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Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: booyaka on March 05, 2025, 10:33:28 pm
Hi b789,

Yes, if you could put something together that would be great. Happy to put a complaint to POPLA.

Thanks
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: b789 on February 19, 2025, 08:36:30 pm
Early on in this thread I said:

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"Don't hold up too much hope with POPLA. The most likely outcome of this is going to be a claim issued through DCB Legal which, once defended with the advice from here will be discontinued early next year."

Please tell us the name of the POPLA assessor that has come to this obviously erroneous decision. It is not a secret and I am compiling a list of those that obviously require further training on contract law.

Here are the very obvious reasons the assessor is wrong and has failed to do their job properly:

POPLA Decision Review – Flawed Assessment of PoFA, Landowner Authority, and Signage Issues

POPLA’s reasoning in this decision is deeply flawed, particularly in its assessment of the operator’s failure to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) and landowner authority.

Key Issues with the Decision:

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1. Failure to Properly Assess Keeper Liability Under PoFA

- The POPLA assessor claims that the Notice to Keeper (NtK) complies with PoFA without addressing the explicit issue raised: failure to invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges, as required by paragraph 9(2)(e)(i).
- The decision ignores the legal requirement for full compliance with PoFA and incorrectly assumes that partial compliance is sufficient. This is a fundamental misinterpretation of the law.

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2. Incorrect Acceptance of Landowner Authority Evidence

- The operator only provided an appendix from 2017, without showing evidence of subsequent amendments authorising new signage and terms between 2020 and 2024.
- The assessor incorrectly concludes that the operator has landowner authority without addressing the fact that the contract does not cover the current terms and conditions.

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3. Disregard of Signage Issues

- The response does not properly address the evidence that signage changed between 2020 and 2024.
- POPLA fails to acknowledge that signage must be in place at the time of the alleged contravention and match the contract terms.
- The "Red Hand Rule" argument was dismissed with no legal reasoning.

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4. Misapplication of ParkingEye v Beavis

- The decision misuses ParkingEye v Beavis to justify a penalty charge, without assessing the distinguishing factors of this case.
- Unlike Beavis, where parking was free for a limited time, this case involves restrictions on permitted vehicles at certain times. The Beavis ruling does not justify an arbitrary or excessive charge unrelated to a breach of landowner authority.

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5. Flawed Dismissal of Grace Period Argument

- The decision claims that a grace period does not apply because the vehicle was “unauthorised.” However:
  - This reasoning is circular—the grace period exists precisely to allow drivers to assess signage and either comply or leave.
  - The Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) states that grace periods apply universally, regardless of contravention.

So, more conclusive proof that POPLA is not fit for purpose.

Whilst waiting for the eventual court claim, which will be easily defended and eventually struck out to discontinued, you can send a formal complaint to the POPLA lead assessor and point out the utter incompetence of the assessor and ask them how they intend to make sure that this kind of poor decision making doesn't happen again.

Happy to put something together over the next few days if you agree,
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: booyaka on February 19, 2025, 07:18:38 pm
POPLA appeal has come back unsuccessful. What's the best steps to take next?

Assessor summary of operator case
The parking operator has issued a parking charge notice due to the motorist parking without authorisation.

Assessor summary of your case
The appellant has raised the following points from their grounds of appeal: - The appellant states the Notice to Keeper does not comply with the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012. - The appellant requests evidence of landowner authorisation in accordance with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice. - The appellant states the signage is not clear or legible due to its height with reference to the BPA Code of Practice. The appellant states it does not meet the requirements of the red hand rule established in J. Spurling Ltd v Bradshaw 1956. - The appellant states the driver was not afforded the grace period. - The appellant states there is no financial loss to the landowner and the charge is disproportionate, nor is it a genuine pre-estimate of loss. - The appellant states the operator did not provide clear instructions on how to submit a complaint. The appellant provided a copy of the signage using the red hand method.

