on June 04, 2025, 04:23:44 pm
I suggest the following defence be submitted but only after you've confirmed that the courts order in the set aside only required the defendant to submit a defence and that there was no other order on the claimant to submit a new claim or further PoC to the claim that was set aside today:]

I do not understand the questions. Could you please kindly formulate those in a different way, thanks
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: concoj on June 04, 2025, 04:15:31 pm
Please let us know how you get on in court today. Hopefully the CCJ will be set aside (mandatory set aside) and the claim itself will be struck out

Thank you so much for your help as the YouTube video was really helpful and I felt more comfortable after I watched it. It was exactly like the video mentioned in a little room like an office just me as defendant and the judge.
I brought the 3 set of hard copies as you advised thank you so much for that too, 68 pages each, that i shared with Deputy District Judge Harper, she only joked that she didn't have the time to review them all, but finally she skimmed around a little bit and said that she already had everything she needed.
The sra. judge led me through the process as you said and also asked how I was able to prepare my self to fight this case. Unfortunately the part "b" on the complains application was missing as I only wrote the sentence "set aside". Hence that will be unfair to the other part 'she said' as I never requested for a 'strike out' on my application. However she gave me the opportunity to file and sent a defence before 3 weeks.

-WS paragraph 20. - ["In light of the procedural breaches, the defective service of the claim form, the inadequacy of the PoC, and the fact that the claim is now time-barred, I respectfully request that the court:

a. Set aside the default judgment under CPR 13.2 or, alternatively, CPR 13.3;
b. Strike out the claim under CPR 3.4(2) due to the Claimant’s non-compliance with CPR 16.4 and CPR 7.5;
c. Award me my costs of this application on an indemnity basis."]
Sadly, that she focus so much on this paragraph but happy that she set aside the CCJ.

Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 03:11:55 pm
I suggest the following defence be submitted but only after you've confirmed that the courts order in the set aside only required the defendant to submit a defence and that there was no other order on the claimant to submit a new claim or further PoC to the claim that was set aside today:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM808Q

BETWEEN:

Cicil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE


1. The Defendant is the registered keeper of vehicle registration GJ60PEO.

2. The Defendant denies liability to the Claimant for the sums claimed or any amount at all.

3. The Defendant was unaware of this claim until receiving a letter dated 13 October 2024 from the Claimant, informing them of a County Court Judgment entered in default on 15 June 2021. The Defendant applied to set aside that judgment on the grounds of defective service.

4. On 3 June 2025, the County Court granted the Defendant’s application and set aside the judgment under CPR 13.2. This confirms that no valid service of the claim form ever took place.

5. The Claimant issued the claim on 14 May 2021. In accordance with CPR 7.5(1), a claim form must be served on the Defendant within 4 calendar months of the date of issue — i.e. by 14 September 2021.

6. It is now an accepted fact, as recognised by the Court in setting aside judgment under CPR 13.2, that the claim form was never served within that 4-month period. No application to extend time for service was made within those 4 months. Therefore, the claim form expired and cannot now be revived.

7. In Vinos v Marks & Spencer plc [2001] 3 All ER 784, the Court of Appeal confirmed that failure to comply with CPR 7.5 by serving a claim form within the permitted period is fatal to the claim. The court has no power to retrospectively validate service or to revive an expired claim form.

8. In light of Vinos, and the fact that no valid service took place within the prescribed timeframe, the Court has no jurisdiction to try the claim. The claim is void and must be struck out accordingly.

9. Further and in the alternative, the Particulars of Claim do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a), which requires a concise statement of the facts on which the Claimant relies.

10. The Particulars of Claim filed in this case do not identify a cause of action. They merely refer to a parking charge being incurred and assert, without evidence or explanation, that the Defendant breached unspecified terms and conditions.

11. No contractual terms are pleaded. No conduct is identified as constituting a breach. No explanation is given as to how the sum of £170 was arrived at, nor is any legal basis offered for seeking the claimed interest or charges.

12. This style of pleading has already been criticised in other persuasive appeals cases. In Civil Enforcement Ltd v Chan (2023) [E7GM9W44] (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nb9ypbecuurpmln00dily/CELvChan-appeal-transcript.pdf?rlkey=7mpuvpmpe45s2zbhch21om1ez&st=ndm4dqsk&dl=0) and the same claimant as in this case, HHJ Murch held that the standard CEL wording failed to identify a cause of action and was therefore an abuse of process. The claim was struck out.

13. The same issues were identified in the persuasive appeals case of CPMS v Akande (2024) [K0DP5J30] (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y631olc61z1slr6xfrdsk/CPM-v-AKANDE.pdf?rlkey=kltpojedcxiwarxr0sdfyjo05&st=366k8qf5&dl=0), where the County Court also struck out a claim pleaded in virtually identical terms for failing to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) and failing to disclose any reasonable grounds or cause of action.

14. The Defendant invites the Court to adopt the same approach in this case and to strike out the claim under CPR 3.4(2)(a) and (c) on the grounds that (i) the statement of case discloses no reasonable grounds, and (ii) it is an abuse of process.

15. The Defendant further submits that the Court is entitled to strike out the claim of its own initiative, on reading the Particulars of Claim and Defence, on the basis that:

(a) the Particulars do not set out the terms of any alleged contract;
(b) the Particulars do not identify what the alleged breach was;
(c) the Claimant could have remedied this defect by serving separate, detailed particulars pursuant to CPR PD7C para 5.2(2), but chose not to;
(d) the sums claimed are modest, and it would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective to expend court resources on ordering amended particulars and a further defence.

16. The claim concerns a very modest sum, and it would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective to allocate further court resources by ordering the Claimant to re-plead its case or to require the Defendant to plead a further defence to an incoherent claim.

17. In light of the above, the Defendant respectfully invites the Court to strike out the claim in full.

18. If the claim is not struck out, the Defendant reserves the right to amend and expand this Defence once proper Particulars of Claim are served.

