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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: alex329 on September 24, 2024, 01:05:25 pm

Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on October 08, 2024, 02:21:02 pm
Here is a suitable response to the operators evidence. Just paste it into the response box on the POPLA website:

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POPLA Verification Code: [Verification Code]
UKPC PCN Number: [PCN Number]
Vehicle Registration: [Vehicle Registration]
Re: Response to UKPC Evidence Submission and Reaffirmation of Appeal Points

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle in question and have reviewed the evidence submitted by UKPC. I submit the following detailed response to their evidence, highlighting critical points from my original appeal that have not been fully addressed or rebutted, alongside new issues with the evidence they have provided.

1. **Signage: Inadequate and Unclear – No Valid Contract Formed**

Original Appeal Argument:

The signage at the site does not clearly convey the parking charge of £100. It is buried in a wall of small text, making it almost impossible for a motorist to understand that they are entering into a contract that includes a substantial penalty for non-compliance. In contrast, the signage in ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 prominently displayed the charge in large, bold text.

UKPC's Evidence Response:

UKPC claims their signage complies with BPA Code of Practice, but they fail to address the core issue: the size, clarity, and prominence of the £100 parking charge. Their response does not rebut the comparison to the Beavis case, where the £85 charge was displayed clearly and conspicuously. UKPC’s sign, by contrast, buries the charge in small print, failing to make it obvious to motorists.

Unanswered:

UKPC did not provide evidence that their £100 charge is displayed in a similarly prominent fashion as required by the BPA Code of Practice, Section 18.3, or that it was brought to the driver’s attention in line with PoFA requirements. The image comparison I provided clearly shows how the £100 charge is obscure, supporting my claim that no valid contract was formed.

2. **Keeper Liability – Non-Compliance with PoFA 2012**

Original Appeal Argument:

UKPC has failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, meaning they cannot transfer liability for the alleged parking charge from the driver to the registered keeper.

Under Schedule 4 of PoFA, strict conditions must be met before the keeper can be held liable for a parking charge incurred by the driver. UKPC's failure to comply with several key requirements renders the Notice to Keeper (NtK) non-compliant, meaning they cannot hold the registered keeper liable for the charge.

UKPC’s NtK fails PoFA on the following points:

(i) Paragraph 9(2)(e): PoFA requires that the NtK must include an “invitation” for the keeper to pay the charge. Specifically, it must “invite” the keeper to pay the charge or provide the name and address of the driver. The wording on UKPC’s NtK does not contain this necessary invitation, which is a critical requirement under PoFA.

(ii) Paragraph 9(2)(f): PoFA mandates that the NtK must include a warning to the keeper that if, after 28 days, neither payment nor driver details are provided, the keeper will become liable. UKPC’s NtK fails to provide this warning clearly and in the correct format.

(iii) Paragraph 9(2)(a): The NtK must specify the relevant land on which the vehicle was parked. UKPC’s vague description of the location is insufficient under PoFA, as it does not clearly identify where the vehicle was allegedly parked, nor does it specify a defined area.

(iv) Paragraph 9(2)(b): PoFA requires that the NtK must inform the keeper of the reason for issuing the charge. In this case, UKPC fails to make the alleged breach of contract clear in their NtK. The NtK must inform the keeper why the parking terms were allegedly breached, but this is not sufficiently communicated.

Given these failures, UKPC has not complied with the requirements of PoFA, meaning they cannot transfer liability to the keeper.

Unanswered:

UKPC has not provided a detailed rebuttal showing how they have complied with the specific points of PoFA listed above. Their simple assertion of compliance is not enough. PoFA compliance requires meeting every one of the detailed conditions in Schedule 4, and they have demonstrably failed to do so.

Without strict compliance with PoFA, UKPC cannot hold the keeper liable, and this charge is therefore unenforceable.

3. **No Evidence That the Keeper is the Driver**

Original Appeal Argument:

As UKPC cannot rely on PoFA to transfer liability to the keeper, they must provide evidence that the keeper was the driver at the time of the alleged parking contravention.

UKPC's Evidence Response:

UKPC failed to address this point in their response. They have not provided any evidence to suggest that the registered keeper was the driver, nor do they offer any rebuttal to my challenge on this matter.

Unanswered:

UKPC has made no attempt to prove the identity of the driver, and they have not demonstrated why they believe the registered keeper should be held liable without PoFA compliance.
As there is no evidence that I, as the registered keeper, was the driver, UKPC has no legal grounds to pursue this charge against me.

4. **Breaches of BPA Code of Practice**

Original Appeal Argument:

UKPC's signage and operational practices fail to comply with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, including Section 18.1 (clear and prominent entrance signs), Section 18.3 (prominent display of parking charges), and Section 18.4 (contrast and positioning of signage).

UKPC's Evidence Response:

UKPC asserts that their signage complies with the BPA Code of Practice but provides no specific evidence to support this claim. They rely on generic statements that their signs meet the necessary standards without addressing the specific breaches I raised in my appeal.

Unanswered:

(i) Section 18.1: No evidence was provided of adequate entrance signage that clearly conveys the terms and conditions of parking. UKPC failed to show that the entrance sign made it clear that terms and conditions applied.

(ii) Section 18.3: UKPC has not shown that the parking charge is prominently displayed. As demonstrated by the image comparison with the Beavis case signage, the £100 charge is obscured in small print, violating Section 18.3 of the BPA Code.

(iii) Section 18.4: The parking charge is not sufficiently distinct from other information on the sign, making it easy to miss. This violates the requirement for important terms to be clearly distinguishable.

5. **No Evidence of Landowner Authority**

Original Appeal Argument:

UKPC is required to demonstrate that they have the authority to issue parking charges on this land. I requested an unredacted copy of the contract between UKPC and the landholder.

UKPC's Evidence Response:

UKPC provided a redacted "Contract Variation Form" instead of the full contract. This is inadequate, as it does not demonstrate the extent of their authority to manage parking on the land or issue charges. Additionally, their failure to provide a full and unredacted contract suggests they may not have the necessary authority.

Unanswered:

The redacted contract does not prove that UKPC has sufficient authority to issue parking charges in their own name. A 'Contract Variation Form' is not a full contract and does not show the boundaries of the land or who is responsible for signage.
Without full proof of authority, UKPC has no legal grounds to pursue this charge.

**Conclusion:**

In conclusion, UKPC has failed to address or rebut the key points of my original appeal. Their evidence submission does not provide sufficient proof of the following:

(a) Inadequate signage that fails to form a valid contract with the driver, particularly regarding the display of the £100 charge.

(b) Non-compliance with PoFA 2012, meaning they cannot hold the registered keeper liable.
No evidence that the registered keeper was the driver.

(c) Breach of the BPA Code of Practice, with inadequate entrance signage and unclear display of parking terms.

(d) Lack of landholder authority, as the redacted contract they provided is insufficient proof.

Based on these points, I respectfully request that POPLA uphold my appeal and instruct UKPC to cancel the Parking Charge Notice.


Amazing! I've submitted the above, many thanks! will update as soon as I hear further :)
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on October 08, 2024, 02:13:12 pm
Here is a suitable response to the operators evidence. Just paste it into the response box on the POPLA website:

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POPLA Verification Code: [Verification Code]
UKPC PCN Number: [PCN Number]
Vehicle Registration: [Vehicle Registration]
Re: Response to UKPC Evidence Submission and Reaffirmation of Appeal Points

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle in question and have reviewed the evidence submitted by UKPC. I submit the following detailed response to their evidence, highlighting critical points from my original appeal that have not been fully addressed or rebutted, alongside new issues with the evidence they have provided.

1. **Signage: Inadequate and Unclear – No Valid Contract Formed**

Original Appeal Argument:

The signage at the site does not clearly convey the parking charge of £100. It is buried in a wall of small text, making it almost impossible for a motorist to understand that they are entering into a contract that includes a substantial penalty for non-compliance. In contrast, the signage in ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 prominently displayed the charge in large, bold text.

UKPC's Evidence Response:

UKPC claims their signage complies with BPA Code of Practice, but they fail to address the core issue: the size, clarity, and prominence of the £100 parking charge. Their response does not rebut the comparison to the Beavis case, where the £85 charge was displayed clearly and conspicuously. UKPC’s sign, by contrast, buries the charge in small print, failing to make it obvious to motorists.

Unanswered:

UKPC did not provide evidence that their £100 charge is displayed in a similarly prominent fashion as required by the BPA Code of Practice, Section 18.3, or that it was brought to the driver’s attention in line with PoFA requirements. The image comparison I provided clearly shows how the £100 charge is obscure, supporting my claim that no valid contract was formed.

2. **Keeper Liability – Non-Compliance with PoFA 2012**

Original Appeal Argument:

UKPC has failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, meaning they cannot transfer liability for the alleged parking charge from the driver to the registered keeper.

Under Schedule 4 of PoFA, strict conditions must be met before the keeper can be held liable for a parking charge incurred by the driver. UKPC's failure to comply with several key requirements renders the Notice to Keeper (NtK) non-compliant, meaning they cannot hold the registered keeper liable for the charge.

