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Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on August 13, 2025, 05:27:36 pm
NOD.
(https://i.ibb.co/6ctS6FCf/N279-Notice-of-Discontinuance.jpg)
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: b789 on August 13, 2025, 04:48:01 pm
It is safe to say that any claim issued by DCB Legal, at least where the claim is under £600, irrespective of the defence, only as long as anything is submitted, they will discontinue before the trial fee has to be paid.

Your case was no different and has concluded exactly as predicted. Please can you post a copy of the N279 Notice of Discontinuance for our records.
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: jfollows on August 13, 2025, 03:50:39 pm
It’s DCB Legal’s modus operandi, don’t feel singled out.

DCB Legal runs a sausage machine in which they initiate court proceedings on behalf of a parking company. This frightens many people into paying up. The alternative is that people ignore court papers, in which case DCB Legal secures a judgment in default. Anyone who actually defends and properly secures a hearing in court local to them ends up with a discontinuation. DCB Legal (or the parking company whom they will bill) won’t pay for the time and effort to attend your court.

As I say, business as usual.

Oh, and with in excess of 40,000 of these notices being issued daily, it’s a huge money making business, and a large percentage of recipients pay up, even when they don’t think they should. The cost of threatening but not taking someone to court is minor in comparison.
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on August 13, 2025, 03:36:54 pm
Hi @b789, @DWMB2, @HCAndersen

Just out of the blue, today I recieved this email:
(https://i.ibb.co/WpM3CMmZ/nexus-Discontinued.png)

Turns out their case probably appeared to have a bit too much holes in it.

Also (as my keen eye recalls you insightfully saying) it appears you were correct; - they will likely not pay the fee and discontinue the case.

Would really like to know the reason though, just for my sanity, and them/DCB chasing me up for hunderds of pounds over two years, pestering my family with numerous threatening 'legal' letters, and most importantly  - all our time and the three pages of storage taken up in this FTLA forum !

I do remember your cheeky advice that I should reply back to them saying: "I am willing to consider a resolution. I would be prepared to settle this matter in full for £0.00...". That was a nice touch :) 

Well thanks for all your help in putting this to bed now.

Much appreciated.

Best regards

Tootski.
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on April 16, 2025, 10:55:37 pm
haha b789, you are just evil !

I'll try that and have some fun with it.

keep you posted ;)
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: b789 on April 16, 2025, 04:42:10 pm
The transfer from Croydon to the RCJ is normal (in London). RCJ functions as an overflow court for outlying County Courts like Croydon. The aim is to reduce backlog and expedite listings by pooling resources in a central venue.

While the Royal Courts of Justice are typically associated with High Court and appellate matters, they do have County Court hearing rooms and are increasingly used as an administrative hub for civil work in the South East, including small claims hearings.

Considering the offer from DCB Legal arriving at the same time, you can already see their desperation. I would place a £100 bet on them discontinuing before they have to pay the trial fee.

Have bit of fun with them and send the following in response:

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Without Prejudice Save as to Costs

Dear Sir/Madam,

I acknowledge receipt of your offer dated 8 April 2025. I do not accept liability in this matter. However, in order to avoid further litigation and court time, I am willing to consider a resolution. I would be prepared to settle this matter in full for £0.00, with no admission of liability, on the basis that the claim is formally discontinued and confirmation is provided that no further action will be taken.

Alternatively, should your client wish to discontinue proceedings unilaterally, I would consider that a satisfactory conclusion.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on April 16, 2025, 03:33:06 pm
Hi @b789, @DWMB2, @H C Andersen et all....

So i received the N172, and it's a bit confusing. Although the claim was transferred to CROYDON on 22/01/2025, the N127 Notice of Trial date says it would be heard at RCJ in Strand ?

Is it normal for a mere parking case to be heard on THE central administrative location for justice in these higher courts. What happened to Croydon County Court? Is this normal?

(https://i.ibb.co/TBQJxQvq/1-redact.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PZ2Jv2mz)

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Secondly, I received this email from the claimant:

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Dear LemonTootski (name changed tto protect the innocent, :),


Re: Our Client: Cp Plus Ltd T/a Groupnexus

8 April 2025
WITHOUT PREJUDICE SAVE AS TO COSTS

We write to you in relation to the above matter.

To assist the Court in achieving its overriding objective, our Client may be prepared to settle this case. I can confirm our Client would be agreeable to £60.00 in full and final settlement of this Claim. The current outstanding balance is £286.08.
  
