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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Oleigh on September 17, 2024, 09:37:58 pm

Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: b789 on October 16, 2024, 12:47:35 am
Of course an IAS appeal was futile and a waste of your time. An anonymous assessor who we have no idea of what, if any, legal training they have received is “sympathetic”. Give us a break. Utter testicles.

Now you wait and weather the useless Debt Recovery Agent (DRA) letters which you can safely ignore. Come back if/when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) or an actual claim from the CNBC.

We don’t need to know about the DRA letters.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on October 15, 2024, 09:44:05 pm
This dismissal was made today, I guess I have to wait on Excel to reach out to me, and send a barrage of letters!
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on October 15, 2024, 09:41:15 pm
The IAS made a ruling on my appeal and as expected they dismissed my appeal and upheld each of the parking charges.
See below the detailed response for one of them.


The Appellant should understand that the Adjudicator is not in a position to give legal advice to either of the parties, but they are entitled to seek their own independent legal advice. The Adjudicator's role is to consider whether or not the parking charge has a basis in law and was properly issued in the circumstances of each individual case. In all Appeals the Adjudicator is bound by the relevant law applicable at the time and is only able to consider legal challenges and not factual mistakes nor extenuating or mitigating circumstances. Throughout this appeal the Operator has had the opportunity consider all points raised and could have conceded the appeal at any stage. The Adjudicator who deals with this Appeal is legally qualified and each case is dealt with according to their understanding of the law as it applies, and the legal principles involved. A decision by an Adjudicator is not legally binding on an Appellant who is entitled to seek their own legal advice if they so wish.

In all Appeals the burden of proof is the civil one whereby the party asserting a fact or submission has to establish that matter on the balance of probabilities. If the parking operator fails to establish that a Parking Charge Notice was properly issued in accordance with the law, then it is likely that an Appeal will be allowed. If the parking operator does establish that a Parking Charge Notice was properly and legally issued, then the burden shifts to the Appellant to establish that the notice was improperly or unlawfully issued and if the Appellant proves those matters on the balance of probabilities, then it is likely that the Appeal will be allowed. However, the Appeal will be dismissed if the Appellant fails to establish those matters on the balance of probabilities. The responsibility is at all times on the parties to provide the Adjudicator with the evidential basis upon which to make a decision.

The Operator has provided evidence of the signs at the site, which make it clear any driver not paying for the duration of their stay, within five minutes of arriving, will be issued with the parking charge notice.

The Appellant claims that they paid to park and provides evidence to support the claims. The Operator accepts this but shows the payment was delayed. The Appellant acknowledges this was delayed and gives an explanation. However, there is no evidence for this. As explained above, at this stage, the onus is on the Appellant to satisfy me the charge is unlawful. In the absence of any evidence, I am not satisfied.

The explanation is that they were advised by the "onsite attendants" that they may pay on leaving the site. There are no details as to whom they spoke, what their role was, and when the advice was given. For example they have been attending the site for three years. The terms may have changed more than once in that time. Although additional notice should be given for a change of terms, it is incumbent on the driver to check the terms each time they park.

This is an ANPR car park, so it will not be 'manned' in the traditional sense. However, the Operator does confirm attendants are sometimes on site. If the advice came from a attendant and was near in time this would be advice the Appellant could expect to rely on.

The attendant would be the agent of the Operator and able to vary the contract, but there is no evidence for this, and it would be unusual. Attendants are trained to refer drivers to the signs for advice. This is the role of the sign, and the attendant is there to enforce. This ensures all receive the same advice. There is also no evidence of payments being made in this way for three years. Even if I accept this, I revert to the earlier point that the terms of the car park can change and the driver must check for this, although there must also be clear notice of the change.

The signs offer the terms for parking. By remaining parked on land managed by the Operator, having had notice of the terms, the driver agrees to them. There is no evidence the notice was insufficient. In consideration for parking they agree to pay the tariff within five minutes or pay the charge. In this way they have entered into a contract with the Operator and agreed to be bound by the advertised terms.

The only way to vary the contract is by agreement between the parties. Any advice or permission given by another, not a party to the contract, is irrelevant. If the Appellant received erroneous advice from another, they have my sympathy, but this is an issue between the Appellant and their advisor and has no bearing on the lawfulness of the charge.

