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Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: DWMB2 on October 23, 2025, 04:14:37 pm
It would be much better in the long run if you can arrange to borrow the full amount and pay that off in instalments rather than paying the CCJ itself in instalments.
Just a general comment for NBSCMN's benefit - we are not a financial advice website and if you are considering borrowing money or seeking other such debt advice you may wish to consult a suitable specialist, such as a debt advice charity.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on October 23, 2025, 03:52:30 pm
Unless the CCJ is paid in full within 30 days, it will be registered as "satisfied" but will remain on your credit file for 6 years. If you want a clear credit record, it has to be paid in full, in which case there is nothing on your credit record. It is completely expunged from the record.

Whilst a "satisfied" CCJ is much better than one that reminds unpaid, it is still likely to cause you issue for the next 6 years with some firms treating it almost the same as having an unsatisfied one. It can also lead to higher credit fees and insurance premiums etc.

If you can manage to pay the whole CCJ, it is going to be much better for you in the long run. It would be much better in the long run if you can arrange to borrow the full amount and pay that off in instalments rather than paying the CCJ itself in instalments.

The only thing I'll give that shitty judge credit for, is that she didn't allow the fake £60-£70 debt recovery fee that was also claimed.

As I said, I have a family member who is a long serving district judge and I showed him this case and the decision reached. He agreed that the decision is not one he would have reached and was surprised at some of the reasoning given, based on your report of what happened.

You make the payment through Moorside Legal as they are the claimants legal representative.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on October 23, 2025, 11:17:56 am
Thank you. It's quite unfortunate that NCP can have legal representation that does not bother to come to the hearing and yet still win the case.

With the payment, i've attached the letter. I want to double check this will still register a CCJ to my name, just as I am universal credit so I would rather pay monthly if possible but I definitely dont want a CCJ for 6 years

If i were to pay upfront, I would need to contact moorside to get bank information? as there is nothing on the letter.

https://ibb.co/9kbtbt4g

thanks
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on October 08, 2025, 11:48:50 pm
I’m really sorry this went the way it did. Losing on the day is bruising, especially when you’re there alone and the claimant can’t be bothered to turn up.

This judge bingo… you had a shitty judge.

Because judgment has been entered, you now have two distinct paths. If you pay the full judgment sum within one calendar month of the judgment date (deadline 8 November 2025), no County Court Judgment will be registered on your credit file. If you do not clear the full balance within that month and instead pay by instalments, the CCJ will be registered and remain for six years, later marked “satisfied” only once the full sum is paid.

If preserving your credit file is important, pay the entire £280 by 8 November 2025 to the payee stated on the order (normally the claimant’s solicitors or the claimant directly). Use a traceable method (bank transfer with reference, or card payment) and retain proof.

After paying in full within the month, check the public Register of Judgments after approximately 2 to 4 weeks. If the CCJ appears despite full payment within one month, contact the Registry Trust to have it removed and write to the court with evidence of timely payment asking them to notify the Registry that the judgment was paid within the statutory one-month period.

The deadline to file an appeal is 21 days from judgment. Your time limit therefore expires on 29 October 2025.

To appeal, file an appellant’s notice (form N164) at the hearing centre that made the decision, serve it on the respondent, pay the appeal fee or apply for help with fees, and include a draft of your grounds of appeal and the sealed order.

You will also need either the judge’s permission (which you can ask for in N164) or permission from the appeal court. Appeals are not a rehearing of the facts; you must show an error of law, a wrong exercise of discretion, or serious procedural unfairness that materially affected the outcome.

From what you recorded: the judge’s approach to treating thin particulars as cured by the witness statement, her assessment that signage was legible enough, her view that non-attendance could be overlooked, and her factual findings on driver identity and time on site are all case-management and fact assessments squarely within a trial judge’s discretion, especially a shitty one. County Court authorities such as CEL v Chan and CPMS v Akande are persuasive, not binding. Absent a prior strike-out application under CPR 3.4 or a timely application under CPR 24, an appeal on those points has low prospects unfortunately.

I asked a family member today about this decision and showed him the WS and evidence. He said he would have come to a completely different conclusion.

You can still complain to the SRA about any concerns you hold, but that will not set aside or vary today’s order.

I am as surprised and disappointed as you with this judges decision. But as I said, it is judge bingo. You can a name the judge so that we can be aware of her decision and track her for other case if they crop up.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on October 08, 2025, 06:05:15 pm
❌ LOST HEARING REPORT: - October 8th, 2025

Outcome: Judgment for the Claimant (NCP). Ordered to pay £280 over 12 months.
Claimant Attendance: No one from NCP or Moorside Legal attended the hearing.

Summary of the Hearing

1. Claimant Non-Attendance & Initial Comments:

2. Procedural & CPR Arguments (Defense Main Focus):

3. Solicitor Misconduct & Regulatory Arguments:

4. Factual Arguments (Parking):

5. Conclusion:


I feel quite defeated to be honest. I didn't have a great understanding of my case and the judge was asking difficult questions which I couldn't answer. Law is not my speciality and I believe this made me lose the case.

This has put me off any appealing any other fines I may get to be honest as from the information I was given it seemed that this case was very easily won, but the outcome was very different.