Assessor supporting rational for decision
When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the parking operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. When entering a site, it is the motorist’s responsibility to read the signs and adhere to the terms and conditions stated. In this case, the signs state maximum stay 2 hours... Monday - Saturday 05:00 to 20:30 hours...Authorised vehicles only outside the above times. The evidence shows the vehicle entered on Tuesday 13th August 2024 at 01:15 - 01:29 and the vehicle was not authorized to park on site. Therefore, the terms and conditions of the site were breached, and a charge was issued for £100. - The appellant states the Notice to Keeper does not comply with the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012. The Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 is a law that allows parking operators to transfer the liability to the registered keeper in the event that the driver or hirer is not identified. I have reviewed the Notice to Keeper and I can confirm that it was issued within the relevant timeframe and contains the relevant information. Therefore, the operator is permitted to pursue the appellant as the registered keeper. - The appellant requests evidence of landowner authorisation in accordance with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice. The British Parking Association (BPA) monitors how operators treat motorists and has its own Code of Practice setting out the criteria operators must meet. Section 7.1 of the BPA Code of Practice outlines that parking operators must have written authorisation from the landowner or their agent, to manage the land in question. The operator has provided a contract with the landowner; therefore, I am satisfied that it has authorization to enforce charges on the land as there is no evidence to dispute this. - The appellant states the signage is not clear or legible due to its height with reference to the BPA Code of Practice. The appellant states it does not meet the requirements of the red hand rule established in J. Spurling Ltd v Bradshaw 1956. Section 19.2 of the Code says parking operators need to have entrance signs that make it clear a motorist is entering onto private land. Section 19.3 of the Code says parking operators need to have signs that clearly set out the terms. The driver of the vehicle does not need to have read the terms and conditions of the contract to accept it. There is only the requirement that the driver is afforded the opportunity to read and understand the terms and conditions of the contract before accepting it and not rely on the staff or business in question to provide them with this information as they are not obligated to do so. It is the driver’s responsibility to seek out the terms and conditions, and ensure they understand them, before agreeing to the contract and parking. Reviewing the photographic evidence of the signage on display at the site and the site map, I am satisfied that the driver was afforded this opportunity. The operator’s evidence shows there is an entrance sign which clearly states the permitted hours for parking and advises the site is private land. The site map and image show the site is well signposted and provides the terms clearly. Appendix B talks about signs being always readable and understandable, including during the hours of darkness or at dusk if parking enforcement activity takes place at those times. The operator’s site images show the site is well lit at night and the signage is visible. I note the appellant has quoted J. Spurling Ltd v Bradshaw 1956 and provided an image to support this, but this does not apply in this case. POPLA refers to the Code of Practice and PoFA to measure adequate notice. Section 19.4 of the Code of Practice states that if parking operators intend to use the keeper liability provisions in Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, the signs must give adequate notice of the charge. In this case, the charge amount is written in bold writing and clearly stands out when it is being read. - The appellant states the driver was not afforded the grace period. The vehicle was not permitted to be on site and therefore the grace period does not apply. - The appellant states there is no financial loss to the landowner and the charge is disproportionate, nor is it a genuine pre-estimate of loss. I acknowledge the appellant states the charge is disproportionate or does not reflect the loss to the landowner. The appeal reasons raised have led me to consider the relevant case law of ParkingEye v Beavis. The Supreme Court considered private parking charges in a high-profile case, ParkingEye v Beavis. The Court recognised that parking charges have all the characteristics of a contractual penalty, but nevertheless were enforceable because there were legitimate interests in the charging of overstaying motorists. It concluded that a charge in the region of £85 was proportionate, and it attached importance to the fact that the charge was prominently displayed in large lettering on the signage itself. While the specific facts of the case concerned a free-stay car park where the motorist had overstayed, I consider the principles that lie behind the decision remain the same. Taking these principles into account, I am not going to consider whether the loss is a genuine pre-estimate of loss or whether it reflects a correct loss to the landowner. Rather, I am going to consider the charge amount in the appellant’s case, as well as the legibility of the signage. After reviewing the signage provided by the operator, I am satisfied that the signage is legible, and the charge amount is in the region of £85 and therefore allowable. The Court’s full judgement in the case is available online should the appellant want to read it. - The appellant states the operator did not provide clear instructions on how to submit a complaint. POPLA’s sole role is to assess if the terms of the site were breached and if the charge was issued correctly. It is not within POPLA’s remit to comment on the operator’s internal processes or conduct. To make a complaint, the appellant can visit the operator’s website for their complaints policy. After considering the evidence from both parties, the motorist parked without authorization and therefore did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal.
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: b789 on December 01, 2024, 08:44:01 pm
OK. As I have already stated earlier, it is unlikely that POPLA will accept the appeal but here is something you can use to copy and paste into the POPLA response webform. After reviewing the operators response pack, use this:

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This response highlights the operator's failure to rebut the appellant's points regarding the validity of the contract between the landowner and the operator (or their agent) and their non-compliance with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).

