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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: benb76 on August 21, 2024, 11:21:36 am

Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: DWMB2 on February 25, 2026, 08:53:44 am
At 75 minutes, the cost of the transcript will be quite high
If the cost is prohibitive but you still want something, you can (from memory) opt to just have the judgement transcribed.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: InterCity125 on February 25, 2026, 07:54:35 am
Congratulations - sounds like their noses were well and truly rubbed in it.

Also, great to hear about a very competent Judge who was happy to take his time and listen to both parties.

At 75 minutes, the cost of the transcript will be quite high - make some enquiries as these transcripts are like gold dust to groups like us.


Once the dust settles, you may want to do a short report setting out what you remember - it's all useful info.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 24, 2026, 08:06:50 pm
Thanks. The agent asked if I was driving and raised a lot of points and cases, the judge also asked him a lot of questions and picked apart the case. I then went through the points you advised on when I gave my evidence and it initially went on for 75 mins, followed by a break and then we came back and the judge gave his judgement.

I will pursue the costs for sure. Thanks again.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: DWMB2 on February 24, 2026, 07:33:14 pm
Very well done for standing your ground, and thank you for updating us on the outcome.

Did you have to say much?

Make sure you get your costs!
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 24, 2026, 06:45:26 pm
Thank you.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: jfollows on February 24, 2026, 06:43:23 pm
See https://www.gov.uk/apply-transcript-court-tribunal-hearing
There is a cost

Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 24, 2026, 06:34:24 pm
Sorry, I was not clear above. I meant to say, will the judgement of today's decision, my case against VCS, be available for me to access online anywhere? Thanks.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: jfollows on February 24, 2026, 06:32:34 pm
Well done.
Still at https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/w0k19zxzlpf9eumu68u7b/VCS-v-EDWARDS-Transcript.pdf?rlkey=5t2gilebrjx7g0d6jmy32lou4&e=1&dl=0
No guarantee it will always be there, but I found it through Google in under a minute.

Also https://www.scribd.com/document/676990739/VCS-Limited-v-Ian-Mark-Edward
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 24, 2026, 06:29:35 pm
Just wanted to post an update to say that I attended the hearing today and won! Hugely grateful for all the support I have received on this forum. The two main points that it seemed to hinge on, unsurprisingly, were them not being able to prove the identity of the driver and the contract issue.

Thank you for all the guidance, without which I probably wouldn't have taken it this far. Burgess of course did not attend but an agent did. The judge said he could not find VCS v Edward but fortunately I had printed off copies of it, as per your advice. The judge was very helpful. I don't know if the judgement is published anywhere but if it is I would be interested to know where to find it. The judge awarded me £103 costs.

For anyone else reading this in a similar situation, the judge agreed that I was under no legal obligation to disclose who the driver was to VCS. He said that there may be a gap in the law but it was not for this court to act on that.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: DWMB2 on February 23, 2026, 02:47:41 pm
Also, don't forget that you can introduce elements of 'humankind' and 'common sense' to your arguments - it doesn't have to be all legal talk.
And anecdotally, it often isn't. Often, judges want to get to the meat and bones of the claim, rather than spending time picking apart technical minutiae.

The only thing I would say in terms of running order;

I would definitely focus on the defective PoC to start with.
Likewise - my point around order was more that if the judge launches straight in and starts picking apart another element of their case, let 'em.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 23, 2026, 02:25:09 pm
Thank you, understood and much appreciated.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: InterCity125 on February 23, 2026, 01:30:00 pm
Agree with all the above.


Also, don't forget that you can introduce elements of 'humankind' and 'common sense' to your arguments - it doesn't have to be all legal talk.

It's highly likely that the claimant will focus on their 'balance of probabilities' argument in the early stages as they have nothing else.

So, for example, you could point out that a keeper nominating a driver would essentially amount to presenting the claimant with a pathway to liability when, at the time, no such liability could be established by the claimant - why would a keeper provide that information when that information would 'incriminate' either oneself, a family member, a close friend, or a work colleague etc and result in them getting a £170 charge? What kind of friend would do that?



The only thing I would say in terms of running order;

I would definitely focus on the defective PoC to start with.

They are pursuing you either as driver or as keeper using PoFA.

The claimant's WS is catastrophic to the claim since it acknowledges that they do not know who the driver was and that they are no longer using PoFA - in other words, they've just cut off the only two routes to legal liability.

Don't be surprised if the Judge bins the claim at that point.


Also, your case is part of a block of cases - if you get there slightly early then you may be first up - sometimes the Court Clerk will simply ask you, "Are you ready?" or "Are you waiting for anyone else?" - so arrive early and be keen to get started.

Your defence is very strong and by presenting it you may well have a knock on effect with other cases. Their legal rep will know this and may well bail out on your case if he feels that your evidence might cause greater 'collateral damage'.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 23, 2026, 11:10:17 am
Thank you, understood and very useful advice.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: DWMB2 on February 23, 2026, 10:49:18 am
Some more general points from me on the day itself:
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 23, 2026, 09:42:44 am
Thank you, I will do that.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: InterCity125 on February 23, 2026, 09:04:17 am
I would print four copies off.

The Judge may allow you to share the document in the hearing so all parties can see your arguments - the document is no more than a development of your stated skeleton defence.

If the VCS legal rep kicks off then you can point out that the Jake Burgess Witness Statement is at odds with the Particulars of Claim and, as such, you have had to further develop your defence to accommodate those changes.



I suggest that you also prepare a paragraph of text to say in the instance that the Judge asks if you were the driver.

Something like;

With respect to the Court, could I ask for some leeway on this point in order that I can present my defence. My understanding is that there is no legal requirement for a vehicle keeper to reveal who was driving and I feel that I can demonstrate this in  the presentation of my defence.



I would also download and print out four copies of VCS v Edward from the following link;

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/w0k19zxzlpf9eumu68u7b/VCS-v-EDWARDS-Transcript.pdf?rlkey=5t2gilebrjx7g0d6jmy32lou4&e=2&dl=0


Also, if Jake Burgess doesn't show then be sure to point out to the Judge that his statement is hearsay evidence - also mention that you feel that his non-attendance is detrimental to the defendant's position as there were bound to be questions that both yourself and the Court wished to ask.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 23, 2026, 08:42:12 am
Many thanks for your time and support with this, this will be very helpful tomorrow, I will let you know how I get on.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: InterCity125 on February 21, 2026, 08:57:53 am
Bristol Airport Hearing Points



1) Reliance on Protection of Freedoms Act (2014) for Keeper liability.


I am the vehicle keeper and, since this is a contract dispute, there is no legal requirement to reveal who was driving at the material time - this position is fully reinforced by solid case law which I will cover shortly.

The claimant's Particulars of Claim appear to be defective and not in keeping with the Witness Statement (WS) subsequently provided by Jake Burgess (JB) - the basis of the claim is therefore fundamentally flawed.

In his WS, JB clearly states that his company ARE NOT RELYING ON PROTECTION OF FREEDOMS ACT TO HOLD THE DEFENDANT LIABLE yet, an examination of the Particulars of Claim, as set out on the Claim Form, shows, at Point 4, that the defendant is being pursued by a claimant WHO IS using PoFA to invoke keeper liability.

JB appears to inadvertently sabotage his own claim in that respect since the claimant appears unable to prove who was driving on the day in question - that only leaves the PoFA based 'keeper liability' route when trying to establish the basis of his claim.

In his WS, JB states at point 23(v) that my defence comments on PoFA reliance are "baseless", yet the Particulars of Claim expressly set out his company's intention to rely on PoFA in order to transfer liability onto me as the vehicle keeper and as such JB's comments appear somewhat confused.

I would respectfully draw the Court's attention to the fact that JB appears very critical of my initial defence - I find it ironic that JB is being so critical of me when his behaviour appears to be so haphazard and lacks the professional attention to the detail which is needed when presenting evidence to the court.

This confusing situation is clearly detrimental to the defendant's position since it is now unclear how the claimant is actually holding the defendant liable when it is openly acknowledged, by the claimants head of legal and only witness, that PoFA keeper liability is not being relied upon - these 'shifting sands' make it far more difficult for the defendant to properly plead their case.

I had initially prepared my defence in order to rebut the claimant's reliance on PoFA as specifically set out on the claim form - I have subsequently been forced to re-jig my defence at very short notice - I am a litigant in person and not a legal professional.

A few questions to put before the Court in order to seek clarity on the nature of this claim;

Is the claimant pursuing me in the manner set out in the original County Court Claim or is the claim now being pursued in the alternative manner which is subsequently being put forward by JB in his witness statement?

Is the claimant using PoFA to invoke keeper liability or not?

Is the claimant allowed to retrospectively alter the nature of their claim after the claim form is issued?

After reading JB's WS it has become apparent that the claimant is seemingly altering the basis of the claim which is actually set out in the Particulars of Claim - he has replaced pursuit under PoFA keeper liability (point 4 on the claim) with some kind of twisted 'balance of probabilities' argument which appears to deliberately ignore the requirements of PoFA.

I believe that litigation exchanges have made the claimant aware of the fact that PoFA keeper liability cannot occur at the location in question and this has caused them to materially alter the basis of their claim.

Unfortunately, it appears that the claimant has only noticed the considerable errors in their PoC AFTER the claim was issued - they are now trying to cover these errors up.



2) Completely false assertion of keeper liability - a clearly deliberate attempt to circumvent the requirements of PoFA in order to establish keeper liability in circumstances where the vehicle driver is not known to them.


In his WS, and now seemingly aware of the fact that he cannot use PoFA to legally establish keeper liability at this location, JB appears to assert some kind of 'twisted legal logic' in order to deliberately circumvent the very strict requirements needed when establishing keeper liability under PoFA - with due respect, this seems like desperation on the claimant's part.

JB acknowledges that the driver is not known to the claimant but asserts that the keeper can still be pursued on the grounds that the keeper has not nominated any other driver - JB provides no legal basis for such an outrageous claim since there is absolutely no legal requirement for a vehicle keeper to nominate a driver to an unregulated parking operator - if the requirements of PoFA could so easily be circumvented in such a manner then PoFA need not exist?

Critically, PoFA does exist and performs without issue when correctly applied.

Essentially, JB asserts that the keeper can be 'presumed to be the driver in the absence of evidence to the contrary' - again, no recognised legal basis is set out - instead, a 'balance of probabilities' argument is presented - the argument is easily rebutted since there is no legal requirement for a vehicle keeper to engage with the private parking operator if they choose not to do so.

In both instances, JB's assertions actually reverses the recognised legal principles which requires that the claimant must prove who was driving - JB's assertion cannot be regarded as 'legal proof' and, as such, in the absence of any specific evidence, there is nothing for the defendant to rebut.

