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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: WHEELS on August 18, 2024, 02:05:30 pm
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Still I have not received any further correspondence regarding this ticket? After moving I set up a mail redirection to ensure I get my mail. I'm hoping I can forget about it, what are the chances that they don't want to process it?
You moved when?
You set up mail redirection for how long?
The council are the tardiest aren't they!
Anyway, they had until 7 Feb. 2025 to serve the NTO otherwise they're timed-out.
2) A notice to owner may not be served after the expiry of the period of 6 months beginning with the relevant date.
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d)in any other case, [the relevant date] is the date on which the relevant penalty charge notice was served under regulation 9.
So, find out from the council the date the NTO was issued. Just this, don't discuss anything else.
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Worthing's website says they have sent a notice to owner.
You need to call Worthing tomorrow and ask what the status is of the PCN.
When did you move and have you updated the logbook.
Don't worry - as long as it hasn't gone beyond a debt for recovery deadline you have automatic recourse to get this sorted.
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You've left your name and address on the letter so you may want to take it down.
Here's the substance of the rejection. I'm sure Mr Anderson will agree that you should wait for the notice to owner.
(https://i.imgur.com/aXRZU2F.png)
Still I have not received any further correspondence regarding this ticket? After moving I set up a mail redirection to ensure I get my mail. I'm hoping I can forget about it, what are the chances that they don't want to process it?
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You've left your name and address on the letter so you may want to take it down.
Here's the substance of the rejection. I'm sure Mr Anderson will agree that you should wait for the notice to owner.
(https://i.imgur.com/aXRZU2F.png)
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Do they have time limits for replies? I didn’t know? I’m glad they were late as I’ve been moving and I’m in so much pain I can hardly think, although I can hardly think straight on a good day! 😂. Just to add to my distress, I parked in Iceland car park (nearest) paid my pound, didn’t refund at till as I was delayed due to spasms of pain, I had to sit & take pain relief before returning to car, unbeknownst to me I was 12 mins over & they’ve sent me a ticket too! 🤯
that length of delay would appear unreasonable
There is a legal limit on replies to representations against a Notice to Owner of 56 days. However, in your case, this is a reply to an informal challenge against a PCN, and there are no legal limits. However, there is a legal limit on service of a Notice to Owner of 6 months from contravention date. So they've already used up half of this.
Would an adjudicator consider the delays such, as to make it an abuse of process to proceed with enforcement ? Well, you'll only find out by taking them all the way through the process !
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Do they have time limits for replies? I didn’t know? I’m glad they were late as I’ve been moving and I’m in so much pain I can hardly think, although I can hardly think straight on a good day! 😂. Just to add to my distress, I parked in Iceland car park (nearest) paid my pound, didn’t refund at till as I was delayed due to spasms of pain, I had to sit & take pain relief before returning to car, unbeknownst to me I was 12 mins over & they’ve sent me a ticket too! 🤯
that length of delay would appear unreasonable
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Please see rejection notice attached, just as you said stamfordman!
Wow, I’ve only just heard back & they rejected my submission, I will post in the next couple of days.
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that length of delay would appear unreasonable
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Wow, I’ve only just heard back & they rejected my submission, I will post in the next couple of days.
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They will probably reject but don't be dismayed - post the letter here and we'll deal with it.
Thank you, I will.
Nothing heard yet!
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They will probably reject but don't be dismayed - post the letter here and we'll deal with it.
Thank you, I will.
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They will probably reject but don't be dismayed - post the letter here and we'll deal with it.
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No fingers crossed at all. It's the law.
Now, whether Worthing are now up to speed on the law I don't know. My only interactions were 2-3 years ago for my daughter-in-law. We won both and got costs awarded against them for the second.
At that time their obdurance was matched by their ignorance.
Let's see how they treat you.
If they play silly b*****s then, as I make frequent trips to Worthing and I'm retired with time on my hands(at least outside school holidays), I might just observe the conflicting situation within that zone(which might be repeated elsewhere for all we know) and write to them. But not until your* PCN has been determined.
*- on this point, are you the registered keeper with current DVLA details.
I'll try to keep my positive head on!
Yes I am the registered keeper, and thank you vey much.