DONOT send this or anything until the deadline date, as there may be further amendments depending on your answers to the above questions.
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Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 01:51:57 pm
Well done How did you find it overall? Did the claimant have a representative there?

Your CCJ has been set aside and the claimant must pay your costs for the application. That's a great win in itself.

I'm not exactly sure what you meant by the rest of your posts but you say "new appointment" (??) and you've been ordered to submit a defence by 4pm on Tuesday 24th June. What is this "appointment"? Is it the deadline for you to submit a defence to the claim or for a hearing on the claim itself?

Has the claimant been ordered to submit further PoC or a new claim?

You can request the strike out in your defence, assuming the claimant doesn't throw the towel in before then.
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Post by: concoj on June 03, 2025, 11:54:51 am
Deputy District Judge Harper helped with the set aside today and requested £300 cost to the claimant  by 17/06/25. However 'not strike out' as this was missing in the court application although been requested in WS paragraph 20, part b.

New appointment, 24/06/25 to file + serve a defence by 4pm.


"20. In light of the procedural breaches, the defective service of the claim form, the inadequacy of the PoC, and the fact that the claim is now time-barred, I respectfully request that the court:

a. Set aside the default judgment under CPR 13.2 or, alternatively, CPR 13.3;
b. Strike out the claim under CPR 3.4(2) due to the Claimant’s non-compliance with CPR 16.4 and CPR 7.5;
c. Award me my costs of this application on an indemnity basis."

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Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 10:47:15 am
No doubt you Arte in court now waiting for your hearing. The SAR, which was conveniently not responded to until the day before your set aside hearing, contains evidence of their failure to do the necessary checks before issuing the original claim to an address you no longer resided at but they easily found your current address a few years later when trying to chase up the CCJ.

The original PCN, issued as a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK) was not PoFA compliant and therefore they could never have held you liable as the Keeper. If you never gave them the identity of the driver, then they had no cause to sue you.

Please let us know how you get on in court today. Hopefully the CCJ will be set aside (mandatory set aside) and the claim itself will be struck out.
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Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 10:26:04 am
You need to redact your personal information!!!!!!
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Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 12:22:45 am
If you're referring to the link you PM'd me, I don't conduct advice by PM and anyway, the link required me to ask permission for access.

Just post the link here and make it publicly accessible. Just make sure that anything in the linked file is suitably redacted of your personal info.
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Post by: concoj on June 02, 2025, 11:01:23 pm
is on google drive
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Post by: b789 on June 02, 2025, 09:16:28 pm
Got an email this afternoon including a 55 pages pdf

@concoj,how about hosing the pdf on DropBox or Google Drive so that we can have a look and tell you anything about it.
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Post by: b789 on June 02, 2025, 09:15:35 pm
Tomorrow is the hearing and I don't know what to do or say

Please HELP

Don't panic. Here is a short video of what to expect and I doubt that they will even send a representative to the hearing:

https://youtu.be/n93eoaxhzpU?feature=shared

Make sure you take all your evidence and copies of the paperwork you've already received and sent, including your WS and any supplemental statements and draft order. Take two extra copies of each item as there is a remote chance that some of the paperwork may not have been received or has been mislaid. So, a copy for yourself, one for the judge and one for the claimants representative, if there is on.

Make sure you understand everything you have put in your application of the set aside and why the claim should be struck out after the set aside.

Make sure you get to the court early as you will have to go through security and once inside, you can let the usher know you are there. It's a great learning experience and we'd appreciate any feedback you can give about your experience. Try and remember the judges name for us and anything mentioned.

Just remember, read through this thread and understand what tis process is all about and what you are asking the judge to consider in your case. The judge will lead you through the process and knows you are a layperson with no legal training. If asked about your submissions, you can say the you have received advice from the internet specific to your case. I tis perfectly acceptable.
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Post by: concoj on June 02, 2025, 06:48:36 pm
Got an email this afternoon including a 55 pages pdf 

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Post by: concoj on June 02, 2025, 01:05:13 pm
Tomorrow is the hearing and I don't know what to do or say


Please HELP
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Post by: concoj on May 22, 2025, 05:14:13 pm
thanks, i chase them...


Dear Sir/Madam,



I am writing to follow up on the Subject Access Request (SAR) I submitted to you on 1st April 2025, under Article 15 of the UK GDPR and section 45 of the Data Protection Act 2018.



Under data protection law, you are required to respond to SARs without undue delay and, in any case, within one calendar month of receipt. As of today, over 50 days have passed, and I have not received a response or any indication of an extension being applied under Article 12(3) of the UK GDPR.



I therefore formally request that you respond immediately, as your organisation is now in clear breach of its legal obligations under UK data protection law.



If I do not receive a full and adequate response within 7 days, I will have no choice but to escalate this matter to the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) for further investigation.



Please treat this matter with urgency and ensure that my rights under data protection law are respected.



Yours faithfully


[ full name]
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Post by: DWMB2 on May 22, 2025, 08:36:36 am
Chase them
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Post by: concoj on May 22, 2025, 07:01:21 am
Nope. unfortunately I haven’t got a response to the SAR. Yes I sent CC to myself as you advised. I have check all the emails and nothing. I sent it on the 1/4/25
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Post by: b789 on May 06, 2025, 10:06:01 am
Have you not had a response to your SAR? They were bound to provide the information no later than 30 days after you sent it.

When you sent the SAR, presumably by email to their DPO, did you also CC yourself? If so, you should have a copy of the email you sent in your in box which is evidence that the email was sent as it will also show the DPO email address.
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Post by: concoj on May 05, 2025, 08:49:33 pm
New hearing date

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Post by: b789 on March 24, 2025, 12:30:02 pm
Send a Subject Access Request (SAR) to Civil Enforcement. Send it in an email to: dataprotectionofficer@ce-service.co.uk and CC in yourself

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[DATE of submission]

Dear Sir/Madam,

RE: SUBJECT ACCESS REQUEST

I write to make a formal Subject Access Request in respect of my personal information. I am entitled to make this request under data protection laws. The request is made in accordance with section 45 of the Data Protection Act 2018 and Article 15 of the retained EU General Data Protection Regulation 2016/679 (UK GDPR). You can identify my records using the information which is listed below.