UKPC’s NtK fails PoFA on the following points:

(i) Paragraph 9(2)(e): PoFA requires that the NtK must include an “invitation” for the keeper to pay the charge. Specifically, it must “invite” the keeper to pay the charge or provide the name and address of the driver. The wording on UKPC’s NtK does not contain this necessary invitation, which is a critical requirement under PoFA.

(ii) Paragraph 9(2)(f): PoFA mandates that the NtK must include a warning to the keeper that if, after 28 days, neither payment nor driver details are provided, the keeper will become liable. UKPC’s NtK fails to provide this warning clearly and in the correct format.

(iii) Paragraph 9(2)(a): The NtK must specify the relevant land on which the vehicle was parked. UKPC’s vague description of the location is insufficient under PoFA, as it does not clearly identify where the vehicle was allegedly parked, nor does it specify a defined area.

(iv) Paragraph 9(2)(b): PoFA requires that the NtK must inform the keeper of the reason for issuing the charge. In this case, UKPC fails to make the alleged breach of contract clear in their NtK. The NtK must inform the keeper why the parking terms were allegedly breached, but this is not sufficiently communicated.

Given these failures, UKPC has not complied with the requirements of PoFA, meaning they cannot transfer liability to the keeper.

Unanswered:

UKPC has not provided a detailed rebuttal showing how they have complied with the specific points of PoFA listed above. Their simple assertion of compliance is not enough. PoFA compliance requires meeting every one of the detailed conditions in Schedule 4, and they have demonstrably failed to do so.

Without strict compliance with PoFA, UKPC cannot hold the keeper liable, and this charge is therefore unenforceable.

3. **No Evidence That the Keeper is the Driver**

Original Appeal Argument:

As UKPC cannot rely on PoFA to transfer liability to the keeper, they must provide evidence that the keeper was the driver at the time of the alleged parking contravention.

UKPC's Evidence Response:

UKPC failed to address this point in their response. They have not provided any evidence to suggest that the registered keeper was the driver, nor do they offer any rebuttal to my challenge on this matter.

Unanswered:

UKPC has made no attempt to prove the identity of the driver, and they have not demonstrated why they believe the registered keeper should be held liable without PoFA compliance.
As there is no evidence that I, as the registered keeper, was the driver, UKPC has no legal grounds to pursue this charge against me.

4. **Breaches of BPA Code of Practice**

Original Appeal Argument:

UKPC's signage and operational practices fail to comply with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, including Section 18.1 (clear and prominent entrance signs), Section 18.3 (prominent display of parking charges), and Section 18.4 (contrast and positioning of signage).

UKPC's Evidence Response:

UKPC asserts that their signage complies with the BPA Code of Practice but provides no specific evidence to support this claim. They rely on generic statements that their signs meet the necessary standards without addressing the specific breaches I raised in my appeal.

Unanswered:

(i) Section 18.1: No evidence was provided of adequate entrance signage that clearly conveys the terms and conditions of parking. UKPC failed to show that the entrance sign made it clear that terms and conditions applied.

(ii) Section 18.3: UKPC has not shown that the parking charge is prominently displayed. As demonstrated by the image comparison with the Beavis case signage, the £100 charge is obscured in small print, violating Section 18.3 of the BPA Code.

(iii) Section 18.4: The parking charge is not sufficiently distinct from other information on the sign, making it easy to miss. This violates the requirement for important terms to be clearly distinguishable.

5. **No Evidence of Landowner Authority**

Original Appeal Argument:

UKPC is required to demonstrate that they have the authority to issue parking charges on this land. I requested an unredacted copy of the contract between UKPC and the landholder.

UKPC's Evidence Response:

UKPC provided a redacted "Contract Variation Form" instead of the full contract. This is inadequate, as it does not demonstrate the extent of their authority to manage parking on the land or issue charges. Additionally, their failure to provide a full and unredacted contract suggests they may not have the necessary authority.

Unanswered:

The redacted contract does not prove that UKPC has sufficient authority to issue parking charges in their own name. A 'Contract Variation Form' is not a full contract and does not show the boundaries of the land or who is responsible for signage.
Without full proof of authority, UKPC has no legal grounds to pursue this charge.

**Conclusion:**

In conclusion, UKPC has failed to address or rebut the key points of my original appeal. Their evidence submission does not provide sufficient proof of the following:

(a) Inadequate signage that fails to form a valid contract with the driver, particularly regarding the display of the £100 charge.

(b) Non-compliance with PoFA 2012, meaning they cannot hold the registered keeper liable.
No evidence that the registered keeper was the driver.

(c) Breach of the BPA Code of Practice, with inadequate entrance signage and unclear display of parking terms.

(d) Lack of landholder authority, as the redacted contract they provided is insufficient proof.

Based on these points, I respectfully request that POPLA uphold my appeal and instruct UKPC to cancel the Parking Charge Notice.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on October 08, 2024, 02:03:42 pm
Just make it easier for everyone without having to click on obscure links, here is the document:

(https://i.imgur.com/T4f5n2F.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/K2U1pgw.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VpSyS89.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YCUBUWX.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qHbx0zn.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qGECf6j.jpeg)
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on October 08, 2024, 01:29:59 pm
That link only shows that the file has been deleted.

Looks like the site deleted it, try this - https://filebin.net/g2h2rog97swy7roh
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on October 08, 2024, 01:27:44 pm
That link only shows that the file has been deleted.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on October 08, 2024, 12:51:47 pm
Can you please show us the redacted contract they have provided?

They have not provided the full contract they have provided a 'Contract Variation Form' where it was modified to   include a new restriction for 'Motorcycles only in the motorcycle bays'. It has also been redacted

Uploaded here - https://file.io/cvacWBZVIzQW
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: DWMB2 on October 08, 2024, 12:42:50 pm
Can you please show us the redacted contract they have provided?
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on October 08, 2024, 12:37:09 pm
Have they rebutted all your points? Read and try and understand the appeal points made in your appeal. Go through each one and see if the reason

1. You state that no contract was formed for the reasons given. Have they rebutted that point and explained how a contract was formed through that sign? Just because there is sign, does not mean that it was sufficient to form a contract. As the sign fails to meet the requirements of a valid contract formation, any claim for a breach of contract is unfounded.

2. Have they explained how the parking charge of £100 is "adequately" brought to the attention of the driver? According to PoFA, Schedule 4, Paragraph 2(3)(b)(ii), “adequate notice” means that the parking charge must be prominently displayed and adequately brought to the attention of the driver at the time the vehicle is parked. This includes making the charge clear on all relevant signage. If any requirement of PoFA is omitted, then the Keeper cannot be liable. Have they explained why the Keeper is liable in light of the failure to comply with PoFA 2(3)(b)(ii)?

3. As the NtK is not fully compliant with PoFA, has the operator provided any evidence that the Keeper was the driver?

4. Has the operator explained why they are not in breach of the BPA Code of Practice, Section 18.3? Is the sign conspicuous and legible, and written in intelligible language, so that it is easy to see, read, and understand? The Code requires that any parking charges, such as the charge for breaching terms and conditions, “must be in a font size large enough to be easily seen, read, and understood by drivers.” Is it? Has the operator rebutted the fact that it isn't?

The BPA Code further specifies that important information, such as the parking charge, must be easily distinguishable from other text and must not be hidden in smaller print. UKPC’s signage fails to meet this requirement, and the £100 charge is not made conspicuous to the driver, in clear breach of Section 18.4. Has that point been rebutted?

5. Have they provided an unredacted copy of the contract that flows from the landowner that permits UKPC to operate and issue PCNs or have they simply said that they have one or just shown a signed statement saying they do? How do you know that the actual contract is still valid? Simply saying that if they didn't have a valid contract then the landowner would not permit them to operate there is not evidence a valid contract exists. There are numerous cases of operators continuing to operate without a valid contract.

So, unless each point has been rebutted satisfactorily, you simply point out that, irrespective of what UKPC has submitted, they are required to show that each point made by you is incorrect or not valid. Failure by them to counter any single point made in your appeal is grounds for POPLA to dismiss the PCN as will have been issued incorrectly.

Put together your proposed response based on the advice above and we'll check it.


All your points are valid, from what I've read in the documents they have provided, they have not fully answered the points I raised in the POPLA appeal.

They have not provided the full contract they have provided a 'Contract Variation Form' where it was modified to   include a new restriction for 'Motorcycles only in the motorcycle bays'. It has also been redacted

The case summary from UKPC states the following...

The appellant could have found alternative parking space so that they would be able
to park within a non motorcycle bay and avoid a PCN. Instead, they chose to park in
a manner which was not in compliance with the parking contract, and therefore
accepted he could potentially receive a PCN. Ultimately, it is the motorist’s
responsibility to comply with the terms and conditions of the car park.

The signage in place sets out the terms and conditions of this contract. Therefore,
upon entry to the car park, it is the duty of the motorist to ensure they review the
terms and conditions, and comply with them, when deciding to park. If a motorist is
unable to comply, does not understand or disagrees with the terms, they should not
accept the contract by parking, or they will be liable for the PCN as stated on the
signage.

Keeper Liability - Following the parking event, UKPC had reasonable cause to obtain
the details of the registered keeper so that a parking charge notice could be issued
by post. A copy of this notice is included in this case summary, dated 15/07/2024.
Issued 5 days after the date of the parking event (where a Notice to Driver was not
served), the parking charge notice complies fully with paragraph 9 of Schedule 4 of
the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 in permitting the registered keeper to be held
liable to pay this unpaid parking charge.