Should you be agreeable to this offer, please confirm the same within 7 days. Payment can be made via our website www.dcblegal.co.uk, by calling our office on 0203 838 7038 or via bank transfer: 

DCB Legal Ltd Client Account  

Sort Code: 20-24-09  
Account no: 60964441 
 


Of course, I just ignored this claimant. Is this them just bugging out?
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on March 17, 2025, 11:43:32 am
@b789 ...I nearly took your advice literally, and asked the Court for the "derails" of the order - thinking 'derail' was some legal jargon !


"... and ask them for the derails and a copy of the order with the dates. "


:D  :)
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on March 17, 2025, 12:09:46 am
Thanks for your advice. I will chase up with the court...
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: b789 on March 16, 2025, 10:48:26 pm
Once the case is transferred to your local court, the MCOL no longer has anything to do with it. You will have to make contact with the court where it has been transferred to and ask them for the derails and a copy of the order with the dates. It does seem a little unusual to have a dat set so far in advance.

You absolutely must find out when the hearing is set for and the submission deadlines and anything else that was on the order. DCB Legal will not discontinue until just before the hearing fee deadline. So, if the case set for November, eight months away, you won't know about any discontinuation until around a month before the hearing date.

Get in touch with the court and see if they'll send you a copy of the order. We need to see the whole order as there may be directions in it that will also affect sates and requirements on the claimant as well as you.
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on March 16, 2025, 10:13:56 pm
Hi

Hi @b789, @DWMB2, @H C Andersen et all ...

Hope all's good.

I received a letter last week confirming that my case had been transferred to Croydon Court and that a hearing date had been scheduled. To the best of my recollection, I believe it was set for 14 November 2025.

Apologies for seeming uncertain—I had kept the document aside, ready to scan and upload, but my little niece visited and enthusiastically did a Sunday spring clean. Unfortunately, I can’t find the letter now and suspect she may have thrown it away. However, I did read it, and I recall it mentioning a hearing date in November, probably 14 November or something.

Is there anyway to get another copy of that letter from the court? Or better still, is it documented somewhere?

My MCOL recent transactions look like this:


•   A claim was issued against you on 26/09/2024
•   Your acknowledgment of service was submitted on 13/10/2024 at 21:34:16
•   Your acknowledgment of service was received on 14/10/2024 at 08:05:12
•   Your defence was submitted on 20/10/2024 at 17:51:34
•   Your defence was received on 21/10/2024 at 08:05:35
•   DQ sent to you on 21/11/2024
•   DQ filed by claimant on 21/11/2024
•   You filed a DQ on 30/11/2024
•   Your claim was transferred to CROYDON on 22/01/2025

Also, I recall here you wrote:

“When you have been notified of the hearing date, DCB Legal will be required to pay the hearing fee no later than about a month before that date. They will not pay the hearing fee and will discontinue just before then. You should receive a copy of an N279 Notice of Discontinuation from them. "

Is this indeed the case?

I ask, because I have been getting some odd random phone calls from DCB Legal, which I have been refusing to engage with.

What is this about? And will they likely not pay the fee and discontinue the case?

Any thoughts or insights would be grateful.

Yours

LemonTootski


Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on February 11, 2025, 08:14:24 pm
No, i totally don't want to submit mine before theirs. Made that schoolboy error before !

let's wait and see...

Thanks !
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: b789 on February 11, 2025, 06:05:11 pm
No need to prepare any WS yet, or at all as this is still going according to plan. That order tells you that you will receive another notice with a hearing date and deadlines for submitting documents such as WS and any evidence.

These are the two important bits to note:

(https://i.imgur.com/JFowuP9.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tcN8tsI.jpeg)

When you have been notified of the hearing date, DCB Legal will be required to pay the hearing fee no later than about a month before that date. You still would have until 14 days before the hearing if were to ever progress that far.

They will not pay the hearing fee and will discontinue just before then. You should receive a copy of an N279 Notice of Discontinuation from them. Once we know the deadline for their payment of the hearing fee, if you have not received the N279 by that date, you can call the court the next day to verify whether they have paid or discontinued. If they don't py, the claim is automatically struck out.

In the extremely unlikely event that they do pay, then you would still have approx 2 weeks to submit a WS and you certainly don't want to submit yours before they submit theirs.

