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Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on November 25, 2025, 10:03:36 am
It’s not too late to ask for costs – especially where the court has only just made (and you’ve only just received) the strike-out order. The order is dated 24/27 October 2025 and strikes the claim out under CPR 3.4. The 7-day bit in paragraph 2 is only about any party applying to set aside/vary the order. That window has obviously long expired now.

There is no equivalent 7-day limit for you to ask for your costs. The court retains power to deal with costs after proceedings have been concluded (CPR 44.2). The usual expectation is simply that you act promptly and within a reasonable time, which you are.

So, send the email with your signed Schedule of Costs attached, and copy Moorside in. Here’s an updated version now that you have this more detailed order:

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Subject: M1MP6F3K – UKCPS Ltd v [Defendant] – Order dated 24/27 October 2025 (strike-out under CPR 3.4) – costs

Dear Sir or Madam,

I write as the Defendant in the above claim.

1. By General Form of Judgment or Order dated 24/27 October 2025, District Judge Robinson struck out the Claim pursuant to CPR 3.4, on the Court’s own motion, on the basis that the Particulars of Claim were defective under CPR 16.4 and did not identify the contractual term alleged to have been breached or the particulars of conduct amounting to any breach.

2. Paragraph 2 of the Order allows any party to apply to set aside, vary or discharge it within seven days of service. That period has now expired. I have not been served with any application by the Claimant and I understand from the Court file that no such application has been issued. I therefore proceed on the basis that the strike-out is final and the proceedings are at an end.

3. In light of the reasons given by the Court (defective pleadings and the need for the Defendant to know the factual case to answer from the outset), I submit that the Claimant has acted unreasonably in bringing and pursuing the claim in this way. I therefore seek my costs of and occasioned by the claim.

4. I attach a Schedule of Costs setting out the time I have spent as a litigant in person (claimed at £24 per hour) and my modest disbursements. I respectfully ask the Court to summarily assess those costs pursuant to:

• CPR 27.14(2)(g), on the basis of the Claimant’s unreasonable conduct; and/or
• CPR 44.2 and the Court’s general case-management powers, given that the claim has now been struck out under CPR 3.4.

5. I would be grateful if the Court could deal with this request on the papers if it considers that appropriate. If a brief witness statement exhibiting this Schedule and the relevant orders would assist, I will provide it promptly.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Defendant
[Address]
[Email]

CC: help@moorsidelegal.co.uk (Moorside Legal, for the Claimant)
Attachment: Schedule of Costs – [Your name]
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on November 24, 2025, 09:33:00 pm
The struck out claim order dated 27th October.
The postage stamp on the envelope is same.

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Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on November 24, 2025, 03:59:21 pm
Yes will do.
Thanks
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on November 22, 2025, 12:45:51 pm
You can now seek your costs for the strike-out (reasonable preparation time, postage, copying, etc.) as per CPR 44.2 and CPR 27.14(2)(g) for unreasonable conduct.

Keep the envelope showing the postmark (if there is one) and note the date you received the order — that sets the seven-day countdown for any set-aside, should the claimant try (unlikely). After that period expires without an application notice from the claimant, write to the court asking for confirmation that the strike-out is final and requesting a summary assessment of your costs.

7 days after the date of the order (add 2 days for service), send your schedule of costs as an attachment by email to the court (you will have to find their email using HMCTS Court Finder) and you CC Moorside Legal at help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and yourself as follows:

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Subject: Claim no. [XXXX] – UKCPS Ltd v [Defendant] – Order striking out claim dated [date of order] – request for costs

Dear Sir or Madam,

I write as the Defendant in the above matter.

By General Form of Judgment or Order dated [date on the order], the Court ordered that, pursuant to CPR 3.4, the Claim is struck out. The Order further provided that any party wishing to apply to set aside, vary or discharge it must do so within seven days of service.

I received the Order on [date you received it]. The seven-day period for any application has now expired on [calculated expiry date], and I have not been served with any application by the Claimant, nor have I received any indication from the Court that such an application has been filed.

In those circumstances, I understand that the strike-out stands and that the proceedings are now at an end. I respectfully invite the Court to confirm that the strike-out is final and that there are no further hearings listed.

I also seek my costs of and occasioned by the Claimant’s conduct leading to the strike-out. A Schedule of Costs is attached to this email. I submit that the Claimant’s repeated failure to plead a coherent cause of action and failure to comply with the Court’s Order of 3 October 2025 amount to unreasonable conduct. I therefore ask the Court to summarily assess my costs, pursuant to CPR 27.14(2)(g) (if and in so far as the small claims track applies) and/or CPR 44.2 and the Court’s general case management powers pre-allocation.

I would be grateful if this request could be dealt with on the papers, if the Court considers that appropriate. If the Court requires any further information from me (including a brief witness statement exhibiting relevant correspondence and orders), I will provide it promptly.

Yours faithfully,

[Your full name]
[Your address]
[Your email]
Defendant

Attachment: Schedule of Costs – Defendant

And edit/amend this schedule of costs as necessary:

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Claim no: [XXXX]

Parties: UKCPS Ltd (Claimant) v [Defendant] (Defendant)

Hearing: Claim struck out on paper by Order dated [date of strike-out order]

Track: Small claims (costs sought under CPR 27.14(2)(g)) and/or CPR 44.2

COSTS SCHEDULE

1. Litigant in Person time

The Defendant is a litigant in person and claims time costs under CPR 46.5 at the applicable litigant in person rate of £24 per hour.