Contract – The contract between UK Parking Control Ltd and the landowner (or
their managing agent) authorising UKPC to provide parking management, and
therefore issue parking charges to vehicles breaching the terms of parking, is
confidential and we are unable to provide a copy for reasons of commercial
sensitivity.

We have however provided a redacted copy, with sensitive information covered.
The redacted contract confirms our authority in an ongoing agreement. If
neither party terminates the contract, as in this case, the contract will continue on a
rolling basis. We have provided the T&C’s in relation to the rolling contract.

UKPC must maintain a consistent approach when issuing and upholding a charge. In
this instance, this vehicle had been parked on site in direct breach of the terms and
conditions of parking on site as stated on signage.
The vehicle was parked in close proximity to UKPC signage, please see all photographic evidence to support this.

UK Parking Control signage complies fully with section 18 of the British Parking
Association Code of Practice and we reject the suggestion that it is vague or
misleading.

Entrance signage advises motorists that terms of parking apply, and that
notices within the car park should be checked to identify the full terms and
conditions. These notices are placed throughout the car park. It is ultimately the
responsibility of the motorist to ensure they identify the terms of parking, and then
decide whether to park their vehicle, or leave the site if they are unable to meet
those terms.

The parking charges issued by UK Parking Control Limited are based on a
contractual agreement between UKPC and the driver, as detailed on the signage
displayed in the car park. The signage states the terms and conditions of parking and
explains that a parking charge will be payable if the terms are not met by the driver.
We ensure that signage is ample, clear and visible, wholly in line with the British
Parking Association Code of Practice. It is settled law that a driver is deemed to
have accepted the terms and conditions of parking by the act of parking and leaving
a vehicle.

Ultimately, it is fundamentally the responsibility of the motorist to identify the terms
of parking when leaving their vehicle on private land. If they feel they are unable to
adhere to the terms, they may leave the site before agreeing to those terms.
There are sufficient signs advising drivers that parking in a Motorcycle Bay may
result in a parking charge being issued. The vehicle is parked in a Motorcycle Bay; consequently, the parking charge was issued correctly
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on October 02, 2024, 12:45:31 pm
Have they rebutted all your points? Read and try and understand the appeal points made in your appeal. Go through each one and see if the reason

1. You state that no contract was formed for the reasons given. Have they rebutted that point and explained how a contract was formed through that sign? Just because there is sign, does not mean that it was sufficient to form a contract. As the sign fails to meet the requirements of a valid contract formation, any claim for a breach of contract is unfounded.

2. Have they explained how the parking charge of £100 is "adequately" brought to the attention of the driver? According to PoFA, Schedule 4, Paragraph 2(3)(b)(ii), “adequate notice” means that the parking charge must be prominently displayed and adequately brought to the attention of the driver at the time the vehicle is parked. This includes making the charge clear on all relevant signage. If any requirement of PoFA is omitted, then the Keeper cannot be liable. Have they explained why the Keeper is liable in light of the failure to comply with PoFA 2(3)(b)(ii)?

3. As the NtK is not fully compliant with PoFA, has the operator provided any evidence that the Keeper was the driver?

4. Has the operator explained why they are not in breach of the BPA Code of Practice, Section 18.3? Is the sign conspicuous and legible, and written in intelligible language, so that it is easy to see, read, and understand? The Code requires that any parking charges, such as the charge for breaching terms and conditions, “must be in a font size large enough to be easily seen, read, and understood by drivers.” Is it? Has the operator rebutted the fact that it isn't?

The BPA Code further specifies that important information, such as the parking charge, must be easily distinguishable from other text and must not be hidden in smaller print. UKPC’s signage fails to meet this requirement, and the £100 charge is not made conspicuous to the driver, in clear breach of Section 18.4. Has that point been rebutted?

5. Have they provided an unredacted copy of the contract that flows from the landowner that permits UKPC to operate and issue PCNs or have they simply said that they have one or just shown a signed statement saying they do? How do you know that the actual contract is still valid? Simply saying that if they didn't have a valid contract then the landowner would not permit them to operate there is not evidence a valid contract exists. There are numerous cases of operators continuing to operate without a valid contract.

So, unless each point has been rebutted satisfactorily, you simply point out that, irrespective of what UKPC has submitted, they are required to show that each point made by you is incorrect or not valid. Failure by them to counter any single point made in your appeal is grounds for POPLA to dismiss the PCN as will have been issued incorrectly.

Put together your proposed response based on the advice above and we'll check it.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: DWMB2 on October 02, 2024, 11:52:17 am
Read through their evidence pack thoroughly - if you want any specifics then ask us, but some general advice for the comments stage:

Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on October 02, 2024, 11:34:00 am
Received an email from POPLA where the operator has uploaded various images of the signage around the car park, contract and further images of the car with the signage being right in front of the car showing its a motorcycle bay.

POPLA have requested a response from me, what do I say?
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on October 01, 2024, 06:42:15 pm
Other

Submitted! many thanks :)
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on October 01, 2024, 06:37:33 pm
Other
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on October 01, 2024, 06:36:55 pm
Should I submit the POPLA appeal under 'other' or 'I was not the driver or the registered keeper of the vehicle at the time of the alleged improper parking'?
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on October 01, 2024, 05:02:14 pm
Here is a slightly modified version that may help you a bit better (I think):

Quote
POPLA Verification Code: [Verification Code]
UKPC PCN Number: [PCN Number]
Re: Appeal against UKPC Parking Charge Notice

I am the registered keeper of vehicle XXX and am writing to appeal the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by UKPC on XXX at XXX. This appeal is based on the following detailed grounds, which demonstrate that the charge is invalid, unfair, and unenforceable:

1. Inadequate and Unclear Signage – No Contract Formed
For a valid contract to be formed between the driver and UKPC, there must be clear offer, acceptance, and consideration. However, the signage at the location fails to meet the necessary requirements to form a contract:

No Clear Offer:
The signage at the site does not clearly convey the terms and conditions of parking, which is a fundamental requirement for a contract. The parking charge of £100 is buried within a wall of text, making it almost impossible for any driver to understand that they are entering into a contract that includes such a penalty. Additionally, the signage is poorly positioned and not conspicuous, meaning a driver could enter the site without being aware of the terms.

No Valid Acceptance:
As the offer was unclear, the driver cannot be said to have accepted the terms. Acceptance requires full awareness of the terms of the contract, which could not have been achieved due to the inadequate signage.

No Consideration:
If the parking charge is not sufficiently communicated, there can be no exchange of consideration. The driver could not have knowingly agreed to pay a penalty they were unaware of. Therefore, no valid contract was formed between the driver and UKPC.

As the signage fails to meet the requirements of a valid contract formation, any claim for a breach of contract is unfounded.

2. No Keeper Liability – Non-Compliance with PoFA 2012
UKPC has failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, Schedule 4, which means that they cannot transfer liability for the alleged parking charge from the driver to the keeper.

According to PoFA, Schedule 4, Paragraph 2(3)(b)(ii), “adequate notice” means that the parking charge must be prominently displayed and adequately brought to the attention of the driver at the time the vehicle is parked. This includes making the charge clear on all relevant signage.

No Prominent Display of the Parking Charge:
The parking charge of £100 is not displayed in a manner that complies with PoFA’s requirements. It is hidden in small text within a larger block of information, making it impossible for a reasonable person to be aware of it. In comparison, the signage in ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 prominently displayed the charge in large, bold text. UKPC's signage does not meet this standard, meaning the parking charge was not adequately brought to the attention of the driver.

Given the failure to comply with PoFA Schedule 4, UKPC cannot hold the registered keeper liable. This PCN is therefore not enforceable against the keeper of the vehicle.

3. No Evidence That the Keeper is the Driver – Burden of Proof
As UKPC has failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, they cannot transfer liability to the keeper. Therefore, the operator is put to strict proof that the person they are pursuing is the driver of the vehicle on the date of the alleged contravention.

UKPC is required to provide evidence that the keeper of the vehicle was also the driver. They cannot simply assume or infer that the keeper and driver are the same person. Mere assumptions are not sufficient grounds for liability.

In the absence of clear, compelling evidence that the registered keeper was the driver at the time, UKPC has no legal basis to pursue this charge. Therefore, I put UKPC to strict proof that the person they are pursuing was indeed the driver. Failing this, the charge must be cancelled.

4. Failure to Comply with BPA Code of Practice
UKPC, as a member of the British Parking Association (BPA), must comply with its Code of Practice (CoP). Several breaches of this Code have occurred in this case:

Section 18.1 – Clear and Prominent Entrance Signs:
The BPA Code of Practice requires that entrance signs clearly convey that the car park is managed and that terms and conditions apply. In this case, the signage at the entrance was inadequate and did not provide a clear indication of any charges. This means that no contract could have been formed upon entry, as the driver would not have been informed of the essential terms governing their use of the site.