:(
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on October 07, 2025, 12:24:00 pm
Keep those notes handy. You address a district judge as "Judge". No "your Honour" or anything else.

Rooting for you!
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on October 07, 2025, 11:43:25 am
Thank you ive done all that. Can you please see if this plan below is good for tomorrow?

SMALL CLAIMS HEARING PLAN (NCP PCN) DATE: OCTOBER 8TH

1. Opening Statement

"Your Honor, I maintain this claim is fundamentally flawed and discloses no reasonable cause of action due to the Claimant's failure to comply with the Civil Procedure Rules and issues of solicitor misconduct."

2. Core Legal Defence: CPR Non-Compliance (Priority 1)


3. Improper Conduct & Regulatory Issues (Priority 2)


4. Conclusion and Request

Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on October 07, 2025, 11:23:06 am
Send this to the COLP (Tom Clough), cc Safina Zubair and yourself:

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Subject: Urgent clarification – Mr Ibrar Ahmad named on N1SDT claim form

Dear Mr Clough,

Further to Ms Zubair’s email of [date], I must raise a serious concern regarding Mr Ibrar Ahmad, whose name appears on the N1SDT claim form issued in this matter.

A search of the SRA Register confirms that Mr Ahmad is currently shown as a solicitor employed by Osbourne Pinner Ltd, not by Moorside Legal Services Ltd.

Please confirm, by return:
1. Whether Mr Ahmad was employed by Moorside Legal at the time the claim was issued; if so, specify the relevant dates.
2. If he was not, explain on what authority his name appears as the issuing solicitor for a Moorside Legal claim.
3. Whether the SRA has been notified of any secondment, dual employment, or change of practising arrangement permitting him to act for Moorside.
4. Whether you, as COLP, accept responsibility for the issue of this claim in his name.

Given the potential breach of the Legal Services Act 2007 and SRA Principles (honesty, transparency, and proper supervision), I will update the SRA report to include this matter. Please respond within 48 hours.

Yours faithfully,

[Your full name]
[Your address]

You can also send the following follow up to the SRA about your complaint:

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Further to my report of [date] concerning Moorside Legal Services Ltd, I now note that the claim form (N1SDT) in the same proceedings was issued under the name of Ibrar Ahmad, shown on the SRA register as a solicitor employed by Osbourne Pinner Ltd, not Moorside Legal.

Please add this to my existing complaint and confirm whether the SRA has on record any approved dual-employment or secondment arrangement allowing Mr Ahmad to conduct litigation for Moorside Legal.

You also follow up with this email to the court for the file to Enquiries.kingston.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and you CC help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and yourself:

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Subject: M8MP864A – Conduct of litigation issue; SRA referral; request to note and reserve costs

Dear Sir/Madam,

I have since discovered that the solicitor named on the Claim Form, Mr Ibrar Ahmad, is currently registered with the SRA as employed by Osbourne Pinner Ltd, not Moorside Legal Services Ltd. I have sought urgent clarification from Moorside and notified the SRA accordingly.

Yours faithfully,

[Your full name]

[Your address]
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on October 07, 2025, 10:48:57 am
I can only see Ibrar Ahmad on that form. no one else
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on October 07, 2025, 10:45:29 am
Ah... what is the name of the person who signed the N1SDT Claim Form with the PoC?
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on October 07, 2025, 09:11:09 am
Thank you.
I have also now just now received an email for Moorside



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Thank you for your email.

We acknowledge your concerns and note that you have submitted a report to the SRA. We now respond to your queries as follows:

        1. Tom Clough, a solicitor qualified to conduct litigation in England and Wales, has conduct of this matter.

        2. The cover letter was drafted and sent by Safina Zubair, a paralegal assisting with the matter. All litigation decisions have been made by Tom Clough, as noted above.

        3. We confirm that all reserved legal activities have been carried out by an authorised person.

We trust this addresses your queries. Should you require any further clarification, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Kind regards

Safina
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on October 06, 2025, 10:23:35 am
Watch this short video that explains the process for a typical hearing:

https://youtu.be/n93eoaxhzpU?feature=shared

Make sure you get there at least half an hour early to get through security. Let the usher know you have arrived. If anyone for the claimant approaches you and wants to discuss anything before the hearing, politely decline and tell them that you will leave it up to the judge. Although, I seriously doubt anyone will show up for this from the claimants side.

Take extra paper copies of your WS and anything else you sent to the court, as there is sometimes an attempt to ambush you by the claimants representative to say they never received a copy of anything. You can then simply hand over a prepared copy to them and the judge, there and then.

Make yourself a single page list of bullet points you should remember to talk about. Make it large typeface so you can easily read it. Remember to ask for your costs if you are successful and in the remote chance you are not, ask that you be relieved from the claimants costs because of the Mazur unreasonable behaviour where the claimants witness has admitted to conducting litigation without authorisation. You can mention that you have asked the claimants representative for clarification on who has been conducting the litigation and have not received any response, further exacerbating their misconduct.