1.1. Considering and responding to the original defective Particulars of Claim; preparing initial Defence focused on CPR 16.4 and PoC defects

Time: [X.X] hours
Subtotal: £[X.X × 24]

1.2. Considering the Court’s Order dated 3 October 2025 and the Claimant’s subsequent “Further Particulars of Claim” served on 20 October 2025; identifying non-compliance and PoFA/signage defects

Time: [X.X] hours
Subtotal: £[X.X × 24]

1.3. Drafting correspondence to the Court inviting the Court to give effect to the automatic strike-out and addressing the Claimant’s non-compliance and conduct

Time: [X.X] hours
Subtotal: £[X.X × 24]

1.4. Preparing this Schedule of Costs and associated administrative work

Time: [X.X] hours
Subtotal: £[X.X × 24]

Total time claimed: [Total hours] hours
Total time costs: £[Total time costs]

2. Postage, copying and incidental expenses

2.1. Printing and copying of Defence, exhibits, and correspondence

Estimated pages: [number] at [e.g. 10p] per page
Subtotal: £[ ]

2.2. Postage of documents to the Court and to the Claimant (Royal Mail)

Subtotal: £[ ]

Total disbursements: £[ ]

3. Total costs claimed

Total time costs: £[ ]
Total disbursements: £[ ]

Grand total: £[ ]

4. Basis of costs sought

The Defendant seeks these costs on the basis that the Claimant has acted unreasonably in:

4.1. Issuing a claim with defective and opaque Particulars of Claim that did not disclose a coherent cause of action.
4.2. Failing to comply with the Court’s Order dated 3 October 2025, which gave clear and final directions as to what was required and warned that non-compliance would result in a strike-out.
4.3. Necessitating the Defendant’s time and effort in highlighting the continuing non-compliance, leading to the claim being struck out under CPR 3.4.

In all the circumstances, the Defendant submits that it is just for the Court to make an order for costs in the attached sum, to be summarily assessed on the papers.

Signed: [Your name]
Date: [date]
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on November 22, 2025, 09:15:25 am
Great news. Can you please post the order so we can see the detail and the clever judges reasoning.

Which county court and judge. No need to redact public domain info.

Another Moorside Legal failure for their vexatious client. What a bunch of incompetent wannabe Legal’s.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on November 22, 2025, 08:47:07 am
Got the General form of Judgment or Order in post

IT IS ORDERRED THAT
1. Pursuant to CPR 3.4 the Claim is struck out.

2. As this order was made without a hearing any party may apply to set aside, vary or discharge it within seven days of being served with it.


shall i do anything ?

Thanks to all esp b789 for your help
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on October 25, 2025, 02:33:40 pm


You are now waiting for the case to be transferred to your local county court and you will receive notice of that by post, followed by a 'directions' from a procedural judge with deadlines and any other orders that they deem necessary.
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Hi,
 
i have received on 20.10.25 a notice of transfer of proceeding to my local county court dated 2.10.25.

" The claim has been transferred to the county court ------------ for allocation. On receipt, the file will be referred to a procedural judge who will allocate the claim to track and give case management directions. Details of the judge's decision will be sent to you in a notice of allocation."
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on October 02, 2025, 02:54:33 pm
If they haven't called back, don't worry about it. As I said, this is not part of the judicial process and has no bearing on anything going forwards.

You are now waiting for the case to be transferred to your local county court and you will receive notice of that by post, followed by a 'directions' from a procedural judge with deadlines and any other orders that they deem necessary.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on October 02, 2025, 11:40:16 am
Will they call again is it normal.
if i get i call i will ask them these questions.
Thanks
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on September 24, 2025, 11:23:08 am
If he calls back, ask him those questions and note the details. As I said, this whole process is a complete waste of everyone time in these kind of claims.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on September 23, 2025, 06:04:49 pm
Hi,

MR S called from a withheld number around 1330, small claims mediation team and did say that he works independently as a mediator.  It is not part of the judicial process and no judge is involved.

3 options
pay the full amount 255
or give a figure to pay.
or no settlement.
i did say that my offer is £0.

He did say that he will pass on the details and now its up to the courts/ judge to decide.

Sorry i did not see your advice as was not close to my pc to check before the call.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on September 23, 2025, 05:01:04 pm
For the mediation call, the only requirement is for you "attend" the call. It is not part of the judicial process and no judge is involved.

This is what I advise you to say when you receive the call from the mediator:

“Before I set out my position, please confirm from the claimant’s side:

• the full name of the person attending for them;
• their role/position at their legal representative’s firm; and
• whether they hold written authority to negotiate and settle today.

Please relay that back to me before we continue.”

After the mediator calls back...

If identified and authority confirmed:

“Thank you. I’m content to proceed on that basis. My settlement offer is £0, or I invite the claimant to discontinue with no order as to costs.”

If no/unclear authority:

“Please record that the claimant’s attendee has not confirmed settlement authority. My position remains that liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised solicitor if they choose to discontinue.”

All you need to know is the name and the position of the person acting for the claimant and report that back to us. It will be over within minutes. Complete waste of time otherwise.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on September 23, 2025, 12:10:54 pm
DO you really want to only receive documents by post? That is. one of the easiest ways to receive a judgment in default because of delays or post that goes missing. Ideally, you want to receive everything by email.