Section 18.3 – Prominent Display of the Parking Charge:
The BPA Code of Practice, Section 18.3, specifically states that signs “must be conspicuous and legible, and written in intelligible language, so that they are easy to see, read, and understand.” Furthermore, the Code requires that any parking charges, such as the charge for breaching terms and conditions, “must be in a font size large enough to be easily seen, read, and understood by drivers.”

The signage provided by UKPC does not comply with this requirement. The charge of £100 is buried within a block of small text and does not stand out. It is not “obvious” as required under BPA CoP Section 18.3. This failure to make the charge clear and prominent invalidates the assumption that the driver entered into a contract and accepted the parking charge.

(https://i.imgur.com/9QlqeDB.jpeg)

Section 18.4 – Contrast and Positioning of the Signage:
The BPA Code further specifies that important information, such as the parking charge, must be easily distinguishable from other text and must not be hidden in smaller print. UKPC’s signage fails to meet this requirement, and the £100 charge is not made conspicuous to the driver, in clear breach of Section 18.4.

5. No Evidence of Landholder Authority
UKPC is required to provide strict proof that they have the authority to issue parking charges on this land. As a third-party operator, UKPC must demonstrate that they have a valid contract with the landholder, giving them the right to manage parking and pursue charges in their own name.

I request that UKPC produce an unredacted copy of their contract with the landholder, demonstrating that they have the legal authority to issue PCNs and enforce parking charges. This contract should clearly outline:

- The boundaries of the land they are authorised to manage.
- The restrictions and conditions on parking enforcement.
- Who is responsible for signage and its maintenance.

If UKPC cannot provide this evidence, they have no legal grounds to issue or enforce this PCN.

Conclusion
In light of the above points, it is clear that:

UKPC failed to form a valid contract with the driver due to inadequate and unclear signage.
UKPC cannot transfer liability to the keeper as they have not complied with PoFA.
UKPC has no evidence that the registered keeper was the driver.
UKPC’s signage does not comply with the BPA Code of Practice.
UKPC has not provided evidence of their authority to issue parking charges on the land.

Given these significant failings, I request that POPLA uphold my appeal and instruct UKPC to cancel the Parking Charge Notice.


Fantastic, many thanks, much appreciated!

Will submit the POLA appeal now, will keep you all posted on the outcome!
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on October 01, 2024, 03:25:21 pm
Here is a slightly modified version that may help you a bit better (I think):

Quote
POPLA Verification Code: [Verification Code]
UKPC PCN Number: [PCN Number]
Re: Appeal against UKPC Parking Charge Notice

I am the registered keeper of vehicle XXX and am writing to appeal the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by UKPC on XXX at XXX. This appeal is based on the following detailed grounds, which demonstrate that the charge is invalid, unfair, and unenforceable:

1. Inadequate and Unclear Signage – No Contract Formed
For a valid contract to be formed between the driver and UKPC, there must be clear offer, acceptance, and consideration. However, the signage at the location fails to meet the necessary requirements to form a contract:

No Clear Offer:
The signage at the site does not clearly convey the terms and conditions of parking, which is a fundamental requirement for a contract. The parking charge of £100 is buried within a wall of text, making it almost impossible for any driver to understand that they are entering into a contract that includes such a penalty. Additionally, the signage is poorly positioned and not conspicuous, meaning a driver could enter the site without being aware of the terms.

No Valid Acceptance:
As the offer was unclear, the driver cannot be said to have accepted the terms. Acceptance requires full awareness of the terms of the contract, which could not have been achieved due to the inadequate signage.

No Consideration:
If the parking charge is not sufficiently communicated, there can be no exchange of consideration. The driver could not have knowingly agreed to pay a penalty they were unaware of. Therefore, no valid contract was formed between the driver and UKPC.

As the signage fails to meet the requirements of a valid contract formation, any claim for a breach of contract is unfounded.

2. No Keeper Liability – Non-Compliance with PoFA 2012
UKPC has failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, Schedule 4, which means that they cannot transfer liability for the alleged parking charge from the driver to the keeper.

According to PoFA, Schedule 4, Paragraph 2(3)(b)(ii), “adequate notice” means that the parking charge must be prominently displayed and adequately brought to the attention of the driver at the time the vehicle is parked. This includes making the charge clear on all relevant signage.

No Prominent Display of the Parking Charge:
The parking charge of £100 is not displayed in a manner that complies with PoFA’s requirements. It is hidden in small text within a larger block of information, making it impossible for a reasonable person to be aware of it. In comparison, the signage in ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 prominently displayed the charge in large, bold text. UKPC's signage does not meet this standard, meaning the parking charge was not adequately brought to the attention of the driver.

Given the failure to comply with PoFA Schedule 4, UKPC cannot hold the registered keeper liable. This PCN is therefore not enforceable against the keeper of the vehicle.

3. No Evidence That the Keeper is the Driver – Burden of Proof
As UKPC has failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, they cannot transfer liability to the keeper. Therefore, the operator is put to strict proof that the person they are pursuing is the driver of the vehicle on the date of the alleged contravention.

UKPC is required to provide evidence that the keeper of the vehicle was also the driver. They cannot simply assume or infer that the keeper and driver are the same person. Mere assumptions are not sufficient grounds for liability.

In the absence of clear, compelling evidence that the registered keeper was the driver at the time, UKPC has no legal basis to pursue this charge. Therefore, I put UKPC to strict proof that the person they are pursuing was indeed the driver. Failing this, the charge must be cancelled.

4. Failure to Comply with BPA Code of Practice
UKPC, as a member of the British Parking Association (BPA), must comply with its Code of Practice (CoP). Several breaches of this Code have occurred in this case:

Section 18.1 – Clear and Prominent Entrance Signs:
The BPA Code of Practice requires that entrance signs clearly convey that the car park is managed and that terms and conditions apply. In this case, the signage at the entrance was inadequate and did not provide a clear indication of any charges. This means that no contract could have been formed upon entry, as the driver would not have been informed of the essential terms governing their use of the site.

Section 18.3 – Prominent Display of the Parking Charge:
The BPA Code of Practice, Section 18.3, specifically states that signs “must be conspicuous and legible, and written in intelligible language, so that they are easy to see, read, and understand.” Furthermore, the Code requires that any parking charges, such as the charge for breaching terms and conditions, “must be in a font size large enough to be easily seen, read, and understood by drivers.”

The signage provided by UKPC does not comply with this requirement. The charge of £100 is buried within a block of small text and does not stand out. It is not “obvious” as required under BPA CoP Section 18.3. This failure to make the charge clear and prominent invalidates the assumption that the driver entered into a contract and accepted the parking charge.

(https://i.imgur.com/9QlqeDB.jpeg)

Section 18.4 – Contrast and Positioning of the Signage:
The BPA Code further specifies that important information, such as the parking charge, must be easily distinguishable from other text and must not be hidden in smaller print. UKPC’s signage fails to meet this requirement, and the £100 charge is not made conspicuous to the driver, in clear breach of Section 18.4.

5. No Evidence of Landholder Authority
UKPC is required to provide strict proof that they have the authority to issue parking charges on this land. As a third-party operator, UKPC must demonstrate that they have a valid contract with the landholder, giving them the right to manage parking and pursue charges in their own name.

I request that UKPC produce an unredacted copy of their contract with the landholder, demonstrating that they have the legal authority to issue PCNs and enforce parking charges. This contract should clearly outline:

- The boundaries of the land they are authorised to manage.
- The restrictions and conditions on parking enforcement.
- Who is responsible for signage and its maintenance.

If UKPC cannot provide this evidence, they have no legal grounds to issue or enforce this PCN.

Conclusion
In light of the above points, it is clear that:

UKPC failed to form a valid contract with the driver due to inadequate and unclear signage.
UKPC cannot transfer liability to the keeper as they have not complied with PoFA.
UKPC has no evidence that the registered keeper was the driver.
UKPC’s signage does not comply with the BPA Code of Practice.
UKPC has not provided evidence of their authority to issue parking charges on the land.

Given these significant failings, I request that POPLA uphold my appeal and instruct UKPC to cancel the Parking Charge Notice.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on October 01, 2024, 02:30:10 pm
The attempt above is not a POPLA appeal. It is simply an operator appeal and should not be used.

The NtK is basically PoFA compliant. So no point going on about that. The only PoFA point that I can see that could be argued is the fact the the charge for breaching the terms is not adequately brought to the attention of the driver.

That is why I gave you the sign comparison images. PoFA 2(3)(b)(ii) is the bit that applies. You’ll have to look it up yourself and try to explain it to the POPLA assessor. They are quite moronic when it comes to understanding the minutae of PoFA so is not likely to help much at this stage.

You appear to be overly worrying about this appeal. If it is not successful, it is no big deal. It has no bearing on anything going forward. This would end up as court claim and if the advice is followed, has a greater than 99.9% of being discontinued.

I've removed point 2 and added more details on point 1 - is there anything else I should add or remove?


POPLA Verification Code: [Verification Code]
UKPC PCN Number: [PCN Number]
Re: Appeal against UKPC Parking Charge Notice
I am the registered keeper of vehicle XXX and am writing to appeal the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by UKPC on XXX at XXX. This appeal is based on the following detailed grounds, which demonstrate that the charge is invalid, unfair, and unenforceable.

