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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: stevec on October 11, 2024, 01:58:00 pm

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: cp8759 on July 16, 2025, 01:08:23 pm

Outcome of the subsequent complaint:

I have again liaised with the Parking Services team and asked them to review the system. I am extremely sorry for the previous response and the incorrect information provided.

The notice of rejection was in fact dated 14/11/2024 meaning the 14-day period should have been place when your client attempted to make payment on 28/11/2024.

The team have confirmed that a partial refund for £65 has now been raised, this covers the additional amount that was paid. The amount will be returned to the original payment method. Please allow a maximum of 20 working days to receive the funds.

Please accept my apologies for the confusion and for the delays in this case. I appreciate your patience and trust this complaint is now resolved.

So down from £195 to £65, at least that's something.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: cp8759 on May 06, 2025, 09:00:57 pm

Quote from: Hippocrates on May 06, 2025, 08:59:54 pm

Que?

When the appeal was filed there was an outstanding charge certificate.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: Hippocrates on May 06, 2025, 08:59:54 pm

Quote from: cp8759 on May 06, 2025, 04:52:28 pm

Outcome (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kJc7Pu8v2gpq2ZeWVjSTfK1jWLUMa9kS/view), at least you didn't have to pay £195!

Que?

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: cp8759 on May 06, 2025, 04:52:28 pm

Outcome (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kJc7Pu8v2gpq2ZeWVjSTfK1jWLUMa9kS/view), at least you didn't have to pay £195!

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on January 26, 2025, 03:31:50 pm

Thank you @cp8759!
I'm extremely grateful to you and the other members (@Hippocrates, @mrmustard and @H C Andersen) who have helped me on this protracted case.
This is a fantastically generous community and I'm very glad I found it!

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: cp8759 on January 25, 2025, 07:02:53 pm

The tribunal has now listed for this a hearing, so the Charge Certificate and the Order for Recovery are both kaput.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: cp8759 on January 17, 2025, 12:07:09 am

@stevec in the circumstances you cannot file a statutory declaration saying you have not received a Notice of Rejection, because you've shown it to us so you've clearly received it.

The most sensible option at this point would be to file an out of time appeal with the tribunal, I'm going to drop you a PM in case you'd like me to represent you. Arguably you have nothing to lose at this point.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on January 16, 2025, 11:47:12 pm

Ah, I see, thanks.

I'll wait to see if @cp8759 is able to help.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: Incandescent on January 16, 2025, 11:41:28 pm

I'm not sure I can answer this one. Our administrator cp8759 is better suited to this one, I think

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on January 16, 2025, 11:29:39 pm

Thank you again @Incandescent!

I have downloaded the PE3 form but I don't see that I can claim my case falls under one of the three scenarios i.e
- I did receive the PCN
- I made representations on three occasions and they responded each time, although they did not follow through and reduce the fine to £65 as they said they would in the last rejection letter
- I have not yet appealed to the Parking/ Traffic Adjudicator as I have been waiting for a formal response to my request to reduce the charge

So I don't see how I can match my case to one of these three reasons, or am I missing something?
Am I able to claim their most recent rejection notice was not valid because they did not address my question about the reduced fine?

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: Incandescent on January 16, 2025, 11:06:05 pm

Quote from: stevec on January 16, 2025, 07:46:40 pm

Thank you @Incandescent!

How do I go about doing that? Can you please point me in the right direction?

You do it by not paying the CC. In order to collect the money the council must register the debt at the Traffic Enforcement Centre, (the "court" without court rooms or judges). Once they have done that they must serve you with an Order for Recovery. This adds £10 to the amount, being the TEC registration fee. At this stage, you can submit a Statutory Declaration using form PE3
This form will be included with the OfR, but you can download it from the TEC website: -
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-pe3-challenge-an-unpaid-penalty-charge-notice
Your case must match one of the reasons on the form.

Note that there is no possibility whatsoever of you getting a CCJ. The process was specifially written so as to avoid this way back in the 90s.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on January 16, 2025, 07:46:40 pm

Thank you @Incandescent!

How do I go about doing that? Can you please point me in the right direction?

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: Incandescent on January 16, 2025, 07:41:49 pm

Of course like a lot of councils, ever greedy for your money, they mendaciously don't tell you about the Order for Recovery stage, at which point one can submit a Witness Statement, or a Statutory Declaration, (which one depends on the legislation the PCN was served under). This stage can get the CC c and the process reverted back behind the CC stage.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on January 16, 2025, 06:58:47 pm

Hi @Hippocrates, @mrmustard, @H C Andersen,

The PCN challenge status has changed (see below), albeit subtly, since my last post.

