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Title: Re: PCN for late renewal of permit - Kensington & Chelsea
Post by: privates on September 24, 2024, 01:55:38 pm
I won't be paying them nowt, I already pay for my permit and have always done so. I will await the NTO. I thought I was able to reply to the rejection they sent me now.

Well apart from the 6 weeks or so that you didn't, you mean?

It didn't last longer then a day after expiry. The day I got the PCN I renewed my permit the day after at the council office.
Title: Re: PCN for late renewal of permit - Kensington & Chelsea
Post by: Martyn21uk on September 24, 2024, 01:47:15 pm
I won't be paying them nowt, I already pay for my permit and have always done so. I will await the NTO. I thought I was able to reply to the rejection they sent me now.

Well apart from the 6 weeks or so that you didn't, you mean?
Title: Re: PCN for late renewal of permit - Kensington & Chelsea
Post by: privates on September 24, 2024, 01:32:23 pm
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Is there any specific reply I should be sending to them?
If you want to take the matter all the way, ending up at adjudication, you now have to wait for the Notice to Owner, and then send in the representations again. It is this, or pay the discount that they have re-offered in their reply.

I won't be paying them nowt, I already pay for my permit and have always done so. I will await the NTO. I thought I was able to reply to the rejection they sent me now.
Title: Re: PCN for late renewal of permit - Kensington & Chelsea
Post by: Incandescent on September 24, 2024, 09:55:42 am
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Is there any specific reply I should be sending to them?
If you want to take the matter all the way, ending up at adjudication, you now have to wait for the Notice to Owner, and then send in the representations again. It is this, or pay the discount that they have re-offered in their reply.
Title: Re: PCN for late renewal of permit - Kensington & Chelsea
Post by: privates on September 24, 2024, 01:13:13 am
What happened to the original PCN ? We need to see all sides of this to check for fatal errors. All you've shown us is the council online record of the PCN.

https://ibb.co/MhqZ0PP
https://ibb.co/1mhy9rt
Thanks. It seems OK, and sorry to ask for the fag of having to post it, but forum experience is that fatal errors can be found in PCNs that make them void.

Which I have seen from past experience. Is there any specific reply I should be sending to them?
Title: Re: PCN for late renewal of permit - Kensington & Chelsea
Post by: Incandescent on September 23, 2024, 11:38:36 pm
What happened to the original PCN ? We need to see all sides of this to check for fatal errors. All you've shown us is the council online record of the PCN.

https://ibb.co/MhqZ0PP
https://ibb.co/1mhy9rt
Thanks. It seems OK, and sorry to ask for the fag of having to post it, but forum experience is that fatal errors can be found in PCNs that make them void.
Title: Re: PCN for late renewal of permit - Kensington & Chelsea
Post by: privates on September 23, 2024, 11:15:46 pm
What happened to the original PCN ? We need to see all sides of this to check for fatal errors. All you've shown us is the council online record of the PCN.

https://ibb.co/MhqZ0PP
https://ibb.co/1mhy9rt
Title: Re: PCN for late renewal of permit - Kensington & Chelsea
Post by: Incandescent on September 23, 2024, 12:40:31 am
What happened to the original PCN ? We need to see all sides of this to check for fatal errors. All you've shown us is the council online record of the PCN.
Title: Re: PCN for late renewal of permit - Kensington & Chelsea
Post by: privates on September 22, 2024, 10:49:02 pm
It's not clear from the attached documents whether your reps and their reply is for the PCN or the subsequent Notice to Owner.  Are you the owner with your name and address on the V5C Registration Certificate for the vehicle ?
It would be best if you re-posted the documents in full, with headings and signatures.

If you are the owner, then you must wait for the Notice to Owner, and present your representations again. I see that they state they have cancelled a PCN before under similar circumstances, so are obviously not minded to cancel again.

I am the owner with name and address on the V5C

Here is a copy of the documents in full :

https://ibb.co/PwyMCSX
https://ibb.co/5FQndKw
https://ibb.co/P4zCQYW
Title: Re: PCN for late renewal of permit - Kensington & Chelsea
Post by: Incandescent on September 21, 2024, 08:50:33 pm
It's not clear from the attached documents whether your reps and their reply is for the PCN or the subsequent Notice to Owner.  Are you the owner with your name and address on the V5C Registration Certificate for the vehicle ?
It would be best if you re-posted the documents in full, with headings and signatures.

If you are the owner, then you must wait for the Notice to Owner, and present your representations again. I see that they state they have cancelled a PCN before under similar circumstances, so are obviously not minded to cancel again. 

Title: PCN for late renewal of permit - Kensington & Chelsea
Post by: privates on September 21, 2024, 08:00:03 pm
Hope is well guys!

I had appealed this PCN on the basis of medical issues and not being able to remember to renew a PCN 6 months after it was issued. I had explained reasons of my medical issues and that I had not received a reminder to re-new it but they have denied my appeal.

I wanted some ideas on how to reply to there decision if possible!


PCN via website  :

https://ibb.co/jGs02jP

My appeal :

https://ibb.co/dbGV64L
https://ibb.co/S7K50BZ

Decision :

https://ibb.co/wgM56Dp

Thanks.