1. Inadequate and Unclear Signage – No Contract Formed
The signage at the location in question is insufficient to form a contract between UKPC and the driver. The signs must comply with the BPA Code of Practice, Section 18 and Appendix B, to adequately inform the driver of the terms and conditions.
Issues with Signage:
1. Lack of Prominent and Clear Signage:
Signs must be prominently displayed and easily readable. The signage at the site is obscured, too high, or positioned in such a way that it cannot be seen or read by a driver entering the car park. This contravenes the BPA Code, which states that terms must be clear and legible.

2. Small and Inadequate Font Size:
The terms are in small print, making it impossible for a driver to read them without stopping and getting out of the vehicle. This is particularly problematic for any clauses that might impose a penalty. According to the "Red Hand Rule," established in J. Spurling Ltd v Bradshaw [1956], terms that seek to impose a significant detriment or penalty must be displayed in a particularly clear and prominent manner. In this case, the terms were not prominently highlighted, akin to the "red hand" standard mentioned by Lord Denning, which requires that any unusual or onerous terms be drawn to the attention of the other party in a conspicuous manner.

The notice does not conform to the PoFA or the BPA COP:
The PoFA states:
(2)The reference in the definition of “parking charge” to a sum in the nature of damages is to a sum of which adequate notice was given to drivers of vehicles (when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land).

(3)For the purposes of sub-paragraph (2) “adequate notice” means notice given by—

(a)the display of one or more notices in accordance with any applicable requirements prescribed in regulations under paragraph 12 for, or for purposes including, the purposes of sub-paragraph (2); or

(b)where no such requirements apply, the display of one or more notices which—

(i)specify the sum as the charge for unauthorised parking; and

(ii)are adequate to bring the charge to the notice of drivers who park vehicles on the relevant land.
The sum is hidden in a wall of text on the UKPC notice.
The BPA COP specifically makes reference to the above:
19.4 If you intend to use the keeper liability provisions in Schedule 4
of POFA 2012, your signs must give ’adequate notice’. This
includes:
• specifying the sum payable for unauthorised parking
• adequately bringing the charges to the attention of
drivers, and
• following any applicable government signage
regulations.
See paragraphs 2(2), 2(3) and 12 of the Schedule
20.4 If you want to enforce a parking charge notice under the
keeper liability provisions of POFA 2012 you will need to
show how you brought the requirement to pay parking
charges to the attention of drivers. See paragraphs 2 (2)
and (3) of Schedule 4.

***ADD BEAVIS IMAGE AND UKPC PCN SIGN****

2. Failure to Comply with BPA Code of Practice
UKPC is a member of the BPA and must adhere to its Code of Practice. Multiple sections of the Code have been breached in this case:
4.1. Section 18.1 – Entrance Signs
- The BPA Code of Practice mandates that entrance signs must clearly indicate that the car park is managed and that terms and conditions apply. No such signs were visible at the entrance to this car park, which means no contract could be formed upon entry.
4.2. Section 13 – Grace Periods
- The BPA Code requires a reasonable grace period for drivers to read the terms and decide whether to stay and another grace period to leave. The PCN issued does not reflect that the driver was allowed any grace period to comply with these terms.
4.3. Section 20.5 – Complaints Procedure:
- UKPC must have an accessible and clear complaints procedure. The correspondence provided did not offer information on how to file a complaint about this unfair charge.

3. No Evidence of Landholder Authority
The operator is also put to strict proof, by means of contemporaneous and unredacted evidence, of a chain of authority flowing from the landholder of the "relevant land" to the operator. It is not accepted that the operator has adhered to the landholder's definitions, exemptions, grace period, hours of operation, etc. and any instructions to cancel charges due to complaints. There is no evidence that the freeholder authorises this operator to issue parking charges or what the land enforcement boundary and start/expiry dates are, nor whether this operator has standing to enforce such charges in their own name rather than a bare licence to act as an agent ‘on behalf of’ the landowner.
The operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice. As this operator does not have proprietary interest in the “relevant land” then I require that they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the landowner. The contract and any 'site agreement' or 'User Manual' setting out details including exemptions - such as any 'genuine customer' or 'genuine resident' exemptions or any site occupier's 'right of veto' charge cancellation rights - is key evidence to define what this operator is authorised to do and any circumstances where the landowner/firms on site in fact have a right to cancellation of a charge. It cannot be assumed, just because an agent is contracted to merely put some signs up and issue Parking Charge Notices, that the agent is also authorised to make contracts with all or any category of visiting drivers and/or to enforce the charge in court in their own name (legal action regarding land use disputes generally being a matter for a landowner only). Witness statements are not sound evidence of the above, often being pre-signed, generic documents not even identifying the case in hand or even the site rules.
A witness statement might in some cases be accepted by POPLA but in this case I suggest it is unlikely to sufficiently evidence the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement. Nor would it define vital information such as charging days/times, any exemption clauses, grace periods (which I believe may be longer than the bare minimum times set out in the BPA CoP) and basic information such as the land boundary and bays where enforcement applies/does not apply.
Not forgetting evidence of the various restrictions which the landowner has authorised can give rise to a charge and, of course, how much the landowner authorises this agent to charge (which cannot be assumed to be the sum on a sign because template private parking terms and sums have been known not to match the actual landowner agreement). Paragraph 7 of the BPA Code of Practice defines the mandatory requirements and I put this operator to strict proof of full compliance:
7.2 If the operator wishes to take legal action on any outstanding parking charges, they must ensure that they have the written authority of the landowner (or their appointed agent) prior to legal action being taken.
7.3 The written authorisation must also set out:
(a) the definition of the land on which you may operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly defined
(b) any conditions or restrictions on parking control and enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of operation
(c) any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and enforcement
(d) who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining signs
(e) the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement

4. No Contract Formed – Offer, Acceptance, and Consideration
For a contract to be formed, there must be an offer, acceptance, and consideration. In this case, these elements are not present:
1. Offer: The terms and conditions must be clearly communicated through signage, which they were not. As such, there was no valid offer made to the driver.
2. Acceptance: without being aware of the terms due to inadequate signage, the driver could not have accepted them.
3. Consideration: If no payment is required or has been made, there is no consideration. This lack of consideration means that no contract was formed between UKPC and the driver.

Conclusion
Based on the above points, it is evident that UKPC has failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, the BPA Code of Practice, and the basic principles of contract law. The signage is inadequate, no valid contract was formed, and there are multiple breaches of the Code. Therefore, I respectfully request that this appeal be upheld, and the Parking Charge Notice be cancelled.
Thank you for your consideration.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on October 01, 2024, 11:53:07 am
The attempt above is not a POPLA appeal. It is simply an operator appeal and should not be used.

The NtK is basically PoFA compliant. So no point going on about that. The only PoFA point that I can see that could be argued is the fact the the charge for breaching the terms is not adequately brought to the attention of the driver.

That is why I gave you the sign comparison images. PoFA 2(3)(b)(ii) is the bit that applies. You’ll have to look it up yourself and try to explain it to the POPLA assessor. They are quite moronic when it comes to understanding the minutae of PoFA so is not likely to help much at this stage.

You appear to be overly worrying about this appeal. If it is not successful, it is no big deal. It has no bearing on anything going forward. This would end up as court claim and if the advice is followed, has a greater than 99.9% of being discontinued.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: dave-o on October 01, 2024, 11:44:51 am
Please do wait for feedback from the more experienced members, but the above is intended to be sent to a PPC, and as such is quite informal and combative.  An appeal to POPLA should be more formal.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on October 01, 2024, 11:18:49 am
Found this, is this okay for point 2?


I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Horizon has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. Horizon have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on October 01, 2024, 10:02:02 am
If point 2 re PoFA compliance does not hold any water, happy to remove it
It's not that point #2 doesn't hold any water, it's that it doesn't advance a ground of appeal on its own. All it does is point out that neither UKPC nor the POPLA assessor reading the appeal know who the driver is, and that it would be unacceptable to make any assumptions as to the driver's identity without any evidence to support them.

This is a useful point to make, if you are also claiming that UKPC's notice does not comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act, meaning that they are unable to recover the charges from the keeper. But your current draft doesn't make any claims about a lack of PoFA compliance.


I've looked high and low to find the information to support point 2 on this forum and on MSE with no luck :(

Just a reminder, the keeper paid for parking but did not realise they had parked in a motorcycle bay, hence UKPC issuing a PCN

Can any kindly supply the information that I require to support my appeal? the POPLA deadline is today :(
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: DWMB2 on September 29, 2024, 11:11:27 pm
If point 2 re PoFA compliance does not hold any water, happy to remove it
It's not that point #2 doesn't hold any water, it's that it doesn't advance a ground of appeal on its own. All it does is point out that neither UKPC nor the POPLA assessor reading the appeal know who the driver is, and that it would be unacceptable to make any assumptions as to the driver's identity without any evidence to support them.

This is a useful point to make, if you are also claiming that UKPC's notice does not comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act, meaning that they are unable to recover the charges from the keeper. But your current draft doesn't make any claims about a lack of PoFA compliance.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on September 29, 2024, 07:50:18 pm
You still haven't explained why the NtK is not PoFA compliant or why PoFA cannot apply. Simply rambling on about PoFA and Keeper liability does not show why your PCN does not comply with PoFA (assuming it doesn't and I can't be bothered to go back through the thread to see whether it des or not).