If you want to prevent their emails going to spam, then whitelist their domain (moorsidelegal.co.uk).

You received a copy of the claimants N180 DQ and you have received your own. You have been given instructions above on how to complete your own N180 DQ. Just follow that.

As for the letter, just boilerplate stuff. The claim will soon be transferred to your local court and directions will be issued.

Before that, you will receive an appointment for a telephone mediation. This is not part of the judicial process and there is no judge involved. It is a waste of time but you have to go through the motions. The mediator is not legally trained and all you have to do is offer £0 and it will be over in minutes.

If the mediator tries to suggest that your defence is lacking or anything, you complain and tell them that the claimant has a copy of the defence and you stand by it and then tell us so that a formal complaint can be lodged.

hi b789,
i got a txt message yesterday from GOVUK

 small claims mediation service: Mediation Reminder: Claim number M1MP6F3K
23.9.25 between 13:30=16:30 Please refer to your email/letter with details you must read before the appointment.

Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on August 07, 2025, 06:31:34 pm
If UKCPS are represented by Moorside, you no longer need to include them in any correspondence as their incompetent representatives, Moorside, will do any copying.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on August 07, 2025, 06:24:41 pm
Just overlay a text box for D1 and set the font to Helvetica 9pt and it will fit.

The saved document is attached to an email and addressed to both the CNBC and the claimant (or their solicitor if they're using one. Also CC it to yourself as "proof of posting".

sent the email to all 3

 dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk

 info@ukcps.net

litigationteam@moorsidelegal.co.uk

and cc into myself
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on August 07, 2025, 06:19:46 pm
Really? Just use any font that is similar that you have to Helvetica. Do you think it really matters what font you use as long as it is legible? Here are a few you can choose from. Use anying that you can make it fit.

Arial
Verdana
Geneva
Lucida
Helvetica
Neue
San Francisco
Times
Courier
Georgia
Trebuchet
MS Gill Sans
Palatino
Tahoma
Marker Felt
Roboto
Inter
Arimo
Nimbus Sans
IBM Plex Sans
Coolvetica
Univers
Acumin
Neue Haas
Grotesk
Neue Montreal
Work Sans
FF Bau
Aktiv Grotesk
Open Sans
TeX
Gyre
Heros Archivo
Gothic A1
VISIA Pro
Akzidenz Grotesk
Noirden Sans
Stag Sans
Avenir
Montserrat
Effra
Rubik Bw
Nista International

 ::)
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on August 07, 2025, 05:02:19 pm
Just overlay a text box for D1 and set the font to Helvetica 9pt and it will fit.

The saved document is attached to an email and addressed to both the CNBC and the claimant (or their solicitor if they're using one. Also CC it to yourself as "proof of posting".

done
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on August 07, 2025, 02:00:16 pm
Just overlay a text box for D1 and set the font to Helvetica 9pt and it will fit.

The saved document is attached to an email and addressed to both the CNBC and the claimant (or their solicitor if they're using one. Also CC it to yourself as "proof of posting".
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on August 07, 2025, 08:41:36 am
Can i put the paragraph as D1 in the email for it to be with the missing last few words.
i will also attach the N180 to the email and send it.

Thanks
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on August 06, 2025, 10:38:00 pm
Yes
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Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@ukcps.net and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
This will result in the case being allocated to a court local to you, in person, which is what you want.
Hi,
i am finalising this paragraph for section D1 as above, i cant seem to put the full 2 paragraphs i cant seem to put the last couple of words into the N180 b=Box D1 the only true witness to events in question.

i have tried to reduce the font but it still does not fit all into the box.
any thoughts how should i add the full 2 paragraphs.
please see the screenshot

(https://i.imgur.com/ROgllaK.jpeg)

Thanks
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on August 03, 2025, 01:57:20 am
thanks both of you.
i have filled the N180 Q and will be emailing them to both addresses and cc me into the email.

Thanks for all your help.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: jfollows on August 02, 2025, 01:21:58 pm
@ Jsfollows.

Do i have to put anything in section

B "My contact details"
i think i need to provide these,
as b789 says that i will get a call for mediation which i need to answer as advised.

Thanks
Yes.
Even if UKPCS put “TBC”.
As @b789 said, mediation is now mandatory but in these cases it’s over in a flash when you offer £0 and your offer is not accepted by the claimant.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on August 02, 2025, 01:12:59 pm
@ Jsfollows.

Do i have to put anything in section

B "My contact details"
i think i need to provide these,
as b789 says that i will get a call for mediation which i need to answer as advised.


Section E

do i have to put my details for the mediation appointment.

i think yes to E

Thanks
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on August 02, 2025, 01:01:27 pm
This will never reach the inside of a courtroom. Even if did, there is no need for extra witnesses in the court. A simple witness statement signed with a Statement of Truth (SoT) is enough,

However, if you want to bring as many witnesses as you want, then go ahead. The N180DQ is only for administrative purposes and the number in F1 is so that if the case is actually heard in court, they can make sure they provide a room big enough to accommodate everyone.

Just in case you're wondering how this would go, if it were to ever reach this stage (a rarity if following the advice given here) the have a look at this short video which will remove any misconceptions about Rumpole of the Bailey:

https://youtu.be/n93eoaxhzpU?si=N7W1gOUucoBG_csx
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on August 02, 2025, 12:55:40 pm
Yes
Quote
Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@ukcps.net and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
This will result in the case being allocated to a court local to you, in person, which is what you want.