The driver is entitled to a reasonable time to read the terms and comply with the requirements. It would clearly be unfair to issue a charge on arrival before the driver had a chance to pay. However, this must be done immediately. It is not for the driver to decide when they will read the signs and pay.

Here the Operator has made it a term of the contract that payment must be made within five minutes. I have seen nothing to show this is unreasonable and that further time should be allowed. If it became apparent to the driver that they may not be able to comply within the required time, I am satisfied it was made clear they ought to leave; otherwise by remaining they would agree to pay the charge.

I appreciate the Appellant has paid for the time they used, and they have my sympathy, but the guidance to the appeal is clear that I may only consider legal issues not extenuating circumstances. The Operator has this discretion, but they are unlikely to exercise it in the Appellant's favour, in the absence of evidence to support the claim.

The Operator has provided photographic evidence of the Appellant's vehicle leaving the land they manage, five hours and twenty minutes after it arrived, and without a payment until five minutes before leaving. The appeal is dismissed.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 23, 2024, 09:40:11 am
Thanks very much for this.
My deadline for responding to the IAS is midnight today.
I will revert with their response/verdit on as this progresses.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: H C Andersen on September 21, 2024, 12:38:48 pm
IMO, register an appeal with IAS.

I would simplify your approach and couch your argument in exactly the same form as assessors' responses are written.

For example:
Was there a breach of contract which rendered the driver liable for a parking charge?

Before the assessor can assess this question it is necessary to establish the conditions of contract concerned.


The operator seeks to rely upon the Ts and Cs displayed at the site as forming the contract between them and the driver.

I submit that this misrepresents the agreement between them and the driver who was the same on each occasion mentioned below.

The published terms include a general requirement for drivers to pay prior to leaving the site. These signs and terms have been displayed for at least 3 years. When I first used the site I paid prior to leaving, however, on one occasion when I was calculating my likely number of hours and cost and searching for the correct coins I spoke with an attendant who was on site who told me that I could pay on exit if I wished. On that day and every parking day since(I estimate more than 100) I have paid on exit without issue despite this being recorded by the operator's ANPR system.

By accepting payment from me in this manner over such an extended period the creditor has adopted different terms in my case, the alternative that they thought that a breach had occurred on each occasion but that because of a technical hitch or their largesse they chose to not pursue these events as being breaches is simply not tenable.

On *** I received the first on X PCNs alleging a breach of contract, namely not paying before I left the car park.

I challenged each PCN and made the principle of the above legal point. In the operator's responses, although they state that they have 'considered the points raised and have reviewed their records' their subsequent reasoning is flawed. Instead of considering the legal issues of legitimate expectation and condonation they have focused solely on the authority of on-site attendants.

It is not the attendant's conduct which is under scrutiny but the operator's who
does not challenge that over a period in excess of 2 years they accepted payment from me as described i.e. on exit, and therefore are prevented from making unilateral changes to our mutual agreement which is the basis of the PCNs.

I accept that following receipt of their first rejection I was put on notice that payment when parking was required, since when I have complied.

Would be how I would address the assessor's first stop in their thought process, namely the terms of any contract and whether there was a breach which entitled the operator to a parking charge.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 20, 2024, 10:46:13 pm
Thanks for this information.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: DWMB2 on September 20, 2024, 10:39:42 pm
Before any court action you'll get a barrage of debt collector letters. File and ignore these. The only way they can seek to enforce the charge is through the courts.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 20, 2024, 10:13:00 pm
Thanks very much .
Could they send me letters for increased charges before they take me to court? If they did, are these enforceable, and do I just ignore until they I receive court letters requesting my statement?
I would just like to know what to expect so I know not to panic when/if that happened.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: DWMB2 on September 20, 2024, 10:07:53 pm
Yes, the ball would essentially be in Excel's court.

Bailiff's won't be coming round. For that to happen you'd have to lose in court and then refuse to pay, at which point Excel would have to apply to enforce the debt

If it does go to court they'll claim the £100, legal fees of around £50, a hearing fee of £35, and interest. They'll add on £70 debt collection fees but these can be successfully challenged. A loss in court is usually around £200. If it gets that far, and if they win.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 20, 2024, 09:40:39 pm
Can I check please, how this works after the IAS potentially reject my appeal.
For anyone that has been through similar.
What do I do after the rejection? Do I just wait on Excel to sue me? Does this charge keep increasing as well?
I’ve read stories of people getting visits from bailiffs to recover accumulating parking fines but I don’t know at what stage this could potentially occur.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 19, 2024, 06:54:31 pm
Ok. Thanks.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: DWMB2 on September 19, 2024, 05:04:50 pm
It makes sense now, there were very quick to refer it to the IAS.
I wouldn't read much into that, they're required to provide you the opportunity to appeal to the IAS when they reject your appeal.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 19, 2024, 04:53:33 pm
It makes sense now, there were very quick to refer it to the IAS.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: b789 on September 19, 2024, 03:42:21 pm
DOn't be surprised if the IAS appeal is unsuccessful. It is not "independent" at all.