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No fingers crossed at all. It's the law.
Now, whether Worthing are now up to speed on the law I don't know. My only interactions were 2-3 years ago for my daughter-in-law. We won both and got costs awarded against them for the second.
At that time their obdurance was matched by their ignorance.
Let's see how they treat you.
If they play silly b*****s then, as I make frequent trips to Worthing and I'm retired with time on my hands(at least outside school holidays), I might just observe the conflicting situation within that zone(which might be repeated elsewhere for all we know) and write to them. But not until your* PCN has been determined.
*- on this point, are you the registered keeper with current DVLA details.
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The suggested reps are fine.
OP, you really must dig out your copy of Traffic Signs from GOV.UK, or buy a copy.
A Pedestrian Zone MUST be signed at every vehicle entrance with the prescribed form of sign. I gave you this in an earlier post(Traffic Signs Manual, Chapter 3, s6. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/782724/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf.
It is this form of sign which MUST be present and configured as in 6.2 page 58. ONLY THIS carries the meaning: 'Entry to and waiting in ..PZ restricted'.
The council has a serious problem, you don't.
Thank you, yes I must swat up again on my signs, although that will not compare to the technical help provided here, for which I am very grateful. Thank you.
I sent it off as per the above, thank you all. I shall keep my fingers crossed.
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The suggested reps are fine.
OP, you really must dig out your copy of Traffic Signs from GOV.UK, or buy a copy.
A Pedestrian Zone MUST be signed at every vehicle entrance with the prescribed form of sign. I gave you this in an earlier post(Traffic Signs Manual, Chapter 3, s6. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/782724/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf.
It is this form of sign which MUST be present and configured as in 6.2 page 58. ONLY THIS carries the meaning: 'Entry to and waiting in ..PZ restricted'.
The council has a serious problem, you don't.
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I would just send them this as an initial challenge.
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I am challenging the PCN on the grounds that the contravention did not occur. The pedestrian zone entry signs at both ends of South Street do not have waiting restriction signs, and in the absence of yellow lines, where I waited briefly in Bath Place, the waiting/loading contravention cannot have occurred.
I see your CEO's pictures include a waiting timeplate that purports to establish a zone but it is a repeater sign that does not repeat an initial zone entry sign that must be there to establish a zone.
I trust you will cancel this PCN owing to faulty signage and look forward to early conformation.
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Wait for Mr Anderson to check this. They will no doubt reject this but this lays down a marker.
Below are some pics they took.
[img width=639.996826171875 height=1137.9942626953125]https://i.ibb.co/mh48MQD/w2.jpg[/img]
[img width=639.996826171875 height=1137.9942626953125]https://i.ibb.co/19x5WTp/w3.jpg[/img]
[img width=639.996826171875 height=1137.9942626953125]https://i.ibb.co/W66j4S6/w1.jpg[/img]
Thank you, I shall wait for Mr Anderson as you suggest, but thank you for spelling it out for me.
My grandson very kindly took photos for me of the signs entering the original pedestrian precinct of Montague St from South St, will these make a difference, because there does not appear to be any signs at the entrance into Bath Place? Even the original signs exiting the roundabout say "Except for loading" and underneath the little sign, "no loading at any time" it is all rather ambiguous?
https://imgur.com/a/OzZixU9
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I would just send them this as an initial challenge.
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I am challenging the PCN on the grounds that the contravention did not occur. The pedestrian zone entry signs at both ends of South Street do not have waiting restriction signs, and in the absence of yellow lines, where I waited briefly in Bath Place, the waiting/loading contravention cannot have occurred.
I see your CEO's pictures include a waiting timeplate that purports to establish a zone but it is a repeater sign that does not repeat an initial zone entry sign that must be there to establish a zone.
I trust you will cancel this PCN owing to faulty signage and look forward to early conformation.
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Wait for Mr Anderson to check this. They will no doubt reject this but this lays down a marker.
Below are some pics they took.