Requester (data subject) information

(a). Full name:
(b). Address:
(c). Email address:
(d). Telephone number:
(e). PCN number:
(f). VRM:

Requested information

In accordance with my right of access under data protection law, I request the following:

(a) Copies of my personal data

I request that I am provided with full copies of all personal data relating to me which is held by CIVIL ENFORCEMENT LTD.

I would prefer to receive an electronic copy of the requested information.

(b) Purpose of the processing

Please confirm within your response the purpose (or purposes) for which my personal data was collected by [Operator name] in the first instance and the purpose (or purposes) for which is has been used by CIVIL ENFORCEMENT LTD to date.

(c) Categories of the data

Please confirm within your response which categories of my personal data have been collected by CIVIL ENFORCEMENT LTD.

(d) Sharing of the data

Please confirm within your response which recipients my personal data has or will be disclosed to. Please also confirm whether my data will be shared outside of the United Kingdom and if so, what safeguards are in place in relation to this.

(e) Storage of the data

Please confirm within your response the retention periods for the storage of my personal data. If you are unable to confirm a specific retention period, please confirm what criteria will be used to determine this.

(f) Source of the data

Please confirm within your response which sources my personal data is collected from.

(g) Details about automated decision-making

Please confirm within your response whether any automated decision-making which uses my personal data is taking place or will take place. If this is the case, I ask that you please provide me with information about the logic involved in any such process and the relevant consequences the decision-making will have upon me.

(h). Existence of my rights

Please acknowledge and confirm within your response my right to request the rectification or erasure of my personal data and the right to object to or request a restriction the processing which is taking place.

Responding to my request

The above contains all necessary information in order for you to process my request and any delay by yourselves will not absolve you from providing me with the information within one calendar month of the date above as this is being sent to you as an attachment by email.

I believe that the information which has been requested should be readily available to you.

This request should not therefore fall within the legal definition of an excessive or manifestly unfounded request and should not attract any processing fee.

I would be grateful for your assistance in processing my request within the required one month period of your receipt.

Yours faithfully,

[your full name]
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: b789 on March 24, 2025, 12:21:30 pm
Nothing to worry about. Typical of a claimant that is now panicking and realises they have nowhere to run.

Your case is very strong.Their letter is marked "Without Prejudice Save as to Costs". This protects the contents from being shown to the judge when determining liability, unless and until the court is considering the question of costs after the outcome has been decided.

Therefore, the letter cannot lawfully be used to influence the judge's decision on whether to set aside judgment or strike out the claim.

They can try to show it at the end, only if the judge reaches a point of deciding who should bear costs — but this cuts both ways. You can point to your earlier offer and their refusal to engage before the application was filed, which makes their conduct worse.

A draft consent order is not binding unless both parties sign it and it is approved by the court. If they try to submit the draft order alone, implying agreement when you haven’t consented, that would be misleading the court — potentially amounting to abuse of process or even professional misconduct if done deliberately.

CEL’s claim in their “without prejudice save as to costs” letter — that they “would have made a similar offer had you contacted us prior to lodging your application” — is plainly false. You not only contacted them in advance, but you also provided detailed legal reasoning, gave them a clear and fair deadline, offered a cooperative solution (joint application) and deferred unilateral action to allow them time to respond.

This amounts to a reasonable and constructive pre-action offer in line with both CPR 1.1 (overriding objective) and CPR 44.2 (costs discretion).

I suggest you send a Supplemental Witness Statement (SWS)ogether with two additional exhibits, your original letter to CEL offering an uncontested set aside and their electronic receipt of that letter having been sent. Additionally, you can send CEL an SAR requiring them to provide copies of every piece of data that they hold on you. It will be interesting to see if they include anything that references that electronic receipt.

You should send the SWS

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM808Q

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



SUPPLEMENTAL WITNESS STATEMENT

I, [Defendant’s Full Name], of [full address], make this supplemental statement in support of my application to set aside the default judgment entered on 15th June 2021 and to strike out the claim.

I make this statement in response to recent correspondence received from the Claimant, and to clarify the position regarding my efforts to resolve this matter prior to issuing my application.

Clarification Regarding Pre-Application Conduct

1. I have received a letter from the Claimant marked “Without Prejudice Save as to Costs”. I do not intend to rely upon the contents of that letter at this stage and understand that such correspondence is inadmissible until and unless the Court considers the issue of costs. However, I consider it necessary to clarify the factual record regarding my own pre-application conduct.

2. On 2nd November 2024, I submitted a detailed and reasoned letter to the Claimant via their online contact portal. In that letter, I proposed a joint application to set aside the default judgment and dismiss the claim, suggesting that the Claimant bear the application fee and that there be no order as to costs. A copy of that letter is attached as Exhibit XX-09.

3. I invited a response by 4 pm on 13th November 2024 and stated clearly that I would defer submitting a unilateral application until that deadline had passed. Despite this, the Claimant did not reply or acknowledge my proposal. I therefore proceeded to issue the application unilaterally, at my own expense.

4. I also attach as Exhibit XX-10 a copy of the automated receipt generated by the Claimant’s system confirming receipt of my correspondence on 2nd November 2024, under reference CELC_20241102_MB_933. The receipt stated that I would receive an acknowledgement and a substantive response within 28 days. I did not receive either.

5.  I provide this information solely to assist the Court in understanding the full background to the application and to demonstrate that I took all reasonable steps to resolve the matter cooperatively prior to engaging the Court. I reserve the right to refer to any further correspondence if and when the Court considers the issue of costs.

Relevance to Application

6. The Claimant’s failure to respond to my open and constructive approach resulted in unnecessary proceedings and expense. This is particularly significant given that I made clear the procedural errors in the Claimant’s service of the claim and the prejudice I had suffered as a result.