With all due respect, in simple terms, JB's assertions are a clear attempt to 'manufacture' his own synthesized version of PoFA where he sets the rules which are deliberately designed to fit with his weak legal position.

JB's assertion totally ignores the fact that a keeper may simply be exercising their right to say nothing - no adverse conclusion can be drawn from a keeper who remains quiet when there is no legal requirement to provide information to a private parking operator - once again, and again with all due respect, JB's WS evidence illustrates someone who is desperate to remove an individual's recognised legal right purely because it does not suit his own legal position when that individual exercises such a right.

CRITICALLY, all of JB's 'legal assertions' have already been fully tested AND DEFEATED in the Appeal Court, ironically, by exactly the same claimant, namely; VCS Ltd.

JB is well aware of this Appeal Court defeat and as such his behaviour appears completely unreasonable and, if I may say, disrespectful.

Not only does JB ignore the clear outcomes of that case, his comments appear to completely reverse the Judge's decision - from his comment's you'd think that VCS had actually won that case!

VCS Ltd v Edward [H0KF6C9C] is the persuasive case evidence in this matter and its outcome is compelling - in the case the Judge concludes that no assumption can be made (by VCS Ltd) on who was driving a particular vehicle at a particular time - it can not be 'assumed' that the keeper was the driver - the claimant must prove who was driving at the material time - the vehicle keeper is entitled to keep the driver details secret - the 'balance of probabilities' argument is completely dismantled and subsequently dismissed.

In particular I would like to draw the Court's attention to a number of the Judge's comments in that particular case;

Paragraph;

34 I am persuaded by Mr Yamba that the evidential effect of establishing that the defendant
was the relevant keeper, does not produce any inference, rebuttable or otherwise, that the
defendant was driving on this particular occasion. Therefore, there is no material
inference for the defendant to rebut. As there was nothing for him to rebut, it does not
seem to me to be right to draw an adverse inference from his failure to engage in seeking
to rebut it. Therefore, I find that the learned district judge fell into error in making the
finding she did.

35 I am fortified in my decision for three other reasons:

35.1 the finding I make is consistent with the underlying purpose of Schedule 4 to the
Protection of Freedoms Act, namely, that it was necessary to bring in keeper
liability pursuant to that legislation, because liability could not be established. If
this were not the case car parking companies could have simply have obtained the details of
the registered keeper, launched proceedings and waited to see whether or
not there was a positive defence put forward, and in the absence of a positive
defence they would have succeeded. If the court took such an approach, it would
have been imposing a duty on the registered keeper identify the driver, or at least
set out a positive case in order to avoid responsibility himself. In my judgment that
was not the position before the Protection from Freedoms Act was in force;

35.2 my decision preserves and respects the important general freedom from being
required to give information, absent a legal duty upon you to do so; and

35.3 it is consistent with the appropriate probability analysis whereby simply because
somebody is a registered keeper, it does not mean on balance of probability they
were driving on this occasion, because one simply cannot tell, For example, there
will be companies who are registered keepers of vehicles where many drivers have
the use of the vehicle from time to time. There will be individual employers are
the registered keeper but who allow a number of people who may drive their
vehicles. There may be situations where husband and wife are each registered
keepers of their respective vehicles but for some reason drive the other. Or there
may be situations where husband/wife is the registered keeper of both family cars
and the registered keeper regularly drives one car and their spouse regularly drives
the other. These are all possibilities which show that it is not appropriate to draw
an inference that, on balance of probability, the registered keeper was driving on
any given occasion.

36 Therefore, for these reasons, I take the view that the appeal succeeds, and the judgment
must be set aside. The claim must be dismissed, as must the material order for costs.


At this point I would respectfully ask the Court to dismiss this case - the claimant has provided no evidence as to who was driving - the claimant has stated that they do not wish to rely on PoFA after all - as such, there is no remaining method by which they can prove that I am liable.



(If the case is not dismissed at this point then carry on with evidence below)



3) Road classification.


Although it is accepted that the airport area is 'private land', the airport access road is actually classed as a road as defined by Section 142 of the Road Traffic Regulations Act (1984) (RTRA) - there are in fact no barriers or other obstructions which either exclude or limit access to the road network which serves the land-side areas of the airport  - as a result all roads are roads to which the public would reasonably have access - this is the clear definition in section 142 of RTRA and as such those airport roads have exactly the same legal classification as any public highway.

This means that any 'traffic penalty' would only be enforceable by Traffic Officers as set out in the Traffic Management Act (2004).



The claimant is therefore attempting to enforce traffic contraventions on what legally amounts to a public highway via the convoluted use of 'contract law' instead of normal traffic law - this behaviour is highly questionable due to the legal classification of these particular roads.

In his Witness Statement (WS), Jake Burgess (JB) continually refers to his company (VCS Ltd) 'managing the land' when talking about their enforcement activities - however, none of JB's evidence addresses the key legal fact that the enforcement is clearly taking place on the established road network which is passing over that land - the law makes clear distinction between 'car parks' and 'roads' in that respect - namely section 142 of RTRA.

JB's WS implies that the total airport area amounts to, in legal terms, one large car park - this is clearly not the case and I believe that JB is deliberately projecting his very specific narrative because acknowledging the true legal status of the airport roads would be fatal to his company's activities.






4) No valid contract formation.


In the first instance I would draw the Court's attention to the fact that none of the claimant's signage is illuminated - the claimant's pictures appear to be taken at 2am in the morning.

Could I ask the claimant to point out (on their provided plan) the locations of the three alleged contraventions - in JB's WS it says that these locations have been marked but all we appear to have is a generic plan showing all sign locations rather than the specific locations of the alleged contraventions?

The signs appear to be unilluminated and parallel to the road rather than facing traffic?

JB's claim of contract is made out of necessity and desperation rather than being based on any recognised contracting method - he simply recognises the fact that he MUST find a way to get all drivers under some kind of contract.

JB's WS appears to ignore any requirements or rules set out in consumer legislation regarding the formation of contracts between a business and a consumer - once again, this appears deliberate since consumer legislation is extremely detrimental to his company's activities.

In this instance, consumer legislation is again fatal to the claimants position.

When examined closely, JB's claim actually amounts to the concept of 'instant contract' based on conduct where the driver has no choice to either consider the contract terms or to DEMONSTRATE ALTERNATIVE CONDUCT.

It is claimed, that by driving past a sign at the airport entrance, all drivers instantly agree to all of the terms set out on the entrance signage and immediately become contracted parties.

This concept is in clear contravention of relevant consumer legislation.

In particular, Schedule 2 Paragraph 10 of the Consumer Rights Act (2015) specifies that, "A term which has the object or effect of irrevocably binding the consumer to terms with which the consumer has had no real opportunity of becoming acquainted before the conclusion of the contract" is to be considered an UNFAIR TERM.

Paragraph 10 appears to be fatal to the claimants case as the claimant is reliant on a contract being immediately enforceable without the driver having time to consider its terms - most drivers would pass the airport entrance sign in just a few seconds and would then instantly be considered, by VCS, to be a contracted party.

Furthermore, the allegation of 'contract through conduct' is highly questionable in this situation.

I have examined a number of contract through conduct cases.

In the first instance, contract through conduct normally requires a series of interactions between the two contracting parties - in this instance, VCS Ltd appear to be relying on one specific action by the driver to constitute sufficient conduct - this is legally unacceptable because one specific action by one party does not adequately demonstrate the intention to enter a contract - by way of example, a transaction in a shop is 'contract through conduct' - such a contract is formed by a series of several actions made by both parties and NOT BY ONE SINGLE ACTION BY ONE PARTY.

Secondly, in various cases, Judges have indicated that conduct which leads to contract must constitute conduct which is regarded as being 'traditional' in nature - meaning that the conduct being examined must be conduct which is openly recognised as being conduct which leads to a contract being formed.

I this instance, the alleged conduct of the driver does not pass either of the aforementioned tests - there is no multiple 'back and forth' between the two parties and the action of driving past a road sign is not openly recognised as being conduct which traditionally leads to contract - in this case it is clearly arguable that the vast majority of drivers would not even realise that their behaviour had allegedly formed such a contract.

Furthermore, the method used by VCS to establish contract would demonstrably constitute a 'pressure sales technique' - each driver entering the airport is given no choice but to drive past the entrance sign and thus become instantly contracted - this method establishes a 100% conversion rate from perspective client to contracted client - the consumer is pressured into forming the contract due to the deliberate layout of the claimant's signage.






5) Unlawful and unfair contract terms.


The claimant's contract term, "No Stopping" is both an unlawful term and an unfair contract term.

In the first instance, the term "No Stopping" is a contract term that the driver of a motor vehicle could never legally agree to - the law in this country makes vehicle drivers responsible for avoiding accidents in all circumstances regardless of who might be at fault - the primary method of accident prevention is stopping - any driver who agreed to such a contract term would therefore be breaking the law in doing so.

Notwithstanding the first point, the term "No Stopping" would be a clearly unfair term in a consumer contract - VCS have openly stated that, "Any reason for stopping is legally irrelevant" - this demonstrates the severity of the unfair nature of such a contract term - the term is a blanket unquantified term which leaves the consumer totally at the mercy of the claimant and is therefore a term that creates a massive imbalance in the rights of the two parties.

Furthermore, such a term leaves the driver in a position where they could receive a charge for events that are far beyond their control - once again the unfairness of the term is clearly demonstrated.





6) No valid or recognisable offer of contract.


There are a number of compelling reasons why the contract claimed by JB is invalid.

The signage set out in the operators evidence is not capable of forming a contract as the signage does not offer anything.

All signage is prohibitive in nature.

Alleged contracts between VCS Limited and a vehicle driver would clearly constitute a 'consumer contract' as defined in consumer legislation.

To be a valid consumer contract offer, the signage must offer something; either goods, digital content or services - no such description is set out and as such it would be impossible for the consumer to establish what is actually being offered as no clear offer is ever made.

Furthermore, legislation makes it clear that, in order for a valid contract to be formed, there must be 'an intention to form a legal relationship' by both the consumer and the trader.

In all instances, intention on the part of the driver can only occur if the driver clearly recognises that a contract offer has been made in the first instance.

Logic dictates that there can be no 'intention to form a contract', via conduct or otherwise, if the driver doesn't recognise that the signage is making a contract offer in the first place.

In this instance, the claimant cannot prove that each driver recognised that the signage actually represented a 'contract offer' rather than just being a normal road warning sign of some description - this is again fatal to the claimants case.

I therefore ask the claimant to prove that the driver recognised that a contract offer was being made in the first instance?

Obviously they are unable to do that.


********* SUPER CRITICAL *********

It is notable that, in his evidence, JB sets out a number of signs which threaten penalties of £100 etc - however, none of those signs would reasonably be recognised by drivers as constituting an 'offer of contract'.