[img width=639.996826171875 height=1137.9942626953125]https://i.ibb.co/mh48MQD/w2.jpg[/img]
[img width=639.996826171875 height=1137.9942626953125]https://i.ibb.co/19x5WTp/w3.jpg[/img]
[img width=639.996826171875 height=1137.9942626953125]https://i.ibb.co/W66j4S6/w1.jpg[/img]
Thank you, I shall wait for Mr Anderson as you suggest, but thank you for spelling it out for me.
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GSV=Google Street View
as here: -
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Buckingham+Palace/@51.5018448,-0.1420295,17z/data=!3m1!5s0x487605276d38fb6b:0xe1c60228d7946675!4m6!3m5!1s0x48760520cd5b5eb5:0xa26abf514d902a7!8m2!3d51.501364!4d-0.14189!16zL20vMDE5OGc?authuser=0&entry=ttu
and at street level
https://maps.app.goo.gl/MP81gcUZWWGVx9En9
Aha, thank you.
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I would just send them this as an initial challenge.
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I am challenging the PCN on the grounds that the contravention did not occur. The pedestrian zone entry signs at both ends of South Street do not have waiting restriction signs, and in the absence of yellow lines, where I waited briefly in Bath Place, the waiting/loading contravention cannot have occurred.
I see your CEO's pictures include a waiting timeplate that purports to establish a zone but it is a repeater sign that does not repeat an initial zone entry sign that must be there to establish a zone.
I trust you will cancel this PCN owing to faulty signage and look forward to early conformation.
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Wait for Mr Anderson to check this. They will no doubt reject this but this lays down a marker.
Below are some pics they took.
(https://i.ibb.co/mh48MQD/w2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/19x5WTp/w3.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/W66j4S6/w1.jpg)
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GSV=Google Street View
as here: -
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Buckingham+Palace/@51.5018448,-0.1420295,17z/data=!3m1!5s0x487605276d38fb6b:0xe1c60228d7946675!4m6!3m5!1s0x48760520cd5b5eb5:0xa26abf514d902a7!8m2!3d51.501364!4d-0.14189!16zL20vMDE5OGc?authuser=0&entry=ttu
and at street level
https://maps.app.goo.gl/MP81gcUZWWGVx9En9
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Do not drive into the zone. Use disabled bays nearby if you can.
Good advice @stamfordman!
The OP needs to refresh their memory regarding the meaning of signs.
OP, in this case if the sign is as in GSV then this means:
Entry to the Pedestrian Zone restricted, in this case motor vehicles prohibited from passing the sign at all times except for loading Mon-Sat between the stated hours and buses at all times.
These signs can be configured in many different ways:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs/pedestrian-zone-signs--2#:~:text=Depending%20on%20the%20extent%20of,entry%20signs%20and%20repeater%20plates.
This sign may have an additional plate which must be placed at the bottom and which creates waiting and loading restrictions and the council may dispense with yellow lines and blips within the zone.
But the council have forgotten the bottom plate and waiting and loading are NOT restricted unless yellow lines and blips are placed inside the zone.
You can guess what they'll say..there are repeater signs.
But what are they repeating? Nothing. The inclusion of a 'No Waiting' etc. plate on the PZ sign not only warns motorists of the restrictions within the zone, it also defines its limits i.e. the zone.
Even if 'Repeater signs' were considered adequate notice, what are the limits of the restriction if there aren't markings.
Contravention did not occur.
The CEO's photos show that at your location in Bath Place there aren't any waiting or loading markings. As the authority know, these may be dispensed with only if these restrictions, which should be uniform throughout the zone, are signed on the Pedestrian Zone entry signs.
As can be seen, there are no such supplementary plates on the PZ signs. Therefore, not only did your contravention not occur- because the restriction was not marked as required- but given that GSV from 1 year ago shows the same sign this means that all penalties demanded by the authority for waiting and or loading since at least then have not been valid - but perhaps leave this point until later, if necessary.
Are you the registered keeper with current DVLA details?
Thank you, yes I am the registered keeper and it does have disabled class on my V5 & I am the blue badge holder, which was in my window next to my note "delivering to no 5".