7. I respectfully submit that my conduct was entirely reasonable and consistent with the overriding objective. The Claimant’s failure to engage with my open offer and their subsequent conduct support the view that their behaviour has been unreasonable.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Supplemental Witness Statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM808Q

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



INDEX OF DOCUMENTS

1. Supplemental Witness Statement of [Your Full Name]

2. List of Additional Exhibits:

Exhibit XX-09: Letter from Defendant to Claimant dated 2nd November 2024
[Insert your full letter beginning “URGENT – Dear Sirs...”]

Exhibit XX-10: Submission Receipt
[Insert the screenshot receipt or the wording from it here: “Thank you for contacting us. Your reference number is CELC_20241102_MB_933 for all correspondence. Please note we will respond to your complaint within 28 days. You will also receive an email acknowledgement with this reference on. If you do not receive one shortly, please check your email junk folder and/or ensure you supplied the correct email address.”
— Civil Enforcement Ltd online contact form, 2nd November 2024]

Each exhibit should have its own header as per all these pages and the title "Exhibit XX-NN". For example:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM808Q

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



EXHIBIT XX-09

Letter from Defendant to Claimant (2nd November 2024)

This letter was submitted as a PDF attachment on the Claimants website: https://www.ce-service.co.uk/submit-a-complaint/



URGENT

Dear Sirs,

CIVIL ENFORCEMENT LIMITED (THE ‘CLAIMANT’)  V [your full name] CLAIM REFERENCE H3GM80Q8

On 24th October 2024, I received the attached letter dated 13th October 2024 from yourselves. This came as a tremendous shock as it is the first and only communication I have received from your company or any organisation representing you in relation to this claim. 

I made immediate enquiries of the CNBC from which I was able to establish that:

1. the claim relates to an alleged parking event in March 2019;
2. the claim form was sent to an old address at which I no longer reside; and
3. if I had been given the opportunity to do so, I would have successfully defended the claim.

I did not receive any pre-claim correspondence, not even a letter of claim as required by the PAP. Nor did I receive the claim form or any particulars of claim and was thus deprived of the ability to defend the claim. Your company is well aware that people move home from time to time. You also know that I did not respond to any communications sent to me at my old address.

This situation is explicitly dealt with in the Civil Procedure Rules which provide at CPR 6.9(3):

(3) Where a claimant has reason to believe that the address of the defendant ... is an address at which the defendant no longer resides or carries on business, the claimant must take reasonable steps to ascertain the address of the defendant’s current residence or place of business (‘current address’).

As your company is a member of the British Parking Association (the ‘BPA’) and is bound by the BPA’s Code of Practice which gives voice to CPR 6.9(3) in the following terms:

24.1c Before serving a Letter Before Claim and prior to the issue of proceedings, Operators must, if no responses have been received to the NtD/NtK/reminder letters, take reasonable endeavours to ensure that the contact details for the person you are writing to are correct.

If your company had taken the actions required by the Civil Procedure Rules and the Code of Practice, my current address would have been found easily, which is obviously what you did before sending your letter dated 13th October 2024. If those actions had been performed at the correct time rather than after judgment, I would not have been deprived of the ability to defend the claim.

By reason of Civil Enforcement's breach of the Civil Procedure Rules, which amounts to an abuse of the process of the Court, the claim form was never properly served and the judgment must be set aside at your expense and the claim dismissed because it is now too late for the particulars of claim to be re-served.

In view of the foregoing, I invite Civil Enforcement Ltd to join with me in an application to set aside the judgment and dismiss the claim, with Civil Enforcement Ltd paying the court fee and no order as to costs.

Please respond to the above offer as soon as possible so that, if the offer is acceptable to you, we can work together to right the wrong that Civil Enforcement has done to me.

To give you a reasonable time to take instructions and for us to agree a suite of documents for the Court, I am willing to defer making a unilateral application to set aside the judgment until 4 pm on Wednesday 13th November 2024. If a joint application has not been made by that time, I intend to instruct a solicitor to apply to the Court unilaterally for an order setting the judgment aside, striking out the particulars of claim, dismissing the claim and awarding costs against Civil Enforcement Ltd on a full indemnity basis.

Pease respond by immediate return.

Yours faithfully,

And also the receipt:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM808Q

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



EXHIBIT XX-10

Submission Receipt from Civil Enforcement Ltd

(https://i.imgur.com/BTrHHbB.jpeg)

You send the SWS and extra exhibits as a PDF attachment in a single email addressed to: enquiries.croydon.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and legal@ce-service.co.uk and you also CC in yourself.

Make sure the email subject contains the clam number and in the body write something along these lines:

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“Please find enclosed the Defendant’s Supplemental Witness Statement dated [insert date], filed in support of the set-aside application. This statement addresses new developments and provides additional evidence relating to the Claimant’s conduct and the Defendant’s pre-application correspondence.”

You should combine all the pages into a single PDF with each page numbered. When this goes to the hearing, you should prepare a single PDF document with the WS, exhibits, draft order for the set aside, SWS and additional exhibits, each page numbered. Take two hard copies of each with you. I tis not unusual for the claimants rep to feign that they haven't received all the paperwork. You can impress the judge by having available extra copies for both the court and the claimant.
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Post by: concoj on March 23, 2025, 09:46:26 pm
I received an email:

attached screenshots.

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Dear
By email only:   -
Re: CLAIM NO:   Civil Enforcement Limited v   Our ref: I
WITHOUT PREJUDICE SAVE AS TO COSTS
We refer to your application to set aside judgment which has been forwarded to us by Croydon County Court.
It is our position that your application to set aside judgment will be refused. Even if the application is granted, we will proceed with the claim against you.
However, bearing in mind this process can take time and will incur unnecessary costs for both parties, we will consent to setting aside the judgment (to remove it from your record) and to discontinue the claim against you if you agree to pay the original £100.00 parking charge plus the administration costs and fees we have incurred in trying to recover payment of the PCN, limited to £35.00, making a total of £135.00. Each party will bear its own costs of this application. We would have made a similar offer to you had you contacted us prior to lodging your application with the Court.
Please confirm in writing by 04104/2025 that you agree to accept this offer. If the offer is not accepted, we reserve the right to show this letter to the judge on the issue of who should pay the costs of your application.
You can make the payment of £135 on www.ce-service.co.uk.
Yours faithfully,
Legal Team
For and on behalf of
Civil Enforcement Limited

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Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: concoj on March 15, 2025, 09:58:15 am
As requested :

"I respectfully request that the hearing be vacated and re-listed for the next available date after my return on 5 May 2025."