Patience!
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on February 11, 2025, 05:32:02 pm


"You are now waiting for allocation to your local county court and then there will be case management orders were, hopefully, the claim will be struck-out or further particulars ordered. You do not need to submit a WS yet and, knowing how this is likely to go, it will eventually be discontinued before they have to pay the £27 trial fee.

Patience."


Hi @b789, @DWMB2, @H C Andersen et all ...

So I have now received this Notice of Allocation:

(https://i.ibb.co/R494mf7P/Notifce-of-Alloc-Redacted.jpg)

I guess I need to prepare a WS. Would you have any kind words of advice?
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: b789 on January 17, 2025, 05:10:22 pm
Where did you get the "65,430 tickets issued this year" information from? Do you mean that 65,430  claims actually ended up in court?

The private parking companies issue well over 40,000 PCNs a day!!! I can guarantee that the number of claims issued for unpaid PCNs amounts to many hundreds of thousands a year. Sadly, the vast majority of those end up as default CCJs.

What we handle here is barely the tip of the iceberg.

The link you provided is a very old one. The mediation service has been massively enlarged because mediation has become mandatory for all claims since 22nd May 2024.

Thankfully, it is only mandatory to "attend" the call, not to engage.

If your mediator offered an opinion on your defence or the outcome, you should file a complaint against them.
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on January 17, 2025, 04:55:21 pm
It's funny you should say that, b789.

When the mediator called and asked if I'd attended an SCMS mediation before, I played dumb.
The mediator tried to throw some intimidating phrases at me, like, "The legal team is NOT likely to drop these cases, and you will end up in court."

Then came the soft persuasion tactic, gently encouraging me to reach an offer.

I quickly shot this to pieces though, pointing out that of the 65,430 tickets issued this year, only 381 ended up in court—and most of those cases were struck out.

She stayed respectfully quiet after that, clearly realising I knew my sh*t.

So, it seems the SCMS service might not be as impartial as it claims to be.

As an aside, if you haven't done so already, you should read this:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5870795/parking-ticket-now-at-mediation-stage

It's soooo funny and clearly put !  ::)
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: b789 on January 17, 2025, 04:03:20 pm
No, you've not missed anything out. The mediation call is a waste of time but it is now mandatory to attend it. You only had to offer £0 and it is usually over in minutes.

It is not part of the judicial process and no judge or solicitors were involved. The mediator is not legally trained and should not offer an opinion on what the merits or otherwise of your defence is. Did the mediator offer an opinion? If they did, what was it?

You are now waiting for allocation to your local county court and then there will be case management orders were, hopefully, the claim will be struck-out or further particulars ordered. You do not need to submit a WS yet and, knowing how this is likely to go, it will eventually be discontinued before they have to pay the £27 trial fee.

Patience.
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on January 17, 2025, 02:11:21 pm
Hi @b789, @DWMB2, @H C Andersen et all ...

Just to bump this.
(https://i.ibb.co/YD0ybR6/Moto-Reading-CXP-Redacted.jpg)

Basically, I refused all correspondence with the Claimant, (DCB Legal) but filed the Acknowledgement of Service, and eventually posted my defence on MCOL:

IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: XXXXXX

BETWEEN:

Cp Plus Ltd T/a Groupnexus
Claimant

- and -

Mr XXXX XXXXX
Defendant


DEFENCE


1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC states that the Claimant is suing the defendant as the driver or the keeper. The claimant obviously knows whether the defendant is being sued as the driver or the keeper and should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action.

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which he/she/it faces and can then respond properly to the claim.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:
 
Date:  20 October 2024


Things have moved on from then. Today, I had a telephone Mediation, where I re-iterated:
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The Defendant argues that the Claimant's Particulars of Claim lack sufficient detail and fail to comply with legal requirements (CPR 16.4). The PoC does not provide enough information about the alleged contract, the specific breaches, or the breakdown of the claim. This makes it impossible for the Defendant to respond properly. The Defendant has included a suggested order from another case to clarify the issues and allow a proper defence.

To this end, to reach a mutually agreeable resolution or settlement, and save both time and costs, I propose the dismissal of the claim.
So this is going to a county court. My N180 directions have been filed, and i look forward to preparing a WS and a hearing in my local court in the future.