Apologies for being dense, but what is GSV please? I am trying to put what you have said above into an appeal, but I dont quite get it sorry, my brain is not functioning well at all? I wonder, because where the roundabout exits onto South St it looks like a normal road, despite the sign, it is not until you turn left into Montague St that it is "paved" as a pedestrian zone (possibly because many years ago, that part (South St) wasnt pedestrianised?), that the sign at the entrance to Montague St takes precedence over the South St entry sign? I took it from Google maps, but it is 6 years old, I could not get near enough to photograph without entering the no vehicle zone to take it in person? Should I go back and attempt that somehow, or perhaps I could ask somebody to take it for me?
Ive just realised it is Wed, I thought it was Tues, so I have to get my appeal in today? Sorry for the rush, but I do get mixed up easily. There are no disabled bays nearby and I have my support dog with me at all times, and right now she is suffering badly with arthritis and seizures, so I cannot be traipsing her around the roads, even if I were capable or not myself. I cannot leave her at home as she gets separation anxiety now, which could trigger a seizure, so I cannot leave her unattended. Interestingly the warden took a picture of her through the window too. Also, the ticket doesnt give any minutes, is that relevant, should they not observe you for 5 mins or something, or is that only for actual parking?
Sorry to ask more questions, but they dont all come to me at once?
Thank you in anticipation of your response [img width=22.99988555908203 height=22.99988555908203]https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji120.png[/img]
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Do not drive into the zone. Use disabled bays nearby if you can.
Good advice @stamfordman!
The OP needs to refresh their memory regarding the meaning of signs.
OP, in this case if the sign is as in GSV then this means:
Entry to the Pedestrian Zone restricted, in this case motor vehicles prohibited from passing the sign at all times except for loading Mon-Sat between the stated hours and buses at all times.
These signs can be configured in many different ways:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs/pedestrian-zone-signs--2#:~:text=Depending%20on%20the%20extent%20of,entry%20signs%20and%20repeater%20plates.
This sign may have an additional plate which must be placed at the bottom and which creates waiting and loading restrictions and the council may dispense with yellow lines and blips within the zone.
But the council have forgotten the bottom plate and waiting and loading are NOT restricted unless yellow lines and blips are placed inside the zone.
You can guess what they'll say..there are repeater signs.
But what are they repeating? Nothing. The inclusion of a 'No Waiting' etc. plate on the PZ sign not only warns motorists of the restrictions within the zone, it also defines its limits i.e. the zone.
Even if 'Repeater signs' were considered adequate notice, what are the limits of the restriction if there aren't markings.
Contravention did not occur.
The CEO's photos show that at your location in Bath Place there aren't any waiting or loading markings. As the authority know, these may be dispensed with only if these restrictions, which should be uniform throughout the zone, are signed on the Pedestrian Zone entry signs.
As can be seen, there are no such supplementary plates on the PZ signs. Therefore, not only did your contravention not occur- because the restriction was not marked as required- but given that GSV from 1 year ago shows the same sign this means that all penalties demanded by the authority for waiting and or loading since at least then have not been valid - but perhaps leave this point until later, if necessary.
Are you the registered keeper with current DVLA details?
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Hopefully this link will show two photographs of the signs upon exiting the roundabout, plus the actual sign taken by the warden in Bath Plc. The photo of the sign on the right, it is actually facing to the right, so if coming off the roundabout to the left from the main seafront road, the sign cannot be seen, and the one on the left is probably on top of you before you even notice. I just believed it was an access only road, otherwise how do the businesses cope? There have been workmen and their lorries working there for months, deliveries regularly. There's everything from catering establishments, a gym, beauty, tanning, barbers, second hand shop, all sorts, how do they cope if nobody can use the road, it is the only way to enter Bath Plc? Not that I wish to take on everybody's issues, but I need to prepare for the future.
https://imgur.com/a/ttYapxX
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Do not drive into the zone. Use disabled bays nearby if you can.
Noted thank you.
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Do not drive into the zone. Use disabled bays nearby if you can.
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You've posted Google Maps signs as I did. We are looking for current pics of signs.
As for the pedestrian zone, there is obviously an exemption for buses and during certain times for loading - but that means goods vehicles or maybe people moving bulky personal stuff. There is no exemption for driving into the zone for anything else (emergency vehicles though are probably exempted in the order). There are no disabled parking bays. We'd have to get the full traffic order though to be sure.