Many thanks
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Post by: b789 on March 14, 2025, 04:28:41 pm
I'm assuming that that change is OK for you?
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Post by: concoj on March 14, 2025, 01:43:48 pm
Thank you so much b789

Re-listed letter arrived.

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Post by: b789 on February 26, 2025, 09:26:20 am
If you cannot get through on the phone, here is a draft of an email you should send to the court marked "urgent":

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Subject: Urgent Request to Vacate and Reschedule Hearing – Case No. [Insert Case Number]

Dear Court Manager/Listings Officer,

I am writing in respect of my upcoming set aside hearing scheduled for 23rd April 2025 in case number [Insert Case Number], where I am the Defendant.

I regret to inform the Court that I will be out of the country on this date due to pre-arranged travel and will be unable to attend. The hearing date has only recently been notified to me, despite my application being lodged in November 2024, which has resulted in this unfortunate clash.

I respectfully request that the hearing be vacated and re-listed for the next available date after my return on [insert date]. I believe it would be unjust for me to be forced to submit a formal N244 application (with an associated fee) when this situation has arisen due to the significant delay in listing the hearing, which was beyond my control.

If the Court is unable to vacate the hearing, I would be grateful if consideration could be given to me attending remotely via telephone or video link as an alternative.

I kindly request confirmation of the Court’s position at your earliest convenience, as I wish to ensure that the matter is conducted fairly without unnecessary costs or procedural hurdles.

I appreciate your time and consideration in this matter. Please let me know if any further information is required.

Yours faithfully,

[Defendant’s Full Name]
[Defendant’s Address]
[Defendant’s Contact Number]
[Defendant’s Email]
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Post by: b789 on February 26, 2025, 09:19:38 am
Call the court immediately and explain that you cannot attend due to pre-arranged travel. Politely request that the hearing be vacated and relisted for a later date.

Ask whether the court will allow an informal written request instead of a formal N244 application. Because the hearing has taken so long to be set, you can argue that it would be unjust to require an N244 application when the delay was outside your control. Some courts may allow an adjournment on judicial discretion without requiring a formal application.

Alternatively, if you will have access to a reliable internet connection while abroad, you could ask the court to attend remotely via telephone or video rather than adjourning. Some courts permit remote attendance, especially if it avoids the need for an adjournment.

I think this claim was made directly by Civil Enforcement and not through a solicitor. If Civil Enforcement agrees to an adjournment, this may make it easier for the court to grant a delay informally. You should email them asking whether they consent to the hearing being moved to a later date. If they agree, you can inform the court and request an adjournment without a formal application.

If all else fails – submit an N244 and request costs due to unfairness. If the court insists on an N244 application, you should include a request for the application cost to be reimbursed, arguing that the delay in listing the hearing was unreasonable, the hearing date was only recently communicated, you acted promptly to notify the court and the adjournment request is based on unavoidable circumstances.

If you do nothing and don't attend, and I doubt that CE will send anyone for a set aside, then the judge will be pissed off but will make a decision based solely on the papers which puts you at a big disadvantage.
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Post by: concoj on February 26, 2025, 12:34:40 am
hi b789,

it's been a while... finally got post today. Strange thing is that day on the letter is 12 February 2025 and the envelop doesn't have a stamp.

However the day of the hearing i'll be abroad

Please advise how to proceeded



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Post by: b789 on November 21, 2024, 07:08:59 pm
Here is a WS and draft order you can send with your N244 application for the set aside. Please read it carefully and either insert or correct any dates and other details, where required:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



WITNESS STATEMENT

1. I am the Defendant in this matter, and I make this witness statement in support of my application to set aside the County Court Judgment (CCJ) entered against me on 15th June 2021 in default due to defective service of the claim form. I also seek an order striking out the claim due to the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4 and other procedural irregularities.

2. I confirm that the matters set out in this witness statement are within my personal knowledge, except where indicated otherwise, and are true to the best of my knowledge and belief.

3. I was not aware of the claim made against me until I received a letter from the Claimant dated 13th October 2024, informing me that a default judgment had been obtained against me for an alleged parking contravention on 23rd March 2019. A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit XX-01.

4. On 24th October 2024, I wrote to the Claimant outlining the procedural errors in their claim and inviting them to join me in a joint application to set aside the judgment. In my letter, I explained that the claim form had been sent to an old address at which I no longer resided and that I had not received any pre-claim correspondence, claim form, or particulars of claim. A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit XX-02.

5. Despite being given a reasonable period to respond and correct their procedural failings, the Claimant failed to reply to my letter. This forced me to proceed unilaterally with this application at my own expense. The Claimant’s refusal to engage constructively or address their procedural errors amounts to unreasonable behaviour.

6. I made it clear in my letter that the Claimant’s breach of CPR 6.9(3) and the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice had deprived me of the opportunity to defend the claim. Their inaction in response to my letter has further compounded this injustice.

7. The Claimant’s failure to act reasonably or to respond to my legitimate concerns supports the assertion that their behaviour has been wholly unreasonable. As such, I respectfully request that this be considered when the court addresses the question of costs.

8. The Claim Form was not served within its four-month validity period as required by CPR 7.5. In consequence, the court had, and continues to have, no jurisdiction over the claim, which has expired and cannot now be re-served. I refer the court to the authority of Vinos v Marks & Spencer plc [2001] 3 All ER 784, attached as Exhibit XX-03, which establishes that a claim form not served within four months cannot be retrospectively validated.