Thanks Jfollows.

F2 is obviously " No"

my question for F3 "1"

Does it matter if i increase the number as my family were present in the car as well, can i add more numbers to the witnesses number and will it make any difference. ( personally i feel adding number wont make any difference.)

Thanks
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on August 02, 2025, 12:13:42 pm
DO you really want to only receive documents by post? That is. one of the easiest ways to receive a judgment in default because of delays or post that goes missing. Ideally, you want to receive everything by email.

If you want to prevent their emails going to spam, then whitelist their domain (moorsidelegal.co.uk).

You received a copy of the claimants N180 DQ and you have received your own. You have been given instructions above on how to complete your own N180 DQ. Just follow that.

As for the letter, just boilerplate stuff. The claim will soon be transferred to your local court and directions will be issued.

Before that, you will receive an appointment for a telephone mediation. This is not part of the judicial process and there is no judge involved. It is a waste of time but you have to go through the motions. The mediator is not legally trained and all you have to do is offer £0 and it will be over in minutes.

If the mediator tries to suggest that your defence is lacking or anything, you complain and tell them that the claimant has a copy of the defence and you stand by it and then tell us so that a formal complaint can be lodged.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on August 02, 2025, 11:12:51 am
i have also received email on 30.7.25 @ 5.18 pm from litigationteam@moorsidelegal.co.uk which went into my junk email
with 2 attachments.

 

The email reads as below.
my question to you

It states that all correspondence to be shared as pdf via email, i dont want via email, prefer paper documents in post as email goes in my junk email. Shall i email them back to say that i dont agree with paragraph " Email services" in your email and want to receive all documents via post.


Dear  XXX

Re: Our Client: UKCPS ltd
Our Ref: UKCPS/912
Claim Number: M1MP6F3K
We write in relation to the above matter.

Your Defence

We have reviewed your Defence and respond as follows:

Please provide evidence that you have paid our Client for parking services.


In view of the above, our Client is satisfied that you are liable for the full amount of the Claim, and we urge you to make payment as soon as possible.

How to pay

There is still time to make payment to avoid the need for a Court hearing. You can do so in any of the following ways: -

You can call us on 0330 828 5850 to make the relevant payment arrangements. You will need you customer reference number - 10280562; or
You can make payment via bank transfer to the following account -
Account holder name: Moorside Legal Services Limited
Bank name: Lloyds bank
Sort code: 306541
Account number: 49689760

If you choose to make payment, via bank transfer you must use the following reference as your payment reference 10280562  to ensure we can quickly allocate the payment to your matter. If you do not, we may not be able to allocate the payment to your matter
If you choose to make regular card payments to us these will be made under a Continuous Payment Authority ('CPA'). This authorises us to take the agreed amount on a regular basis. CPAs can be set up weekly, fortnightly, or monthly. If we are unable to take your payment, we will attempt to take the payment later that day. If that fails, we will reattempt the next working day.

If you wish to provide an alternative payment proposal, please contact us within 7 days of receipt of this email.

If the Claim is not settled

We hope this matter can be settled without further Court action, however if we are not able to reach a settlement, please be aware that our Client intends to proceed with the Claim.

If the Claim proceeds, the Court will ask both Parties to file and serve a Directions Questionnaire, therefore we attach a copy of our Client’s completed Directions Questionnaire and confirm the same has been filed with the Court.

Email Service

As you provided this email address when you defended the Claim, we intend to use it to serve documents on you throughout these proceedings and will do so in PDF format. We will assume you agree to this course of action unless you tell us otherwise within 7 days. In accordance with Practice Direction 6A, if there are any limitations to your agreement to accept service by such means, please let us know within 7 days.

Subject to your agreement, we will also agree to accept email service to litigationteam@moorsidelegal.co.uk.

You may wish to seek independent legal advice.

Yours sincerely

John Moody



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Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: jfollows on August 02, 2025, 11:09:14 am
Yes
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Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@ukcps.net and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
This will result in the case being allocated to a court local to you, in person, which is what you want.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on August 02, 2025, 10:29:51 am
Just ignore it. you are dealing with an utterly incompetent firm of wannabe legals.
Thanks B789.

Today I got 2 more letters
 
1) From HM courts and Tribunal services dated 28th July 2025 acknowledging to have received my defence


(https://i.imgur.com/vAcAVWP.jpeg)

2) Notice of proposed allocation to the small claims track   with a N180 directions questionnaire

(https://i.imgur.com/20aUSaV.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Y1tQIOh.jpeg)

The N 180 form has got 8 pages i am attaching page 1

the rest pages have got different sections from A to G to fill in

A Settlement / mediation.
B your contact details.
C Track.
D Suitability for determination without a hearing.
E Abou the mediation appointment.
F About the hearing.
G Other information.
 and a box for Signature.

Do I need to fill this N 180 questionnaire and if yes, how.

Thanks
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on July 29, 2025, 11:41:10 am
Just ignore it. you are dealing with an utterly incompetent firm of wannabe legals.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on July 28, 2025, 09:16:03 pm
Can you show us the letter please. Are you sure this is for the same PCN?
yes this is for the same PCN.

it says

If you have not already, you will shortly receive a county court claim form from the CNBC.