The Harry Greenslade commentary only highlights why there can be no inference or assumption that the Keeper must also be the driver. You need to specifically enlighten the POPLA assessor why they cannot rely on PoFA in your case. If the NtK is fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA, then you can be held liable as the Keeper if the drivers identity is not known.

Also, your references to the BPA CoP do not make any sense, at least in the version I am looking at. Version 9, January 2024 (https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/NEW%20Redesigned%20Documents/Version91.2.2024Highlight.pdf) is the one you should be looking at.

There is no "grace" period before parking. Only an "consideration period" and that is not added to the time allowed once the contract has been accepted by parking.


If point 2 re PoFA compliance does not hold any water, happy to remove it, shall I also remove point 5?
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on September 29, 2024, 07:19:51 pm
You still haven't explained why the NtK is not PoFA compliant or why PoFA cannot apply. Simply rambling on about PoFA and Keeper liability does not show why your PCN does not comply with PoFA (assuming it doesn't and I can't be bothered to go back through the thread to see whether it des or not).

The Harry Greenslade commentary only highlights why there can be no inference or assumption that the Keeper must also be the driver. You need to specifically enlighten the POPLA assessor why they cannot rely on PoFA in your case. If the NtK is fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA, then you can be held liable as the Keeper if the drivers identity is not known.

Also, your references to the BPA CoP do not make any sense, at least in the version I am looking at. Version 9, January 2024 (https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/NEW%20Redesigned%20Documents/Version91.2.2024Highlight.pdf) is the one you should be looking at.

There is no "grace" period before parking. Only an "consideration period" and that is not added to the time allowed once the contract has been accepted by parking.

Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on September 29, 2024, 06:35:39 pm
What part of PoFA hasn’t been complied with? You can’t just say it isn’t PoFA compliant. You have to explain why it isn’t.

Signs are going to be a lot more likely to win rather than landowner authority.

The example of the signs I provided is just that, an example. You will need your own photo of a sign from the actual location.

Pre estimate of loss is not relevant to POPLA. They couldn’t care about that. Ot is for a claim defence. POPLA are only interested if the PCN was issued correctly.


I've re-ordered the appeal, issue with signs I've put at the top, I will add the Beavis image and the image from UKPC when I submit the appeal

Pre-estimate of loss I have removed, and I've updated Keeper liability PoFA

Please let me know if this is okay to submit, many thanks!





POPLA Verification Code: [Verification Code]
UKPC PCN Number: [PCN Number]
Re: Appeal against UKPC Parking Charge Notice

I am the registered keeper of vehicle XXX and am writing to appeal the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by UKPC on XXX at XXX. This appeal is based on the following detailed grounds, which demonstrate that the charge is invalid, unfair, and unenforceable.

1. Inadequate and Unclear Signage – No Contract Formed
The signage at the location in question is insufficient to form a contract between UKPC and the driver. The signs must comply with the BPA Code of Practice, Section 18 and Appendix B, to adequately inform the driver of the terms and conditions.
Issues with Signage:
1. Lack of Prominent and Clear Signage:
Signs must be prominently displayed and easily readable. The signage at the site is obscured, too high, or positioned in such a way that it cannot be seen or read by a driver entering the car park. This contravenes the BPA Code, which states that terms must be clear and legible.

2. Small and Inadequate Font Size:
The terms are in small print, making it impossible for a driver to read them without stopping and getting out of the vehicle. This is particularly problematic for any clauses that might impose a penalty. According to the "Red Hand Rule," established in J. Spurling Ltd v Bradshaw [1956], terms that seek to impose a significant detriment or penalty must be displayed in a particularly clear and prominent manner. In this case, the terms were not prominently highlighted, akin to the "red hand" standard mentioned by Lord Denning, which requires that any unusual or onerous terms be drawn to the attention of the other party in a conspicuous manner.


***ADD BEAVIS IMAGE AND UKPC PCN SIGN****

2. The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact liable for the charge

In cases with a keeper appellant, yet no POFA 'keeper liability' to rely upon, POPLA must consider whether they are confident that the Assessor knows who the driver is, based on the evidence received. 
Where a charge is aimed only at a driver, of course, no other party can be made to pay. There has been no admission regarding who was driving, and no evidence has been produced to indicate who it was. XXX is exercising its right not to name that person as it has done throughout.  XXX cannot lawfully be held liable if an operator is not using or complying with Schedule 4. This applies regardless of when the first appeal was made because the fact remains that XXX is the keeper and ONLY Schedule 4 of the POFA (or evidence of who was driving) can cause a keeper appellant to be deemed to be the liable party.
Furthermore, the vital matter of full compliance with the POFA 2012 was confirmed by parking law expert barrister, Henry Greenslade, the previous POPLA Lead Adjudicator, in 2015:
“Understanding keeper liability
There appears to be continuing misunderstanding about Schedule 4. Provided certain conditions are strictly complied with, it provides for recovery of unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.
There is no ‘reasonable presumption’ in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort. Further, a failure by the recipient of a notice issued under Schedule 4 to name the driver, does not of itself mean that the recipient has accepted that they were the driver at the material time. Unlike, for example, a Notice of Intended Prosecution where details of the driver of a vehicle must be supplied when requested by the police, pursuant to Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, a keeper sent a Schedule 4 notice has no legal obligation to name the driver. [...] If [POFA 2012 Schedule 4 is] not complied with then keeper liability does not generally pass."

3. Failure to Comply with BPA Code of Practice
UKPC is a member of the BPA and must adhere to its Code of Practice. Multiple sections of the Code have been breached in this case:
4.1. Section 18.1 – Entrance Signs
- The BPA Code of Practice mandates that entrance signs must clearly indicate that the car park is managed and that terms and conditions apply. No such signs were visible at the entrance to this car park, which means no contract could be formed upon entry.
4.2. Section 13 – Grace Periods
- The BPA Code requires a reasonable grace period for drivers to read the terms and decide whether to stay and another grace period to leave. The PCN issued does not reflect that the driver was allowed any grace period to comply with these terms.
4.3. Section 20.5 – Complaints Procedure:
- UKPC must have an accessible and clear complaints procedure. The correspondence provided did not offer information on how to file a complaint about this unfair charge.

4. No Evidence of Landholder Authority
The operator is also put to strict proof, by means of contemporaneous and unredacted evidence, of a chain of authority flowing from the landholder of the "relevant land" to the operator. It is not accepted that the operator has adhered to the landholder's definitions, exemptions, grace period, hours of operation, etc. and any instructions to cancel charges due to complaints. There is no evidence that the freeholder authorises this operator to issue parking charges or what the land enforcement boundary and start/expiry dates are, nor whether this operator has standing to enforce such charges in their own name rather than a bare licence to act as an agent ‘on behalf of’ the landowner.
The operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice. As this operator does not have proprietary interest in the “relevant land” then I require that they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the landowner. The contract and any 'site agreement' or 'User Manual' setting out details including exemptions - such as any 'genuine customer' or 'genuine resident' exemptions or any site occupier's 'right of veto' charge cancellation rights - is key evidence to define what this operator is authorised to do and any circumstances where the landowner/firms on site in fact have a right to cancellation of a charge. It cannot be assumed, just because an agent is contracted to merely put some signs up and issue Parking Charge Notices, that the agent is also authorised to make contracts with all or any category of visiting drivers and/or to enforce the charge in court in their own name (legal action regarding land use disputes generally being a matter for a landowner only). Witness statements are not sound evidence of the above, often being pre-signed, generic documents not even identifying the case in hand or even the site rules.
A witness statement might in some cases be accepted by POPLA but in this case I suggest it is unlikely to sufficiently evidence the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement. Nor would it define vital information such as charging days/times, any exemption clauses, grace periods (which I believe may be longer than the bare minimum times set out in the BPA CoP) and basic information such as the land boundary and bays where enforcement applies/does not apply.
Not forgetting evidence of the various restrictions which the landowner has authorised can give rise to a charge and, of course, how much the landowner authorises this agent to charge (which cannot be assumed to be the sum on a sign because template private parking terms and sums have been known not to match the actual landowner agreement). Paragraph 7 of the BPA Code of Practice defines the mandatory requirements and I put this operator to strict proof of full compliance:
7.2 If the operator wishes to take legal action on any outstanding parking charges, they must ensure that they have the written authority of the landowner (or their appointed agent) prior to legal action being taken.
7.3 The written authorisation must also set out:
(a) the definition of the land on which you may operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly defined
(b) any conditions or restrictions on parking control and enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of operation
(c) any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and enforcement
(d) who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining signs
(e) the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement

5. No Contract Formed – Offer, Acceptance, and Consideration
For a contract to be formed, there must be an offer, acceptance, and consideration. In this case, these elements are not present:
1. Offer: The terms and conditions must be clearly communicated through signage, which they were not. As such, there was no valid offer made to the driver.
2. Acceptance: without being aware of the terms due to inadequate signage, the driver could not have accepted them.
3. Consideration: If no payment is required or has been made, there is no consideration. This lack of consideration means that no contract was formed between UKPC and the driver.