The operator has only evidenced an appendix to the contract signed in 2017, which does not demonstrate why the terms and conditions have changed between 2020 and 2024. As a result, they have failed to show that they have the authority to issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) based on the current terms and conditions. This lack of evidence undermines their claim that they are enforcing authorised terms agreed with the landowner.

Additionally, the operator has failed to address the appellant's specific point about their non-compliance with PoFA, particularly paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). The requirement to "INVITE THE KEEPER TO PAY THE UNPAID PARKING CHARGES" is explicit in the legislation. The operator’s Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not meet this requirement. While the word "invite" does not have to be used verbatim, there must be a clear synonym or equivalent. Simply inferring this from the fact that the PCN is addressed to the keeper is insufficient and does not satisfy the explicit requirement of the Act.

The appendix provided as part of the contract signed in February 2017 fails to explain or justify the changes to the parking terms and signage between September 2020 and April 2024 for the following reasons:

Lack of Contractual Evidence of Authorised Changes to Terms:

The appendix shown does not specify any mechanism or evidence showing that the land management company (Savills) authorised a change from a maximum stay of 3 hours (as seen on signage in 2020) to 2 hours, or the addition of restrictions such as “Mon-Sat 0500-2030 hours” and “authorised vehicles only” outside these hours. Without explicit documentation of these changes, the operator cannot prove that the updated terms were validly authorised by the landowner.

No Record of Signage Updates:

The appendix refers generally to the installation and maintenance of signage (e.g., compliance with the Code of Practice), but it does not provide any detailed records of when or why the signage was updated to reflect the new terms. The lack of clarity on the timeline of updates to the signage means there is no proof that the signage changes were implemented in accordance with the contract or landowner approval.

Contract’s General Nature:

The appendix contains general clauses regarding compliance with the BPA Code of Practice (CoP), responsibilities for signage, and other operational standards, but it does not include specific details of the parking terms applicable to this site or evidence of amendments over time. For example, the appendix does not include any reference to restrictions like the 2-hour limit or time-specific rules, suggesting that the contract terms may not have been updated since 2017 when the contract was signed.

Failure to Demonstrate Validity of Terms in 2024:

While the contract mentions periodic amendments (Clause 2), the operator has not provided evidence of such amendments or their approval by the landowner. The operator has only provided evidence of their signs in April 2024. The operator must demonstrate that the landowner consented to the specific terms being enforced in April 2024 and that these terms were applicable in August 2024 when the alleged breach occurred.

No Explanation for Changes Between 2020 and 2024:

Google Street View (GSV) imagery from September 2020 shows that the signage at the site stated a 3-hour maximum stay with no reference to restrictions such as "Mon-Sat 0500-2030 hours" or "authorised vehicles only." This GSV image can be accessed via the following link: https://maps.app.goo.gl/7v8mAv7Ueg3HyoZT7. Due to POPLA’s restriction of only allowing responses in plain text via a webform, it is impossible to embed the image directly. Therefore, I request that the assessor use the link provided to view the signage evidence from September 2020. The GSV image allows zooming for clarity and provides crucial evidence of the terms in place at that time.

The operator has not explained why signage in 2020 showed a 3-hour maximum stay with no additional restrictions, while their 2024 evidence shows a 2-hour limit with time-specific restrictions. The absence of supporting documentation to justify these changes undermines the operator’s claim.

The appendix provided does not support the operator’s claim that the parking terms in force at the time of the alleged breach were validly authorised or reflected an updated agreement with the landowner. The operator has failed to demonstrate:

**That the changes in signage between 2020 and 2024 were approved by the landowner.
**That these changes comply with the terms of the original contract.
**That the signage in 2024 reflected the validly agreed terms at the time of the alleged contravention.

As such, the operator has not met the burden of proof to show that the Parking Charge Notice is enforceable.

Response to Operator’s Evidence Pack – Failure to Fully Comply with PoFA 2012

The appellant made it clear in their original POPLA appeal that the operator has failed to comply FULLY with ALL the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), specifically paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). The operator’s evidence pack does not adequately address this point, and their generic assertion that the Notice to Keeper (NtK) complies with PoFA is insufficient. It is essential for the assessor to consider this carefully, as partial or substantial compliance with PoFA is not sufficient to establish Keeper liability.

The legal requirements of paragraph 9(2)(e) are clear. The NtK must:

“state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver AND INVITE THE KEEPER”—

“TO PAY THE UNPAID PARKING CHARGES” (as per subparagraph (i)).