I'm just wondering in case I've missed anything out.
Is this the right thing to do? Any tips?
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on November 25, 2024, 01:32:33 pm
Thank you.
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: DWMB2 on November 25, 2024, 01:27:28 pm
I don't think you can edit your thread title so long after first posting (there's a time limit to prevent misuse), so I've updated it for you.
Title: Re: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on November 25, 2024, 01:14:40 pm
Gosh,I  see now.

I clearly looked at the top address assuming where the contravention happened,  not the particulars of the claim. But i do now see it is Moto West. So confusing, but sorry. (Wonder if there's possibility to change the Subject Title.)

Okay, considering it's at Moto West Reading, I've put my generic claim and N180 in and we'll take it from there.

Will keep you posted, thanks.
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: b789 on November 25, 2024, 11:19:46 am
Your thread title says "Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice".

The claim says that the alleged contravention was at "MOTO Reading West".

Did you read the claimants address as the location of the supposed parking event? CP Plus is based in Reading.

It won't make any difference to the claim or the defence submitted, so nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on November 25, 2024, 10:15:40 am
Hi

Indeed, that blurb was in D1 of the N180, of which, the entire N180 form sent to the CNBC court, with dcb legal copied in.

The only reason why i think it was a car park in Hampstead was because of the Claim details:
(https://i.ibb.co/ynhnTgr/1-Redacted.jpg)

But you've got me worried  now in case I'm getting something mixed up. Can you clarify where you get the information regarding Reading, This might be a new track of thinking.

(Do feel free to DM me, as this i don't want to clog up./side track this thread which should be linearly about this PCN, the rejection of contravention, and the outcome).

Best
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: b789 on November 25, 2024, 07:47:02 am
No. The claim is regarding an alleged parking event at MOTO Reading West. However, that is irrelevant at this stage. The generic defence has been submitted is order to force the claimant to provide further PoC and for the defendant to plead a full defence should the claimant comply with the draft order.

As this is a DCB Legal issued claim, I fully expect that they will discontinue as long as the claim is defended at all, or it will be struck out at allocation.

In the unlikely event that this ever goes beyond that stage, the OP can review why they believe that this is to do with Hampstead Heath and not a motorway service station.

Please clarify that the response you provided above was the contents of the reason for requesting a hearing in person box in question D1 on your N180 DQ form and not submitted separately as an email to the CNBC.
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on November 25, 2024, 02:55:04 am
Hi @b789.

Thanks for your advice.

I've submitted the N180 as follows with request that a hearing should take place in court:

TO CNBC: dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk
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Dear Sir/Madame

I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.

Given that the Claimant appears to be a firm that routinely submits cut-and-paste parking case paperwork as its modus operandi, having this case heard solely on paper would seem inappropriate; giving the Claimant an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.

Oh H.C Anderson,. sorry if there's confusion. This case is concerning an alleged parking the car Park of Hampstead Heath, of which I received absolutely no notification (PCN) and no recollection of any time or date this apparently happened. Only just received a court notice out of the blue. Didn't even have any means/opportunity to make a rep against the parking company.  Apparently this practice happens a lot with this private car parking firm.
[/quote]
Not sure what you mean by Moto West. Could you clarify?
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: H C Andersen on November 21, 2024, 01:57:58 pm
OP, sorry to hark back, but the elephant hasn't left the room.

Your thread title is: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice, whereas the claim itself refers to a completely different location and presumably time i.e.MOTO READING WEST

A simple statement that the thread title was wrong would suffice, but if more's involved and gets to court (which I accept is only a possibility) where would you stand?
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: b789 on November 20, 2024, 02:01:42 pm
All perfectly normal and as expected. They won't discontinue until they are required to pay the trial fee, about a month or less before the hearing. In the meantime, you go through the motions.

Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-n180-directions-questionnaire-small-claims-track

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

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The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".
To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".
C1: "YES"
D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question."
F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option
F3: "1".

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on November 20, 2024, 01:43:31 pm
Hi all

I received this email response on Mon 18/11/2024 10:10

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Good morning

Having reviewed the content of your defence, we write to inform you that our client intends to proceed with the claim. In due course, the Court will direct both parties to each file a directions questionnaire. In preparation for that, please find attached a copy of the Claimant's, which we confirm has been filed with the Court.
 
Without Prejudice to the above, in order to assist the Court in achieving its overriding objective, our client may be prepared to settle this case - in the event you wish to discuss settlement, please call us on 0203 434 0433 within 7 days and make immediate reference to this correspondence.
 
