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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Bandi on August 23, 2024, 08:09:51 pm

Title: Re: PCN CPM UK Vehicle not registered ANPR
Post by: Bandi on May 21, 2025, 11:17:01 pm
Hello, before sending the letter, my friend would like to ensure everything is correct.  Regarding the letter we must send, the reference number needs to be included? Thank you so much!
Title: Re: PCN CPM UK Vehicle not registered ANPR
Post by: DWMB2 on May 13, 2025, 08:52:54 am
Correct - you should not return any associated paperwork/forms that the law firm may have sent.
Title: Re: PCN CPM UK Vehicle not registered ANPR
Post by: Bandi on May 13, 2025, 08:25:05 am
Hello. Thank you for clarifying.  To confirm my understanding, we will only return the letter you provided.

Thank you again for sharing your wisdom!
Title: Re: PCN CPM UK Vehicle not registered ANPR
Post by: b789 on May 12, 2025, 05:53:18 pm
This is the suggested response to the LoC:

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Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle and I will defend any claim vigorously and seek costs in relation to your client’s unreasonable and vexatious conduct under Part 27.14(2)(g)

Because your letter lacks specificity and breaches the requirements of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (paragraphs 3.1(a)-(d), 5.1 and 5.2) as well as the Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct (paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c)), you must treat this letter as a formal request for all of the documents/information that the protocol now requires your client to provide. Your client must not issue proceedings without complying with that protocol.

As solicitors you must surely be familiar with the requirements of both the Practice Direction and the Pre-Action Protocol for debt claims and your client, as a serial litigator of debt claims, should likewise be aware of them. As you (and your client) must know, the Practice Direction and Protocol bind all potential litigants, whatever the size or type of the claim. Its express purpose is to assist parties in understanding the claim and their respective positions in relation to it, to enable parties to take stock of their positions and to negotiate a settlement, or at least narrow the issues, without incurring the costs of court proceedings or using up valuable court time. It is embarrassing that a firm of Solicitors are sending a consumer a vague and un-evidenced 'Letter of Claim' in complete ignorance of the pre-existing Practice Direction and the Pre-Action Protocol.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol. Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. An explanation of the cause of action
2. whether they are pursuing me as driver or keeper
3. whether they are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012
4. what the details of the claim are; for how long it is claimed the vehicle was parked, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated
5. Is the claim for a contractual breach? If so, what is the date of the agreement? The names of the parties to it and provide to me a copy of that contract.
6. If the claim is for a contractual breach, photographs showing the vehicle was parked in contravention of said contract.
7. Is the claim for trespass? If so, provide details.
8. Provide me a copy of the contract with the landowner under which they assert authority to bring the claim, as required by the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP).
9. a plan showing where any signs were displayed
10. Photographs of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed) at the time of any alleged contravention.
11. Provide details of the original charge, and detail any interest and administrative or other charges added
12. Am I to understand that the additional £70 represents what is dressed up as a 'Debt Recovery' fee, and if so, is this nett or inclusive of VAT? If the latter, would you kindly explain why I am being asked to pay the operator’s VAT?
13. Under what authority is this £70 fee, given the ParkingEye v Beavis ruling rejected such extras as unrecoverable.
14. With regard to the principal alleged PCN sum: Is this damages, or will it be pleaded as consideration for parking?

I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

Yours faithfully,
Title: Re: PCN CPM UK Vehicle not registered ANPR
Post by: Bandi on May 12, 2025, 05:23:15 pm
Hello, thank you. I have asked my friend for the full letter.
https://imgur.com/a/6SsX89A
Title: Re: PCN CPM UK Vehicle not registered ANPR
Post by: b789 on May 12, 2025, 12:42:16 pm
Tell your friend that they must not, under any circumstances, use any of the forms that came with the Letter of Claim (LoC). Show us the LoC so that a suitable response can be provided.

The PCN simply stated that the contravention was “Vehicle not registered”. There is no explanation on how that is a breach of any terms. We need to see how that contravention has been explained in the LoC.