9. CPR 12.3(1) states that a claimant may obtain judgment in default only if, at the date on which judgment is entered, (a) the defendant has not filed an acknowledgment of service or a defence, and (b) the relevant time for doing so has expired. Since the claim form was not validly served due to the Claimant’s failure to check for a current address (CPR 6.9(3)), the time limit for acknowledgment of service has not started and thus cannot have expired. Consequently, the default judgment was improperly entered.

10. As stated in Dubai Financial Group Llc v National Private Air Transport Services Company (National Air Services) Ltd [2016] EWCA Civ 71, attached as Exhibit XX-04, where the time for acknowledgment of service has not expired, any default judgment entered must be set aside pursuant to CPR 13.2. The judgment against me meets this criterion and must therefore be set aside as of right.

11. The inadequacy of the Particulars of Claim (PoC), attached as exhibit XX-05 further invalidates the claim. The PoC fail to comply with CPR 16.4, which requires a concise statement of facts, details of the alleged breach, and an explanation of how the amount claimed was calculated.

12. A recent persuasive appeal judgment in Civil Enforcement Limited v Chan (2023) [E7GM9W44], attached as Exhibit XX-06, would indicate the PoC fails to comply with Civil Procedure Rule 16.4 and Practice Direction Part 16. On the 15th August 2023, in the cited case, HHJ Murch held that 'the particulars of the claim as filed and served did not set out the conduct which amounted to the breach in reliance upon which the claimant would be able to bring a claim for breach of contract'. The same is true in this case and in view of the Chan judgment, the Court should strike out the claim, using its powers pursuant to CPR 3.4

13. Such deficiencies were also highlighted in the persuasive appellate decision of CPMS v Akande (2024) [K0DP5J30], attached as Exhibit XX-07, where similarly vague PoC were found to be defective and resulted in claims being struck out.

14. The overriding objective of the Civil Procedure Rules, as emphasised in VCS v Carr (CA-2024-001179), attached as Exhibit XX-08, is to deal with cases justly. In that case, the Court of Appeal underscored that CPR 13.3 is intended to avoid injustice. Even where there is a delay in applying to set aside a default judgment, the overriding objective remains paramount.

15. In VCS v Carr, the court stressed that a holistic evaluation of all the circumstances is required to deal justly with the case. The court must consider whether the defendant had any real opportunity to advance a defence. In my case, I had no opportunity to respond to the claim or defend it, as I was not served with the claim form. As stated in VCS v Carr, a defendant cannot be criticised for failing to respond to a claim form that they never received.

16. Furthermore, in VCS v Carr, the Court of Appeal highlighted that the justice of the case requires consideration of whether a claimant would be unjustly enriched by a judgment to which they were not entitled. In my case, allowing this judgment to stand would unjustly enrich the Claimant at my expense.

17. The Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4 and CPR 6.9, combined with their attempt to rely on an expired claim form, has deprived me of the opportunity to properly defend myself. As stated in VCS v Carr, the court must consider all the circumstances holistically, including the fact that I had no knowledge of the claim and no opportunity to contest it before the default judgment was entered.

18. I acted promptly upon learning of the default judgment. I became aware of the judgment on 24th October 2024 and immediately contacted the Civil National Business Centre and the Claimant to obtain further details. When the Claimant failed to respond, I prepared and filed this application.

19. I believe I have a strong defence to this claim, as follows:

a. The signage at the location of the alleged parking event was unclear and insufficient to form a valid contractual agreement.
b. The charges claimed are disproportionate and amount to an unenforceable penalty.
c. The Claimant has not demonstrated their legal right to pursue these charges or their compliance with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

20. In light of the procedural breaches, the defective service of the claim form, the inadequacy of the PoC, and the fact that the claim is now time-barred, I respectfully request that the court:

a. Set aside the default judgment under CPR 13.2 or, alternatively, CPR 13.3;
b. Strike out the claim under CPR 3.4(2) due to the Claimant’s non-compliance with CPR 16.4 and CPR 7.5;
c. Award me my costs of this application on an indemnity basis.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:

Date:

Here is the table of contents for the WS, exhibits and draft order:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT[/center]
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd


Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



TABLE OF CONTENTS

1. Witness Statement of [Your Full Name]

2. List of Exhibits:

Exhibit XX-01: Letter from the Claimant dated 13th October 2024, informing the Defendant of the default judgment.
Exhibit XX-02: Evidence of the Defendant’s address change, including [e.g., tenancy agreement, utility bills].
Exhibit XX-03: Case authority: Vinos v Marks & Spencer plc [2001] 3 All ER 784.
Exhibit XX-04: Case authority: Dubai Financial Group Llc v National Private Air Transport Services Company (National Air Services) Ltd [2016] EWCA Civ 71.
Exhibit XX-05: Particulars of Claim (PoC)
Exhibit XX-06: Case authority: Civil Enforcement Ltd v Chan [2023] E7GM9W44.
Exhibit XX-07: Case authority: CPMS v Akande [2024] K0DP5J30.
Exhibit XX-08: Case authority: VCS v Carr (CA-2024-001179).

3. Draft Order

Here is the Draft Order:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT[/center]
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DRAFT ORDER

UPON hearing the Defendant’s application to set aside the default judgment entered on [date of judgment];

AND UPON the court finding that:

1. The claim form was not validly served in accordance with CPR 6.9;

2. The Claimant failed to comply with CPR 7.5 by not serving the claim form within four months of issue;

3. The Particulars of Claim fail to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) by not providing a concise statement of facts sufficient to enable the Defendant to prepare a defence;

AND UPON the court considering the overriding objective of dealing with cases justly, as set out in CPR 1.1;

IT IS ORDERED THAT:

1. The default judgment entered against the Defendant on [date of judgment] is set aside pursuant to CPR 13.2 and/or CPR 13.3.