They have removed the red banner saying "The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice Will get registered at the Court and increase to £205 very soon. Please pay £195 now" and replaced it with a blue banner saying simply "Please pay £195 now".

They have also added a red banner saying "The PCN is past the stage at which you can challenge it or make representations".

I'm not sure what to make of these changes but I'm assuming it means they are ignoring anything that I submit through the 'further evidence' option, which would explain why they have not responded to my requests to reduce the outstanding charge to £65 as promised in their letter of November 14th.

I would appreciate any advice you can give me on what to do next?

Thank you!

(https://i.imgur.com/WaRW0EG.png)

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on January 09, 2025, 06:21:20 pm

I submitted my 'additional evidence' on December 25th and have still not received any response so I suspect Lambeth have decided I was not eligible to make any further reprensentations. Highly frustrating of course as I was only asking them to honour what they had stated in their letter which was to allow me to pay the reduced rate of £65.

Assuming they are not going to correspond with me further, what are my options now?

What happens if they do progress to applying to the County Court to recover the full amount?
As you might have gathered, I have never arrived at this stage with a PCN. I have either appealed successfully at the first stage or paid the original discounted amount, so this is new territory for me.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on January 07, 2025, 01:12:49 pm

@Hippocrates, is this the one you mean?

(https://i.imgur.com/ucx52Cv.png)

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: Hippocrates on January 07, 2025, 12:59:05 pm

I mean the payment status page via the reps. page. Sorry. Challenge page.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on January 06, 2025, 10:19:06 pm

@Hippocrates, here are the payment screens I'm referring to above:

(https://i.imgur.com/VGW9DEy.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/uwgwVK2.png)

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: Hippocrates on January 06, 2025, 09:12:47 pm

Post it please.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on January 06, 2025, 03:14:46 pm

Hi @Hippocrates,

I'm not sure what you mean?

I keep checking the payment link on the Lambeth website to see if the amount changes but it is still showing £195.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: Hippocrates on January 06, 2025, 03:10:57 pm

Please keep a detailed record of all website pages re payment status.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on January 05, 2025, 01:22:41 pm

@HCAnderson,

Here is the supporting evidence form I submitted on November 28th.

(https://i.imgur.com/4jNMxFZ.png)

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: H C Andersen on January 05, 2025, 12:03:13 pm

The only suitable way I could find to contact Lambeth Council about this was to submit their letter to them as 'additional evidence', explain that I was not seeing the option to pay £65, as the letter stated I would be able to, and requested that I be informed how to pay the reduced amount.

Can we see this please?

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on January 05, 2025, 09:29:41 am

Happy New Year all!
I have an update on this PCN for you.

I took the decision at the end of November to give in and pay the reduced amount of £65 while it was still available. However, I attempted to do this on November 28, within 14 days of the date of the previous letter, but the amount I was being prompted to pay was £130.

The only suitable way I could find to contact Lambeth Council about this was to submit their letter to them as 'additional evidence', explain that I was not seeing the option to pay £65, as the letter stated I would be able to, and requested that I be informed how to pay the reduced amount.

I was away over December for a few weeks but kept checking the Lambeth PCN payment link to see if they prompted amount would drop to £65. It did not.

I returned at the end of December to find the response letter below waiting for me. Instead of addressing my question about the PCN amount, it seems to be a canned response, virtually identical to the original one they sent, rejecting my appeal.

I continued to check the PCN payment link but it has now gone up to £195.

As soon as I saw this, I re-tried the 'additional evidence' approach, again submitting their letter of November 14 which stated I had 14 days to pay the reduced amount of £65, pointing out that the amount had now been increased to £195 and asking for someone to get in contact with me to explain how to pay the reduced amount.

I do not have much faith in receiving a useful response so wanted to ask here what you suggest my next step should be?

As always, thank you for your sagely advice in advance!

(https://i.imgur.com/A82DH9M.jpeg)

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: Hippocrates on November 21, 2024, 08:21:14 pm

@mrmustard Please sort this out.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on November 21, 2024, 05:18:49 pm

I've now received the latest response from Lambeth Council.
As they did last time, they have rejected the grounds of the signage not being clear, which was to be expected.
However, they make no reference at all to the grounds of their not having the right to transfer liability.

Do I submit a third appeal and draw their attention specifically to those grounds?

(https://i.imgur.com/OxDXT1b.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vi5Gaw6.jpeg)

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: mrmustard on November 01, 2024, 05:32:23 pm

We have already considered what the representation should be and there is no need to change our mind now. Just get the representation in using the LLP name.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on November 01, 2024, 11:58:46 am

Apologies for not being clear in my last post.