It is a common error for POPLA assessors to overlook the importance of the last three words of paragraph 9(2)(e), which are "INVITE THE KEEPER," and fail to properly link them to the next requirement in subparagraph (i): "TO PAY THE UNPAID PARKING CHARGES." This distinction is vital, as the requirement to INVITE THE KEEPER is explicit in the legislation and cannot be ignored. POPLA assessors must carefully check whether the NtK explicitly fulfills this requirement, as otherwise they are failing in their duty to impartially assess the operator’s compliance with PoFA.

The operator’s NtK fails to explicitly INVITE THE KEEPER to pay the unpaid parking charges, as required by paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). Whilst the word "INVITE" itself does not have to be used, there must at least be a synonym or clear equivalent that serves to INVITE THE KEEPER. Simply inferring that the Keeper must be invited by the fact that the PCN is addressed to them does not satisfy the requirement of the Act. This omission constitutes a failure to comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA.

The law is clear that FULL compliance with PoFA is necessary for Keeper liability to apply. Partial or substantial compliance does not suffice. Any failure to meet ALL the requirements renders the NtK non-compliant and prevents the operator from transferring liability from the driver to the Keeper. The operator’s assertion that their NtK is compliant with paragraph 9(2)(b) (which concerns the amount of the charge) does not address their failure to comply with paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). Compliance with some provisions of PoFA does not equate to compliance with the ENTIRETY of Schedule 4.

As the operator has failed to comply FULLY with PoFA, they cannot hold the Keeper liable for the alleged parking charge. The operator’s evidence pack does not rebut this point, nor does it provide any explanation for their failure to INVITE THE KEEPER to pay the charge as required by paragraph 9(2)(e)(i).

The operator’s NtK is not FULLY compliant with PoFA because it fails to meet the requirements of paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). The operator cannot transfer liability to the Keeper unless they meet ALL the requirements of PoFA. Their failure to do so means that the Parking Charge Notice is unenforceable against the Keeper.

In conclusion, the operator has failed to meet the burden of proof to show that the PCN is enforceable. They have not demonstrated that the alleged terms and conditions were validly authorised by the landowner, nor have they shown full compliance with the requirements of PoFA to establish Keeper liability. I respectfully request that this appeal be upheld, and the Parking Charge Notice cancelled.
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: booyaka on December 01, 2024, 07:59:21 pm
Thanks. Have re attached without personal information.

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Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: booyaka on December 01, 2024, 06:14:51 pm
Euro Car Parks have come back with this. I have an option to add some motorist comments, how should I respond?
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: b789 on November 11, 2024, 02:24:13 pm
It will go to a county court claim but it will never get as far as a hearing. They will discontinue just before they have to pay the trial fee as long as the claim is defended.
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: booyaka on November 10, 2024, 09:46:52 pm
Thanks very much. I have appealed to POPLA and am happy to take the risk of a court case.
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: DWMB2 on November 05, 2024, 03:33:44 pm
Unless you're also seeking to advance an argument that the charge is distinguished from the Beavis case by not being commercially justified, I'd be minded to leave out point #5
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: b789 on November 05, 2024, 03:26:49 pm
There is very little chance that POPLA will accept any appeal. If they do, great but unlikely.

The normal process of these claims is that they eventually issue county court claim through DCB Legal. This is easily defended as we will provide a template for the defence. Eventually, once all the hoops have been jumped through, they will discontinue and that will be the end of it.

I am 99.9% confident that that is what is going to happen. They rely on their victims being low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree and that they will capitulate once litigation starts. Eventually, when the time comes for them to pay the trial fee, if you haven't folded, they will discontinue and move on in search of lower-hanging fruit to pick.

Here is something you can throw at POPLA, for what it's worth:

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POPLA Verification Code: [Verification Code]
Euro Car Parks (ECP) PCN Number: [PCN Number]
Re: Appeal against ECP Parking Charge Notice

I am the registered keeper of vehicle XXX and am writing to appeal the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by ECP on XXX at XXX. This appeal is based on the following detailed grounds, which demonstrate that the charge is invalid, unfair, and unenforceable.