Conclusion
Based on the above points, it is evident that UKPC has failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, the BPA Code of Practice, and the basic principles of contract law. The signage is inadequate, no valid contract was formed, and there are multiple breaches of the Code. Therefore, I respectfully request that this appeal be upheld, and the Parking Charge Notice be cancelled.
Thank you for your consideration.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on September 29, 2024, 01:04:53 am
What part of PoFA hasn’t been complied with? You can’t just say it isn’t PoFA compliant. You have to explain why it isn’t.

Signs are going to be a lot more likely to win rather than landowner authority.

The example of the signs I provided is just that, an example. You will need your own photo of a sign from the actual location.

Pre estimate of loss is not relevant to POPLA. They couldn’t care about that. Ot is for a claim defence. POPLA are only interested if the PCN was issued correctly.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on September 28, 2024, 06:12:22 pm
A lot of that will not interest POPLA and is more akin to a defence against a claim in the county court.

List all the points you intend to argue and then expand on each one after. Make sure that they follow a logical path and the most obvious and likely ones to be winners first.

For example, if you are going to argue no PoFA compliance, that would go just before no keeper liability and no evidence that the person being pursued is the driver. For UKPC, it is always going to be a problem with their signage as it never conforms to the BPA CoP requirements.

THe £100 charge is never adequately brought to the drivers attention. Use a phot of one the signs at the location and show it alongside the sign from the Beavis case pointing out the obvious difference in how the £100 charge is brought to the attention as in this example:

(https://i.imgur.com/VvJkpUi.jpeg)

Things such as landowner authority are not leading points. They are included only to either catch them out. So, leading with that is not advised. Also, there is a much longer landowner authority point in many of the newer recent POPLA appeals.


I've updated the appeal and the ordering, will add the Beavis image and UKPC PCN sign when I submit the appeal in section 3, should I leave sections 4, 5, and 6 in the appeal or omit?

POPLA Verification Code: [Verification Code]
UKPC PCN Number: [PCN Number]
Re: Appeal against UKPC Parking Charge Notice

I am the registered keeper of vehicle XXX and am writing to appeal the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by UKPC on XXX at XXX. This appeal is based on the following detailed grounds, which demonstrate that the charge is invalid, unfair, and unenforceable.

1. Non-compliance with Keeper Liability under PoFA

UKPC has not met the requirements for keeper liability under PoFA. As they have not fully complied with PoFA, they cannot hold the registered keeper liable for the alleged parking charge. Since the operator has failed to establish the driver’s identity and has not provided sufficient evidence to meet PoFA requirements, the liability cannot be transferred from the driver to the keeper.

2. No Evidence of Landholder Authority
The operator is also put to strict proof, by means of contemporaneous and unredacted evidence, of a chain of authority flowing from the landholder of the "relevant land" to the operator. It is not accepted that the operator has adhered to the landholder's definitions, exemptions, grace period, hours of operation, etc. and any instructions to cancel charges due to complaints. There is no evidence that the freeholder authorises this operator to issue parking charges or what the land enforcement boundary and start/expiry dates are, nor whether this operator has standing to enforce such charges in their own name rather than a bare licence to act as an agent ‘on behalf of’ the landowner.
The operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice. As this operator does not have proprietary interest in the “relevant land” then I require that they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the landowner. The contract and any 'site agreement' or 'User Manual' setting out details including exemptions - such as any 'genuine customer' or 'genuine resident' exemptions or any site occupier's 'right of veto' charge cancellation rights - is key evidence to define what this operator is authorised to do and any circumstances where the landowner/firms on site in fact have a right to cancellation of a charge. It cannot be assumed, just because an agent is contracted to merely put some signs up and issue Parking Charge Notices, that the agent is also authorised to make contracts with all or any category of visiting drivers and/or to enforce the charge in court in their own name (legal action regarding land use disputes generally being a matter for a landowner only). Witness statements are not sound evidence of the above, often being pre-signed, generic documents not even identifying the case in hand or even the site rules.
A witness statement might in some cases be accepted by POPLA but in this case I suggest it is unlikely to sufficiently evidence the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement. Nor would it define vital information such as charging days/times, any exemption clauses, grace periods (which I believe may be longer than the bare minimum times set out in the BPA CoP) and basic information such as the land boundary and bays where enforcement applies/does not apply.
Not forgetting evidence of the various restrictions which the landowner has authorised can give rise to a charge and, of course, how much the landowner authorises this agent to charge (which cannot be assumed to be the sum on a sign because template private parking terms and sums have been known not to match the actual landowner agreement). Paragraph 7 of the BPA Code of Practice defines the mandatory requirements and I put this operator to strict proof of full compliance:
7.2 If the operator wishes to take legal action on any outstanding parking charges, they must ensure that they have the written authority of the landowner (or their appointed agent) prior to legal action being taken.
7.3 The written authorisation must also set out:
(a) the definition of the land on which you may operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly defined
(b) any conditions or restrictions on parking control and enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of operation
(c) any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and enforcement
(d) who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining signs
(e) the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement


3. Inadequate and Unclear Signage – No Contract Formed
The signage at the location in question is insufficient to form a contract between UKPC and the driver. The signs must comply with the BPA Code of Practice, Section 18 and Appendix B, to adequately inform the driver of the terms and conditions.
Issues with Signage:
1. Lack of Prominent and Clear Signage:
Signs must be prominently displayed and easily readable. The signage at the site is obscured, too high, or positioned in such a way that it cannot be seen or read by a driver entering the car park. This contravenes the BPA Code, which states that terms must be clear and legible.
2. Small and Inadequate Font Size:
The terms are in small print, making it impossible for a driver to read them without stopping and getting out of the vehicle. This is particularly problematic for any clauses that might impose a penalty. According to the "Red Hand Rule," established in J. Spurling Ltd v Bradshaw [1956], terms that seek to impose a significant detriment or penalty must be displayed in a particularly clear and prominent manner. In this case, the terms were not prominently highlighted, akin to the "red hand" standard mentioned by Lord Denning, which requires that any unusual or onerous terms be drawn to the attention of the other party in a conspicuous manner.

***ADD BEAVIS IMAGE AND UKPC PCN SIGN****

4. Failure to Comply with BPA Code of Practice
UKPC is a member of the BPA and must adhere to its Code of Practice. Multiple sections of the Code have been breached in this case:
4.1. Section 18.1 – Entrance Signs
- The BPA Code of Practice mandates that entrance signs must clearly indicate that the car park is managed and that terms and conditions apply. No such signs were visible at the entrance to this car park, which means no contract could be formed upon entry.
4.2. Section 13 – Grace Periods
- The BPA Code requires a reasonable grace period for drivers to read the terms and decide whether to stay and another grace period to leave. The PCN issued does not reflect that the driver was allowed any grace period to comply with these terms.
4.3. Section 20.5 – Complaints Procedure:
- UKPC must have an accessible and clear complaints procedure. The correspondence provided did not offer information on how to file a complaint about this unfair charge.

5. The Charge is Not a Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss
The parking charge demanded does not represent a genuine pre-estimate of loss and serves as a penalty rather than a fair reflection of any loss suffered by UKPC or the landowner.
Arguments Against the Charge:
- No Financial Loss: The car park is either free or has a very low parking fee, meaning that the operator has suffered no actual loss.
- Disproportionate Charge: The charge is punitive and does not reflect any actual loss. It is clear that the charge is designed to penalise the driver rather than to recover a genuine pre-estimate of loss.

6. No Contract Formed – offer, Acceptance, and Consideration
For a contract to be formed, there must be an offer, acceptance, and consideration. In this case, these elements are not present:
1. Offer: The terms and conditions must be clearly communicated through signage, which they were not. As such, there was no valid offer made to the driver.
2. Acceptance: without being aware of the terms due to inadequate signage, the driver could not have accepted them.
3. Consideration: If no payment is required or has been made, there is no consideration. This lack of consideration means that no contract was formed between UKPC and the driver.

Conclusion
Based on the above points, it is evident that UKPC has failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, the BPA Code of Practice, and the basic principles of contract law. The signage is inadequate, no valid contract was formed, and there are multiple breaches of the Code. Therefore, I respectfully request that this appeal be upheld, and the Parking Charge Notice be cancelled.

Thank you for your consideration.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on September 28, 2024, 04:54:27 pm
A lot of that will not interest POPLA and is more akin to a defence against a claim in the county court.

List all the points you intend to argue and then expand on each one after. Make sure that they follow a logical path and the most obvious and likely ones to be winners first.

For example, if you are going to argue no PoFA compliance, that would go just before no keeper liability and no evidence that the person being pursued is the driver. For UKPC, it is always going to be a problem with their signage as it never conforms to the BPA CoP requirements.

THe £100 charge is never adequately brought to the drivers attention. Use a phot of one the signs at the location and show it alongside the sign from the Beavis case pointing out the obvious difference in how the £100 charge is brought to the attention as in this example:

(https://i.imgur.com/VvJkpUi.jpeg)

Things such as landowner authority are not leading points. They are included only to either catch them out. So, leading with that is not advised. Also, there is a much longer landowner authority point in many of the newer recent POPLA appeals.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on September 28, 2024, 03:55:56 pm
In the search box at the top of this page, type in "popla appeal" (include the quotation marks) and see what you get.