In all instances, drivers would simply view the signage as being a normal road sign - this further reinforces the point regarding 'intention to make a contract' - namely, that there can never be 'INTENTION to accept an offer of contract' if the 'contract offer' is not recognised as being a contract offer in the first instance.

This destroys the basis of the claimant's entire case.

In his WS evidence, JB never explains how he thinks that drivers would differentiate the VCS 'contract offer' signage from a normal 'non contract offer' based road signage which might also, in certain circumstances, specify a particular charge, fine or penalty based in statute law / road traffic law rather than contract law.

Although JB claims that the signage constitutes and offer of contract (in his mind), this does not automatically mean that the average driver would immediately recognise the same - 99% probably would not.

Additionally, ironically, JB's own evidence further underlines this point; in his evidence JB specifies that his signage is supplemented by both 'Urban Clearway' signs along with 'Double Red Lines' - All of these are statutory road markings and symbols which further evidence the fact that drivers would not consider that statutory markings and signs would reasonably be setting out an offer of contract.

Ultimately, the claim of contract can never succeed because the claimant can never prove that any particular driver regarded the signage, symbols and markings as being an offer of contract as apposed to being a normal road sign and markings etc.

Critically, a driver, receiving a postal demand for £100, will only come to realise that the matter was, legally, a 'breach of contract' in retrospect.

At that point, the driver would be well within their rights to question the nature of the alleged contract which the claimant was seemingly reliant on - if the driver only reaches this point of understanding in the weeks following the event then how can the claimant claim that a contract was in fact formed at the material time - by definition, there could not have been any intention on the part of the driver at the material time?

The evidence offered by JB clearly outlines a situation where the formation of the contract is not an 'intention' of both parties - in fact, the evidence shows a scenario where only VCS shows any intention - this actually illustrates a situation where VCS are trying to force a contract regardless of the intentions of the counter-party - this is clearly contra to the balanced nature of contract formation where both parties must show clear intention.

As previously stated, the claimant must prove that all drivers recognise the signage and markings etc as being an offer of contract in the first instance - clearly they are unable to do this and as a result their claim must fail as no contract is ever formed.







Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: InterCity125 on February 16, 2026, 08:03:24 am
Perfect - Yes.

Jake Burgess appears to contradict the claim form in his evidence.

Let me examine this further.

You have some very strong legal arguments on this case.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 15, 2026, 06:13:20 pm
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1bhwrWzVEc8wHkVpzG558F9vvHQMCIAWi

I have added the file in here "Claim form 300525" and "Redacted claim form". Are these the right forms?

Many thanks as always.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 15, 2026, 05:54:14 pm
Thank you, just seen this, I will post it up tonight.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: InterCity125 on February 14, 2026, 08:33:23 am
@benb76

Do you still have a copy of the original County Court Claim? If so, can you post it up.

I was just running through JBs Witness Statement to see which of his ridiculous assertions we can rebut.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 02, 2026, 10:29:40 pm
Thank you for explaining, that's great.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: DWMB2 on February 02, 2026, 07:29:09 pm
Re. Costs - you're not making a counterclaim, if you win, you are asking for your costs.

In the Small Claims track, costs are very limited* (this works both ways, and means that if you lose you also shouldn't be exposed to onerous costs above the claim value), but you can generally claim the cost of loss of earnings up to a maximum of £95 per day.

* the exception to this is that if one party is deemed to have behaved "unreasonably", a judge can decide to award additional costs above those normally allowed. You can take with you on the day a brief costs schedule and, if you win, ask for these - for those above the standard fixed amounts, you will need to explain why you believe the claimant has acted unreasonably. The bar for unreasonable conduct is high.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 02, 2026, 05:34:04 pm
No, absolutely.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: Brenda_R2 on February 02, 2026, 05:33:19 pm
Does anyone know if member B789 is still active on this forum? He/she, amongst others, has been very helpful in my case (but appears not to have been active since 20/01/26) and I would appreciate an eye cast over my proposed WS before I submit it today if at all possible. Many thanks.

@b789 is subject to the same whims of life as the rest of us.

He/she may be in hospital with an illness, he/she might have just given up on the site, he/she might have passed on.....never rely on a single member (as wise as b789 was) as a guaranteed get out of jail card.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 02, 2026, 05:33:09 pm
Thank you, yes I see.

I will plan to attend court on 24th February. As I'm self-employed, this will cost me a day's pay. I have seen advice on this forum for making a counter claim for costs, in the event that I am successful. I will put something together on this basis, hours spent on the case etc, and come back to this forum a week before the court date to see what you think, if that's ok. Many thanks again.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: InterCity125 on February 02, 2026, 05:27:07 pm
It would probably be procedurally incorrect for the Judge to ask that question.

If the Judge has read the case through then he will recognise that beforehand.

Remember that this is a contract law case and not a criminal case.

As DWMB2 has said, your case is much stronger than that single point but that single point has been sufficient to win in the Appeal Court case.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 02, 2026, 05:16:25 pm
Thank you, that's really useful.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: DWMB2 on February 02, 2026, 05:15:10 pm
Is the judge likely to ask me who the driver was?
In theory they shouldn't be doing the claimant's job for them. But, if they do ask, you must answer truthfully. Some people suggest various forms of wording about not being required to say etc. - in my view, the risk with such approaches is that you p*ss the judge off and come across as evasive, which isn't necessarily wise. Even less so when you have other valid defence points that don't rely on the driver's identity being unknown.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 02, 2026, 05:08:04 pm
Thank you, much appreciated.

If I could ask a question that may sound stupid...

I have stated in my WS:

"The driver has never been identified and there is no legal obligation for the vehicle keeper to identify the driver to a private parking operator".

Is the judge likely to ask me who the driver was?

Many thanks.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: InterCity125 on February 02, 2026, 04:51:52 pm
There are further points which can be given if this ever gets to a hearing.

Their so called 'witness' rarely attends - this means that pretty much all their evidence will be hearsay evidence - normally third hand by that point.

Furthermore, there will be holes in their WS when examined closely.

For example, are the signs illuminated at night? Where on the plan did the alleged contraventions occur? The alleged signage is side-on to traffic - meaning that a driver must stop to read it.

I could go on...
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 02, 2026, 04:08:20 pm
OK, thank you, I will submit as is.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: jfollows on February 02, 2026, 03:21:47 pm
I would assume not.

Honestly, too many people relied upon @b789 doing their work for them and giving them canned responses, rather than doing their own research and understanding what they were doing.

Not in your case, I should hasten to add.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 02, 2026, 03:15:18 pm
Does anyone know if member B789 is still active on this forum? He/she, amongst others, has been very helpful in my case (but appears not to have been active since 20/01/26) and I would appreciate an eye cast over my proposed WS before I submit it today if at all possible. Many thanks.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 01, 2026, 02:58:11 pm
Please see below my draft WS. Any comments/feedback appreciated. Many thanks.

IN THE COUNTY COURT AT WORCESTER
Claim No: xxx

BETWEEN:

Vehicle Control Services Ltd
Claimant

- and -

xxx
Defendant

________________________________________

WITNESS STATEMENT

1. I am the defendant in this claim. I am making this witness statement in support of my defence.

2. Keeper liability is denied.

3. The land at Bristol Airport is land under statutory control and, as such, the parking operator is unable to rely on the benefits of the Protection of Freedoms Act to establish keeper liability in this case.

4. The driver has never been identified and there is no legal obligation for the vehicle keeper to identify the driver to a private parking operator.

5. In their communications VCS have consistently asserted their right to pursue the keeper on grounds of 'reasonable assumption' that the keeper was the driver.

6. VCS are seeking to circumvent legislation (Protection of Freedoms Act) in order hold the keeper liable in a scenario where the driver is not known to them.

7. VCS have already fully tested this legal argument in the Appeal Court and lost.

8. The defendant therefore presents the persuasive authority of VCS Ltd v Edward (2023)[HOKF6C9C] where HHJ Gargan held at para. 35.3 that no inference can be drawn from keeper status alone and that the claimant must prove that the Defendant was the driver.

9. No such evidence has ever been provided.

10. Keeper liability is therefore denied.

11. No contract was formed with the vehicle driver and, as such, a driver cannot be held liable.

12. VCS claim that a driver simply driving past a sign at the airport entrance is sufficient for VCS to 'instantaneously' form a legally binding contract with that particular driver. This appears to be a claim made by VCS out of 'necessity' rather than any legally recognised contract formation methods based on the firmly established 'offer-acceptance' process.

13. When challenged, VCS claim that they see the formation of an implied contract occurring on the basis of 'acceptance through conduct' namely; driving past the entrance sign. In the case of this particular sign, the driver has no choice but to drive past the sign as it is positioned in such a location as to afford the driver no alternative route.

14. The driver is already committed to entering the airport as they are already on the busy access road. As such, there can be no 'alterative conduct' which would allow a driver to avoid becoming contracted. So how do VCS determine the difference between drivers who agree to contract from those drivers who are not agreeing, since all drivers are made to file past the same sign and therefore all drivers seemingly demonstrate the same 'conduct'?
15. VCS are therefore claiming that every driver entering the airport becomes a contracted party. In other words, this amounts to a 100% conversion rate from 'prospective clients' to 'contracted clients'. This is demonstrably a 'pressure sales technique', which is forbidden under consumer legislation.
16. The vast majority of drivers passing the entrance sign would never even realise that the signage constituted an 'offer of contract' since the sign would flash past in just a second or two and would simply look like a normal traffic sign. It is extremely unusual for a vehicle driver to receive such a hurried 'contract offer' in that manner whilst driving along a road.

17. How can any contract be formed if the vehicle drivers never legally recognise that the sign is offering contract in the first instance? Additionally, the signage makes no valid offer of contract. It does not offer anything and the wording is purely prohibitive in nature.

18. The High Court in Ransomes v Anderson [2011] EWHC 1127(QB) established that no contract can be formed from such prohibitive signage as the signage does not actually offer anything.

19. Acceptance of contract is therefore categorically denied.


Unfair terms of alleged contract.

20. VCS claim that one of the key terms of the alleged contract is an agreement, by the driver, to the term, "NO STOPPING".

21. This is a clearly unfair term in a consumer contract.

22. The term is an unquantified blanket term which would be unreasonable and unfair to any vehicle driver.

23. There will be times when a vehicle has to stop for any number of reasons, including reasons which would be totally out of a driver’s control.

24. As this is contract law as opposed to traffic law, VSC have asserted that, "any reason for stopping is legally irrelevant", and as such VCS are demonstrating that they are prepared to enforce their unfair term in any manner they see fit and regardless of circumstance.

25. This therefore constitutes a term which creates a significant imbalance in any alleged contract.

26. Notwithstanding my previous points, any consumer contract term must be judged on the exact wording used and the entitlement which that term or condition would potentially give the claimant.