Treat is as a valuable life learning experience. Please report back whatever the outcome. Try and remember as much about is and give us a report as it is valuable feedback for us.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on October 05, 2025, 03:36:58 pm
SRA form was sent on 30/9

No emails received from any party yet. Can anyone give me guidance on what I need to do for my hearing this Wednesday please

Thank you

Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on September 29, 2025, 12:53:15 pm
Thank you for this. I have done all but completed the SRA form, I need to confirm the dates and upload the documents which I will when I get home from work today.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on September 29, 2025, 09:47:41 am
I have no idea what you actually sent as a 'chase up' but there a few things you need to do. First I suggest you send another email to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk with the following:

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Subject: Urgent: Non-response re conduct of litigation (COLP clarification)

Dear Compliance Officer for Legal Practice (COLP),

Further to my email of [date], no response has been received within the 7-day deadline. In light of the absence of any clarification, I have today submitted a report to the SRA concerning the following:

• Ms Safina Zubair’s witness statement asserting: “I am a Paralegal … and I have conduct of this matter subject to the supervision of my Principal.”
• Your bundle cover letter filed to the court signed only as “Moorside Legal Services Ltd”, which also contained a settlement proposal, with no named individual or status.

Please provide, within 48 hours:

1. The name and professional status of the person at Moorside who has conduct of these proceedings and who is personally authorised to conduct litigation;
2. The name and professional status of the individual who drafted and sent the cover letter to the court, and confirmation that they are personally authorised to conduct litigation;
3. Confirmation that all reserved acts in these proceedings have been undertaken by an authorised person, and if any were not, what remedial steps you will now take.

For the avoidance of doubt, I will place this correspondence before the court and rely on Mazur & Anor v CRS LLP [2025] EWHC 2341 (KB) when addressing conduct and costs.

Please note that this email is my final 48-hour chaser. An SRA report has been submitted, and I will update the SRA if your response arrives.

Yours faithfully,

[Your full name]

At the same time, you notify the court with an email for the file to Enquiries.kingston.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and you CC help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and yourself:

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Subject: M8MP864A – Conduct of litigation issue; SRA referral; request to note and reserve costs

Dear Sir/Madam,

I write to record that Moorside Legal Services Ltd (for the Claimant) has not responded to my 7-day request for clarification after their paralegal, Ms Safina Zubair, stated in her witness statement that she “has conduct of this matter subject to the supervision of [her] Principal”. A bundle cover letter was also filed signed only “Moorside Legal Services Ltd”, containing a settlement proposal, with no named individual or status.

Given the proximity of the hearing, I have reported the matter to the SRA and sent a 48-hour final chaser to the firm’s Compliance Officer of Legal Practice (COLP) today. I respectfully invite the Court to (i) note the issue, (ii) direct the Claimant to identify on the record the authorised individual with conduct and to confirm that all reserved acts have been undertaken by that person, and (iii) reserve costs arising from any improper conduct, with reference to Mazur & Anor v CRS LLP [2025] EWHC 2341 (KB).

I also enclose a concise Costs note (CPR 27.14(2)(g)) limited to the unnecessary work caused by the conduct issue raised herein. If required, I respectfully seek the Court’s permission to rely on this short note at the hearing. Copies served on the Claimant’s solicitors today.

Yours faithfully,

[Your full name]

[Your address]

Include the following costs note with the above email (adapt the times if necessary at the LiP rate of £19/hour:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT KINGSTON UPON THAMES
Claim No.: M8MP864A
Between: National Car Parks Ltd (Claimant) and [your full name] (Defendant)

Costs note – unreasonable conduct (CPR 27.14(2)(g))

Background
1. The Claimant’s paralegal, Ms Safina Zubair, states in her witness statement that she “has conduct of this matter subject to the supervision of [her] Principal”.
2. The Claimant also filed a court cover letter signed only as “Moorside Legal Services Ltd”, which included a settlement proposal but did not identify the individual author or their professional status.
3. Those features have required me to take issue, write to the firm’s COLP, prepare regulatory correspondence, and address the point for the Court, increasing time and cost.

Law
4. Conduct of litigation is a reserved activity. The High Court in Mazur & Anor v CRS LLP [2025] EWHC 2341 (KB) confirms that non-authorised employees cannot conduct litigation, even under supervision; employment/supervision does not confer entitlement.
5. Under CPR 27.14(2)(g) the Court may order costs where a party has behaved unreasonably in bringing, defending, or conducting proceedings.

Application to the facts
6. The paralegal’s express assertion that she “has conduct” (even “subject to supervision”) conflicts with Mazur.
7. Filing a court document bearing only the firm’s name—and containing a settlement proposal—without identifying the authorised individual responsible obscures accountability for reserved acts.
8. That conduct has been unreasonable, necessitating additional work by the Defendant to safeguard the integrity of the proceedings and regulatory compliance.

Costs sought (summary schedule)
9. I ask the Court to award costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g) at the LiP rate of £19/hour, limited strictly to the unnecessary work caused by the above, namely:

[2:00] Reviewing WS wording and researching Mazur – £38.00
[0:30] Drafting COLP letter and chaser – £9.50
[1:00] Preparing SRA report email (and exhibits) – £19.00
[0:30] Preparing this costs note and short oral submissions – £9.50

Subtotal: £76.00

Total claimed: £76.00

10. The Defendant respectfully invites the Court to:
(a) find that the Claimant’s conduct has been unreasonable within r.27.14(2)(g); and
(b) award the Defendant the limited costs set out above.