(https://i.imgur.com/E4Pa0wJ.jpeg)

Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on July 28, 2025, 06:15:31 pm
Can you show us the letter please. Are you sure this is for the same PCN?
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on July 28, 2025, 04:25:37 pm
Hi,
i have got the PDF version of the submitted form, shall i redact and post it.?

Yes please. However, did you manage to take any screenshots of the process as you were submitting the defence?

ok will do this weekend.

Surprisingly i have received another letter from Moorside legal dated 21 July 2025 about non payment of 255 and the legal proceedings have been issued. You will shortly receive a county court claim form from CNBC for the total amount of 255.

To make payment, all of our payments methods are on back of this letter.


Shall I disregard this letter as Moorside dont know that i have already replied to the CNBC.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on July 28, 2025, 01:03:39 pm
Hi,
i have got the PDF version of the submitted form, shall i redact and post it.?

Yes please. However, did you manage to take any screenshots of the process as you were submitting the defence?
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on July 28, 2025, 10:15:01 am
If you took some screenshots of the webform during your submission, can you please show them to us here. As we do not have any defence to submit ourselves and we doubt barmy use this method, it would be useful for us to see what the users has to deal with. Obviously, you should redact ay identifying personal info.

Hi,
i have got the PDF version of the submitted form, shall i redact and post it.?
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on July 26, 2025, 04:26:48 pm
If you took some screenshots of the webform during your submission, can you please show them to us here. As we do not have any defence to submit ourselves and we doubt barmy use this method, it would be useful for us to see what the users has to deal with. Obviously, you should redact ay identifying personal info.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on July 26, 2025, 11:38:38 am
You do not want to make a counterclaim.

True, as i haven't made a counterclaim
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: jfollows on July 26, 2025, 08:22:03 am
You do not want to make a counterclaim.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on July 25, 2025, 11:18:20 pm
While completing the MCOL online the page 4 of MCOL says

Do you wish to make a counterclaim?:  YES / NO

Am I ok to put  NO. to this answer.

page 6 i have ticked I am the Defendant - I believe that the facts stated in this form are true

I have just cut and paste as it was written by b789.

I have submitted the MCOL online, taken screenshots of all 7 pages and have downloaded the confirmation pdf file.

Thanks b789

Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on July 24, 2025, 11:33:15 am
Please take the screenshots of the Webform before you actually submit it.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on July 24, 2025, 12:51:16 am
Thanks b789 will do as advised.
Thanks once again for your support
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on July 22, 2025, 06:58:00 pm
OK, here is the defence that you should copy and paste, as is, into the defence text box on MCOL:

Quote
1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant
asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no
debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately
disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim
(PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made
against the Defendant such that the PoC do not adequately comply
with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the
PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause
(or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or
contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons)
why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract
(or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly
where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach
occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked
before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is
calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest,
damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the
parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is
sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant
cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant submits that courts have previously struck out
similar claims of their own initiative for failure to adequately
comply with CPR 16.4, particularly where the Particulars of
Claim failed to specify the contractual terms relied upon or
explain the alleged breach with sufficient clarity.
In comparable cases involving modest sums, judges have found
that requiring further case management steps would be
disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective.
Accordingly, strike-out was deemed appropriate. The Defendant
submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites
the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim
due to the Claimant’s failure to adequately comply with
CPR 16.4, rather than permitting an amendment. The Defendant
proposes that the following Order be made:

Draft Order:

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars
of claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the particulars of claim
do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because:
(a) they do not set out the exact wording of the clause
(or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract which
is (or are) relied on; and
(b) they do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why
the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of
contract.

AND the claimant could have complied with CPR 16.4(1)(a) had it
served separate detailed particulars of claim, as it could have
done pursuant to CPR PD 7C.5.2(2), but chose not to do so.

AND upon the claim being for a very modest sum such that the
court considers it disproportionate and not in accordance with
the overriding objective to allot to this case any further share
of the court's resources by ordering further particulars of
claim and a further defence, each followed by further referrals
to the judge for case management.

ORDER:
1. The claim is struck out.
2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or
stay this order by application on notice, which must be filed at
this Court not more than 5 days after service of this order,
failing which no such application may be made.

The formatting should remain, more or less, as you see it as it is limited to a max of 65 characters per line and is less than 122 lines.

If you can, and it would assist us greatly, take some screen shots of the defence as it appears on your screen just before and after you submit it.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on July 21, 2025, 06:26:28 pm
With an issue date of 17th July, you have until 4pm on Tuesday 5th August to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Tuesday 19th August to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Normally, we would advise not to use the MCOL to submit a defence due to some limitations with character count and formatting. However, due to recent systemic failures within the CNBC with defences submitted by email, we are changing tactics. I will know later tomorrow and certainly by Wednesday on the format and wording to use to submit your defence using the MCOL.

Please do not put anything in the defence box until I get back to you by Wednesday. Please remind me if I haven't responded with the defence which will need to be copied and pasted into the MCOL defence text box.

Thanks b789 for your help and support.
Will wait for your reply.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on July 21, 2025, 12:57:05 pm
With an issue date of 17th July, you have until 4pm on Tuesday 5th August to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Tuesday 19th August to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Normally, we would advise not to use the MCOL to submit a defence due to some limitations with character count and formatting. However, due to recent systemic failures within the CNBC with defences submitted by email, we are changing tactics. I will know later tomorrow and certainly by Wednesday on the format and wording to use to submit your defence using the MCOL.