27. There is seemingly no requirement to examine how the claimant is exercising this right.

28. Once again, this is consumer contract law and not traffic law.

29. The consumer receives nothing in return for their '£100 charge' and as such it appears clear that the £100 charge is therefore a contractual penalty.

30. This appears to be prohibited under consumer legislation.

31. Once again, VCS are simply creating a legal workaround which seeks to circumvent the protection afforded to consumers under relevant legislation.

32. The contract term on which they are seemingly reliant is therefore both unlawful and unfair and cannot make up part of any alleged contract.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed: xxx


Date: 1st February 2026
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on February 01, 2026, 01:46:34 pm
Thank you. Should I be including the information that I used in my amended defence, (as advised here previously), too?

Should I be including site plans, photos etc, in the way they have done or just relying on the facts as set out above? Thank you.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: DWMB2 on February 01, 2026, 09:38:17 am
Have a look for some other witness statements on here and the MSE forum too to get an idea of how they're structured. One key difference from the defence is that a witness statement is generally written in the first person.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on January 31, 2026, 06:47:52 pm
Many thanks for this, that's really helpful and I will use to put together my witness statement.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: InterCity125 on January 31, 2026, 11:45:41 am
Some points for starters.

I'll probably come up with more in due course.


VCS Bristol Airport Defence / WS Pointers



Keeper liability denied.

The land at Bristol Airport is land under statutory control and as such the parking operator is unable to rely on the benefits of the Protection of Freedoms Act to establish keeper liability in this case.

The driver has never been identified and there is no legal obligation for the vehicle keeper to identify the driver to a private parking operator.

In their communications VCS have consistently asserted their right to pursue the keeper on grounds of 'reasonable assumption' that the keeper was the driver.

VCS are seeking to circumvent legislation (Protection of Freedoms Act) in order hold the keeper liable in a scenario where the driver is not known to them.

VCS have already fully tested this legal argument in the Appeal Court and lost.

The defendant therefore presents the persuasive authority of VCS Ltd v Edward (2023)[HOKF6C9C] where HHJ Gargan held at para. 35.3 that no inference can be drawn from keeper status alone and that the claimant must prove that the Defendant was the driver.

No such evidence has ever been provided.

Keeper liability is therefore denied.




No contract was formed with the vehicle driver and as such a driver cannot be held liable.

VCS claim that a driver simply driving past a sign at the airport entrance is sufficient for VCS to 'instantaneously' form a legally binding contract with that particular driver.

This appears to be a claim made by VCS out of 'necessity' rather than any legally recognised contract formation methods based on the firmly established 'offer-acceptance' process.

When challenged, VCS claim that they see the formation of an implied contract occurring on the basis of 'acceptance through conduct' namely; driving past the entrance sign.

In the case of this particular sign the driver has no choice but to drive past the sign as it is positioned in such a location as to afford the driver no alternative route.

The driver is already committed to entering the airport as they are already on the busy access road.

As such, there can be no 'alterative conduct' which would allow a driver to avoid becoming contracted.

So how do VCS determine the difference between drivers who agree to contract from those drivers who are not agreeing since all drivers are made to file past the same sign and therefore all drivers seemingly demonstrate the same 'conduct'?

VCS are therefore claiming that every driver entering the airport becomes a contracted party.

In other words, this amounts to a 100% conversion rate from 'perspective clients' to 'contracted clients'.

This is demonstrably a 'pressure sales technique' which is forbidden under consumer legislation.

The vast majority of drivers passing the entrance sign would never even realise that the signage constituted an 'offer of contract' since the sign would flash past in just a second or two and would simply look like a normal traffic sign.

It is extremely unusual for a vehicle driver to receive such a hurried 'contract offer' in that manner whilst driving along a road.

How can any contract be formed if the vehicle drivers never legally recognise that the sign is offering contract in the first instance?

Additionally, the signage makes no valid offer of contract.

It does not offer anything and the wording is purely prohibitive in nature.

The High Court in Ransomes v Anderson [2011] EWHC 1127(QB) established that no contract can be formed from such prohibitive signage as the signage does not actually offer anything.

Acceptance of contract is therefore categorically denied.




Unfair terms of alleged contract.

VCS claim that one of the key terms of the alleged contract is an agreement, by the driver, to the term, "NO STOPPING".

This is a clearly unfair term in a consumer contract.

The term is an unquantified blanket term which would be unreasonable and unfair to any vehicle driver.

There will be times when a vehicle has to stop for any number of reasons including reasons which would be totally out of a drivers control.

As this is contract law as apposed to traffic law, VSC have asserted that, "any reason for stopping is legally irrelevant", and as such VCS are demonstrating that they are prepared to enforce their unfair term in any manner they see fit and regardless of circumstance.

This therefore constitutes a term which creates a significant imbalance in any alleged contract.

Notwithstanding my previous points, any consumer contract term must be judged on the exact wording used and the entitlement which that term or condition would potentially give the claimant.

There is seemingly no requirement to examine how the claimant is exercising this right.

Once again, this is consumer contract law and not traffic law.

The consumer receives nothing in return for their '£100 charge' and as such it appears clear that the £100 charge is therefore a contractual penalty.

This appears to be prohibited under consumer legislation.

Once again, VCS are simply creating a legal workaround which seeks to circumvent the protection afforded to consumers under relevant legislation.

The contract term on which they are seemingly reliant is therefore both unlawful and unfair and cannot make up part of any alleged contract.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: DWMB2 on January 31, 2026, 09:53:14 am
County Courts often afford a little more leeway than other courts, understanding that many defendants don't have legal representation. You may have shot yourself in the foot, but equally you may get away with late submission. Let's get something in Monday and see what happens.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on January 31, 2026, 09:07:53 am
Thank you, much appreciated.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: InterCity125 on January 31, 2026, 09:06:08 am
Okay - I can supply some pointers if I get time.

There's no point submitting until Monday anyway which will give others time to comment.

Nothing to worry about here.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on January 31, 2026, 09:04:07 am
No, I don't have it prepared yet, I am out this morning but am free this afternoon to spend some time on this. Thank you.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: InterCity125 on January 31, 2026, 08:31:09 am
Send it anyway ideally ASAP.

Do you have a WS prepared or are you still building it?
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on January 30, 2026, 11:58:37 pm
Thank you. It looks like I have dropped the ball here; I sent the amended defence in December, as advised on this forum, but haven't sought advice on the witness statement, which I now see was due by 20th January.

As I have now missed the deadline here, can you advise what my options are now please? Is it time to admit defeat and pay up? I'm sorry to have messed up here, having received so much advice and time from people on this forum.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: DWMB2 on January 30, 2026, 11:25:55 pm
But the deadline date for submitting your witness statement will be before that. One of the documents you received from the court (usually the Notice of Allocation) will tell you your deadline.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on January 30, 2026, 11:16:13 pm
Thank you. The court date isn't until 24th February.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: DWMB2 on January 30, 2026, 10:32:05 pm
I'm unlikely to get chance to look at this before Sunday PM. In the meantime, do some searches both on here and the MSE forum and you should find some other cases from Bristol Airport. Here's one recent success - Bristol Airport no stopping fine - Case success and £724 cost - DCB Legal  (https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6635565/bristol-airport-no-stopping-fine-case-success-and-724-cost-dcb-legal)

@movano - an individual's live case thread is not the place for general queries about successes and failures. I don't keep a success tally, but you can see all cases on this forum. We don't get many transcripts, because most defendants don't pay for them. Although here's another recent one involving Bristol Airport where the defendant did pay for a transcript - VCS crash and burn at Southampton County Court: Bristol Airport Case  (https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6625532/vcs-crash-and-burn-at-southampton-county-court-bristol-airport-case)
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: movano on January 30, 2026, 09:54:03 pm
it would be interesting to know with all the court defences on the forum, have these defences actually won in court? If so, how many and where can we find transcripts.
Thank in advance
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on January 30, 2026, 09:28:01 pm
Apologies, all files should be correct now, many thanks.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on January 30, 2026, 07:46:45 pm
Good evening, I have returned from holiday this week to receive the Claimant's Witness statement for the court date on 24th February 2026 (Doc One, Two & Three in the attached). Any advice would be gratefully appreciated as always. Many thanks.

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1bhwrWzVEc8wHkVpzG558F9vvHQMCIAWi

Edit - I have removed Doc one as I realised my name was showing on one page, I will re-attach as soon as I can, apologies.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on December 03, 2025, 07:44:49 am
Thank you very much, that is extremely helpful and much appreciated.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on December 02, 2025, 12:49:52 pm
Good. Here is the amended defence you must submit to the court (not the CNBC as the original was):

Quote
IN THE COUNTY COURT AT WORCESTER
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Vehicle Control Services Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



AMENDED DEFENCE pursuant to order of DJ Redmond dated 20th November 2025
This amended defence replaces the original defence pursuant to the court’s order.

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and discloses no lawful cause of action.

2. The Particulars of Claim are inadequately pleaded. They do not identify the precise terms alleged to have been breached, fail to specify the contractual basis for the claim, and provide no clear calculation of the sum claimed.

3. The Claimant alleges the Defendant is liable either as the driver or, in the alternative, as the keeper under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. The Defendant is the registered keeper of the vehicle but has never admitted to being the driver. The Claimant has provided no evidence of driver identity.

4. The location in question is Bristol Airport, which is governed by statutory byelaws and therefore not classified as relevant land under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Accordingly, the Claimant cannot rely on the provisions of PoFA to transfer liability from the unknown driver to the registered keeper.

5. The Defendant relies on the persuasive appellate authority in Vehicle Control Services Ltd v Edward (2023) [H0KF6C9C], in which HHJ Gargan held at paragraph 35.3 that no inference can be drawn from keeper status alone, and that the Claimant must prove on the balance of probabilities that the Defendant was the driver. No such evidence exists in this case.

6. The Claimant has failed to provide any proof that the Defendant was the driver. As keeper, the Defendant cannot be held liable under PoFA, and no alternative legal basis for keeper liability has been established.

7. The three PCNs relate to alleged incidents at 02:23, 02:31, and 02:36 on the same date. The Claimant has not provided any evidence showing where the vehicle was located in each instance, how long it was allegedly stationary, or whether any alleged stopping occurred in view of any signage. The Claimant’s photographs show only partial vehicle images in darkness and reveal no identifiable surroundings.

8. The Claimant relies on a site plan dated October 2019. The Defendant is aware that the Claimant entered into a new contract with a revised site plan on 17 March 2023. The outdated plan currently relied on is therefore no longer applicable and does not assist the court in understanding where the vehicle was in relation to signage or patrol zones.