It's scenario 1; the PCN was addressed to my LLC and yes, I made the representation without specifying my position and authority at the company.

So should I resubmit the same representation as before but stating I am representing the LLC in my capacity as director?

Is it still worth submitting the 'signage not clear' grounds, given they have already rejected that?
Or should I just go with the "council did not have the right to transfer liability" grounds?

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: H C Andersen on November 01, 2024, 10:23:22 am

WAIT!

However, as the PCN was sent to my limited company,....

..yes, but by who?

There are only 2 scenarios which could fit here IMO:

1. The PCN is addressed to a corporate body and you made reps in your own name without specifying your position and authority to make reps on the company's behalf, or

2. The PCN is addressed to the registered keeper (lease company) which has then forwarded to you, perhaps with a covering letter??

Which?

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: mrmustard on November 01, 2024, 06:58:42 am

Yes, only the Limited company can make a representation so do it as  Director on behalf of the company. Start by stating ' this a representation by ....Ltd' and the same as before.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on November 01, 2024, 12:37:35 am

Actually, no, the name on the PCN is my limited company and the PCN was sent first to the registered office address before it was forwarded to me at my home address. Didn't really think of that when I submitted he representation....

I'm a director of the limited company but the registered keeper is the lease company so I can't submit an representation on their behalf.
However, as the PCN was sent to my limited company, can I resubmit the representation as a director of that company? Or will that not help my argument that the PCN should not have been transferred to me?

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: mrmustard on October 31, 2024, 06:51:43 pm

Whose name is on the PCN.

Is the same name on the representations?

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on October 31, 2024, 06:32:09 pm

I received the following response today from Lambeth Council via post. As you suspected @mrmustard, they have rejected the grounds of inadequate signage.

Regarding the point of their right to transfer liability, they actually start the letter by saying they are unable to consider a representation from a third party, given I am effectively unknown to them as the registered keeper of the car will be the leasing company.

They say they have put the case on hold for 14 days to allow the registered keeper to make the representations on my behalf or make the discount payment of £65.
Given the leasing company will not do that; as far as they're concerned, liability for any parking fines are my responsibility under the leasing contract; what should my next step be?

(https://i.imgur.com/07yQ02U.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nK8iLvv.jpeg)

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on October 15, 2024, 02:58:25 pm

I made my representations yesterday evening, using both points advised by @mrmustard.
When I submitted it, a message was displayed saying "Unfortunately, we have been unable to send a copy of your challenge by email. Your challenge has been logged and will be processed by one of our officers promptly".

Not sure why they were unable to send an email but I assume I'll receive a response by post. I shall update this thread here when I do.

Thanks both to @mrmustard and @Hippocrates for your help so far!

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: Hippocrates on October 15, 2024, 02:03:48 pm

Quote from: mrmustard on October 14, 2024, 07:12:58 pm

You need to make representations now or the pcn value can increase. The council reject nearly everything, good and bad.

The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice will increase to £130.00 on Mon, 28 Oct 2024. Please pay £65.00 now.
We received your representation on Mon, 14 Oct 2024 and we will reply in due course. You do not need to make representations again.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: Hippocrates on October 15, 2024, 02:02:01 pm

The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice will increase to £130.00 on Mon, 28 Oct 2024. Please pay £65.00 now.
We received your representation on Mon, 14 Oct 2024 and we will reply in due course. You do not need to make representations again.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: mrmustard on October 14, 2024, 07:16:39 pm

It does not say that, it says 'representation'. Yes, do it

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on October 14, 2024, 07:14:52 pm

ah, I see. So I should just go ahead and submit that via the 'informal challenge' option on their website?

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: mrmustard on October 14, 2024, 07:12:58 pm

You need to make representations now or the pcn value can increase. The council reject nearly everything, good and bad.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on October 14, 2024, 07:01:02 pm

Wow, this is amazing @mrmustard, thank you!
What would your confidence levels be of an appeal on these grounds being successful?

How do I go about making those representations? Is there any point in my going through the informal challenge or will they simply reject it because it's a 'moving traffic violation'?

That being the case, do I need to wait until I have been issued a reminder then make the formal appeal?