Please do not put anything in the defence box until I get back to you by Wednesday. Please remind me if I haven't responded with the defence which will need to be copied and pasted into the MCOL defence text box.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on July 20, 2025, 10:42:11 pm
From your first post:

Received a letter addressed to me in post dated 03.10.2024, which I opened today,[23 Oct].

I asked why the delay but you didn't respond.

You've also posted that on or around 14 Jan. you have 'received' a letter from TRACE dated 31 Dec.

Now we have that on 19th July you have received a claim form dated 17 July.

But mysteriously you did not previously receive a Letter of Claim.

OP, so that I can sleep well tonight pl confirm:
Are you the registered keeper of the vehicle;
Are your DVLA details the same now as on the day of the alleged breach;
Do you actually reside at the registered RK address?
Are the addresses on the Notice to Keeper, TRACE letter and claim form the same and those registered with DVLA on the relevant date?
yes these all are correct
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: H C Andersen on July 20, 2025, 10:02:40 pm
From your first post:

Received a letter addressed to me in post dated 03.10.2024, which I opened today,[23 Oct].

I asked why the delay but you didn't respond.

You've also posted that on or around 14 Jan. you have 'received' a letter from TRACE dated 31 Dec.

Now we have that on 19th July you have received a claim form dated 17 July.

But mysteriously you did not previously receive a Letter of Claim.

OP, so that I can sleep well tonight pl confirm:
Are you the registered keeper of the vehicle;
Are your DVLA details the same now as on the day of the alleged breach;
Do you actually reside at the registered RK address?
Are the addresses on the Notice to Keeper, TRACE letter and claim form the same and those registered with DVLA on the relevant date?



Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on July 20, 2025, 09:36:22 pm
I dont remember to have received a letter or claim.

posting first page of N1SDT

(https://i.imgur.com/UR75O28.jpeg)
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: jfollows on July 20, 2025, 08:26:24 am
Post the front page of the N1SDT you received here, we need to see the words used. Obscure the password, of course, but not dates.
Did you not get a Letter of Claim prior to this?
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on July 19, 2025, 10:23:28 pm
Debt recovery company = ignore and file or use as cat litter.
They are simply on commission for any money they can extract from you. They use scary words to intimidate you into paying.
Don’t fall for it.
Only reply to a formal letter from UKCPS themselves, such as a Letter before Claim. UKCPS probably know you’re a lost cause, so they have sent the bully boys in to hope that you’ll pay up. If they pay TRACE 10% they still get £90 or more from you.
I’m not sure if I already stayed earlier on, you can safely ignore all debt collector letters. We really don’t need to know about them and you should not be concerned.

The debt collector is not a party to the contract allegedly breached by the driver. They are powerless to do anything except to try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.

Coke back if you receive a Letter of Claim or an actual N1SDT Claim Form from the CNBC.
Hello,
Today in post I have receive claim form N1SDT dated 17 July 2025 from Civil National Business Centre to pay
amount claimed = 170
court fee      = 35
legal rep fee  =50
Total amount   = 255

you have a limited time in which to reply to this claim form.

you can respond to this claim online log on to www.moneyclaim.gov.uk     you will need the claim number M1MP6F3K  and the following password xxxxxxx

There is also a STATEMENT OF TRUTH , RESPONSE PACK ADMISSION ( specified amount)..

Can some one please recommend to me what is the next step which your expert can advice..

Thanks for your support.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on January 15, 2025, 10:22:47 pm
Thanks for your reply.
Will ignore such letters from debt recovery as advised.

Thanks once again
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on January 15, 2025, 04:28:20 am
I’m not sure if I already stayed earlier on, you can safely ignore all debt collector letters. We really don’t need to know about them and you should not be concerned.

The debt collector is not a party to the contract allegedly breached by the driver. They are powerless to do anything except to try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.

Coke back if you receive a Letter of Claim or an actual N1SDT Claim Form from the CNBC.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: jfollows on January 14, 2025, 08:09:40 pm
Debt recovery company = ignore and file or use as cat litter.
They are simply on commission for any money they can extract from you. They use scary words to intimidate you into paying.
Don’t fall for it.
Only reply to a formal letter from UKCPS themselves, such as a Letter before Claim. UKCPS probably know you’re a lost cause, so they have sent the bully boys in to hope that you’ll pay up. If they pay TRACE 10% they still get £90 or more from you.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on January 14, 2025, 07:29:09 pm
Hi b789,
Further to my reply as advised by you on their online portal.
I have received a letter dated 31.12.24 from Trace Debt Recovery UK Limited
" Your case has been to TRACE Debt Recovery UK Limited because you have an outstanding matter with our client; UKCPS Limited. Our client has previously written to you requesting payment for parking charges relating to the above vehicle, however, to date the charges have not been settled.

We believe this could just be an oversight on your behalf, but our client now requires full payment of the balance due within 14 days from the date of this letter. The above balance relates to the original parking charge and subsequent Debt Recovery costs which will have been detailed in the car park and/or on the previous letters our client has sent to you."

Total payment due 170.00

Options
1 pay now
2let us help you
3 Ignore this reminder- result = face the risk of escalation through our client solicitor, further solicitor charges being added to your balance and face the risk of escalation through the courts.

I haven't received any reply from the appeal which I did submit in time on the appeals online portal.

Can someone please help me to sort this out.