Sorry I thought those were the photos I had taken! Please excuse my incompetence, I'm such an idiot! In my defence, I do have brain damage, amongst other things, which affect my functioning! To make sure, I will return to the scene and take new photos! ::)
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You've posted Google Maps signs as I did. We are looking for current pics of signs.
As for the pedestrian zone, there is obviously an exemption for buses and during certain times for loading - but that means goods vehicles or maybe people moving bulky personal stuff. There is no exemption for driving into the zone for anything else (emergency vehicles though are probably exempted in the order). There are no disabled parking bays. We'd have to get the full traffic order though to be sure.
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Here is the link to the photos I thought I had posted!
https://imgur.com/a/eDzb1u7
As per my explanation above "they did not save in the correct order, but second photo is on the left as you come off the roundabout into South St, the first one with WH Smith in the background is on the right as you turn off South St into Montague St, and the third is the sign in Bath Plc further up a bit from where I parked".
Thank you for all your comments, much appreciated, so is the consensus of opinion that I should pay, or that there has been an error with signage/DYLs etc that I could use to my advantage please?
It is certainly a lesson learned, although I can avoid the loading/unloading times in the future, I am not sure about the no entry as I will have to go back there again, as do others for the various businesses and flats above?
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You haven't posted pics of signs.
I'm guessing though they are the same as those I've posted?
The pedestrian zone gateway sign prohibits you from entering the zone - you should know that. In London most of these zones are controlled by CCTV and you would get a moving traffic PCN unless exempt.
But it's a waiting/loading contravention you have.
That's weird, I thought it had posted with my explanation of the photos not saving in the order I had uploaded them? I shall try again.
With regard to the no access at all, I know that is not my ticket, but how do the businesses cope them, because there are lots of deliveries to the businesses etc?
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You haven't posted pics of signs.
I'm guessing though they are the same as those I've posted?
The pedestrian zone gateway sign prohibits you from entering the zone - you should know that. In London most of these zones are controlled by CCTV and you would get a moving traffic PCN unless exempt.
But it's a waiting/loading contravention you have.
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So OP, how did you enter Bath Pl and what gateway signs did you pass? Photos if you can or very recent GSV.
I entered from the roundabout into South St, left into Montague ST, then left into Bath Place, I went back and took photos of the signs after the event and they are in the link above. In my head I thought it was an "access only" area & since I was accessing the property, I assumed it ok to travel there. I did not see the loading/unloading sign until the parking warden pointed it out. Nor did I see the blips, but there were no DYLs.
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So OP, how did you enter Bath Pl and what gateway signs did you pass? Photos if you can or very recent GSV.
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Sorry yes it is a gateway pedestrian zone with the below sign just around the corner from the dogleg part the OP went into but there are no gateway waiting restrictions as of GSV in June 2023.
The waiting signs only appear at a turn part way in because the main road from gateway to gateway is covered by double yellows.
Maybe it is wrongly signed as I'd expect waiting restrictions at the gateway but they've mixed yellows and no yellows.
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.8098095,-0.3698274,3a,75y,345.12h,76.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spDOORncLW2kD4jZMZ1UNEA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D13.919945005321665%26panoid%3DpDOORncLW2kD4jZMZ1UNEA%26yaw%3D345.1190269543905!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu
(https://i.ibb.co/3zwcC4n/Screenshot-2024-08-18-at-22-26-28.png)
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This is signed as a 'pedestrian zone' but the signs just give a waiting and loading restriction if still current.
[img width=729.996337890625 height=689.9965209960938]https://i.ibb.co/h1j80Tq/Screenshot-2024-08-18-at-18-36-42.png[/img]
[img width=396.9980163574219 height=304.99847412109375]https://i.ibb.co/zFjGy7y/Screenshot-2024-08-18-at-18-40-00.png[/img]
Here is a link to three photos, they did not save in the correct order, but second photo is on the left as you come off the roundabout into South St, the first one with WH Smith in the background is on the right as you turn off South St into Montague St, and the third is the sign in Bath Plc further up a bit from where I parked. There were no DYLs as I recall. I have not been onto the council site to see what they have captured, because the person took pictures of my badge etc, so I will do that and download what they have.