If you have provided an email address within your Defence, we intend to use it for service of documents (usually in PDF format) hereon in pursuant to PD 6A (4.1)(2)(c). Please advise whether there are any limitations to this (for example, the format in which documents are to be sent and the maximum size of attachments that may be received). Unless you advise otherwise, we will assume not.

Kind Regards, 
DCB Legal Ltd 

I've also received a court N180 small claims form. Quite disappointing but understandable they would want to defend their position. But noting back to the points made earlier in this thread:

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...I would say, with this case involving DCB Legal, there's a pattern of behaviour established that would suggest that submitting this defence (and indeed frankly any defence) will lead to the case being discontinued.

and

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The defence provided has been drafted by a long, still serving, District Judge who sees and determines these kinds of claims from serial and bulk litigators every day. I'd take their advice about what is the best defence to use in these circumstances any day. Not a single one has even reached a hearing to date.
I'm just wondering what action I should take further ?


Best
Lemon


@b789
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on October 29, 2024, 10:44:52 pm
Thanks b789,

Interesting as always. Will keep you and this sub posted ...
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: H C Andersen on October 21, 2024, 11:35:17 am
Fine. As long as an OP knows that this has nothing to do with the alleged breach itself nor does it fall within the scope of PoFA.
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: b789 on October 21, 2024, 10:49:11 am
The defence provided has been drafted by a long, still serving, District Judge who sees and determines these kinds of claims from serial and bulk litigators every day. I'd take their advice about what is the best defence to use in these circumstances any day. Not a single one has even reached a hearing to date.
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: DWMB2 on October 21, 2024, 08:38:42 am
Quote
OP , if you're happy to play procedural games which you don't understand and with questionable prospects
There are legitimate concerns that can and have been raised about the potential risks involved with the suggested defence (one of which being that if the judge were to decide the PoC are fine, then the 'defence' doesn't really set out any other grounds of defence).

If you have similar concerns you are perfectly entitled to set them out.

As a counterpoint to the 'questionable prospects' I would say, with this case involving DCB Legal, there's a pattern of behaviour established that would suggest that submitting this defence (and indeed frankly any defence) will lead to the case being discontinued.
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: H C Andersen on October 21, 2024, 08:26:30 am
A SAR could take 30 days or more to arrive and will not help you, certainly at this stage, if at all.

OP , if you're happy to play procedural games which you don't understand and with questionable prospects, then carry on. But if you'd rather find out what the hell the claim is all about- for all you know there might have been a numberplate misread and you have no liability- then I suggest you follow more mainstream actions.

Whether a SAR gets a response next week or in 28 days matters not IMO, unless you actually know what the hell this is about then you'll be blundering around in the dark.
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: b789 on October 21, 2024, 12:53:29 am
You don’t want to touch the defence box on MCOL. It is has a character limitation and does not allow any formatting. You only use MCOL from now on to check the history until the claim is transferred to your local court.

Now that the claim has been filed, you could request a SAR but it doesn’t matter at this stage. If you are unable to plead a defence based on the PoC, then the claim should be struck out for failing to comply with CPR 16.4.

The defence submitted is based on that fact. Even if the claimant later tries to argue that you should have known anyway because they sent you a PCN is irrelevant. The rules say that the PoC must provide enough relevant information for you to be able to plead a defence.

The draft order will force the claimant to either send further, detailed, particulars of claim  or they will discontinue. The claimant are serial litigators and are using a bulk litigation solicitor. They have no excuse for not complying with CPR 16.4. There is good, persuasive case law to back that up.

A SAR could take 30 days or more to arrive and will not help you, certainly at this stage, if at all.
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: H C Andersen on October 20, 2024, 06:55:13 pm
??? Parking Charge is to your vehicle at MOTO READING WEST.

I think your instincts re SAR were correct because you clearly have no idea what this is about and the only way to address this IMO is to find out.

Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on October 20, 2024, 06:38:18 pm
Thanks b789,

I have now emailed claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk  with the two pdf'd documentation as you requested.

I have received the response:

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ClaimResponses.CNBC<ClaimResponses.CNBC@justice.gov.uk>
​Thank you for emailing the Claim Responses Team in the Civil National Business Centre. Please expect a response to your enquiry in 10 days.

I await to hear from them within 10 days.

Just for my own learning. Emailing the defence and draft order of defence, is the same as filling out the box in the MCOL government website, right?