If this goes to court, you have a very good prospect of being successful. All those PCNs are "penalties" which are unlawful.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 19, 2024, 01:46:40 pm
Thank you. That is perfectly understood.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: DWMB2 on September 19, 2024, 01:41:30 pm
Unless you advise against it.
Your chances of them accepting an appeal are very low. If you wish to appeal to them that is your choice, so personally I neither advise against or in favour of appealing.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 19, 2024, 01:36:11 pm
Thank you so much.
These have been very helpful.
I plan to use some of these arguments in my appeal to the IAS to see if this makes a difference to their judgement.
Unless you advise against it.
I guess I potentially have to prepare myself for court.
Thanks again.
I appreciate the help I have received.
I only wish I sought help earlier.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: DWMB2 on September 19, 2024, 12:37:19 pm
It can probably be factored into one of the above points (all of which seem good), but I'd also make mention of the Beavis case and commercial justification (or in this case, lack thereof) - you can bet your bottom dollar Excel will reference Beavis with the intention of supporting their case, after all.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: b789 on September 19, 2024, 12:32:11 pm
I wouldn't hold out much hope for the IAS to uphold any appeal. This is most likely going to be resolved in court. Here is my opinion on defence points that Oleigh will be relying on, as and when a defence is needed:

Defence Overview

Oleigh has been parking at a private car park owned and managed by Excel Parking Services for the last 3 years, several times a week. Over this period, Oleigh consistently paid for parking. On the advice of an attendant, Oleigh followed a practice of paying for parking on exit rather than immediately upon entry. Recently, Oleigh received 14 Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) for failing to pay within 10 minutes of entry, despite paying for all the hours spent in the car park. Oleigh’s appeal was rejected, with Excel Parking stating that she breached their terms by not adhering to the 10-minute payment rule.

The following points would present a robust defence and you can try them if you are going to try an IAS appeal:

1. Customary Practice and Promissory Estoppel
Oleigh followed a consistent practice of paying on exit, based on the advice of an Excel Parking attendant. This established a reasonable expectation that this practice was valid and would not incur PCns. For over two years, this advice was followed without any issues, creating reliance on Excel's representation. Under the principle of promissory estoppel, Excel Parking should be prevented from enforcing a PCN for behaviour they had implicitly accepted for an extended period.

2. Failure to Provide Notice of Change in Enforcement
Oleigh's practice of paying on exit had been ongoing for 2 years without any PCN. If Excel Parking intended to enforce a strict 10-minute payment rule, they should have provided clear and explicit notice of this change. The sudden enforcement of this rule without warning is unreasonable and unfair. A sudden shift in enforcement behaviour with no formal notice should invalidate the claim.

3. Unfair Contract Terms (Consumer Rights Act 2015)
The charges imposed by Excel Parking are disproportionate to the alleged breach. Under the Consumer Rights Act 2015, terms that impose disproportionately high charges for minor breaches are deemed unfair. Since Oleigh paid for all parking sessions, Excel Parking did not suffer any financial loss, making the charges purely punitive and unenforceable. Additionally, if the signage was not clear about the 10-minute rule, the term would be considered unclear and unfair under the CRA 2015.

4. No Genuine Pre-estimate of Loss
Excel Parking has admitted that Oleigh paid for all parking sessions, so there was no financial loss. The charges are therefore penal rather than compensatory. Under contract law, penalties that do not reflect a genuine pre-estimate of loss are generally unenforceable. In this case, the £100 per PCN is excessive given that Oleigh made full payment for all parking sessions.