Thanks

Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on October 29, 2024, 07:32:39 pm
I have replied via appeal portal online as per b789 estlier post.

Thanks
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: DWMB2 on October 26, 2024, 11:23:25 pm
You could use the very detailed reply from b789 to help you draft something.

Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on October 26, 2024, 10:21:21 pm
So, consider a few things... The Notice to Keeper (NtK) is simply an invoice for a breach of terms and conditions of a "contract" between the driver and UKCPS. The "contract" is the terms and condition signs at the location. The driver doesn't have to actually read the signs but as long as there enough signs and they adequately bring to the attention of the driver the charge for breaching those terms, the "contract" is entered into by 'conduct'. The 'conduct' being the action of actually parking there.

Now, here is the problem... If the driver is not a resident of a property at the location, the capability of the sign to form a contractual relationship depends on whether the sign makes a clear and specific offer to non-residents or prohibits their parking.

In the image you provided, the sign specifically states:

Quote
"Parking is only permitted for residents of Mak Court. No parking is permitted for any other vehicles for any length of time."

This wording is important because it suggests the following:

1. Nature of the Offer

The sign does not extend an offer to non-residents. Instead, it expressly prohibits parking by non-residents. This means that a non-resident would not be able to accept the offer because no offer is made to them in the first place.

In contract law, if there is no offer, there can be no acceptance, and therefore no contract.

2. Prohibitive Notice

The sign is a prohibitive notice, rather than an invitation to enter into a contract. Prohibitive notices are used to indicate that no permission is granted for certain actions (in this case, parking by non-residents).

In general, courts have found that prohibitive notices are not capable of forming a contract. For a contract to be formed, there must be an offer for the individual to accept. If parking is explicitly prohibited for certain individuals, they cannot be deemed to have accepted an offer that doesn't exist.

If non-residents park in violation of the prohibition, this should be a trespass issue, not a contractual issue, which would require a separate legal basis for claiming damages (typically limited to actual losses).

3. Case Law Support

In ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, the Supreme Court made it clear that a sign offering parking on certain terms could form a contract. However, that was in the context of a sign offering parking on specific conditions (e.g., time limits). In contrast, a prohibitive notice does not offer parking to non-residents; therefore, there can be no contractual relationship formed with a non-resident.

Conclusion:

• For a resident: The sign could form a contractual relationship because it offers parking to residents under certain conditions (e.g., they must park in accordance with the rules).

• For a non-resident: The sign cannot form a contract because it explicitly prohibits parking by non-residents. Since no offer is made to non-residents, there can be no acceptance, and thus no contract.

In this scenario, as a non-resident parked and then received a Parking Charge Notice (PCN), the argument is that the sign does not offer parking to them at all, and thus no contract could have been formed. Any charge would need to be pursued under trespass law rather than as a breach of contract.
Thanks b789 for raising a valid argument.
My reply would be no contravention occurred for which a PCN is issued. The driver did not form any contract to be issued a PCN for parking.
It's a matter of trespassing rather than a breach of contract.


Is there any old draft similar to this situation which I can use to reply.

Thanks for your help.

Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on October 26, 2024, 11:13:22 am
So, consider a few things... The Notice to Keeper (NtK) is simply an invoice for a breach of terms and conditions of a "contract" between the driver and UKCPS. The "contract" is the terms and condition signs at the location. The driver doesn't have to actually read the signs but as long as there enough signs and they adequately bring to the attention of the driver the charge for breaching those terms, the "contract" is entered into by 'conduct'. The 'conduct' being the action of actually parking there.

Now, here is the problem... If the driver is not a resident of a property at the location, the capability of the sign to form a contractual relationship depends on whether the sign makes a clear and specific offer to non-residents or prohibits their parking.

In the image you provided, the sign specifically states:

Quote
"Parking is only permitted for residents of Mak Court. No parking is permitted for any other vehicles for any length of time."

This wording is important because it suggests the following:

1. Nature of the Offer

The sign does not extend an offer to non-residents. Instead, it expressly prohibits parking by non-residents. This means that a non-resident would not be able to accept the offer because no offer is made to them in the first place.

In contract law, if there is no offer, there can be no acceptance, and therefore no contract.

2. Prohibitive Notice

The sign is a prohibitive notice, rather than an invitation to enter into a contract. Prohibitive notices are used to indicate that no permission is granted for certain actions (in this case, parking by non-residents).

In general, courts have found that prohibitive notices are not capable of forming a contract. For a contract to be formed, there must be an offer for the individual to accept. If parking is explicitly prohibited for certain individuals, they cannot be deemed to have accepted an offer that doesn't exist.

If non-residents park in violation of the prohibition, this should be a trespass issue, not a contractual issue, which would require a separate legal basis for claiming damages (typically limited to actual losses).

3. Case Law Support

In ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, the Supreme Court made it clear that a sign offering parking on certain terms could form a contract. However, that was in the context of a sign offering parking on specific conditions (e.g., time limits). In contrast, a prohibitive notice does not offer parking to non-residents; therefore, there can be no contractual relationship formed with a non-resident.

Conclusion:

• For a resident: The sign could form a contractual relationship because it offers parking to residents under certain conditions (e.g., they must park in accordance with the rules).

• For a non-resident: The sign cannot form a contract because it explicitly prohibits parking by non-residents. Since no offer is made to non-residents, there can be no acceptance, and thus no contract.