You download this SRA Report Form (https://www.sra.org.uk/globalassets/documents/consumers/report-solicitor-form.docx?version=4a80ca), complete it and email it back to report@sra.org.uk and CC yourself. Use the following to guide you through the form:

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Firm: Moorside Legal Services Ltd (ABS).
Matter: National Car Parks Ltd v [Defendant], Claim No. M8MP864A, hearing listed [8 October 2025, 11:45].

Summary of concern:
A paralegal, Ms Safina Zubair, signed a witness statement stating: “I am a Paralegal employed by Moorside and I have conduct of this matter subject to the supervision of my Principal.” The firm also filed a bundle cover letter to the court signed only as “Moorside Legal Services Ltd” which included a settlement proposal, without identifying the individual author or their status. My concern is that a non-authorised individual is asserting conduct of litigation and potentially performing reserved acts.

Why this engages SRA regulation:
Conduct of litigation is a reserved activity. The High Court in Mazur & Anor v CRS LLP [2025] EWHC 2341 (KB) held that non-authorised employees cannot “conduct litigation” even if supervised; employment/supervision does not confer entitlement. The witness statement wording is inconsistent with that position and may reflect improper conduct within an SRA-regulated ABS. The unsigned (by individual) court letter compounds the concern by obscuring who is responsible for reserved steps and whether they are authorised.

Chronology:
• [Date] – Claimant’s witness statement served; wording quoted above.
• [Date] – Bundle cover letter filed to court, signed only “Moorside Legal Services Ltd”, including a settlement proposal.
• [Date] – I wrote to the firm’s COLP seeking clarification and identification of the authorised individual with conduct; 7-day deadline given.
• [Date] – No response received.
• [Today’s date] – Report submitted to the SRA; 48-hour final chaser sent to COLP.

Potential breaches:
• Reserved legal activities undertaken/held out by non-authorised person (Legal Services Act 2007; SRA Principles/Code).
• Failure to ensure proper supervision and clarity of responsibility; opacity as to who is conducting litigation; potential misrepresentation to the court.

Outcome sought:
• Regulatory review of Moorside’s arrangements for conduct of litigation.
• Confirmation/correction that only authorised individuals have conduct and perform reserved acts; identification of the authorised individual on the court record.
• Any remediation the SRA deems appropriate, including guidance to prevent recurrence.

Attachments (to upload):
1. Extract of Ms Zubair’s witness statement (with “have conduct” wording highlighted).
2. Copy of the court cover letter signed “Moorside Legal Services Ltd”.
3. My email to the COLP dated [date] and proof of non-response.
4. Today’s 48-hour chaser.
5. Hearing notice (for context).

You don't have much time so please get this done today.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on September 28, 2025, 07:30:01 pm
I still haven't received a reply from Moorside/

I've sent a chase up email today but their auto email said they reply within 5 days which they havent.


Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on September 22, 2025, 11:04:53 am
Hello

I have sent that email to moorside.

I have also called to see if the trial fee has been paid and they told me that there is no logs to confirm payment has been made however it may be still processing and that I should assume it has been paid unless I am notified otherwise.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on September 21, 2025, 09:25:23 pm
Send the following email immediately to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and CC yourself:

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Subject: Clarification required regarding conduct of litigation by non-authorised person

Dear Ms Rebecca Horton-Grainger,

I am writing in relation to the witness statement signed by Ms Safina Zubair in National Car Parks Ltd] v [Defendant], Claim No. M8MP864A. At paragraph 1 of that statement, Ms Zubair describes herself as:

“a Paralegal employed by Moorside and I have conduct of this matter subject to the supervision of my Principal.”

That assertion causes me serious concern. As you are aware, the conduct of litigation is a reserved legal activity under the Legal Services Act 2007. In Mazur & Ors v CRS LLP [2025] EWHC 1710 (Ch), the High Court held unambiguously that a non-authorised individual cannot conduct litigation, whether supervised or not. Employment by, or supervision within, an authorised firm does not entitle an unqualified person to conduct litigation.

I therefore require your clarification as COLP:

1. Does Ms Zubair in fact have conduct of this matter?
2. If not, why has her witness statement expressly stated otherwise?
3. Who is the authorised person at Moorside who has true conduct of this litigation, and who is exercising professional judgment and responsibility in accordance with the SRA Principles and Code of Conduct?

I also note that your cover letter to the court accompanying the trial bundle is signed only in the name of “Moorside Legal Services Ltd.” This letter includes a settlement proposal. As this is a document submitted to the court in active proceedings, I require confirmation of:

• The name of the individual who drafted and signed this correspondence; and
• That this individual is personally authorised to conduct litigation within the meaning of the Legal Services Act 2007.

For the avoidance of doubt, if it transpires that a paralegal or any other non-authorised person has had conduct of this litigation or has been performing reserved acts, I will report the matter to the SRA as a regulatory breach, and I will invite the court to apply Mazur in relation to costs consequences for improper conduct of litigation.