9. The Claimant has issued three separate charges within a 13-minute window without establishing that the vehicle moved in and out of distinct zones or that each instance involved a fresh agreement or breach. In the absence of clear evidence, the issuing of multiple charges for what may be a single or continuous event amounts to double or triple recovery and an abuse of process.

10. The signs relied upon by the Claimant state that stopping is prohibited. These signs do not set out any contractual terms capable of acceptance. They are prohibitory in nature and do not constitute an offer.

11. It is a fundamental principle of contract law that an offer must be capable of acceptance. A sign that says “No stopping” or threatens a charge for stopping is not inviting acceptance of terms but is instead forbidding an action. There can be no contract where there is no offer. The signs do not meet the requirements for contract formation and no valid agreement was ever created.

12. This position is supported by established persuasive authority including Jopson v Homeguard [2016] B9GF0A9E, where HHJ Harris QC confirmed that momentary stopping does not constitute parking, and that context is key. In that case, the court rejected liability where the alleged contravention involved a brief stop for a legitimate purpose. The Claimant in this case has provided no contextual detail and no evidence that any contractual terms were accepted.

13. The High Court in Ransomes v Anderson [2011] EWHC 1127 (QB) held that signage which merely prohibits an activity, rather than offering terms for compliance, cannot give rise to a contract. The signage relied on by the Claimant is of this nature — it imposes a prohibition against stopping and threatens a charge, but offers no service or terms that could be accepted. As such, it is incapable of creating a contractual relationship, and any charge claimed is a penalty, not a contractual debt.

14. The Claimant seeks £510, including £210 of unexplained add‑ons. These sums are not supported by contract or evidence. The Supreme Court in ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 upheld a single parking charge as enforceable, but made no allowance for additional recovery fees. Such uplifts fall outside the ratio of Beavis and are penal in nature, contrary to the principles in Dunlop Pneumatic Tyre Co Ltd v New Garage [1915] AC 79. The Defendant therefore submits that the add‑ons are irrecoverable and that the claim is liable to strike‑out under CPR 3.4(2)(b).

15. The Defendant submitted a detailed response to the Claimant’s Letter of Claim, clearly explaining that there was no basis for pursuing the registered keeper, that the land is not relevant under PoFA, that the signage cannot create a contract, and that the claim was excessive and unreasonable. The Claimant ignored this and issued proceedings without addressing any of the issues raised. This is a breach of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims and further evidence of unreasonable conduct.

16. The Defendant invites the court to strike out the claim pursuant to CPR 3.4(2)(b) for failing to disclose a cause of action, or alternatively to enter summary judgment under CPR 24.2. The Defendant further asks the court to consider a costs order under CPR 27.14(2)(g) due to the Claimant’s unreasonable conduct.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Amended Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

You must email the amended defence as a PDF attachment in a single email addressed to civil.worcester.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and CCd to info@dcblegal.co.uk and to yourself.

Quote
Subject: Claim No: [insert claim number] – Amended Defence Pursuant to Court Order

To: civil.worcester.countycourt@justice.gov.uk
CC: info@dcblegal.co.uk

Dear Sir or Madam,

Please find attached the Defendant’s amended defence in this matter, filed pursuant to the Order of District Judge Redmond dated 20 November 2025. This has been served within the timeframe specified by the court.

Claim Number: [insert claim number]
Claimant: Vehicle Control Services Ltd
Defendant: [insert full name of defendant]

The amended defence has also been served on the Claimant’s legal representative, DCB Legal Ltd, by way of copy to this email.

Please confirm receipt by return.

Yours faithfully,

[Defendant’s full name]
[Address]
[Email address]
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: InterCity125 on December 01, 2025, 07:52:09 pm
The site plan they have provided is out dated. VSC signed a new contract on 17th March 2023 with a revised site plan.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on December 01, 2025, 06:46:17 pm
Thank you for coming back to me.

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1bhwrWzVEc8wHkVpzG558F9vvHQMCIAWi

I have included the information you have requested, amended as per your instructions. (Docs recd 011225).

I have included the NtKs, redacted according to your instructions. (NtK redacted). These are in time order but do not appear to state how long the car was parked for, however you will see from the times that it was only a matter of minutes.

I have included a link to the evidence sent to me via email on 15/04/25, which includes the email itself and the attachments - images of vehicle, signage and site plan.

Thank you for your assistance and please let me know if you require any further information.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on December 01, 2025, 04:17:21 pm
You have redacted the county court name. Why? Worcester County Court is basic public domain info! Which County Court does the order say to send documents to?????

Also, because you have been ordered to submit an amended defence I need to see the three NtK's that were received for the alleged breaches. I need to see them UNREDACTED except for your name, address and the PCN number. NOTHING else needs to be redacted. I need to see BOTH sides of each NtK. ONLY the original NtKs, not any reminders.

I need to see for how long each stop was for and the location they say that each stop was at. I need to see the evidence they have on the NtK. If they have any other CCTV "evidence", show that to us also.

If you want me to provide a suitable amended defence, do what I have requested above!!!
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on December 01, 2025, 12:05:59 pm
Good morning, I have today received the attached notice of allocation to Small Claims Track (Hearing) and Notice of Trial Date. It states I must send my defence by 12th December and I would be grateful of any advice please. Many thanks.

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1bhwrWzVEc8wHkVpzG558F9vvHQMCIAWi
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on October 06, 2025, 03:39:53 pm
Thank you, I have sent that to them and will let you know when I hear further from them.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on October 06, 2025, 02:30:18 pm
Nothing much more you can do for now except send the following email to DCB Legal at info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC yourself:

Quote
Subject: Claim [CLAIM NO] — urgent: identity and settlement authority of attendee at SCMS mediation on [DATE]

To: DCB Legal
Date: [DD Month YYYY]

Dear Sirs,

I write in relation to the SCMS mediation in the above claim held on [DATE]. During the mediation I asked the mediator to confirm, for the record, the full name, role/position and written authorisation to settle of the person attending on behalf of your client. The mediator was unable to provide these details.

For the avoidance of doubt and on an open basis (not without prejudice), please provide the following information within 7 days of this email:
1. The full name and job title/role of the individual who acted for your client on the SCMS call on [DATE].
2. Whether that individual is an authorised person for the purposes of the Legal Services Act 2007 (i.e. a solicitor, regulated conveyancer or other authorised litigator), an exempt person, or an unregulated employee/paralegal. If an exempt person or unregulated employee/paralegal, state the legal basis for the exemption and identify the supervising authorised person.
3. Whether that individual had express written authority to negotiate and to bind the claimant to settlement, or whether any settlement decision required further approval; if the latter, state the mechanism and timescale for such approval.
4. Confirm who within your firm or the claimant’s organisation holds the authority to approve any settlement or discontinuance and provide a contact name and position for that person.

Please be aware of the following:
a) The giving of settlement terms and the taking of steps to discontinue or compromise claims are acts that, when done as part of an adversarial process, may amount to the conduct of litigation. If the person on your side who engaged in mediation was not an authorised person and was purporting to carry out acts that fall within the reserved activity of conducting litigation, that raises serious regulatory concerns.
b) If you do not confirm the identity and status of the individual who attended the mediation within 7 days I reserve the right to make a formal complaint to the Solicitors Regulation Authority (and any other relevant regulator) on the basis that an unauthorised person may have been put forward as your representative and may have acted in a way which crosses the boundary of conducting litigation.
c) I will also rely on your response (or failure to respond) when making any application or submissions to the court on costs as to whether your conduct amounted to unreasonable conduct which frustrated mediation (see CPR 27.14(2)(g)).

I have retained the SCMS confirmation note and a contemporaneous file note of the exchange for my records. I trust you understand the seriousness of this request and will respond promptly.

Yours faithfully,

[Your full name]

Eventually, you will receive a postal notification from the court that the claim has been allocated to you local county court and then another letter with 'directions' from a procedural judge with various dates and deadlines.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on October 06, 2025, 11:20:54 am
Further to previous correspondence, I have had the call from the mediation service today. I was advised that the claimant would like to settle and that this could be done for a relatively low amount.

As per your advice, I asked the name and position of the person attending for them, she did not know and called back to say she could not provide this information. I explained that liability is denied and my settlement offer was £0.

She said she would record that no mediation / settlement was possible (and I have since had an email to confirm this). She said to expect a letter in the post and the case would be assigned to a local court to me and I would receive details of the date and time in due course. It was a very short call.

I will update further once a letter is received but if you have any advice on anything further I should do in the meantime, it would, as always, be appreciated.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on September 21, 2025, 10:24:57 pm
Thank you, much appreciated as always.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on September 21, 2025, 10:02:44 pm
For the mediation call, the only requirement is for you "attend" the call. It is not part of the judicial process and no judge is involved.

This is what I advise you to say when you receive the call from the mediator:

“Before I set out my position, please confirm from the claimant’s side:

• the full name of the person attending for them;
• their role/position at their legal representative’s firm; and
• whether they hold written authority to negotiate and settle today.

Please relay that back to me before we continue.”

After the mediator calls back...

If identified and authority confirmed:

“Thank you. I’m content to proceed on that basis. My settlement offer is £0, or I invite the claimant to discontinue with no order as to costs.”

If no/unclear authority:

“Please record that the claimant’s attendee has not confirmed settlement authority. My position remains that liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised solicitor if they choose to discontinue.”

All you need to know is the name and the position of the person acting for the claimant and report that back to us. It will be over within minutes.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on September 21, 2025, 07:46:16 pm
Good evening, I have submitted my N180 and have received an email from Small Claims Mediation service stating that I will have a call for a telephone mediation appointment in a couple of weeks' time, details below, dates redacted.

Any advice would be appreciated please.

Many thanks

--------------------------------------------

Your telephone mediation appointment
Appointment date: x

Appointment time slot: x

Your confidential telephone mediation appointment has been booked for the above date and time slot. This means that the mediator will call you between the times shown. Your appointment will last for around one hour from the point at which the mediator calls.

The mediator will call both parties separately – you will not talk directly to the other side. They will try to help you both come to an agreement before the case goes to court.

Where your mediation appointment is mandatory, If you do not attend the appointment, the judge will take this into consideration at any court hearing and may issue a penalty. This could include the judge automatically ruling in the other party’s favour or ordering you to pay for some or all the other party’s costs.


Preparing for your appointment
You must make sure you have provided us with, or confirmed, the name and number of the person who will be conducting the mediation appointment. If you have not done this, or need to update your telephone number, you should contact us using the details at the end of this letter no less than 5 working days before your mediation appointment. Failure to do so may result in your mediation appointment not taking place and may result in a Judge issuing a penalty where the mediation was mandatory.

The mediator will call from a withheld number. Make sure that withheld numbers are not blocked on your phone.

Be ready to receive a call from the mediator from the beginning of your time slot. The mediator will call the telephone number you provided in your application.