In this scenario, as a non-resident parked and then received a Parking Charge Notice (PCN), the argument is that the sign does not offer parking to them at all, and thus no contract could have been formed. Any charge would need to be pursued under trespass law rather than as a breach of contract.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on October 26, 2024, 10:42:15 am
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Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on October 26, 2024, 01:39:54 am
The entrance sig and the wording on the signs in the car park is important so please try ad obtain photos of them please.

Any appeal. for what it's worth, will be on beeches of the Single Code of Practice (SCoP) and no contract offered. However, you should be aware that no appeal is going to be successful. This will only be sorted if/when it goes to the ultimate dispute resolution service, the county court.
Will take pictures over weekend and upload.
Thanks
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: b789 on October 24, 2024, 02:56:21 pm
The entrance sig and the wording on the signs in the car park is important so please try ad obtain photos of them please.

Any appeal. for what it's worth, will be on beeches of the Single Code of Practice (SCoP) and no contract offered. However, you should be aware that no appeal is going to be successful. This will only be sorted if/when it goes to the ultimate dispute resolution service, the county court.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on October 24, 2024, 10:48:49 am

Received a letter addressed to me in post dated 03.10.2024, which I opened today, with a charge amount to pay £60 within 14 days, increase to £100 if not paid within 14 days.

When did you receive the PCN?
The discount is no longer available(14 days beginning on day after that on which it was presumed served/given - which was 7 Oct. therefore 14 days ended 21st).
Post doesn't take this long so what's different in this case e.g. you don't actually live at the address used(the one held by DVLA) or you've been away and it's been on the mat for a fortnight etc?

Anyway, the periods start from 7th not when you opened the PCN.

Putting the PCN to one side for a mo, the driver parked on private land for their convenience- always risky nowadays.

Yes i agree the time of 14 days has passed now.
i don't want to miss the 28 days deadline which is 31st of October.
What are my grounds for appeal, if any.

Thanks
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: H C Andersen on October 24, 2024, 09:24:27 am

Received a letter addressed to me in post dated 03.10.2024, which I opened today, with a charge amount to pay £60 within 14 days, increase to £100 if not paid within 14 days.

When did you receive the PCN?
The discount is no longer available(14 days beginning on day after that on which it was presumed served/given - which was 7 Oct. therefore 14 days ended 21st).
Post doesn't take this long so what's different in this case e.g. you don't actually live at the address used(the one held by DVLA) or you've been away and it's been on the mat for a fortnight etc?

Anyway, the periods start from 7th not when you opened the PCN.

Putting the PCN to one side for a mo, the driver parked on private land for their convenience- always risky nowadays.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on October 23, 2024, 11:34:02 pm
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Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: DWMB2 on October 23, 2024, 11:28:08 pm
The Street View you have shared is useful for understanding the layout, but we could do with seeing the content of the signage. Both the entrance signs and any inside the car park detailing the terms and conditions.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on October 23, 2024, 11:21:20 pm
can you get photos of the new entrance sign and any other sign.
The NTK appears to state no parking at anytime which suggests Forbidding so no contract to consider.
It doesn't appear to be Pofa compliant either
Thanks for your rply,
i will try to take pictures tomorrow,
The post above this has a relatively new picture of Budgens shop to one side.
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: mickR on October 23, 2024, 09:37:07 pm
can you get photos of the new entrance sign and any other sign.
The NTK appears to state no parking at anytime which suggests Forbidding so no contract to consider.
It doesn't appear to be Pofa compliant either
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on October 23, 2024, 01:52:15 pm
This is new picture of street view.

53.704885,-1.649607

https://www.instantstreetview.com/@53.704885,-1.649607,190.37h,-3.34p,0z,tqQWCyO3U9ZiJmf4N-bMMA
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on October 23, 2024, 01:48:14 pm
A couple of things it would be useful to see:
  • Photos of the signage at the site
  • Any other photos UKCPS have (the website underneath the one photo they have provided should have those)

I note mention of a blue badge, but the space parked in does not appear to be a disabled spot - anything on the signage that explains any special conditions for disabled motorists would be particularly helpful to see.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7048539,-1.6494286,3a,57.3y,222.57h,89.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBTZdlHVS8rW9KuOW_j2CmA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D0.9662398806719779%26panoid%3DBTZdlHVS8rW9KuOW_j2CmA%26yaw%3D222.57258356423165!7i13312!8i6656?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAyMC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on October 23, 2024, 01:43:02 pm
Copy of letter

https://imgbox.com/1OMdJ8zc

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Title: Re: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: DWMB2 on October 23, 2024, 01:38:26 pm
A couple of things it would be useful to see:

I note mention of a blue badge, but the space parked in does not appear to be a disabled spot - anything on the signage that explains any special conditions for disabled motorists would be particularly helpful to see.
Title: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF
Post by: boxer29 on October 23, 2024, 01:31:09 pm
To get money out of the cash machine, the driver parked the car on a private land owned by MAK court which has flats on top of a convenience shop with cash machine.
The contravention No parking is permitted at any time.
The driver hardly took no more than 5 minutes to get the cash.
The driver displayed blue  badge in the window properly.
Received a letter addressed to me in post dated 03.10.2024, which I opened today, with a charge amount to pay £60 within 14 days, increase to £100 if not paid within 14 days.
What are my grounds for appeal. I will also try to upload the original letter. I was given 28 days from the date on the letter.

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