Please provide your clarification within 7 days.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Address]

When you receive a response, please show us. I believe that by permitting an unauthorised person to conduct litigation, there has been a breach of the Legal Services Act, which is a criminal mater and the person and the employing firm should be reported to the SRA.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on September 21, 2025, 05:27:57 pm
`Safina Zubair

--- signed the witness statement 


and 

Ibrar Ahmad  signed the N1SDT claim

The N180 copy that was sent to me was just signed by 'Moorside Legal'


I cant seem to find anything else at the moment. I will contact the court tomorrow.

https://imgur.com/a/i58L2WF
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on September 21, 2025, 04:42:00 pm
The first thing you ask is whether there trial fee has been paid by the claimant. If it has, this means that there is still a possibility that the hearing will go ahead. However, Moorside Legal are known to discontinue 24 hours before the hearing date. If they do, you will be able to ask for costs.

Due to a very recent High Court appeal case which is binding on the lower courts, it has been found that paralegals/non-admitted staff cannot conduct litigation merely because their firm is authorised; they may only support an authorised litigator. SO, we need to see the names of every person that has signed anything or written to you since the claim was issued.

Any person conducting litigation without the prior authorisation is committing a criminal offence. So, who signed the N1SDT Claim Form with the PoC, the N180 DQ, their Witness Statement and anything else that has been corresponded to you since the claim was issued. This firm of utter incompetents masquerading as a bilk litigator, will get their comeuppance soon.

Where on earth is the first page of their WS with points 1-4 and where is the Statement of Truth (SoT)? You should have shown EVERY page of their WS, especially if it contains a name or a signature!!!

Please answer the above questions first.



the first page of the WS i reuploaded the document as per my previous message

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-pRIcabSZ1m8F1e1dPJrjjQzKZNlSpza
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on September 21, 2025, 01:54:39 pm
The first thing you ask is whether there trial fee has been paid by the claimant. If it has, this means that there is still a possibility that the hearing will go ahead. However, Moorside Legal are known to discontinue 24 hours before the hearing date. If they do, you will be able to ask for costs.

Due to a very recent High Court appeal case which is binding on the lower courts, it has been found that paralegals/non-admitted staff cannot conduct litigation merely because their firm is authorised; they may only support an authorised litigator. SO, we need to see the names of every person that has signed anything or written to you since the claim was issued.

Any person conducting litigation without the prior authorisation is committing a criminal offence. So, who signed the N1SDT Claim Form with the PoC, the N180 DQ, their Witness Statement and anything else that has been corresponded to you since the claim was issued. This firm of utter incompetents masquerading as a bilk litigator, will get their comeuppance soon.

Where on earth is the first page of their WS with points 1-4 and where is the Statement of Truth (SoT)? You should have shown EVERY page of their WS, especially if it contains a name or a signature!!!

Please answer the above questions first.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: jfollows on September 21, 2025, 12:41:48 pm
I suggest you call the court first thing tomorrow to verify the status of the case. There are many reasons why the case may have been discontinued without your knowledge, it shouldn’t happen but it does.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on September 21, 2025, 12:35:31 pm
Hello,

My hearing is coming up on 8th October and I am trying to fully understand to get a good idea of what to say during the hearing as this sort of information is quite confusing.

In a previous letter I received on 20/5/25 it states:

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Unless the claimant does by 4 pm on the 10th of September 2025 pay to the court the trial fee of £27 or file a properly completed application  (i.e. one which provides all the required information in the manner requested) for help with fees then the claim will be struck out with effect from 10th of September 2025 without further order and unless the court orders otherwise you will also be liable for the costs which the defendant has incurred

Should I have received a letter saying the hearing has been struck out by now?

And any sort of pointers or tips please for the hearing!

I have got the following from AI mind u:

The Claimant's Particulars of Claim fail to disclose a reasonable cause of action as required by Civil Procedure Rule 16.4(1)(a). The claim is inadequately pleaded."

List the specific failings: Explain what is missing from their claim. Use a list to make your points clear and easy to follow:

Reference case law: This adds significant weight to your argument. Mention that similar cases have been struck out. "This isn't a technicality. The court has repeatedly held that such claims are deficient. I have referenced the persuasive appellate decisions of CEL v Chan and CPMS v Akande in my defense, where similar claims were struck out for these very same reasons."
2. Addressing the Claimant's Evidence



Concluding Remarks




I am worried that if the judge asks me 'why' for any of these statements then I have no idea how to explain the points.

Also, is it likely they could bring up the previous PCNs that I have received from them as per their WS? They have been cancelled now, but do I need a good defence for this?


Thanks
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on June 12, 2025, 04:21:31 pm
thank you so much. i have sent this
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on June 12, 2025, 01:13:04 pm
Don't worry about submitting it a few days late. After consulting with a district judge friend, it has been suggested that a brief WS be submitted, just repeating the defence and stating the facts as known:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT KINGSTON-UPON-THAMES
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

National Car Parks Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



WITNESS STATEMENT


1. I am the Defendant in this matter and make this statement in support of my Defence. The facts set out in this statement are true to the best of my knowledge and belief.

2. I deny that there is any cause of action. No contract was formed, and no breach is proven and I repeat my defence.

3. The Claimant's Particulars of Claim fail to disclose any cause of action, as required by CPR 16.4(1)(a). They contain no coherent statement of how or when I am said to have breached any term, nor do they clarify whether I am being pursued as the driver or as the registered keeper. This failure to plead a complete cause of action is fatal and I respectfully request the court to strike out the claim.

