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Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: Snow1 on October 04, 2024, 12:27:44 pm
Thank you :)
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: b789 on October 04, 2024, 12:23:33 pm
Yes. You asking the court to order the claimant to provide further PoC. They must comply with ALL the parts of the order otherwise the claim will be struck out. To date, no claimant has managed to fully comply with the order and have either discontinued or, where they failed, had the claim struck out.
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: Snow1 on October 04, 2024, 11:13:31 am
Thanks so much! What is the draft order? Is this something I am asking the courts to order to the claimant?
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: b789 on October 02, 2024, 12:42:18 am
No
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: Snow1 on October 01, 2024, 09:22:57 pm
Wow! Thank you so much! Do you think I should add about that I was allowed to park there with no payment as I was a gym member and provide proof of my gym membership or is it irrelevant? Thank you!
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: b789 on October 01, 2024, 01:48:05 pm
Here is a short defence and accompanying draft order that you can use in your case. I have will also link to two persuasive transcripts that should also be attached as 'exhibits A and B':

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]
BETWEEN:
[Claimant's Full Name]


Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]

Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim.

2. The Defendant is unable to properly plead to the Particulars of Claim (PoC) because they lack sufficient detail and do not comply with CPR 16.4. The PoC merely state "Payment Not Made In Accordance With The Notified Terms," which is vague and does not constitute a concise statement of the facts on which the claimant relies, as required by CPR 16.4(1)(a).


3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The Particulars of Claim fail to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a), lacking specific terms allegedly breached, the signage locations, or details of the breach. This prevents the Defendant from properly pleading a defence, and the claim should be struck out under CPR 3.4. The Defendant cites the persuasive appeals cases CEL v Chan 2023 [E7GM9W44] and CPMS v Akande 2024 [K0DP5J30], where similarly vague claims were struck out. These are attached as exhibits A and B. Should the court not strike out the claim, the Defendant refers to the draft order in paragraph 4;

(b) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.5;

(c) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(d) The PoC do not set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts);

(e) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breaches occurred, the exact time when the breaches occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charges were allegedly incurred;

(f) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated;

(g) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charges and what proportion is damages;

(h) The PoC state that the Claimant is suing the defendant as the driver or the keeper. The claimant obviously knows whether the defendant is being sued as the driver or the keeper and should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action.

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which they face and can then respond properly to the claim.


Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

You only need to edit the claimant name, your name, the claim number and then sign and date by simply typing your full name for the signature.

Here is the Draft Order:

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Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of claim and the defence

AND the court being of the view that there is a lack of precise detail in the particulars of claim in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the defendant such that the particulars of claim do not comply with CPR 16.4.

It is Ordered that:

1. Unless the Claimant do, within 14 days of service of this order, file at court a further particulars of claim which complies with CPR 16.4 and which sets out:

(i) the precise and concise factual allegations it makes against the Defendant and

(ii)the factual or legal [or both] basis of its claim and

(iii) exactly how its claim is calculated (if there is a claim for a fixed sum)

then the claim shall be struck out.

2. For the avoidance of doubt the further particulars of claim must:

(a) refer to and have attached to them (clearly marked "A") a copy of the contract (or contracts) between the claimant and defendant relied on;

(b) set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is (or are) relied on;

(c) have attached to them (clearly marked "B") a copy of each of the Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) which forms the basis of this claim;

(d) must state by what method each of the PCNs was first brought to the attention of the defendant. For example, attaching it to the defendant's vehicle or sending by post;

(e) in respect of each alleged breach of contract, set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract;

(f) in respect of each alleged breach of contract, set out (i) the full postal address of where the breach took place and (ii) the precise date and time of the alleged breach and (iii) exactly how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was incurred;

(g) state, in respect of each PCN sued on, whether the claim is (or is not) brought under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012;

(h) in respect of each alleged breach of contract, must state whether the defendant is sued as the driver of the vehicle or the keeper of the vehicle;

(i) not state that the defendant is sued in the alternative as the driver of the vehicle or as the keeper of the vehicle;

(j) state what amount of the claim is the claim for non-payment of the PCN (or PCNs) and what amount of the claim is not for non-payment of damages;

(k) must explain the factual or legal (or both) basis of the claim for any amount claimed which is not for non-payment of the PCN (or PCNs);

(l) set out a precise calculation of the claim for statutory interest up to the date of issue to include the date interest started running.

3. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay this order by an application on notice which must be filed at this Court no more than 5 days after service of this order, failing which no such application may be made.

Here are the links to the two transcripts that should be attached to the defence document:

CEL v Chan transcript (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nb9ypbecuurpmln00dily/CELvChan-appeal-transcript.pdf?rlkey=7mpuvpmpe45s2zbhch21om1ez&st=vopz8fya&dl=0)

CPMS v Akande transcript (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y631olc61z1slr6xfrdsk/CPM-v-AKANDE.pdf?rlkey=kltpojedcxiwarxr0sdfyjo05&st=shgrpcyf&dl=0)

Each transcript should be marked as exhibits "A" and "B".

