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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: ObserverOfLife on August 29, 2024, 09:03:43 am

Title: Re: Guildford Council - G-Live Car Park: Code 73: Parking without making a payment
Post by: Hippocrates on September 06, 2024, 12:26:01 pm
They must have known I would be busking down there or else.  :o
Title: Re: Guildford Council - G-Live Car Park: Code 73: Parking without making a payment
Post by: Incandescent on September 06, 2024, 11:56:54 am
Wow, that was quick. Well done !
Title: Re: Guildford Council - G-Live Car Park: Code 73: Parking without making a payment
Post by: Hippocrates on September 06, 2024, 11:24:08 am
Well done.
Title: Re: Guildford Council - G-Live Car Park: Code 73: Parking without making a payment
Post by: ObserverOfLife on September 06, 2024, 10:37:52 am
Morning folks - Just an update, I neglected to post earlier this week.

45 minutes after I appealed, they have cancelled the PCN. Amazed how quick it has taken but thanks for all of your help here.

Have a great weekend!
Title: Re: Guildford Council - G-Live Car Park: Code 73: Parking without making a payment
Post by: ObserverOfLife on August 30, 2024, 10:44:56 am
Thanks folks - I presume a copy of past ownership might reinforce the appeal?

Guildford council has a significant debt so I do wonder how lenient they might be... I will let you know the outcome!
Title: Re: Guildford Council - G-Live Car Park: Code 73: Parking without making a payment
Post by: stamfordman on August 29, 2024, 10:42:43 am
Guildford will cancel this according to its policy. A simple, short polite challenge saying you accidentally made an error with selecting the VRM for a car you no longer own on the app but did pay for parking for your current car (evidence enclosed) and hope the council will cancel on this first occasion and that you have deleted the old VRM and will not make the mistake again.

(https://i.ibb.co/SBTccWW/Screenshot-2024-08-29-at-10-38-02.png)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Os9iQ3OXokX9NNAmoGHFUG9L1L2FTNmR/view
Title: Re: Guildford Council - G-Live Car Park: Code 73: Parking without making a payment
Post by: Incandescent on August 29, 2024, 10:35:20 am
OK, PCN is for failure to pay the parking charge, but you did pay, albeit for the wrong reg number, so you're in with a good chance of cancellation, assuming the council aren't venal and rapacious.
Title: Re: Guildford Council - G-Live Car Park: Code 73: Parking without making a payment
Post by: ObserverOfLife on August 29, 2024, 09:25:21 am
Thank you - Imgur was blocked on work laptop but managed to do it via phone. Hope the link works.
Title: Re: Guildford Council - G-Live Car Park: Code 73: Parking without making a payment
Post by: Incandescent on August 29, 2024, 09:11:19 am
Read this and update your post accordingly: -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
We absolutely must see the documents.
Title: Guildford Council - G-Live Car Park: Code 73: Parking without making a payment
Post by: ObserverOfLife on August 29, 2024, 09:03:43 am
Good morning,

Hoping that this is going to be a straightforward appeal.

Yesterday, we were surprised to receive a PCN (At bottom) on our vehicle after attending a show at G-Live with my young daughter. To make a long story short, the Pay & Display machine only accepted coins and we made concrete effort to reluctantly re-downloaded the RingGo app to pay the minimum charge of £4+ for 3 hours (I hate parking apps with a passion). We were only there for 1 hour 20 minutes.

After the PCN, we discovered that the RingGo app had used the default setting of our old number plate, which was sold in 2021. It is an honest mistake for not double-checking, however, I do not recall at any point, did the app ask to re-confirm the number plate. The parking code 73 stated "Parking without payment of the parking charge".

I have evidence that payment was made, with no intention of depriving the council of revenue. Is there a template for appeal?

My thoughts are:

- Evidence that payment was made albeit with incorrect number plate
- Evidence that the default number plate was previously owned by us (I am also looking for confirmation that we sold the car to prove we no longer own the car). Our previous car was also a Volkswagen so there are similarity to our current car.
- No signage/T&Cs on-site specifying number plates is required as part of payment (If paid by coins, no number plate is required).
- Inadequate choice of payments as expected machines to include contactless option.
- Most importantly for them, there were no intention to deprive council of revenue/loss of earnings.

I have several pictures of any signage in close proximity, even at the entrance and there were no T&Cs at all.

Grateful for any thoughts or guidance on appealing.

As a starting point, to use evidence of payment as first point then evidence of past ownership of the default number plate then point out it is clear that there were no intention to deprive council of revenue.

PCN Doc:

https://imgur.com/a/zKKV1gk


Many thanks