4. The only mention of an alleged contravention appears in the Claimant's Witness Statement, drafted by a paralegal and not given in the first person. It alleges simply that the vehicle was "parked without payment of the parking charge." There is no detail or supporting evidence of any actual contract being formed or breached.

5. The Claimant’s own photographs show that the vehicle was merely present on the site for 13 minutes. The signs shown are not legible from a moving vehicle and appear to contain densely packed, small print terms. It is not plausible that a contract could have been read, understood, and accepted in such circumstances.

6. The event is over a year old, and I have no knowledge or record of who was driving the vehicle on that unremarkable day. I cannot assist with further details. It is possible the driver stopped to assess payment options before deciding to leave.

7. The failure to state a clear cause of action, combined with the absence of a reliable first-hand witness statement from the Claimant, and the lack of clear, accessible signage, renders this claim without merit.

8. I respectfully ask the court to strike out the claim pursuant to CPR 3.4(2)(a) and (b) for disclosing no reasonable grounds and being an abuse of process. Alternatively, I request the claim be dismissed with costs.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Submit the WS as a PDF attachment in an email to the court at Enquiries.kingston.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and also CC help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and also CC in yourself. Make sure you include the claim number in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on June 12, 2025, 11:21:30 am
just wondering if anyone has had a look at the WOS and can advise me on what to say please
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on June 11, 2025, 11:42:57 am
that email with a lot of other PCNs was ones that I hadnt appealed in the 14 day timeframe and the website did not let me appeal so I had to email them directly to get those cancelled. Is this something they can use against me in this case? Could this be used against me now, implying some from of parking abuse?

Quote
That NtK was 'given' on the 14th day, so within the relevant period. Also, you haven't told us why the vehicle was on site for 13 minutes without paying.

I can't say as it was quite a long time ago..
Driver could have been figuring out how to pay and decided to leave instead - not sure
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on June 11, 2025, 11:30:44 am
I will deal with this later this evening. You can demolish their WS and you can go through it point by point in your WS.

However, there is reference in their WS to whole bunch of other PCNs. What on earth was this for?

(https://i.imgur.com/88Q5qiu.png)

That NtK was 'given' on the 14th day, so within the relevant period. Also, you haven't told us why the vehicle was on site for 13 minutes without paying.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on June 10, 2025, 08:05:44 pm
sorry sorry my bad missed the overleaf pages

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-pRIcabSZ1m8F1e1dPJrjjQzKZNlSpza?usp=sharing

hopefully this is easier to view!
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on June 10, 2025, 07:38:28 pm
But you haven't shown us the witness statement in full. It goes from para 14 to para 24. There must be at least one if not more pages because there is no statement of truth or the signature of the witness.

Are all their pages numbered? Are any missing?
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on June 10, 2025, 07:34:14 pm
I can put it on a drive if thats easier but that is all I received - 30 pages.

It is in order as well
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on June 10, 2025, 07:31:15 pm
That is not the full bundle. Host the full bundle, with ALL pages in the same order on Google Drive. Please don't make us have to search around for all the pages of that WS.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on June 10, 2025, 07:18:59 pm
just received their WOS :(


https://imgur.com/a/ECxNjmF

Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on June 09, 2025, 09:35:15 am
will do thank you
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: DWMB2 on June 09, 2025, 09:29:57 am
If you're phoning the court, ideally do so first thing in the morning to hopefully reduce the amount of time spent on hold.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on June 08, 2025, 07:54:48 pm
Don't do anything yet. Whilst the court order says that witness statements and evidence must be sent to the court and to the other side by 4pm on 12 June, it also warns that if this isn’t done, the claim or defence may be struck out and costs may be awarded. However, this is not an automatic strikeout or “guillotine” (Unless) order.

If Moorside Legal miss the deadline for sending you their witness statement and evidence bundle, that’s a serious failure. They are an SRA regulated legal firm of supposed professionals (officers of the court) and should know better. If they don’t submit anything by the deadline, then you are entitled to respond with a holding witness statement shortly after — even if it’s a few days late — explaining that you had been waiting for their evidence to understand what case you’re supposed to be defending, considering their claim has not pleaded any cause of action in breach of CPR 16.4(1)(a). That is a reasonable and fair explanation.

If you have not received anything by 4pm from Moorside Legal by 4pm on Thursday, I suggest you try calling the court a Kingston-upon-Thames firs thing on Friday morning and ask whether the clam has been discontinued or the hearing vacated.

Remind us on Friday, preferably after you have had confirmation from the court whether the claim still stands and something cn be thrown together as a holding WS.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on June 08, 2025, 07:13:47 pm
deadline is 4pm 12 June

https://imgur.com/a/bzENrS0

i haven't received a copy of claimaints WS. Would this be through email or post? Nothing received.

What would you need to put in the WS instead?  Would my evidence be the fact that there is lack of detail in the POS? Quite unsure here.

Thanks

Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on June 08, 2025, 06:59:11 pm
What is your WS deadline? Have you received a copy of the claimants WS yet? You do not submit a WS before the you have seen the claimants WS, if at all possible, even at the cost of submitting yours late!