When you are ready, you should have two separate PDF documents. The defence with the two transcripts attached to it and the Draft Order. These documents are sent as attachments to an email addressed to claim.responses@justice.gov.uk and you also CC in yourself. The email subject must contain the claim number in it. In the body of the email just state that attached are the defence and draft order in the matter of [claimant name] v [your name] claim number [claim number].
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: Snow1 on October 01, 2024, 12:12:34 pm
I have done my acknowledgment. Now to work on my defence! I would be grateful for any help :) x
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: Snow1 on September 25, 2024, 10:31:01 pm
B789 - Thank you! I will get the acknowledgment done on Friday morning. Sorry for the late reply. Long day 😅. Thank you so much for your help! You’ve put my mind at rest a bit as I do hope it will be the same with my case.

And thank you dwmb2 that is a very interesting point you’ve made! What rogues they are! And thank you for further easing my mind. They seem to use a lot of dirty tactics!

Thank you both so much x
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: DWMB2 on September 25, 2024, 07:30:01 pm
We can't offer any guarantees as we cannot predict the future, but a very strong pattern has emerged in the last year or two...

DCB Legal seem to be usingthe court system mainly as a threat - from what I've seen any claim that is defended is eventually discontinued. The only one I'm aware of going to a hearing in the last year or 2 was one where the defendant filed a counterclaim from which they were unwilling to back down. DCB presumably figured that as they'd have to turn up for the counterclaim they might as well press on with theirs.

Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: b789 on September 25, 2024, 03:28:01 pm
There is nothing to be gained by delaying the AoS. Just get it done.

I have never had a single PCN claim issued through DCB Legal end up as an actual hearing. Every single one has been discontinued just before any hearing date and I would put money on this one ending up as a discontinuation too.
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: Snow1 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:34 pm
Thank you so much!! Do you think I should wait until Sunday to approve this or should I do it sooner rather than later? Have your defences been successful so far with the civil courts? I’m happy to help however I can but it sounds like you are a lot more clued up than me lol x
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: b789 on September 25, 2024, 01:23:28 am
With an issue date of 10th September, you have until Sunday 29th September to submit your Acknowledgement of Service (AoS). Once you have submitted your AoS, you then have until 4pm on Monday 14th October to submit your defence.

Follow the advice in this PDF on how to file your AoS on MCOL:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Once you’ve submitted our AoS, let us know and we will provide a short defence and draft order for you to submit as  PDF attachments to an email.
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: Snow1 on September 24, 2024, 08:38:03 pm
I’ve had to keep editing it because I kept forgetting to black the bits out 🤦🏻‍♀️ 4th time lucky lol hope you can see ok now!
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: Snow1 on September 24, 2024, 07:46:52 pm
Thanks I think it’s let me upload the link now! I hope it’s worked lol. X
https://i.postimg.cc/k4jLy55h/IMG-0204.jpg
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: Snow1 on September 24, 2024, 07:45:10 pm
(https://postimg.cc/0bTWMgWZ)
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: DWMB2 on September 24, 2024, 07:34:23 pm
You don't need to create an account to upload images to Imgur, but if you can't get it to work, Imgbb and Postimg are 2 alternatives to try.
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: Snow1 on September 24, 2024, 07:29:59 pm
Yes but it won’t let me sign up to I hit it says I’m out of the region. I’m
Not techno savvy I wouldn’t know any other sites x
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: DWMB2 on September 24, 2024, 07:23:42 pm
READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)

Did you read the above? It includes a guide to uploading images.
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: Snow1 on September 24, 2024, 07:18:29 pm
Thanks! It’s not letting me upload the photo :(
Title: Re: Private car park court summons
Post by: b789 on September 24, 2024, 06:36:59 pm
You need to read this and then show us suitably redacted copy of the N1SDT claim form for each claim (assuming you have more than one claim). We need to see the Particulars of Claim (PoC), which solicitor CEL are using and the date the claim was "issued".

READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)
Title: Private car park court summons
Post by: Snow1 on September 24, 2024, 04:34:29 pm
Hi everyone. I’ve got a number of car park of tickets from civil enforcement. I appealed most of them, got rejected and then appealed to popla and won. I have overlooked 3 of them, there was just so many coming in. I get free parking when I’m at the gym and they are trying to pursue me for non payment. The car park is 50p and they want £170 for each ticket. I have 3 tickets now outstanding which they have now taken me to court for. One I did try to appeal and they said they don’t accept but as a gesture of good will they will lower it to £60 but didn’t give me the option to appeal this one to popla. Which I’m sure they are meant to do. They wouldn’t allow me to appeal the other 2 because I was over 28 days and said they won’t accept appeals and that I have to pay £170 for each one or they are taking me to court. They wouldn’t allow me to prove I’m a member of the gym or anything. They told me that I have to input my reg into a tablet and that they have no record of this but I didn’t see any tablet to put my reg in and this is also not stated on their signs in the carpark. I now have to prepare my defence. Can anyone help me this? It’s quite mentally exhausting trying to deal with this on top of everything else going on my life at the min. Thank you x