If the mediator cannot contact you within 10 minutes of the appointment start, the appointment will be cancelled and you may, where mediation is mandatory, face a penalty for non-attendance.

Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on July 23, 2025, 01:35:33 pm
Thank you.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on July 23, 2025, 12:50:32 pm
You don't actually have to wait for your won N180 to arrive in the post. You can check your MCOL history and as soon as it says yours has been sent, just follow the advice to submit your own.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on July 23, 2025, 12:29:31 pm
Thank you, I will wait to receive my N180 form (which I believe is what you're saying) and then respond using the form online, as advised. Many thanks again.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on July 23, 2025, 12:22:12 pm
It's all standard boilerplate stuff. Just follow the instructions below for filing your own N180 DQ.

Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on July 23, 2025, 12:18:47 pm
Good afternoon,

I have today received the email below from DCB Legal, informing me that their client intends to proceed with the claim and encouraging me to settle, together with a copy of their Directions questionnaire, a copy of which I can post here if required. The DQ only contains their details and none of mine, other than the claim number. I presume next steps is to wait to hear further from them, since I have no intention of settling with them. Any advice greatly received, as always, many thanks.

------------------------------------------------


Good morning

Having reviewed the content of your defence, we write to inform you that our client intends to proceed with the claim.

In due course, the Court will direct both parties to each file a directions questionnaire. In preparation for that, please find attached a copy of the Claimant's, which we confirm has been filed with the Court.


Without Prejudice to the above, in order to assist the Court in achieving its overriding objective, our client may be prepared to settle this case - in the event you wish to discuss settlement, please call us on 0203 434 0433 within 7 days and make immediate reference to this correspondence.

If you have provided an email address within your Defence, we intend to use it for service of documents (usually in PDF format) hereon in pursuant to PD 6A (4.1)(2)(c). Please advise whether there are any limitations to this (for example, the format in which documents are to be sent and the maximum size of attachments that may be received). Unless you advise otherwise, we will assume not.

Kind Regards, 

xxx

Collections Associate

DCB Legal Ltd 
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on June 03, 2025, 06:59:35 pm
Thank you, much appreciated.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 05:50:54 pm
With an issue date of 30th May, you have until 4pm on Wednesday 18th June to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Wednesday 2nd July to submit your defence.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on June 03, 2025, 04:11:37 pm
Thank you, the date of issue was 30th May 2025.

Thank you for all of the advice, which I shall now follow.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 04:07:04 pm
DCB Legal were explicitly warned in oyur response to their Letter of Claim that if they issued a claim based on PoFA liability at Bristol Airport, and continued to pursue a keeper with no evidence of driver identity, a formal complaint would be submitted to the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA).

They have now issued a claim regardless, without engaging with the legal arguments raised, and without providing a valid basis for doing so. This confirms that their behaviour was not a mistake or oversight, but a deliberate decision to press ahead with a claim they know to be legally defective.

You should therefore prepare a formal SRA complaint setting out:

• That PoFA does not apply at Bristol Airport (non-relevant land).
• That the Defendant has never been identified as the driver.
• hat DCB Legal have relied on a misstatement of the law in claiming the keeper is liable based on “the balance of probabilities”.
• That the particulars of claim are vague and fail to comply with CPR 16.4 and PD16.
• That the claim includes inflated and unrecoverable “damages” in breach of established case law (e.g. Britannia v Semark-Jullien).
• That this conduct breaches multiple SRA Principles, particularly those relating to integrity, honesty, and upholding the rule of law.

The complaint will include a copy of your original Letter of Claim response to show that DCB Legal were put on notice and chose to proceed regardless.

This is now necessary both to protect the Defendant and to discourage similar conduct by DCB Legal in other cases.

To report DCB Legal Ltd to the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) for potential breaches of professional conduct, you can use the SRA's official report form. This form allows you to detail your concerns and provide any supporting evidence.

Visit the SRA's "Reporting a solicitor or firm to us" page: https://www.sra.org.uk/consumers/problems/report-solicitor/

Download the report form and submit the completed form by email to report@sra.org.uk and CC in yourself.

Information to Include:

• The name and address of the solicitor or firm you're reporting (DCB Legal Ltd).
• A clear description of your concerns, including dates and details of the alleged misconduct.
• Copies of any relevant documents, such as correspondence or court papers.
• Your contact details for any follow-up.

After receiving your complaint, the SRA will assess the information provided and determine whether to initiate an investigation. They may contact you for further details during this process.

Here is the substance of your complaint:

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I am submitting this complaint about DCB Legal Ltd for serious breaches of the SRA Principles in the way they have conducted litigation against me.

DCB Legal issued a court claim despite having received a detailed response to their Letter of Claim, which clearly raised multiple legal objections and evidential challenges. They did not respond to or engage with any of the issues raised. They simply proceeded to issue a claim without explanation.

This is a direct breach of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, which requires parties — especially professional representatives — to engage meaningfully and proportionately with pre-action correspondence. The PAPDC specifically requires a full and considered reply to any substantive issues raised. DCB Legal ignored that entirely.

Their failure to respond was not an oversight. They were explicitly warned that if they issued a claim without addressing the points raised, the matter would be referred to the SRA. They ignored that warning too.

Their conduct shows disregard for their obligations under the SRA Principles, including:

• Principle 1: Upholding the rule of law and proper administration of justice
• Principle 4: Acting with honesty
• Principle 5: Acting with integrity
• Principle 7: Acting in the best interests of their client and not misusing the court process

This is not simply a civil dispute. It is a regulatory issue about the professional conduct of a firm that routinely issues claims without properly assessing the legal basis or responding to pre-action challenges. I ask that the SRA investigate whether this is part of a wider pattern and whether DCB Legal are complying with their professional duties.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 03:44:30 pm
Whilst you have redacted the issue date and so I cannot advise you on deadlines, you should follow the information in this link to submit the Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) which will extend your deadline to submit a defence to 33 days plus any weekend or bank holidays if day 33 is one of those:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Also, here is the defence you need to submit. I will discuss other aspects of this later. For now here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you combine both documents as a single PDF attachment and send as an attachment in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of Vehicle Control Services Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Vehicle Control Services Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4. The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tcewefk7daozuje25chkl/Strikeout-order-v2.pdf?rlkey=wxnymo8mwcma2jj8xihjm7pdx&st=nbtf0cn6&dl=0)
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 03:17:37 pm
Why have you redacted the issue date?Leave ALL dates visible!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on June 03, 2025, 12:24:30 pm
Good afternoon,

Further to your previous advice, I have now received a letter from HM Courts & Tribunals Service, advising that a money claim has been made against me and that the claimant could request a CCJ if I do not respond.

I have added the documents to a Google Drive, I would be most appreciative of your advice please.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CqWlezOhd7zUoWDJJSfkLUkUwhfslHpw/view?usp=drive_link

Many thanks.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on April 15, 2025, 01:50:44 pm
Many thanks once again, I will respond to them today.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on April 15, 2025, 01:42:13 pm
You can respond with the following to info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC yourself:

Quote
[Date]

DCB Legal Ltd
Direct House
Greenwood Drive
Manor Park
Runcorn
WA7 1UG

By email only: info@dcblegal.co.uk

Subject: Response to your email dated [insert date] – VCS / [Reference Number(s)] – Keeper Liability Not Applicable

Dear Sir/Madam,

I write further to your email dated [insert date], and must express astonishment at the level of misunderstanding and procedural ineptitude it contains. I respond purely for the benefit of the court, should this charade ever be escalated to litigation.

Let me be clear: I am the registered keeper, and at no stage have I identified the driver. Yet, despite my prior explanation—and the fact that the location in question is Bristol Airport, land subject to statutory control under byelaws—you persist in attempting to argue that I am liable as the keeper under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). Your failure to grasp such a fundamental legal point is, frankly, embarrassing.

1. Airport Land Is Not “Relevant Land” – Keeper Liability Is Irrelevant

For avoidance of any further confusion (which appears chronic), land governed by airport byelaws is excluded from the definition of “relevant land” under Paragraph 3 of Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).

You cannot hold a keeper liable.

There is no grey area. This is basic statutory interpretation—something one would reasonably expect a litigation firm to understand before threatening court action. Yet here we are, with your firm still insinuating that liability passes to the keeper, as if PoFA applies where it manifestly does not.

The Keeper is under no legal obligation to identify the driver to your client, an unregulated private parking company. Moreover, there can be no presumption or inference that the Keeper was the driver, as already confirmed in persuasive appellate case law—including your own client’s loss in Vehicle Control Services Ltd v Edward (2023) [HOKF6C9C]. To continue suggesting otherwise demonstrates either wilful ignorance or a staggering level of incompetence.

2. Misrepresentation of the Law – Baseless ‘Balance of Probabilities’ Argument

Your assertion that I am liable “on the balance of probabilities” because I did not name the driver is both legally baseless and intellectually lazy.

As already explained above, PoFA does not apply to airport land. In such cases, where there is no statutory mechanism for transferring liability from driver to keeper, your client must prove as a matter of fact that I was the driver. There is no legal presumption, and the Keeper is under no obligation to assist a private firm by naming the driver.

Your reliance on inference in the absence of evidence is a misrepresentation of the applicable legal test. In the persuasive appellate case of Vehicle Control Services Ltd v Edward (2023) [HOKF6C9C], HHJ Gargan made clear at paragraph 35.3:

“It is consistent with the appropriate probability analysis whereby simply because somebody is a registered keeper, it does not mean on balance of probability they were driving on this occasion, because one simply cannot tell.”

The judge was unambiguous: unless the Claimant can clearly and specifically evidence that the defendant was the driver, no such inference can be drawn.

Your continued reliance on this flawed reasoning is not only legally incorrect—it is professionally embarrassing. To attempt to manufacture liability through inference where none exists, and in direct contradiction to established and persuasive appellate authority, falls well below the standards expected of regulated legal practitioners.

Should you persist in advancing this fiction, I will bring it to the court’s attention and will include it in my formal complaint to the Solicitors Regulation Authority, highlighting your firm’s apparent willingness to misstate the law and pursue claims without proper legal foundation.

3. DVLA Data Misuse – Formal Complaints Imminent

Your client obtained my keeper data via the DVLA’s KADOE contract, which strictly prohibits use of that data where PoFA is not applicable and where the keeper cannot be held liable.

Continued use of that data in pursuit of an unenforceable claim is not only unlawful but in breach of the KADOE contract and the UK GDPR.

Should this baseless pursuit continue, I will not hesitate to escalate matters to:

The DVLA, for breach of the KADOE terms; and
The Information Commissioner’s Office, for unlawful processing of personal data.

4. Fake Add-Ons – Abuse of Process

Your attempt to inflate the claim with three separate £70 “debt recovery” charges is equally absurd. The added sums represent no genuine loss, nor are they contractually agreed.