2. The claim is struck out pursuant to CPR 3.4(2)(a) and (c) on the grounds that:

a. The Claimant failed to comply with CPR 7.5, and the claim form has expired unserved;

b. The Particulars of Claim are defective and fail to disclose a reasonable cause of action or provide sufficient particulars in accordance with CPR 16.4.

3. The Claimant shall pay the Defendant’s costs of this application, summarily assessed in the sum of £303, pursuant to CPR 13.2 and/or CPR 13.3.

4. The costs shall be paid on an indemnity basis due to the Claimant’s unreasonable behaviour, including but not limited to:

a. Failing to take reasonable steps to serve the claim form at the Defendant’s correct address, in breach of CPR 6.9(3) and the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice;

b. Issuing a claim with inadequate Particulars of Claim, in breach of CPR 16.4(1)(a), making the claim defective;

c. Failing to serve the claim form within the four-month period required by CPR 7.5, rendering the claim expired and unservable;

d. Ignoring the Defendant’s letter dated 24th October 2024, which invited a joint application to resolve the matter reasonably and avoid unnecessary costs;

e. Forcing the Defendant to incur additional expense by proceeding unilaterally to remedy the Claimant’s procedural errors.

5. Any record of the judgment entered on 15th June 2021 shall be removed from the Register of Judgments, Orders, and Fines forthwith.

Dated:

Here are links to the various exhibits except the ones you have to provide such as your proof of when you moved and a copy of the letter you sent to CEL advising them of the reason for requesting a set aside:

Exhibit XX-01: Letter from the Claimant dated 13th October 2024, informing the Defendant of the default judgment.
Exhibit XX-02: Evidence of the Defendant’s address change, including [e.g., tenancy agreement, utility bills].
Exhibit XX-03: Case authority: Vinos v Marks & Spencer plc [2001] 3 All ER 784. (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hqpuag1gmc4kkv1lrxptr/Vinos-v-Marks-Spencer-plc-2001-3-All-ER-784.pdf?rlkey=h78c70k2dr1amjozt7uimaej4&st=81v0i5gt&dl=0)
Exhibit XX-04: Case authority: Dubai Financial Group Llc v National Private Air Transport Services Company (National Air Services) Ltd [2016] EWCA Civ 71. (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/pvqcjdt1r97m8fdw3w8c8/Dubai-FSG-v-National-Air-Services.pdf?rlkey=k1xtbc23zhuoc9k7n1yi7o2ky&st=vnt47g13&dl=0)
Exhibit XX-05: Particulars of Claim (PoC)
Exhibit XX-06: Case authority: Civil Enforcement Ltd v Chan [2023] E7GM9W44. (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nb9ypbecuurpmln00dily/CELvChan-appeal-transcript.pdf?rlkey=7mpuvpmpe45s2zbhch21om1ez&st=2akbig4d&dl=0)
Exhibit XX-07: Case authority: CPMS v Akande [2024] K0DP5J30. (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y631olc61z1slr6xfrdsk/CPM-v-AKANDE.pdf?rlkey=kltpojedcxiwarxr0sdfyjo05&st=couazzx3&dl=0)
Exhibit XX-08: Case authority: VCS v Carr (CA-2024-001179). (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ob8hw1062bdaiw8ine4u8/VCS-v-Carr.pdf?rlkey=m33wuz8wjogdz13mbisu69ziy&st=jfwhl1ea&dl=0)
Title: Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: concoj on November 21, 2024, 03:10:51 pm
Did I answer your question b789?

Please advise

Many thanks
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Post by: concoj on November 14, 2024, 06:40:19 pm
31 august 2018
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Post by: b789 on November 14, 2024, 10:14:11 am
OK. Their deadline has passed. I need time to just try and clarify a few points regarding dates.

The parking event was 23rd March 2019. You updated your V5C on 3rd May 2019. The CCJ was issued on 15th June 2021.

Do you remember or have any evidence of the actual date you moved to the new address? Do you remember ever receiving the actual PCN at your old address?

You are going to have to apply for the set aside yourself, with our assistance. It is going to cost £303 but you will be able to claim that back from the claimant, Civil Enforcement. You did give them the opportunity to make an uncontested application themselves at a cost to them of only £119.

With an event date of 23rd March 2019 and a V5C update on 3rd May 2019, it is fairly obvious that the PCN went to an old address and it is certain that the claim documents went to an old address. This will be a mandatory set aside and as it is more than 4 months since the claim was issued, it cannot be re-served.

For now, please answer the question about the date you actually moved.
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Post by: concoj on November 14, 2024, 03:46:10 am
[ 4 pm on Wednesday 13th November 2024 i]


please advise for next steps,

much appreciated
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Post by: b789 on November 02, 2024, 09:28:34 pm
OK, so the address they used was the previous address before the V5C was updated.
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Post by: concoj on November 02, 2024, 08:03:14 pm
Finally!




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Post by: concoj on November 02, 2024, 06:17:55 pm
The complaint is not going through.

I tried several times as I though was my internet

 

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Post by: concoj on November 02, 2024, 05:46:03 pm
All done as you requested.

Thank you so much for your help

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Post by: concoj on November 02, 2024, 05:05:44 pm
03/05/19

* I don’t know just trying to understand why I wasn’t aware
* I didn’t had another residence only that I wasn’t home all the time

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Post by: b789 on November 02, 2024, 02:14:46 pm
You can check the last date that the V5C was updated by checking the bottom of the inside pages for this:

(https://i.imgur.com/Q9BnGAK.jpeg)

So what was the date your V5C was last updated.

Also, are you suggesting that it is possible that the claim was sent to the correct address at the time but your partner may have withheld or concealed it from you?

Can you evidence that the you were not residing at the address the claim was sent to at that time?
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Post by: concoj on November 02, 2024, 01:43:33 pm
I will follow your instructions today.