1. Non-compliance with Keeper Liability under PoFA

ECP has not met the requirements for keeper liability under PoFA. In order to be able to hold the Keeper liable, all the requirements of PoFA must be met. In the Notice to Keeper, ECP have failed to include the requirement of paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) as there is no invitation to the Keeper to pay the charge. As the operator has not fully complied with PoFA, they cannot hold the registered keeper liable for the alleged parking charge. Since the operator has failed to establish the driver’s identity and has not provided sufficient evidence to meet PoFA requirements, the liability cannot be transferred from the driver to the keeper.

2. No Evidence of Landholder Authority

The operator is also put to strict proof, by means of contemporaneous and unredacted evidence, of a chain of authority flowing from the landholder of the "relevant land" to the operator. It is not accepted that the operator has adhered to the landholder's definitions, exemptions, grace period, hours of operation, etc. and any instructions to cancel charges due to complaints. There is no evidence that the freeholder authorises this operator to issue parking charges or what the land enforcement boundary and start/expiry dates are, nor whether this operator has standing to enforce such charges in their own name rather than a bare licence to act as an agent ‘on behalf of’ the landowner.

The operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice. As this operator does not have proprietary interest in the “relevant land” then I require that they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the landowner. The contract and any 'site agreement' or 'User Manual' setting out details including exemptions - such as any 'genuine customer' or 'genuine resident' exemptions or any site occupier's 'right of veto' charge cancellation rights - is key evidence to define what this operator is authorised to do and any circumstances where the landowner/firms on site in fact have a right to cancellation of a charge. It cannot be assumed, just because an agent is contracted to merely put some signs up and issue Parking Charge Notices, that the agent is also authorised to make contracts with all or any category of visiting drivers and/or to enforce the charge in court in their own name (legal action regarding land use disputes generally being a matter for a landowner only). Witness statements are not sound evidence of the above, often being pre-signed, generic documents not even identifying the case in hand or even the site rules.

A witness statement might in some cases be accepted by POPLA but in this case I suggest it is unlikely to sufficiently evidence the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement. Nor would it define vital information such as charging days/times, any exemption clauses, grace periods (which I believe may be longer than the bare minimum times set out in the BPA CoP) and basic information such as the land boundary and bays where enforcement applies/does not apply.

Not forgetting evidence of the various restrictions which the landowner has authorised can give rise to a charge and, of course, how much the landowner authorises this agent to charge (which cannot be assumed to be the sum on a sign because template private parking terms and sums have been known not to match the actual landowner agreement). Paragraph 7 of the BPA Code of Practice defines the mandatory requirements and I put this operator to strict proof of full compliance:

7.2 If the operator wishes to take legal action on any outstanding parking charges, they must ensure that they have the written authority of the landowner (or their appointed agent) prior to legal action being taken.

7.3 The written authorisation must also set out:

(a) the definition of the land on which you may operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly defined
(b) any conditions or restrictions on parking control and enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of operation
(c) any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and enforcement
(d) who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining signs
(e) the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement


3. Inadequate and Unclear Signage – No Contract Formed

The signage at the location in question is insufficient to form a contract between ECP and the driver. The signs must comply with the BPA Code of Practice, Section 18 and Appendix B, to adequately inform the driver of the terms and conditions.

Issues with Signage:

1. Lack of Prominent and Clear Signage:

Signs must be prominently displayed and easily readable. The signage at the site is obscured, too high, or positioned in such a way that it cannot be seen or read by a driver entering the car park. This contravenes the BPA Code, which states that terms must be clear and legible.

2. Small and Inadequate Font Size:

The terms are in small print, making it impossible for a driver to read them without stopping and getting out of the vehicle. This is particularly problematic for any clauses that might impose a penalty. According to the "Red Hand Rule," established in J. Spurling Ltd v Bradshaw [1956], terms that seek to impose a significant detriment or penalty must be displayed in a particularly clear and prominent manner. In this case, the terms were not prominently highlighted, akin to the "red hand" standard mentioned by Lord Denning, which requires that any unusual or onerous terms be drawn to the attention of the other party in a conspicuous manner.

(https://i.imgur.com/R2ljmCN.jpeg)

4. Failure to Comply with BPA Code of Practice

ECP is a member of the BPA and must adhere to its Code of Practice. Multiple sections of the Code have been breached in this case:

4.1. Section 18.1 – Entrance Signs

• The BPA Code of Practice mandates that entrance signs must clearly indicate that the car park is managed and that terms and conditions apply. No such signs were visible at the entrance to this car park, which means no contract could be formed upon entry.