Why are you simply re editing the defence into the first person? That is not how a WS works.

As this is a very poorly pleaded claim issued by the utter incompetents at Moorside Legal, I doubt that you will even need a WS as this is highly likely to be struck out or discontinued anyway.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on June 08, 2025, 06:45:44 pm
Hi all,
Please see my witness statement below. Any changes needed?

[size=150]Statement of Evidence of xx[/size]
IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: xx
BETWEEN:
National Car Parks Ltd (Claimant)
-and-
xx (Defendant)

[size=120]WITNESS STATEMENT OF xx[/size]
I, xx, will say as follows:

I am the Defendant in these proceedings. I make this statement in support of my defence against the claim brought by National Car Parks Ltd ("the Claimant") and in compliance with the court's order dated [Insert Date of Court Order, e.g., "first available date after 24th July 2025"].

I deny the claim in its entirety and assert that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

The Particulars of Claim ("PoC") served by the Claimant lack precise detail in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against me, such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

I am unable to properly plead to the PoC because:


The deficiencies in the Claimant's PoC are not merely technical. As highlighted by Her Honour Judge Evans in CPMS v Akande [2024] K0DP5J30, a defendant "cannot possibly plead his Defence because he does not know what the contractual term is said to be that he has breached and he does not know how he is said to have breached it". The PoC in this case suffers from these exact fundamental flaws.

I further rely on the persuasive appellate decisions in CEL v Chan [2023] E7GM9W44 and CPMS v Akande [2024] K0DP5J30, where claims were struck out due to identical failures to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). Transcripts of these decisions are attached as Exhibit N.B.1 (CEL v Chan) and Exhibit N.B.2 (CPMS v Akande).

In CEL v Chan, Judge Murch held that the particulars of claim must set out the conduct relied upon as amounting to a breach of contract, stating, "The conduct amounting to the breach was not set out". The judge further noted that if the Money Claims Online (MCOL) system's character limit is insufficient, it is open to the claimant to file and serve separate, detailed particulars of claim. The Claimant in my case has similarly failed to set out the specific conduct alleged to be a breach.

Similarly, in CPMS v Akande, it was explicitly stated that the PoC must contain a concise statement of the facts relied upon, and that the nature of the breach, not just a simple assertion, is fundamental to a claim of this nature. The court dismissed the appeal, affirming that the PoC were "wholly inadequate" because they did not specify the breach.

I also attach a copy of a draft order previously issued by a District Judge at another court in a similar case where the claim was struck out of the court's own initiative due to the Particulars of Claim failing to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). This draft order is attached as Exhibit N.B.3. The judge in that case noted the claimant's failure to:


I submit that the same reasoning applies in this case. The Claimant's PoC suffers from the identical, fundamental failures identified in the appellate decisions and the attached draft order. To permit further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective of the Civil Procedure Rules.
Therefore, I invite the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant's failure to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

[size=120]Statement of Truth[/size]

I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.
Signed: xx
Date:
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: jfollows on April 10, 2025, 07:50:25 am
Nothing about your defence, if anyone asks then tell them off and tell them to read the defence already submitted. This is not about your defence, simply seeking to settle, and if you are not going to settle you say so and be done with it. Tick in the box for the process.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on April 09, 2025, 10:22:43 pm
With the mediation stage (i have it tomorrow)

how muhc detail do i need give about my defence? Or will it be more of a 2 minute phone call and I just need to say I will not pay anyhting?
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on March 16, 2025, 04:07:06 pm
Yes... but it's not a 'hearing'. It's not part of the judicial process and there is no judge involved. It is merely a phone call through a mediator who is not even legally trained. Everything in a mediation call is confidential and has no bearing whatsoever on anything going forward if agreement is not reached.

It is a waste of time in these types of cases and as long as you simply offer £0, it is over in minutes. Your only obligation is to "attend" the call.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on March 16, 2025, 02:49:11 pm
Thanks! Will now complete the N180 and email it addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and Help@moorsidelegal.co.uk
 and CCd myself.

After this, wait for mediator hearing?

Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on February 03, 2025, 11:24:33 pm
There is no need to delay submitting the Acknowledgement of Service (AoS). With an issue date of 30th January, you have until Tuesday 18th February to submit the AoS.

Just follow the instructions in this linked PDF file to submit the AoS:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Once you have submitted the AoS, you then have until 4pm on Tuesday 4th March to submit the defence.

Here is the defence and link to the draft order and relevant transcripts that go with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you send all the documents as PDF attachments in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of National Car Parks Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

Quote
IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

National Car Parks Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant cites the cases of CEL v Chan 2023 [E7GM9W44] and CPMS v Akande 2024 [K0DP5J30], which are persuasive appellate decisions. In these cases, claims were struck out due to identical failures to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). Transcripts of these decisions are attached to this Defence.

