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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: DolbyAtmos on September 04, 2024, 06:31:17 pm
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So Unfortunately we were not successful with the adjudicator :'(
Please find attached the link to the decision.
Decision pg1 (https://imgur.com/a/lKlU3gE)
Decision pg2 (https://imgur.com/pUmKfbJ)
Decision pg2 (https://imgur.com/K6L3R9M)
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:'( .............
2240473789
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Now the 6th upside down, ;D
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Has an appeal been registered?
Yes. 26th.
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Has an appeal been registered?
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I am trying to find out via Google where this YBJ is.
@Hippocrates
Using 'self storage High Road Goodmayes' as search term I came up with this
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FvjWdVXLV9nbCoWq7
which looks like the location.
The High Road is very long, but the satellite view
https://maps.app.goo.gl/P5ewca2RiB72JV8L6
does not appear to show many in Goodmayes.
Thanks John. I think I found another one. This is my point - takes a long time to find the correct one if at all.
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I am trying to find out via Google where this YBJ is.
@Hippocrates
Using 'self storage High Road Goodmayes' as search term I came up with this
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FvjWdVXLV9nbCoWq7
which looks like the location.
The High Road is very long, but the satellite view
https://maps.app.goo.gl/P5ewca2RiB72JV8L6
does not appear to show many in Goodmayes.
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I am trying to find out via Google where this YBJ is.
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ok sent you a PM
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Please e mail the paperwork and your phone number so I can file the appeal.
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I say Tribunal time.
Okay, sounds like the next step ! Can you guide me to relevant things i need to do ?
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I say Tribunal time.
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De minimus got to be lower than 3.5-4 secs to win this in my view - less than 3 secs we've seen in one council policy but that was ages ago.
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Hi, sorry for the late response. I attach a copy of the email receipt after i submitted my representation.
PCN Representation Submission (https://imgur.com/a/DhNnpMj)
I kept it to " I believe the contravention did not occur due to de minimis of 3,5 to 4 seconds"
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PM sent. Please show us the representations you made.
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Hello, Sorry i think we may have got our wires crossed, so apologies if my previous information was confusing.
I received the official Notice of Rejection of representation letter a couple of days ago. I would be grateful if you can provide any advice on what further action i need to take.
Notice of Rejection of Representation pg1 (https://imgur.com/7wi9RUx)
Notice of Rejection of representaion pg2 - pg6 (https://imgur.com/a/K9HyG92)
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I was just going to PM you to make representations but saw this this morning which is wholly wrong:
The outstanding balance is £130.00
You can view details to pay for your PCN.
The period when you could contest this PCN has expired.
Penalty Charge Notice: AF99049380
Vehicle registration: YT66HJA
Contravention date: Tuesday, 27 Aug 2024 17:40
Contravention: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited
Street: HIGH ROAD; GOODMAYES
Location:
Status: Representation Rejected
The outstanding balance is £130.00
Pay your Penalty Charge Notice now.
I will advise in detail what to write to them and suggest you authorise me now. They did this in Case No. 2240175190 and they are wrong to do it again.
Or send this immediately to: parkingandtrafficenforcement@redbridge.gov.uk
Dear Sirs
Ref: PCN: AF99049380 VRM: YT66HJA
I refer to the said PCN dated 2nd September. Upon attempting to make representations today, I was presented with information that the period in which to contest the PCN has expired and that the status is Representation is Rejected.
This is wholly unacceptable as the date of the PCN is 2nd September. You did exactly the same in Case No 2240175190 (which you lost) and I know this to be true as I am currently being advised by the same representative. Therefore, as I am well within the 28 days in which to make a representation according to the law, I require you to rescind the current status forthwith and consider the following representations:
1. The contravention did not occur as the box junction is worn and the time stopped was de minimis.
2. Your website challenge page expressly limits to one ground of representation which flies in the face of the information given on the PCN and the law.
Therefore, in light of the above, please cancel the PCN.
P.S.: Please also register this as a formal complaint since your council is rather prone to making these unlawful demands for money.
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PM sent.