This exact conduct was condemned by the courts in Britannia Parking v Semark-Jullien (2020), where such practices were found to be an abuse of process. Adding these sums not only displays a complete lack of legal rigour, but if a claim is issued including them, I will seek summary judgment or strike-out, and pursue costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g) for unreasonable conduct.

5. Pre-Action Protocol – Your Response Is Woefully Non-Compliant

Despite my reasoned and structured response, your firm has simply repeated your client’s unmeritorious position and cherry-picked which questions you deemed “proportionate.” That is not how the Pre-Action Protocol works.

Paragraph 6(a) of the Protocol requires a full and considered reply to every substantive point raised. Your approach—consisting largely of automated bluster and evidence you believe supports your client—falls well short of what the court will expect.

6. Final Position

Let me be crystal clear: any further attempt to pursue me, as the keeper, for a purported contravention on non-relevant land, will be taken as evidence of:

• A deliberate abuse of process;
• A flagrant misuse of DVLA data; and
• A breach of the SRA Principles, notably:

• Principle 1: Upholding the rule of law
• Principle 4: Acting with honesty
• Principle 5: Acting with integrity
• Principle 7: Acting in the best interests of each client

Should your firm be foolish enough to escalate this to court, I will include this and all previous correspondence in my witness statement, and will formally request that the court issue a finding of unreasonable behaviour against your client, and against you as their representatives.

I strongly suggest that you now take competent legal advice before humiliating yourselves and your client further.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Registered Keeper – Not Liable
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on April 15, 2025, 01:09:46 pm
Please host the appropriately redacted letter and accompanying documents you received on DropBox or Google Drive.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on April 15, 2025, 12:23:22 pm
Good afternoon,

Thank you once again for your advice. I have today received the email below from DCB Legal, in response to the reply that I sent them, in accordance with your advice above. If you would be so kind, I would appreciate your further advice on their latest communication please. They have attached copies of the original notice, photos of the car, of which I am the registered keeper, signage at the area in concern, and copies of our previous correspondence. Thanks in advance.

Dear x,
 

We write in response to your correspondence received in our office.

We now respond to the same as follows.

Please find attached all evidence we currently hold on file. We confirm that prior to the event of a hearing, all relevant evidence will be provided.


If there are any documents that you have requested, but that are not attached, it is because we have deemed the request to be disproportionate and/or not relevant to the substantive issues in dispute. We respectfully draw your attention to paragraph 2.1(c) of the Protocol and remind you that both parties are expected to act reasonably and proportionately.
 

When parking on private land, the contractual terms of the site are set out on the signs. You are entering a contract and agreeing to the terms by parking and staying on the site. Parking in breach of the terms as stipulated on the signage means that you are then breaking the terms of the contract.
 

The terms and conditions on the signs stated no stopping. The vehicle was recorded stopped in an area where stopping was prohibited as is demonstrated in the photographic evidence enclosed. The parking charge ("PC") was issued correctly.
 

In order to identify the Registered Keeper of the vehicle, our client submitted a request for details to the DVLA. Your details were provided and thereafter notices were sent to you by our Client at your serviceable address. Those notices asked you to either make payment or, if you were not driving, nominate a driver by providing their name and full address. You did neither and as such you are now pursued on the basis that you were driving. On the balance of probabilities, if you were not the driver, you would have nominated.
 

The sum added is a contribution to the actual costs incurred by our Client as a result of your non-payment. Our Client’s employees have spent time and material attempting to engage in dispute resolution. This is not our Client’s usual business and the resources could have been better spent in other areas of the business. Had you of paid as per the Contract, there would have been no need for debt resolution so the amount due would not have increased.
 

For the avoidance of doubt, please see below a breakdown of the £510.00 outstanding.

 
PC no.

PC amount.

Debt recovery fee.

VCSxx

£100.00

£70.00

VCSxx

£100.00

£70.00

VCSxx

£100.00

£70.00


You now have 30 days from the date of this email to make payment of £510.00. Failure to make payment will result in a Claim being issued against you without any further reference.
 

Payment can be made via bank transfer to our designated client account: -

Account Name: DCB Legal Ltd Client Account   
Sort Code: xx 
Account Number: xx

You must quote the correct case reference (xx) when making payment. If you do not, we may be unable to correctly allocate the payment. If further action is taken by us as a result of an incorrect reference being quoted, you will be liable for any further fees or costs incurred.

Alternatively, you can contact DCB Legal Ltd on 0203 838 7038 to make payment over the telephone or online at https://dcblegal.co.uk/response/pay-online/.

 
Kind Regards,
 

xx
Litigation Support Associate
DCB Legal Ltd 
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on March 01, 2025, 05:13:07 pm
Thank you once again for your advice, which is very much appreciated. I will do as advised.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on March 01, 2025, 03:15:11 pm
Respond with the following letter. Save it as a PDF and attach it in an email to info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself.

Quote
[Your Name]
[Your Address]

DCB Legal Ltd
Direct House
Greenwood Drive
Manor Park
Runcorn
WA7 1UG

[Date]

By email: info@dcblegal.co.uk

Subject: Response to Letter of Claim – Disputed Debt

Dear Sir/Madam,

I acknowledge receipt of your Letter of Claim dated 27 February 2025 regarding an alleged debt of £510.00 on behalf of your client, Vehicle Control Services Limited (VCS). I dispute this claim in its entirety, both on substantive and procedural grounds. Accordingly, I require full and detailed clarification before any further action is taken. Failure to provide the required information will be considered a breach of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (PAP) and may be cited in any subsequent proceedings.

1. Pre-Action Protocol Non-Compliance

Your Letter of Claim fails to comply with the requirements of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (PAP) in the following ways:

No Clear Breakdown of the Debt (£510.00)

The LoC fails to itemise the charges beyond stating a lump sum amount.

I require a full breakdown showing:

- The original Parking Charge(s) amount.
- Any alleged additional fees, including "debt recovery costs" or "legal fees."
- Justification for any additional costs beyond the original PCN amount.
- Explanation of how such fees comply with the Supreme Court ruling in ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67.

Failure to Provide Key Evidence

Your letter does not include any documentary evidence to substantiate the claim, such as:

- A copy of the original Parking Charge Notice(s) (PCNs).
- Photographic or ANPR evidence showing the alleged contravention, including timestamped images of entry and exit.
- A full copy of the terms and conditions allegedly breached, including the signage that the claimant is relying on that formed the contract with the driver, as displayed at the time of the alleged contravention.
- Evidence that VCS has the authority to issue parking charges at the location in question.
- Proof that the alleged sum reflects actual loss or liquidated damages enforceable under contract law.

No Demonstration of Keeper Liability Under PoFA 2012

- If your client seeks to rely on the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) Schedule 4, strict compliance is required.
- I request confirmation that the Notice to Keeper (NtK) sent complies with PoFA 2012, Schedule 4, Paragraph 9, including:

- Clear invitation for the keeper to pay the charge.
- Delivery within the statutory timeframe.
- The inclusion of mandatory wording as per PoFA 9(2)(e)(i).

- If no such compliance exists, VCS has no basis for holding me liable as keeper.

Potential Abuse of Process – Unreasonable Additional Costs

- The addition of any ‘debt recovery costs’ beyond the original PCN is likely unrecoverable and may constitute an abuse of process.
- In Britannia Parking v Semark-Jullien (2020), the courts ruled that adding a flat £60 debt recovery fee was an abuse of process and struck out the claim.
- If this claim proceeds with added fees, I will seek to have them struck out and will request costs for unreasonable behaviour.

2. Demand for Further Disclosure

To facilitate a meaningful response and comply with the Overriding Objective under CPR 1.1, I request the following within 30 days:

- A full breakdown of the claimed sum, showing any debt collection or legal fees.
- A copy of the original Parking Charge Notice(s) (PCNs).
- Timestamped ANPR or photographic evidence of the alleged contravention.
- Copies of the signage in place at the material time, including the full contractual terms.
- Evidence of landowner authority, showing VCS has the right to issue PCNs at the site.
- Clarification on whether the claim is pursued under contract law or trespass.
- If alleging Keeper Liability, confirmation that all PoFA 2012 requirements have been met.

If you fail to provide the above, I will draw this to the court’s attention as a failure to engage in pre-action conduct, potentially seeking an adverse costs order.

3. Next Steps & Potential Complaint

If you fail to provide the requested information or continue to pursue an unmeritorious claim:

- I will formally complain to the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) regarding potential breaches of SRA Code of Conduct (Principles 1, 4, 5 & 7) regarding misleading demands for payment.
- I will escalate a complaint to the DVLA for breach of the Keeper at Date of Event (KADOE) contract, as VCS’s misuse of DVLA data warrants investigation and potential sanctions.
- If you issue a claim without addressing these issues, I will request summary judgment or strike-out for failure to follow the PAP.
- If the claim proceeds, I will seek full costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g) for unreasonable behaviour.

4. No Admission of Liability & Right to Seek Further Advice

This letter should not be construed as an admission of any liability. I reserve the right to seek independent legal advice, and if necessary, to counterclaim for unreasonable conduct.

Please confirm receipt of this letter and provide a full response within 30 days.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[Email Address]
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on March 01, 2025, 01:07:11 pm
Good afternoon, I have today received a letter of claim from dcb legal.

https://imgur.com/a/FprcvYt

I would very much appreciate your advice on next steps please.

Thank you in advance and for your advice to date.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on October 09, 2024, 05:00:00 pm
Thank you, very useful advice.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on October 09, 2024, 01:22:52 pm
They will eventually issue a claim. Whether it actually gets as far as a hearing is very doubtful and even if it did, there is no Keeper liability and it would be thrown out on that alone.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: DWMB2 on October 09, 2024, 12:51:43 pm
VCS are a litigous bunch so a claim is fairly likely I'd say.

Another point, if you move house before the 6 years for them to make a claim have expired, be sure to write to VCS and inform them of your new address for service.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on October 09, 2024, 12:45:38 pm
Thank you both for your responses. I am not going to appeal to IAS. I will wait to see if they issue a letter of claim.

Many thanks again for your advice.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: DWMB2 on October 09, 2024, 12:34:23 pm
The (very  ;D ) few times I have seen successful IAS appeals, they have been on slam-dunk PoFA points like this, so might be worth a punt if the OP fancies it.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on October 09, 2024, 12:28:21 pm
It's all template, 'male bovine excrement' that they pump out. As you can see from this simple bit in that pile of poo:

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It is important we highlight that we will continue to pursue this matter on the reasonable assumption that you were the driver of the vehicle on the date in question until information/evidence to the contrary is provided.

So, they have failed to respond to the fact that "assumption", irrespective of whether it is "reasonable" or not, has no basis when it comes to Keeper liability and PoFA.