As the driver was identified, any defence will rely on Jopson v Homeguard. Delivering, loading & unloading is not “Vehicle not registered”.
Title: Re: PCN CPM UK Vehicle not registered ANPR
Post by: Bandi on May 12, 2025, 11:08:18 am
Hello, I'm writing because my friend just received a letter of claim from Bwlegal, and he has 30 days to file the form and send it back.  Knowing the options available, what are his chances of winning in court? He still thinks the ticket was issued wrongly, especially considering he was delivering/unloading, not parked. Thank you.
 I attach the original reason why they did dismissed my appeal and the residential area he was delivering."

"Whilst we note the comments and reason for appeal, we can confirm that the vehicle remained on site for 32 minutes with no permit to authorise your stay. We must advise that this car park is run by Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) cameras which take a time and date stamped image of the vehicle on entry and exit, measuring the length of time the vehicle remained on site, this information is then cross-referenced with the data from the permit systems. Due to no permit being found, we can confirm that this PCN has been issued correctly."

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Title: Re: PCN CPM UK Vehicle not registered ANPR
Post by: b789 on August 26, 2024, 01:03:00 pm
Under no circumstances should the keeper ever, ever, ever communicate with the debt collectors. The are unable to do anything and are not a party to the contract the driver is alleged to have breached. Their sole purpose is to try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying the now inflated amount out of ignorance.

The fee has been increased by adding on a fake debt recovery fee of £70. If this ever went to court and the claim was not successfully defended, the amount awarded is never as much as originally claimed as the fake add ins are not allowed in a “small claim”. There is no risk of a CCJ because, in the unlikely event of losing the claim, as long as the judgment amount is paid within 28 days, there is no record of it on the credit file. It is completely expunged.

That is a worst case scenario. The most likely scenario, if it ever goes as far as a claim in the small claims track of the county court is that the claimant will discontinue once they realise that the defendant is willing to take it all the way. Their modus operandi is to try and scare the defendant into paying and once they realise that they haave to pay the trial fee, they move on to lower-hanging fruit.

So, for now, as advised, weather the useless debt collector letters. They really have no powers to do anything. Come back if/when an LoC is received. A real LoC will give 30:days to pay or respond. Anything giving only 14 days to pay is not an LoC and can be ignored.

For future reference, if a PCN is received by the keeper, never, ever reveal the identity of the driver unless advised otherwise. Always appeal as the keeper. There is no legal obligation for the keeper to identify the driver.

Title: Re: PCN CPM UK Vehicle not registered ANPR
Post by: Bandi on August 26, 2024, 12:38:25 pm
He confessed that he was the driver because he had been in similar situations before and the private parking ticket was canceled after he explained the reasons. However, this was not the case this time.

He has received the final letter, which can be viewed here:

https://imgur.com/a/LctT7Os

He is understandably anxious about this situation. Should he contact the debt collectors and explain the situation in the hopes that UK CPM will cancel the ticket, or should he continue to ignore the letters?
Title: Re: PCN CPM UK Vehicle not registered ANPR
Post by: b789 on August 23, 2024, 08:21:34 pm
I’m assuming the keeper blabbed the identity of the driver in their appeals. Pity, because the NtK is not fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA and had the drivers identity remained unknown, the charge could not be transferred to the keeper.

As the appeals process has been exhausted, the keeper should ignore all debt collector letters. Come back if/when a Letter of Claim (LoC) is received.
Title: PCN CPM UK Vehicle not registered ANPR
Post by: Bandi on August 23, 2024, 08:09:51 pm
Hello everyone, I am writing to seek advice regarding a parking ticket situation.

My friend received a parking ticket from UK CPM for "Vehicle not registered ANPR."

The letter https://imgur.com/a/mqCzLEI

He appealed the PCN UK CPM and ISA, explaining that he had several deliveries to make, approximately 6-7, as he works part-time for the Amazon Flex program, which involves using his car for deliveries.

This is the estate:
https://imgur.com/a/dyMMjp2

THIS are the sign.
https://imgur.com/a/MLvGCBj

After both appeals were rejected, he decided not to pay the parking charge because he believes it was unfairly issued.

He has received 3 letters from debt collectors, but he has ignored them.

What's he's best option regarding this situation.!

Thank you!