4.2. Section 13 – Grace Periods

• The BPA Code requires a reasonable grace period for drivers to read the terms and decide whether to stay and another grace period to leave. The PCN issued does not reflect that the driver was allowed any grace period to comply with these terms.

4.3. Section 20.5 – Complaints Procedure:

• ECP must have an accessible and clear complaints procedure. The correspondence provided did not offer information on how to file a complaint about this unfair charge.

5. The Charge is Not a Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss

The parking charge demanded does not represent a genuine pre-estimate of loss and serves as a penalty rather than a fair reflection of any loss suffered by ECP or the landowner.

Arguments Against the Charge:

• No Financial Loss: The car park is either free or has a very low parking fee, meaning that the operator has suffered no actual loss.

• Disproportionate Charge: The charge is punitive and does not reflect any actual loss. It is clear that the charge is designed to penalise the driver rather than to recover a genuine pre-estimate of loss.

Conclusion

Based on the above points, it is evident that ECP has failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, the BPA Code of Practice, and the basic principles of contract law. The signage is inadequate and there are multiple breaches of the Code. Therefore, I respectfully request that this appeal be upheld, and the Parking Charge Notice be cancelled.

Thank you for your consideration.
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: booyaka on November 05, 2024, 01:55:23 pm
Hi b789. Just wondering, did you manage to write up a draft for the POPLA appeal? The deadline is tomorrow and worried I’m going to miss it. I’ve tried asking people in the retails stores if they know when the parking terms changed but no luck. Thanks.
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: booyaka on November 03, 2024, 07:01:56 pm
Thank you b789.

Yes that is the correct car park.

I do not know when the parking terms changed sorry. However, you can see the unrestricted 3 hour parking sign on a street view picture dated February 2023 if that helps.
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: b789 on November 03, 2024, 05:49:14 pm
Was this the car park at this location?

(https://i.imgur.com/CMMx5SS.jpeg) (https://maps.app.goo.gl/A5HaiCortysapxtq5)

If so, do you know when their terms of parking changed from unrestricted 3 hour parking to the terms in the sign in their response to your appeal?

(https://i.imgur.com/MQih9hi.jpeg)

Please let us know the answer. I will put something together for your POPLA appeal tomorrow.

Don't hold up too much hope with POPLA. The most likely outcome of this is going to be a claim issued through DCB Legal which, once defended with the advice from here will be discontinued early next year.
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: booyaka on November 03, 2024, 05:25:17 pm
What should the reason for appeal be to POPLA? That the registered keeper was not the driver?
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: b789 on October 17, 2024, 12:59:30 am
Yes, POPLA is your next step. You have until Wednesday 6th November ember to submit your POPLA appeal.
Title: Re: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: booyaka on October 16, 2024, 07:55:04 pm
Thanks b789.

The keeper responded with this

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.


And they have responded with this

(https://i.imgur.com/dFANacT.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MwrX5j0.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bqHvqpH.jpeg)

What's the best process now? Should the registered keeper appeal to POPLA?

Any help is much appreciated. Thank you.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: b789 on September 07, 2024, 03:17:55 pm
The registered keeper is the person who has received the Notice to Keeper (NtK) and is the only person who can respond. The Keeper has two choices... identify the driver and transfer liability or appeal as the Keeper without identifying the driver.

There is a technical flaw in the NtK that means that the liability for the charge cannot be transferred to the Keeper. To be able to transfer the liability for the charge from the driver (unknown to ECP) to the Keeper, ECP must comply fully with all the requirements of PoFA 2012. They haven't.

There is no "invitation", nor any synonym of the word, for the Keeper to pay the charge. PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) specifically states that the NtK MUST contain an invitation to the Keeper to pay the charge. It doesn't. This means that only the driver can be liable and the ONLY way that ECP can now who the driver is, is if the Keeper tells them.

If the driver is know to ECP then PoFA does not apply and it is much much more difficult to appeal and/or defend. So, is the Keeper prepared to appeal without revealing the drivers identity or are they going to throw the driver under the bus and identify them to ECP?

The driver ca so all the work but it must be done in the Keepers name.
Title: Euro Car Parks PCN – Not Authorised to Park – Blackheath Road Retail Park, Greenwich
Post by: booyaka on September 07, 2024, 12:15:47 pm
Upon entering the car park at 01:15am, the driver found a space, parked up, and went to a shop outside of the retail park. On 22nd August, the registered keeper received a PCN through the post. The driver is just a named driver and not the registered keeper.

Any help would be much appreciated.

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