5. The Defendant also attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order previously issued by a district judge at another court in a similar case. In that case, the court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Failed to explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

6. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zc23txk7poctyyxiv2ytx/Strikeout-order-1-a-v2.1.pdf?rlkey=pancly3z6zwqt2cra5rvvh3ls&st=nq7a58tz&dl=0)

CEL v Chan Transcript (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nb9ypbecuurpmln00dily/CELvChan-appeal-transcript.pdf?rlkey=7mpuvpmpe45s2zbhch21om1ez&st=i8dnbod3&dl=0)

CPMS v Akande Transcript (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y631olc61z1slr6xfrdsk/CPM-v-AKANDE.pdf?rlkey=kltpojedcxiwarxr0sdfyjo05&st=qi4lv3fv&dl=0)
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on February 03, 2025, 06:46:50 pm
Received claim today dated 30/1 ------ https://imgur.com/a/xs20HwG

I will acknowledge the claim with MCOL on the 5th day

I will be using this template as well https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6108153/suggested-template-defence-to-adapt-for-all-parking-charge-cases-where-they-add-false-admin-costs/p1

What else can I add?

also i should say that I have had a few PCNs from NCP over the last year which all have been cancelled but I'm not sure if this can be used against me? (around 30-40 in the past year..  :-X )

Thanks
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on September 29, 2024, 07:22:28 pm
You could but it is not advised. If/when a claim is issued, you will have a better defence if you cannot fully respond to the woefully inadequate Particulars of Claim (PoC). If you really need a copy, you can SAR the after a claim is issued.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on September 29, 2024, 07:06:13 pm
Yeah I cant seem to find the original letter. Can i request the letter to be resent?
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: b789 on September 27, 2024, 12:42:12 pm
Show us the original Notice to Keeper (NtK).

What was the date of the alleged contravention and what is the issue date of the NtK? Only those two dates will determine whether the NtK was delivered (given) within the relevant period. The actual date it was received has no relevance whatsoever, unless it can be evidenced (unlikely).

As stated above, you are beyond any appeal stage. It's a pity that you didn't try POPLA if the NtK failed to comply with PoFA.

Ignore Moorside Legal. They are acting as debt collectors. All debt collectors can be safely ignored as they have no power to do anything. They are a third party to any contract allegedly breached by the driver. Ignore, ignore, ignore.

We really don't need to see any debt collection letters.

What you now have to do is wait and see if/when NCP decide to take you to court over the alleged debt. If/when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) then come back and show us. You will know it is a real LoC and not a fake one from a debt collector, if it gives you 30 days to pay. All debt collectors will usually only give you 14 days.

A real LoC has to follow the Pre Action Protocols (PAP) and you can check ay letter against paragraph 3 of this document:

Pre-Action Protocols for Debt Claims (https://www.justice.gov.uk/documents/debt-pap.pdf)
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: DWMB2 on September 27, 2024, 10:45:08 am
A copy of the original parking charge notice would be useful.

If they sent you a POPLA code but you missed it, it's too late to appeal to POPLA now. The ball is essentially in NCP's court, and it's a case of waiting to see if they decide to issue a court claim or not.
Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on September 27, 2024, 10:35:18 am
This was the email I sent them
Quote
You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to deliver the notice within the relevant period of 14 days as prescribed by section 9 (4) of the Act. You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.



There is no legal requirement to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.


Any further communication with me on this matter, apart from confirmation of no further action and my details being removed from your records, will be considered vexatious and harassment. This includes communication from any Debt Collection companies you care to instruct.


I've just had a look through my emails and they did respond but I must have missed it. It asks to go through POPLA but this was back in May. Is this possible or too late? Also, I sent them another 5 or 6 emails after this time asking for a resolution but they never said that they had already sent me an email regarding that.

https://imgur.com/a/zmqSWPg

Title: Re: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: DWMB2 on September 27, 2024, 10:25:23 am
Quote
The PCN was not valid as it wasnt sent within the 14 day period.
For clarity, this isn't quite accurate. If they do not deliver a notice within the relevant period of 14 days, they cannot use the provisions of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act to recover the unpaid charges from you as the keeper, but this does not mean the PCN is invalid. They may have a valid claim against the driver, albeit no way to recover from him if they don't know who he is.

To help us help you, please read the following thread and provide as much of the information it asks for that you are able to provide - READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)

It would also be useful to see your email correspondence with NCP.

Is the letter from Moorside a Letter of Claim?
Title: No reply from NCP and now getting solicitor letters
Post by: NBSCMN on September 27, 2024, 10:12:33 am
Hi,

I received a PCN from NCP in June and didn't appeal it within the 30 day period. I emailed them saying that I had COVID and was unable to access my computer. They have accepted emails like this previously however with this one they would not reply or acknowldge.

The PCN was not valid as it wasnt sent within the 14 day period.

I have now had a few letters from debt recovery - which I ignored and sent further emails to NCP asking them to cancel.

I have sent about 4-5 emails until now. They have only replied once stating that the PCN has been transferred to the debt collectors and now not their issue

My most recent letter has been from Moorside threatening CCJ if I dont pay. I emailed NCP and they again said


As your parking charge notice has now been transferred to Moorside – Pre Legal Action all further correspondence regarding this notice will need to be sent to them directly as NCP cannot accept appeals or payments regarding this notice. Please contact them directly.



How can I get NCP to cancel this. I thought I shouldnt be talking to solictiors etc at all and only go through the actual parking company

Thanks