Thank you sooo much
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Post by: concoj on November 02, 2024, 01:39:28 pm

* I had stress with my partner in the past and I wasn’t always at my new postal address.
* I don’t recall the date I updated the V5C
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Post by: b789 on November 02, 2024, 11:45:32 am
I suggest you send the following letter to Civil Enforcement Ltd:

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URGENT

Dear Sirs,

CIVIL ENFORCEMENT LIMITED (THE ‘CLAIMANT’)  V [your full name] CLAIM REFERENCE H3GM80Q8

On 24th October 2024, I received the attached letter dated 13th October 2024 from yourselves. This came as a tremendous shock as it is the first and only communication I have received from your company or any organisation representing you in relation to this claim. 

I made immediate enquiries of the CNBC from which I was able to establish that:

1. the claim relates to an alleged parking event in March 2019;
2. the claim form was sent to an old address at which I no longer reside; and
3. if I had been given the opportunity to do so, I would have successfully defended the claim.

I did not receive any pre-claim correspondence, not even a letter of claim as required by the PAP. Nor did I receive the claim form or any particulars of claim and was thus deprived of the ability to defend the claim. Your company is well aware that people move home from time to time. You also know that I did not respond to any communications sent to me at my old address.

This situation is explicitly dealt with in the Civil Procedure Rules which provide at CPR 6.9(3):

(3) Where a claimant has reason to believe that the address of the defendant ... is an address at which the defendant no longer resides or carries on business, the claimant must take reasonable steps to ascertain the address of the defendant’s current residence or place of business (‘current address’).

As your company is a member of the British Parking Association (the ‘BPA’) and is bound by the BPA’s Code of Practice which gives voice to CPR 6.9(3) in the following terms:

24.1c Before serving a Letter Before Claim and prior to the issue of proceedings, Operators must, if no responses have been received to the NtD/NtK/reminder letters, take reasonable endeavours to ensure that the contact details for the person you are writing to are correct.

If your company had taken the actions required by the Civil Procedure Rules and the Code of Practice, my current address would have been found easily, which is obviously what you did before sending your letter dated 13th October 2024. If those actions had been performed at the correct time rather than after judgment, I would not have been deprived of the ability to defend the claim.

By reason of Civil Enforcement's breach of the Civil Procedure Rules, which amounts to an abuse of the process of the Court, the claim form was never properly served and the judgment must be set aside at your expense and the claim dismissed because it is now too late for the particulars of claim to be re-served.

In view of the foregoing, I invite Civil Enforcement Ltd to join with me in an application to set aside the judgment and dismiss the claim, with Civil Enforcement Ltd paying the court fee and no order as to costs.

Please respond to the above offer as soon as possible so that, if the offer is acceptable to you, we can work together to right the wrong that Civil Enforcement has done to me.

To give you a reasonable time to take instructions and for us to agree a suite of documents for the Court, I am willing to defer making a unilateral application to set aside the judgment until 4 pm on Wednesday 13th November 2024. If a joint application has not been made by that time, I intend to instruct a solicitor to apply to the Court unilaterally for an order setting the judgment aside, striking out the particulars of claim, dismissing the claim and awarding costs against Civil Enforcement Ltd on a full indemnity basis.

Pease respond by immediate return.

Yours faithfully,

Use this link to submit the letter (plus a copy of the 13th October letter) as PDF files:

https://www.ce-service.co.uk/submit-a-complaint/

Just state in the "details" section: "Please refer to the attached urgent letter".

Let's see their response, if any, when it arrives. If they agree, do not do anything before we see their suggested draft order. It is crucial that we check it before agreeing as it would not be the first time a defendant had been bamboozled by surreptitious wording.
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Post by: b789 on November 02, 2024, 11:18:32 am
You haven't answered these crucial questions yet:

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Why do you think you never received any notice of this? When you moved, did you update your V5C for the vehicle?
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Post by: concoj on November 01, 2024, 09:49:34 pm
Thanks b789,

* Yes the admin Shana confirmed today over the phone that the judgment was made on 15th June 2021. I double checked with her as I couldn't find this date on the email she sent.

* Just find out over these days about this CCJ and also discover the information thanks Equifax that confirmed the same judgment day 15th June 2021

 
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Post by: b789 on November 01, 2024, 02:17:42 pm
Well, those PoC certainly do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). They don’t even state the cause of action.

Can you confirm that the judgment was made on 15th June 2021.

When and how did you find out about the CCJ?

This can be set aside and more likely than not be struck out at the same time, depending on your answer to the above question.
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Post by: concoj on November 01, 2024, 01:50:48 pm
Nothing to apologise though, rather thanks for your help
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Post by: DWMB2 on November 01, 2024, 01:35:51 pm
Aha, apologies, I'd not seen the bottom image thanks to an advert.
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Post by: concoj on November 01, 2024, 01:20:34 pm
Yes I guess I did. I sent pictures proof using imgur
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Post by: DWMB2 on November 01, 2024, 12:25:37 pm
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I talked to them
And what did they say? Did you ask them the questions b789 advised you to ask? Did they tell you who was acting for Civil Enforcement? Did they email you a copy of the particulars of claim?
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Post by: concoj on November 01, 2024, 12:12:06 pm
Hi

I talked to them

https://imgur.com/a/mM9NgVI


what do you think?

please advise
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Post by: b789 on October 25, 2024, 10:28:37 am
You have a CCJ. Have you not noticed? Paying CE will not remove the CCJ and it will remain on your credit record for 6 years causing until financial pain.

You need to immediately contact the CNBC and whilst on the phone find out who, if anyone was acting for CE and on what date the CCJ was filed. Also, whilst still on the phone, you need to ask them to email you the details of the Particulars of Claim (PoC).

Once you know that we can assist. If you do nothing, you are in for a world of hurt.

Why do you think you never received any notice of this? When you moved, did you update your V5C for the vehicle. This is the most common reason for not receiving notifications. Updating your drivers licence does not automatically update your Registered Keeper data. Get that done now, online and only takes a few minutes.
Title: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
Post by: concoj on October 24, 2024, 10:34:07 pm
I received a letter from an unpaid pcn I wasn't aware off as they have dent letters to an old address of mine.


https://imgur.com/a/aIi7On9

Could you please have a look for advise


many thanks.