Now struck out. While I am prepared to help with this case, I cannot possibly accept being embarrassed in this way. OPs MUST update details/actions as appropriate.
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Phew. Panic over. I wish you had posted a draft first as I would have advised you to mention the website issue. So now I have to amend my previous post.
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@DolbyAtmos. Please explain what has happened here e.g. if you have made representations, has a Notice of Rejection been received? Also, if you have, please regularly update the thread.
Hi Hippocrates,
So i have made the representation online on 24th September 2024 about the De minimis 4 seconds , no Notice of Rejection received as of yet, will check post today if anything comes through.
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@DolbyAtmos. Please explain what has happened here e.g. if you have made representations, has a Notice of Rejection been received? Also, if you have, please regularly update the thread.
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@DolbyAtmos I have sent you two PMs.
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I was just going to PM you to make representations but saw this this morning which is wholly wrong:
The outstanding balance is £130.00
You can view details to pay for your PCN.
The period when you could contest this PCN has expired.
Penalty Charge Notice: AF99049380
Vehicle registration: YT66HJA
Contravention date: Tuesday, 27 Aug 2024 17:40
Contravention: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited
Street: HIGH ROAD; GOODMAYES
Location:
Status: Representation Rejected
The outstanding balance is £130.00
Pay your Penalty Charge Notice now.
I will advise in detail what to write to them and suggest you authorise me now. They did this in Case No. 2240175190 and they are wrong to do it again.
Or send this immediately to: parkingandtrafficenforcement@redbridge.gov.uk
Dear Sirs
Ref: PCN: AF99049380 VRM: YT66HJA
I refer to the said PCN dated 2nd September. Upon attempting to make representations today, I was presented with information that the period in which to contest the PCN has expired and that the status is Representation is Rejected.
This is wholly unacceptable as the date of the PCN is 2nd September. You did exactly the same in Case No 2240175190 (which you lost) and I know this to be true as I am currently being advised by the same representative. Therefore, as I am well within the 28 days in which to make a representation according to the law, I require you to rescind the current status forthwith and consider the following representations:
1. The contravention did not occur as the box junction is worn and the time stopped was de minimis.
2. Your website challenge page expressly limits to one ground of representation which flies in the face of the information given on the PCN and the law.
Therefore, in light of the above, please cancel the PCN.
P.S.: Please also register this as a formal complaint since your council is rather prone to making these unlawful demands for money.
****
PM sent.
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Count 28 days from the 4th September.
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As they reoffer the discount, I would wait a bit.
Draft to follow: de minimis (4 seconds) and website grounds. But probably leave the latter until later.
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https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-redbridge-31j-contravention-(yellow-box)/msg34088/#msg34088
Please go through the screens and screenshot the grounds. This one limits to one ground which contradicts the PCN and law.
I will check some cases re this place.
Please see the screen shots when i go onto the website to challenge the PCN. I think the last screenshot is the important one with the grounds.
Screenshots (https://imgur.com/a/AJIPlif)
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PCN number please. I will advise later re their website as there is a problem.
Hi Hippocrates, PCN number is AF99049380
Sorry I am a twit. VRM I meant.
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https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-redbridge-31j-contravention-(yellow-box)/msg34088/#msg34088
Please go through the screens and screenshot the grounds. This one limits to one ground which contradicts the PCN and law.
I will check some cases re this place.
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PCN number please. I will advise later re their website as there is a problem.
Hi Hippocrates, PCN number is AF99049380
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PCN number please. I will advise later re their website as there is a problem.
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My wife drove car into a box junction on High Road, Goodmayes. She was stopped in the box for 3.5 to 4 seconds from the time counter on the video. I am trying to see if there will be anyway to make a representation that it was a short space of time and also the box junction road marking is very worn out ?
I have uploaded the video and the PCN for any of you knowledgeable members who can please help me out.
PCN page 1 (https://i.imgur.com/P56Ot2W.jpg)
PCN page 2 (https://i.imgur.com/PeWlN5p.jpg)
Video Footage (https://vimeo.com/1006298946?share=copy)