5. Unfairness of the PCNs Under Signage and Clarity Standards (PoFA 2012)
The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) and the IPC Code of Practice require that signage be clear and legible, allowing drivers to understand the terms they are agreeing to. If Oleigh was given verbal advice from an attendant that contradicted the signage, then the signage was not adequately communicating the correct process. Courts have ruled that terms which impose onerous conditions (like a strict 10-minute rule) must be clearly and prominently displayed (J Spurling Ltd v Bradshaw, the 'red hand' rule). If Excel Parking's signage did not clearly explain the 10-minute rule or make it prominent, this weakens their case for enforcing the charges.

6. Reliance on Credible Testimony
While Oleigh lacks direct written evidence of the conversation with the attendant, the court can accept credible oral testimony as evidence. Oleigh should provide a detailed Witness Statement (WS) describing the conversation, the advice given, and the reliance on that advice. Civil courts operate on a "balance of probabilities," and the court will weigh the credibility of Oleigh’s account against the lack of evidence to the contrary from Excel. Excel Parking is unlikely to produce evidence disproving Oleigh's claim, as they would not have a record of every verbal interaction between their attendants and motorists. Therefore, it is more likely than not that Oleigh’s account of events is accurate.

7. Excel’s Inability to Provide Contradictory Evidence
Excel Parking is unlikely to have evidence that disproves Oleigh’s account of the advice from the attendant. They are unlikely to possess records showing that Oleigh was not advised to pay on exit, which strengthens Oleigh’s case. Without any formal documentation or a written policy that contradicts Oleigh's claim, the court is more likely to side with Oleigh, especially if there were no previous PCNs issued over the two-year period where Oleigh followed the informal practice.

8. Inconsistent Enforcement and Failure to Provide Warnings
For two years, Oleigh parked and paid on exit without receiving any PCNs, suggesting that Excel Parking accepted this method of payment. If Excel now claims that this was a violation of their terms, they should have issued warnings or PCNs during the earlier period. The failure to do so indicates that the enforcement of the rule has been inconsistent and unfair. This sudden change in enforcement without warning creates an argument that Excel failed to properly notify Oleigh of any change in policy, which should have been communicated if they intended to enforce the 10-minute rule strictly.

9. Breach of Legitimate Expectation
Oleigh had a legitimate expectation that the advice provided by the attendant was valid and that paying on exit was acceptable. Given that no previous PCNs were issued for following this practice, Oleigh reasonably believed that this was in accordance with Excel Parking’s rules. Excel’s failure to clarify or notify Oleigh of any changes to this practice should invalidate the PCNs.

10. Proportionality and Mitigation of Loss
Even if the court finds that Oleigh technically breached the terms by not paying within 10 minutes, Excel Parking has a duty to mitigate any loss. In this case, no financial loss occurred since Oleigh made full payment for all parking sessions. Pursuing 14 PCNs for a minor technicality is disproportionate and excessive, and it further suggests that the enforcement of the PCN is punitive rather than compensatory.

11. The Charge is Disproportionate to Breach
The imposition of 14 PCNs for what amounts to a minor breach (timing of payment) is excessive and disproportionate. Courts have generally viewed excessive charges unfavourably, especially when they result in absurd outcomes. Oleigh paid for all parking sessions, meaning that no financial harm was done to Excel Parking, and the issuance of multiple PCNs for such a minor issue goes against principles of fairness.

Conclusion:

It will be argued that Oleigh had a reasonable expectation that paying upon exit was allowed, based on the advice from an attendant and this practice was accepted for over 2 years. The charges issued by Excel Parking are disproportionate, and the enforcement of the strict 10-minute rule without prior notice or warning is unfair. Furthermore, Excel Parking’s failure to suffer any financial loss, combined with the excessive and penal nature of the PCNs, makes their claim untenable.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 19, 2024, 08:53:44 am
Thank you.
The earliest VAT receipt I have is dated 30 Sept 2022, and i have paid on exit since then for sure. I have all the receipts for payments made since then.
I may have earlier, I can have a look.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: H C Andersen on September 19, 2024, 08:27:59 am
IMO, you need to get back to legal principles here.

A contract is deemed formed by the driver's actions i.e. parking and leaving the car.

This binds BOTH parties i.e. the driver and the operator.

It does NOT lie with the operator to amend the terms of the contract unilaterally. By their previous actions (in accepting payment on exit) they have CONDONED yours i.e. paying on exit. In effect by your and their actions you both amended the written terms and this bound you both.

IMO, prior to them responding to your first appeal your legitimate expectation was that you could pay on exit and therefore there was no legal basis on which to issue a parking charge because there was no breach of your contract with them.