Personally, I wouldn't waste my time with IAS. However, others will disagree and it is up to you whether you have the energy and willpower to deal with the kangaroo court. If you do, show us what you propose sending before you submit anything.

Assuming you either don't bother with IAS or you do and it is unsuccessful, you would then have to ignore any and all Debt Recovery Agents (DRA) letters that follow. We are not interested in those. They are powerless to do anything and are a waste of time. Never, ever, ever communicate with the DRAs. You can safely ignore them and use their correspondence as lining for the bottom of a cat litter tray for what they're worth.

What you are waiting for is if/when a Letter of Claim (LoC) is issued. If/when you do receive one, then come back and show us and we will give you the correct response.

Eventually, an N1SDT Claim form will arrive from the CNBC. Again show us and we will provide the defence. These claims are easy to defend and almost never go all the way to a hearing as most are either discontinued or struck out at allocation stage. In the worst possible case scenario where it ever went all the way to a hearing and you were one of the one percenters who were unsuccessful, there is no danger of a CCJ on your record.

Over 99% of these claims are discontinued, struck-out or won.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on October 09, 2024, 11:51:21 am
Good morning,

Thank you for your advice to date. I have today received the below email from VCS in respect of the CNs, further to the response which I emailed to them, following your advice above on 2nd October. Am I right in thinking that there is no point in appealing to IAS (as per the option below) as from what I have read, this will not be successful? Is it worth responding to them further at this point or waiting to see if they issue debt recovery action, as per the below threat?

Many thanks
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Dear Mr x,
Re: Parking Charge Notice Number x - Vehicle: x
Site: Bristol Airport Post Code: BS48 3DY
Contravention Date: x
We refer to your appeal in respect of the above Charge Notice (CN) received on x.
Having considered the points you have raised and reviewed our records, we are unable to accept your appeal. Our main reason(s) for this decision are as follows:
The signs at the entrance to Bristol Airport and the access roads within, clearly state "No Stopping", giving clear notice that the land is private property and that a Charge of £100 will be levied if vehicles do stop. The above detailed vehicle stopped in a zone where stopping is prohibited and the driver became liable to pay that Charge.
In your appeal you state you were not the driver when your vehicle was seen to be stopped on the access road.
You state that our Notice is not compliant with the Protection Of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012 on the Notice issued to you; however we have not cited POFA 2012 nor stated that you are liable for the Charge as the vehicle keeper.
It is important we highlight that we will continue to pursue this matter on the reasonable assumption that you were the driver of the vehicle on the date in question until information/evidence to the contrary is provided.
A review of our CCTV evidence has confirmed that on the date in question, your vehicle stopped for an unreasonable amount of time on the access road where restrictions apply.
We note your comment concerning the use of byelaws at the Airport; as already stated the signs at the entrance to the airport clearly identify the roads as private property and byelaws are not currently in use.
As members of the International Parking Community's (IPC) Accredited Operator Scheme, it is necessary for us to evidence to the IPC that we have relevant authority to undertake parking management at the site concerned and that our signs at that location are compliant in setting out the relevant terms and conditions of use. We will only answer pertinent points at this stage.

There are over 80 high profile signs advising drivers not to stop and warning that if a driver does stop, a charge of £100 is payable. The signs exceed recognised industry standards, with some as large as 2m by 1.1m (6ft 6in by 3ft 7in) which clearly state "No Stopping" alongside the nationally recognised Highway Code symbol for a Clearway (No Stopping). Furthermore, the signage on the approach road is reflective and positioned to face oncoming vehicles and the text size used is relative to the average approach speed of a vehicle in relation to the speed limit in force at that location.
We have fully reviewed this case and we are satisfied that the Charge Notice was correctly issued. We are unable to accept the mitigating circumstances raised in your representations, your appeal is therefore rejected and the Charge will stand; photographic evidence which supports this can be viewed at www.myparkingcharge.co.uk.
What you should do next - Either:
1. Pay the Charge Notice (CN): In order to settle the Charge, the payment of £60 to reach us by 23/10/2024 or £100 to reach us by 06/11/2024 must be made. Failure to pay this charge within the stated times, may result in Debt Recovery Action being taken and further costs up to an additional £70 being incurred. Payments can be made
online at www.myparkingcharge.co.uk by following the links for "Pay Now", or over the phone by calling
0845 226 9138 by using a valid Credit or Debit Card.
OR:
2. Appeal to the Independent Appeals Services (IAS): If you believe this decision is incorrect, you are entitled to appeal to the IAS. In order to appeal, the IAS will need the following information (which is also contained in the subject header of this correspondence).
Notice Serial No: x Vehicle Registration Mark: x
Appeals must be submitted to the IAS within 28 days of the date of this correspondence. Please visit www.theias.org
for full details on how to submit an appeal online.
It is important you note that if you do make an appeal to the IAS, the reduced charge offered above will no longer
apply. You should also be aware that if a payment is made prior to an appeal being made to, or adjudicated by, the
IAS AND this is accepted as Full and Final settlement against the CN, the appeal will automatically be dismissed and
the matter will be deemed closed. Should you appeal to the IAS and it is unsuccessful, the full amount outstanding
(£100.00) will become payable within 14 days of the date the IAS decision is notified to you. Failure to pay this sum
in the 14 day period will result in debt recovery costs of up to £70.00 being added to the outstanding balance.
It is important we also highlight that no further appeals will be accepted at this office; any such appeal must be
made to the IAS.
Please also note that further costs may be incurred should it be necessary for us to subsequently recover any
outstanding charge using further debt recovery and/or court action.

Yours sincerely

Appeals Administration Team
CENTRAL PROCESSING OFFICE
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on October 02, 2024, 03:35:20 pm
Thank you very much, much appreciated.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on October 02, 2024, 03:15:55 pm
Respond with the following:

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Dear Sir/Madam,

Your latest response does little more than confirm your ongoing reliance on the absurd "assumption" that I, as the registered keeper, was the driver. I’m not sure whether to be astonished or amused by this continued strategy, especially considering your firm’s humiliating thrashing in VCS v Edward (2023) [H0KF6C9C] — a claim which has now become persuasive case law. It seems VCS has learned nothing from that ruling, which confirmed that assumptions, without evidence, are worthless in court.

Let me make this clear: it is not my responsibility to disprove your assumptions. The burden of proof is entirely on VCS to provide evidence that I was the driver. As it stands, you have none. If VCS are so confident in their flawed assumption, I invite VCS to put their money where their mouth is and take this to court. It will be interesting to see how far this ridiculous argument gets you — particularly when your own firm’s failed appeal serves as a warning of what happens when you pursue spurious claims based on assumptions.

If you do not cancel this PCN, I am more than prepared to see it through to the inevitable conclusion. It would be an amusing exercise to watch this baseless claim fall apart under scrutiny.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Registered Keeper
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on October 02, 2024, 02:16:17 pm
I received a reply from VCS, see below; is anyone able to advise how to respond please or whether I should just ignore it at this stage? For clarity, I responded initially via email verbatim as per the previously advised wording from Hero Member. Many thanks in advance.

We refer to correspondence received from you concerning the above numbered Charge Notice.
Please note that responsibility for this Charge lies with the driver of the vehicle at the time the parking contravention was observed. However, it appears from what you have stated in your appeal that you were not the driver on the date in question.
You state that our Notice is not compliant with the Protection Of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012 on the Notice issued to you; however we have not cited POFA 2012 nor stated that you are liable for the Charge as the vehicle keeper.
It is important we highlight that we will continue to pursue this matter on the reasonable assumption that you were the driver of the vehicle on the date in question until information/evidence to the contrary is provided.
In order for us to process your appeal correctly, please follow the instructions below:
1. Notify the driver of the vehicle that they will need to appeal to us directly, including their FULL NAME (Forename
and Surname) and a valid FULL SERVICEABLE HOME ADDRESS within 14 days.
2. If you are representing the driver we require a signed and dated statement from the driver of the vehicle confirming that you are authorised to appeal on his/her behalf; this needs to be an original signature and not a photocopy or a stamp. The statement MUST contain the drivers FULL NAME (Forename and Surname) and a valid FULL SERVICEABLE HOME ADDRESS.
Please ensure that correspondence is submitted through the portal www.myparkingcharge.co.uk in order to correctly adhere with the appeals process.
OR

3. Pay the PCN. Payments can be made online at www.myparkingcharge.co.uk by following the links for "Pay Now",
or over the phone by calling 0845 226 9138 and using a valid Credit or Debit Card to make payment. It is your
responsibility to ensure that payment is received within our office by the date specified.
As a gesture of goodwill we have placed the charge on hold for an additional period of 14 Days to enable one of the above actions to be complied with.
We are willing to re-offer you the original discounted charge of £60 as full and final settlement of this Notice, if payment is received within our office on or before the 24/09/2024.
If payment is not received by this date, the amount payable will revert to £100, payable by 08/10/2024. Failure to pay this charge within the stated times, may result in Debt Recovery action been taken and further costs up to an additional £70.00 been incurred.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: DWMB2 on August 21, 2024, 03:19:02 pm
For clarity, you'll need to submit a separate appeal for each.

VCS can be a stubborn bunch, so you may be in it for the long haul.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on August 21, 2024, 02:55:18 pm
Thank you very much for the advice, I will do that.
Title: Re: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: b789 on August 21, 2024, 02:17:34 pm
Ah, “mugs” discount. Good job you didn’t fall for that one.

Never identify the driver. Only the driver can be liable and VCS have no idea who that is unless the keeper tells them.

Appeal with the following for each PCN, verbatim:

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I am the registered keeper. VCS cannot hold a registered keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, VCS will be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions because BRISTOL Airport is not 'relevant land'.

If Bristol Airports landowners wanted to hold owners or keepers liable under Airport Byelaws, that would be within the landowner's gift and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not pleaded, it is also not legally possible because VCS is not the Airport owner and your 'parking charge' is not and never attempts to be a penalty. It is created for VCS’s own profit (as opposed to a byelaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and VCS has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NTK can only hold the driver liable. So you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Title: VCS CN - Stopping in a prohibited zone - Bristol airport - 3 x CNs in 13 minutes
Post by: benb76 on August 21, 2024, 11:21:36 am
Whilst waiting to collect their daughter from Bristol airport in the middle of the night last month, the driver stopped in three places within 13 minutes (02:23, 02:31 & 02:36) and has received a charge notice for each of these times, for £100 each. I, the registered keeper, have returned from a recent holiday, to receive these three charge notices. Any advice would be gratefully appreciated, I have read many of the threads on the forum, today is the last day on which £60 will be accepted for each CN, which I do not intend to do. I have not responded to VCS yet. Many thanks in advance for any help offered. The date of event was 31/07/24 and the issue date of each CN was 07/08/24.

https://imgur.com/a/take-two-cn-xHcJND9