Is this okay, anything else I should add?

POPLA Verification Code: [Verification Code]
UKPC PCN Number: [PCN Number]
Re: Appeal against UKPC Parking Charge Notice

I am the registered keeper of vehicle XXX and am writing to appeal the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by UKPC on XXX at XXX. This appeal is based on the following detailed grounds, which demonstrate that the charge is invalid, unfair, and unenforceable.

1. No Evidence of Landowner Authority
UKPC must provide strict proof that they have the necessary authorisation from the landowner to issue parking charges and to enforce these charges through court action. This requirement is mandated under Section 7 of the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice.

Key Points:
- No Valid Contract Provided: I request UKPC to produce an unredacted copy of their contract with the landowner. A witness statement is not sufficient proof. The contract must explicitly authorise UKPC to issue parking charges and to take legal action to recover unpaid charges.
-  Scope of Authority: The contract must confirm that UKPC has the right to issue PCNs in their own name and pursue them legally. Without this, UKPC lacks legal standing.
Supporting Case Law:
- ParkingEye Ltd v Somerfield Stores Ltd [2011]: This case established that an operator must demonstrate a clear interest in the land or express authorisation from the landowner to enforce parking charges.
- POPLA case 6060674050 emphasised the necessity for operators to provide conclusive evidence of landowner authority.

2. Non-compliance with Keeper Liability under PoFA 2012
UKPC has not met the requirements for keeper liability under PoFA. As they have not fully complied with PoFA, they cannot hold the registered keeper liable for the alleged parking charge. Since the operator has failed to establish the driver’s identity and has not provided sufficient evidence to meet PoFA requirements, the liability cannot be transferred from the driver to the keeper.
Relevant Case Law and POPLA Decisions:
ParkingEye v Beavis [2015]: This case confirmed that compliance with PoFA is essential for holding the registered keeper liable.

3. Inadequate and Unclear Signage – No Contract Formed
The signage at the location in question is insufficient to form a contract between UKPC and the driver. The signs must comply with the BPA Code of Practice, Section 18 and Appendix B, to adequately inform the driver of the terms and conditions.

Issues with Signage:
1. Lack of Prominent and Clear Signage:
Signs must be prominently displayed and easily readable. The signage at the site is obscured, too high, or positioned in such a way that it cannot be seen or read by a driver entering the car park. This contravenes the BPA Code, which states that terms must be clear and legible.


2. Small and Inadequate Font Size:
The terms are in small print, making it impossible for a driver to read them without stopping and getting out of the vehicle. This is particularly problematic for any clauses that might impose a penalty. According to the "Red Hand Rule," established in J. Spurling Ltd v Bradshaw [1956], terms that seek to impose a significant detriment or penalty must be displayed in a particularly clear and prominent manner. In this case, the terms were not prominently highlighted, akin to the "red hand" standard mentioned by Lord Denning, which requires that any unusual or onerous terms be drawn to the attention of the other party in a conspicuous manner.

***ADD IMAGE****

Supporting Case Law:
- Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest [2000]: The motorist is not bound by terms they did not see or know about.
- POPLA case 5960956830: The appeal was upheld because the signage was deemed insufficient to form a contract.

4. Failure to Comply with BPA Code of Practice
UKPC is a member of the BPA and must adhere to its Code of Practice. Multiple sections of the Code have been breached in this case:
4.1. Section 18.1 – Entrance Signs
- The BPA Code of Practice mandates that entrance signs must clearly indicate that the car park is managed and that terms and conditions apply. No such signs were visible at the entrance to this car park, which means no contract could be formed upon entry.
4.2. Section 13 – Grace Periods
- The BPA Code requires a reasonable grace period for drivers to read the terms and decide whether to stay and another grace period to leave. The PCN issued does not reflect that the driver was allowed any grace period to comply with these terms.
4.3. Section 20.5 – Complaints Procedure:
- UKPC must have an accessible and clear complaints procedure. The correspondence provided did not offer information on how to file a complaint about this unfair charge.
Supporting POPLA Decisions:
- Case reference 6060674050: POPLA upheld the appeal due to the absence of clear entrance signage.
- Case reference 1771073004: The appeal was upheld as the operator failed to observe the mandatory grace period.

5. The Charge is Not a Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss
The parking charge demanded does not represent a genuine pre-estimate of loss and serves as a penalty rather than a fair reflection of any loss suffered by UKPC or the landowner.
Arguments Against the Charge:
- No Financial Loss: The car park is either free or has a very low parking fee, meaning that the operator has suffered no actual loss.
- Disproportionate Charge: The charge is punitive and does not reflect any actual loss. It is clear that the charge is designed to penalise the driver rather than to recover a genuine pre-estimate of loss.
- Beavis Case Not Applicable: In ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, the Supreme Court ruled that a charge could be justified if it served a legitimate commercial interest. This does not apply in this case, as there is no comparable interest being protected, and the charge remains disproportionate.
- Dunlop Pneumatic Tyre Co Ltd v New Garage & Motor Co Ltd [1915] established that a penalty must not be excessive and should reflect the actual loss suffered.

6. No Contract Formed – Offer, Acceptance, and Consideration
For a contract to be formed, there must be an offer, acceptance, and consideration. In this case, these elements are not present:
1. Offer: The terms and conditions must be clearly communicated through signage, which they were not. As such, there was no valid offer made to the driver.
2. Acceptance: without being aware of the terms due to inadequate signage, the driver could not have accepted them.
3. Consideration: If no payment is required or has been made, there is no consideration. This lack of consideration means that no contract was formed between UKPC and the driver.
- Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1971]: The court ruled that a contract is only formed if the terms are made clear before the contract is entered into.

Conclusion
Based on the above points, it is evident that UKPC has failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, the BPA Code of Practice, and the basic principles of contract law. The signage is inadequate, no valid contract was formed, and there are multiple breaches of the Code. Therefore, I respectfully request that this appeal be upheld, and the Parking Charge Notice be cancelled.

Thank you for your consideration.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on September 24, 2024, 06:32:47 pm
In the search box at the top of this page, type in "popla appeal" (include the quotation marks) and see what you get.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on September 24, 2024, 06:24:44 pm
I've been searching on MSE but couldn't find anything recently to enable me to put a half decent appeal together hence why I thought I'd try this forum
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on September 24, 2024, 05:32:33 pm
You've already received plenty of advice over on MSE, both from myself and others. You have been told to look at other recent POPA appeals and adapt one for yourself. I even gave you images to use showing how the UKPC signs fail to give adequate notice of the charge, thus failing PoFA and also breaching the BPA COP:

(https://i.imgur.com/Az9nQnS.jpeg)

If whatever you submit to POPLA is not successful, it really doesn't matter. No one pays UKPC if they're following the advice on here or over on MSE.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on September 24, 2024, 05:19:49 pm
Surely they also have the evidential photo from the NtK?
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on September 24, 2024, 04:45:01 pm
This is what what they provided on their website

https://imgur.com/a/D8OLzR0
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on September 24, 2024, 03:37:46 pm
On the website they provided the same sign which was time stamped.

Unfortunately the driver just wasn't paying attention, saw an empty bay and parked

What "same sign"? If the image on the website is better than the one in the NtK, then please show it here.
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on September 24, 2024, 03:32:57 pm
On the website they provided the same sign which was time stamped.

Unfortunately the driver just wasn't paying attention, saw an empty bay and parked
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on September 24, 2024, 03:00:41 pm
Have you checked what additional images they have on their website?

Why did the driver not know it was a motorcycle bay?
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on September 24, 2024, 02:58:30 pm
Phew, great!

Link to PCN uploaded here

https://imgur.com/a/FIcc4Ez
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on September 24, 2024, 02:57:24 pm
29th August is the appeal rejection letter
I keep getting this error when trying to upload a pic of the fine

The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator.

Did you not bother to read this?:

READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)

You have until the 1st October to submit your POPLA appeal.

Have you checked what additional images they have on their website?
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on September 24, 2024, 02:56:19 pm
Link to PCN uploaded here

https://imgur.com/a/FIcc4Ez
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on September 24, 2024, 02:54:10 pm
29th August is the appeal rejection letter
Title: Re: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: b789 on September 24, 2024, 02:04:04 pm
Maybe a bit more detail would help!

You may have longer than you thin to submit your POPLA appeal. While the original appeal rejection letter may say you have 28 days to appeal to POPLA, it is actually 33 days as they allow 5 days for service of the appeal rejection.

So, on what date did your appeal get rejected?

Also, show us the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) you received (both sides) so we can see who is liable and whether any protections have been blown away in your appeal.

Please have a read of the  READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/) thread.
Title: UKPC Popla Appeal Last Day Help!
Post by: alex329 on September 24, 2024, 01:05:25 pm
UKPC parking PCN, driver did not realise that they had parked in a motorcycle bay 🙄 currently stands at £60

Submitted an appeal which was rejected, due to personal issues I've been unable to put together an appeal thus far and unable to afford to make the payment of £60

Apologies in advance, its my last day to submit a POPLA appeal, from what I've read I can put an appeal together based on the red hand rule where the sign is inadequate? can anyone kindly help?

Many thanks!