I would focus on the above with IAS.

Try and get evidence as to your use of this site during the 2 years. But this doesn't have to be hard evidence(although this is preferable) because ultimately in court it's balance of probabilities and IMO I can't see how they could legitimately deny accepting payment on exit for 2 years.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 18, 2024, 07:35:33 pm
I have appealed it with them, they gave me 14 days at the time I believe.
They rejected my appeal and referred it to the IAS.
I provided my defence to the IAS and they have also stated their case.
Please see link for my appeal, their rejection, my statement to the IAS and their stated case, I that order.

https://imgur.com/a/MMBVxDP

At this point, I am supposed to provide any further arguments to the IAS and it will go to arbitration for a ruling, that is the stage we are at now.
Only yesterday when I read their arguments to the IAS did I realise the gravity of the issue I am facing therefore sought help.
I hope it it not too late now. :-[
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: b789 on September 18, 2024, 07:28:13 pm
And how many days do they give you to appeal? It'll be on the back of the NtK. You can then work out whether you still have any time left.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 18, 2024, 07:09:48 pm
They were issued on 14th, 16th, 19th and 23rd August
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: b789 on September 18, 2024, 06:55:46 pm
No, don't bother checking. If you've identified yourself as the driver rather than just the Keeper, it is not going to make a difference. The driver is always liable. If they haven't fully complied with PoFA, then they can't transfer the liability from the unknown (to Excel) driver to the known Keeper.

What we now need to establish is the dates that all the NtKs were received and whether there is any point in trying to appeal. Not that any appeal is going to succeed. This is only going to be resolved in the ultimate dispute resolution service... the small claims track of the county court, where a truly independent judge will decide whether you owe Excel a debt or not.

So, please give us the "issue" dates of the PCNs as it is that date that determines the appeal period.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 18, 2024, 06:45:45 pm
Oh, I definitely should have asked for help much earlier.
It is the first time I have been in a situation like this as I don’t normally try to boycot rules.
I have told them I was the owner and driver at the time of contravention, as I didn’t think it was realistic that I would be held liable.
I can confirm the V5C is in my name, it is in my possession and this was the first communication I have received with respect to this contravention.
Any defence would be helpful at this point please.
Thank you.
I will go check all the NTKs now and confirm how many of them are compliant as per formula below
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: DWMB2 on September 18, 2024, 06:27:24 pm
And can you please confirm that you are the registered keeper of the vehicle with the V5C in your possession?
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: b789 on September 18, 2024, 06:08:02 pm
Without having read it all, is this the first communication you received for the parking on this particular day? If it is, and you have identified yourself as the driver, you have blown both feet off on a sure winning point if you'd only appealed as the Keeper without identifying the driver.

The issue date of the NtK means that it was not "given" within the required timeframe in PoFA for them to be able to hold the Keeper liable. Unfortunately, I fear that you blabbed the drivers identity when you appealed.

Please have a look at all the other NtKs you received. Check the "contravention date" and the "issue date". If the number of days from the contravention date to the issue date plus two working days is greater than 14, then the NtKs are not fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA. If you have identified as the driver, this becomes harder to resolve but still winnable.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: b789 on September 18, 2024, 06:00:45 pm
Good. Now we can see the NtK which is crucial and critical as it is the "invoice" they have sent for the alleged debt.

(https://i.imgur.com/e0YIfyH.jpeg)
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 18, 2024, 05:04:59 pm
See link below, for just the NTK done as per your request.
I am not able to embed document, but I’ve put this separately in a new post.
https://imgur.com/a/Z7hqXWh
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 18, 2024, 03:31:16 pm
Oh I see. Thanks. I understand the confusion, I never noticed the sign over there on the left; that is a different space than the car park.
I have attached a zoomed out image, where you can see a demarcation to show there are 2 spaces.
I suppose the PCM reference is for the gated space on the left, while the bakers road car park is right side.
I have also now attached one of the NTKs as per your request. Link copied here
https://imgur.com/a/eps-MMBVxDP
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: b789 on September 18, 2024, 03:14:00 pm
Please post a picture of one of the Notice to Keeper (NtK) you received. Redact only your personal details, the PCN number and the VRM of your vehicle.