Now that I've emailed them directly, I do not need to complete the MCOL form as well?

Best

Lemon
 

 
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: b789 on October 18, 2024, 02:52:18 pm
Apologies for the delay and than you for reminding me. Here is the defence and below it a link to the Draft Order that goes with it:

Quote
IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

[Claimant's Full Name]


Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE


1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has
breached the contract (or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC states that the Claimant is suing the defendant as the driver or the keeper. The claimant obviously knows whether the defendant is being sued as the driver or the keeper and should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action.

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which he/she/it faces and can then respond properly to the claim.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/z8zcqfdncdoajgj4ag6a4/short-defence-order.pdf?rlkey=at98xmfwj0ehi3w9d0ia15ogp&st=gley9wen&dl=0)

You only need to edit the claimant name, your name and the claim number o the defence and then sign it by simply typing your full name for the signature and dating it. There is nothing to edit in the Draft Order.

Both documents must be attached to an email as PDF files. The email is sent to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The email subject must contain the claim number. In the body of the email simply state that attached is the defence and draft order in the matter of [claimant] v [your name] Claim No.:[claim number].

You must get an autoresponse from the CNBC.

Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on October 18, 2024, 01:25:04 pm
Hi There b789,

I hope all is good.

Just touching base with this to see if there's any wording or info you can give for me to put in a defenc against this claim.

Any timely info would be most welcome.
Thanks in advance

Best

tootski.
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: b789 on October 13, 2024, 11:48:56 pm
No SAR. I will get a defence for you tomorrow.

The Particulars of Claim have to satisfy CPR 16.4. They don’t which is why you have no idea what the claim is all about.
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on October 13, 2024, 10:38:37 pm
Hi B789.

Thanks For your info. I would have had no idea about this AOS, and probably would have made my situation worse by trying to fill out/fudge details erroneously.

Anyway. I have now submitted an Acknowledgment of Service.

Still i have no idea of how this claim against be came to be, nor received any tickets. Should I instigate a Subject Access Request?

Please feel free to advise what the next step is.
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: b789 on October 12, 2024, 12:34:42 am
Please, we only need to see the N1SDT Claim form. All the other forms can go in the bin. Please delete all the other images of the forms.

With an issue date of 26th September, you have until Tuesday 15th October to submit your Acknowledgement of Service (AoS). To submit your AoS, follow the advice in this PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

There is no advantage to delaying the AoS. Once the AoS has been submitted, you then have until 4pm on Tuesday 29th October to file your defence.

Let us know when you’ve submitted your AoS and we’ll provide a suitable defence and draft order that will be submitted as PDF attachments in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk.
Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on October 11, 2024, 10:56:08 pm
Hi,

Thanks for responding.

Can you advise more detail about filling out the MCOL online form?

What do I put in 'Defendant Details'
What do I put in 'Submit Claim / Claim Particulars'

Am I submitting a claim?

Sorry, just a bit lost here and don't want to shoot myself in the foot by putting anything I should'nt...

Title: Re: Hampstead Heath Car Park - Did Not Receive Penalty Notice
Post by: DWMB2 on October 09, 2024, 09:18:26 am
The first thing you need to do is acknowledge service, online on the MCOL system. Leave the defence box completely blank when you do this, the defence will be sent by email at a later date.

You need to acknowledge service urgently.
Title: Reading Moto West - Did Not Receive Notice
Post by: LemonTootski on October 09, 2024, 09:06:43 am
I hope you're well.

I've been extremely busy with a PhD project and traveling a lot, so I was surprised to find this notice in the mail. I vaguely recall parking or briefly driving through the Hampstead car park with my family one afternoon, but I was completely unaware of any Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) being issued at the time.

Upon opening the letter, I was shocked and quite stressed to see this unexpected notice.

I would like to contest the charge through the moneyclaim.gov website, and I believe I still have a few days left to do so. I’m seeking any advice you may have on how best to represent myself in this situation.

Additionally, I have no details regarding the case and was wondering if I can submit a Subject Access Request to obtain more information. If so, who should I address this to?

Now by searching through this thread, I also came across another post where someone parked in Hampstead Heath Car Park and did not receive a charge notice:
https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/parking-ticket-didn't-arrive-in-the-post-hampstead-heath-car-park/msg39305/#msg39305

I wouldn't want to cannibalise that thread, so starting my own thread here.

Any guidance or support you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your help:
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