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: mrmustard on October 14, 2024, 05:19:31 pm

I have seen the Contract Hire master Agreement. What it says includes

2.13 - Not to take the vehicle out of the UK
2.14 - To keepe the vehicle free of lien
2.15 - Not to mortgage, pledge, loan, hire or part with ....the vehicle
9.1 - The Lessor may terminate the hiring with immediate effect either by notice in writing or by taking possession of the Vehicle
11.14 - Should the Customer decide to terminate ...
13.1 - At the option of the Lessor, The Vehicle may be replaced at any time by another...
21.2 - The Customer acknowledges and agrees that it has no title to or property in the Vehicle and that no title or property will pass to the Customer.

All those things taken together mean, in my opinion, that there isn't the encessary fegree of permance to allow the transfer of liability.

I would make representations on two short grounds:

1. The signage is inadequate, one coming on the restriction signs after a bend.
2. The council did not have the right to transfer liability as I never had, nor could have, any title in the vehicle and the council don't have a copy of the lease which would have enabled them to judge if the necessary degree of permanence existed.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on October 13, 2024, 11:28:12 pm

@Hippocrates, ah, I see I did not read it closely enough and managed to miss the wording "You cannot make an informal challenge against a moving traffic or postal PCN".  As ours is a moving traffic violation, it seems we cannot make an informal challenge.

(https://i.imgur.com/Qz9VhB9.png)

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: Hippocrates on October 13, 2024, 11:16:32 pm

Sorry in Kos; but, what does the screenshot say about the price increasing?

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on October 13, 2024, 04:49:00 pm

Done, thank you!

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: mrmustard on October 13, 2024, 04:30:07 pm

Please email the full lease to mrmustard@zoho.com so I can look for an escape route

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on October 13, 2024, 04:22:58 pm

Thanks for the homework @Hippocrates  :) . I see that if I make the informal challenge within 14 days from the date of issue, I will receive a discounted rate if my challenge is unsuccessful. So I have until October 17th to do this.

@mrmustard, the car is on a business contract hire lease which I tried to attach but got an 'upload folder is full' error so could post it to imgur and embed the links here if that would help.

It is a 48 month lease, due to end on 5/02/25.
Clause 5.2 states that "The Customer agrees to indemnify the Lessor from any fines, fees, charges, invoices or penatlies resulting from motoring offences or violation of traffic or parking regulations or restrictions".
I'm guessing this is not what you would have been looking for though?

I definitely count myself among those who want to fight as I hate paying PCNs, but if it seems like there is little chance of successfully challenging one, I'd prefer to pay the discounted amount than the full amount.

Any advice you can give will be gratefully received!

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: mrmustard on October 13, 2024, 08:30:03 am

Is the car leased and if so how long for and what type of lease? In fact, a copy of the entire lease with only your name and address covered would help us find a way out. There has to be a necessary degree of permanence which may not exist in your lease.

Forget about the discount, this forum is for people who want to fight ( unless we advise against it) which entails some risk but that is the cleverly designed system.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: Hippocrates on October 12, 2024, 06:42:12 pm

On your point about not paying the PCN without first trying a representation, I thought if you appealed and were rejected, you ended up having to pay the full £130 rather than the discounted £65. Is that not the case?

NO.  Homework: go onto their website and screenshot what it says and report back please.

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on October 12, 2024, 04:12:33 pm

Got it.. thanks both of you for your replies!

Here is the front page of the PCN:

(https://i.imgur.com/n8ulZTn.jpeg)

And here is a link to the location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/kVNdkEggoFyXBhmB7

On your point about not paying the PCN without first trying a representation, I thought if you appealed and were rejected, you ended up having to pay the full £130 rather than the discounted £65. Is that not the case?

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: Hippocrates on October 12, 2024, 09:29:53 am

As per cp above: never cough up without making a representation as this is a sure way to join The Mugged Club!

Title: Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: cp8759 on October 11, 2024, 11:47:48 pm

@stevec as per the guidance here https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/ please post up the PCN you have received, it doesn't matter how similar you think it is to a previous case: for all we know there might be a printing error on your PCN that makes it invalid.

As a general rule, I can think of precisely zero scenarios where I'd advise someone to pay a moving traffic PCN without even trying a representation.

Title: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
Post by: stevec on October 11, 2024, 01:58:00 pm

Hi All,

We have just received a PCN for exactly the same contravention described in this thread (52 Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles (https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/52-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-vcertain-tyoes-of-vehicles-new-park-r/)) i.e. turning into New Park Road (D), recorded on August 26th.

@cp8759, I'm tagging you as you made the last posts to the other thread in May this year. From those, it looks like the once solid defence of Lambeth not having GLA consent is no longer valid, at least until March 2025.

If I have understood that correctly, is there any other chance of appealing this PCN or should I cough up while it's still in the discounted period?

Thanks!
Steve