The GSV images of Bakers Road car park in Uxbridge show this as the location. Is this the correct place?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/3zHH4ZDJ4SKDpKEj8

A close up of the sign near the entrance shows this:

(https://i.imgur.com/4RNSewU.png)

That sign says PCM.

Hence my confusion as to who manages this car park, assuming it is the correct one referred to by the OP.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 18, 2024, 03:10:47 pm
Thanks. I’ve just checked, I don’t see any reference to PCM, but happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: DWMB2 on September 18, 2024, 03:01:10 pm
GSV = Google Street View
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 18, 2024, 02:52:24 pm
I’m not sure what GSV means, also, as far as I know it has been run by Excel Parking Services. This is based on the signs in the car park.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 18, 2024, 02:41:14 pm
I started parking there in October 2021, 2-3 times a week, one of which was a Sunday (which has a flat charge).
The attendant asked me to pay on exit and I have been paying this way for over 2 years.
There has been no change in the board sign as far as I am aware.
I’m not sure what happened at their end in August, perhaps a change in management, but the first ever communication I’ve had from them was 14 tickets issued.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: b789 on September 18, 2024, 02:01:15 pm
Prior to "June and July", how long had you been parking and paying on exit? Is it possible that they changed the terms of parking just before "June and July" and that previously it had been a "pay on exit" car park but then changed to a "pay within 5 minutes" car park?

I see on GSV that in July 2024 it was run by PCM, not Excel. When did Excel take over?
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: DWMB2 on September 18, 2024, 11:53:36 am
For any tips on your case please start your own thread.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: denefield on September 18, 2024, 11:45:17 am
Exactly the same has happened to me, albeit the once. Exactly same letter they have sent me like they sent Oleigh. Signage was unclear, it should say in big writing PAY & DISPLAY. Not 24 hour pay car park and just put the ticket info in small print. I’ve never been to an underground car park with pay and display; hence my confusion. I also paid £2.50 flat rate as it was a Sunday, so the hours shouldn’t matter like they’re stating. I stayed 30 mins, to go to sports direct. Also was dark and awfully unsafe car park, no way of exit other than walking up the car entry/exit ramp, and the only other door to try get out said on the writing on the door “use this door and you will die” so I decided against it. Proper scammers it seems from all the forums online and reviews about the car park. So annoyed I’ve got charged. So any tips much appreciated.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 17, 2024, 10:43:48 pm
https://imgur.com/a/MMBVxDP
Here is a link to my pictures uploaded to Imgur.
It shows all the correspondence with the operator and information provided to IAS.
I couldn’t find the option to embed unfortunately, I am not as good with technology.
I will upload the layout of the car park as well
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: DWMB2 on September 17, 2024, 10:19:09 pm
If you read the thread I linked you to in my previous reply, it tells you how to add images.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 17, 2024, 10:14:30 pm
Sorry I meant to attach the letters but I am unable to as it keeps giving an error
I will try again to attach it.
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 17, 2024, 10:10:54 pm
I appealed the charges together at their advice after a telephone call, they however sent a separate letter of rejection for each ticket. I have attached one of the letters. They also referred each violation to the IAS separately and I have attached screenshots of their case as stated to the IAS
Title: Re: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: DWMB2 on September 17, 2024, 09:43:16 pm
To help us to help you, please read the following thread and provide as much of the information it asks for as you are able to - READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/).

In addition to the information requested in that thread, it would also be useful to know/see:
Title: Excel Parking Services - Bakers Road
Post by: Oleigh on September 17, 2024, 09:37:58 pm
I have been parking at a private car park owned and managed by excel parking services for the last 3 years, several times a week for a few hours at a time. I always paid for parking each time, one of the occasions about 2 years ago an attendant advised me while I was struggling to pick the number ofhours that I could pay on exit as soon as long as I paid before I exited. I have done that for the last 2 years with no issues or concerns.
In August this year, I received 14 parking tickets (for parking in June and July 2024) from the company over unpaid parking, and when I called them to inquire they explained that although they have a record of me paying for the hours I spent parking, I am liable as I didn't pay for parking within 10mins of entry as per the signs in the parking station. I tried to appeal and explain to them I have been taking this approach for 2 years at the advise of their onsite employee, but they rejected my appeal and insisted I am liable.  They have now referred this to the Independent Appeal Service. I am in no position to pay for all these. Also, I can't pay 2 years worth of infringements as they will be too many. How do I defend this please?
What are my options and chances of success.