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The back of the PCN pl.
And how did you enter Bath Pl and were there DYL?
Is this still within a Pedestrian Zone?
GSV is a combination of 1 and 6-year old snaps. The 1-year old do not impose a waiting restriction. It's a mish-mash.
Here is the back of the ticket
https://imgur.com/a/s1v1meO
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But this is not a gateway sign, it is a repeater and in itself has no legal effect. We need to see the current gateway sign, and the one in GSV which is 1 year old omits any waiting restriction.
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This is signed as a 'pedestrian zone' but the signs just give a waiting and loading restriction if still current.
(https://i.ibb.co/h1j80Tq/Screenshot-2024-08-18-at-18-36-42.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/zFjGy7y/Screenshot-2024-08-18-at-18-40-00.png)
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The back of the PCN pl.
And how did you enter Bath Pl and were there DYL?
Is this still within a Pedestrian Zone?
GSV is a combination of 1 and 6-year old snaps. The 1-year old do not impose a waiting restriction. It's a mish-mash.
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You need to use an external image site as described here:
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
As I expect you know there is no exemption for blue badge holders when loading restrictions are in force.
The council can consider compelling circumstances - what were you delivering and was it essential during the restricted time?
Thank you, I did read that, but tried the phone first as it said, to no avail. Hopefully this will work https://imgur.com/a/5ZNXsoU
Yes I know I cannot park where its loading/unloading restrictions, but the sign was further along, not in the layby where I was. The circumstances were that it was the only time I had available and did not realise there was a time restriction, as the sign was not where I parked. It is a pedestrian way and says access only, which I was doing, accessing the property there.
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You need to use an external image site as described here:
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
As I expect you know there is no exemption for blue badge holders when loading restrictions are in force.
The council can consider compelling circumstances - what were you delivering and was it essential during the restricted time?
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Hi Folks
I was ticketed a week or so ago delivering something to an address that was in an unloading/loading restricted area/time, ie, no loading/unloading 10am-4pm,it was 2.05pm. I am disabled with a blue badge, so I put badge and a note saying delivering to No5, I wasnt long at all and came out to find a warden giving me a ticket. There were also single blips on pavement, but as a disabled driver and this being a business and residential premises, so access only road, do I have any chance of getting away with it, or am I bang to rights? There is nowhere nearby where I can park and walk, its too far with my pain to just to hand something in? The ticket says observed from 2.05-2.05? Isn't there a minimum, or is that only for parking?
All comments appreciated. TIA. TQ.
This is my ticket, where I was parked in relation to the sign & a view from the opposite side where there appears to be a layby, but the sign is further along, not on the layby, and just to be pedantic, the blips are not clear with the tables and chairs etc, plus a approx link to Google maps.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/yXNtUjRS7jtfcErf6?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy
I have tried to upload the photos, but it wont let me, they are jpgs?
Just to be cheeky, I was wondering if I would be covered like a post person would be delivering mail, ie, not unloading or loading something, which I assume means boxes or parcels, not parking, but just delivering something?
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Hi Folks
I was ticketed a week or so ago delivering something to an address that was in an unloading/loading restricted area/time, ie, no loading/unloading 10am-4pm,it was 2.05pm. I am disabled with a blue badge, so I put badge and a note saying delivering to No5, I wasnt long at all and came out to find a warden giving me a ticket. There were also single blips on pavement, but as a disabled driver and this being a business and residential premises, so access only road, do I have any chance of getting away with it, or am I bang to rights? There is nowhere nearby where I can park and walk, its too far with my pain to just to hand something in? The ticket says observed from 2.05-2.05? Isn't there a minimum, or is that only for parking?
All comments appreciated. TIA. TQ.
This is my ticket, where I was parked in relation to the sign & a view from the opposite side where there appears to be a layby, but the sign is further along, not on the layby, and just to be pedantic, the blips are not clear with the tables and chairs etc, plus a approx link to Google maps.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/yXNtUjRS7jtfcErf6?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy
I have tried to upload the photos, but it wont let me, they are jpgs?
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Hi Folks
I was ticketed a week or so ago delivering something to an address that was in an unloading/loading restricted area/time, ie, no loading/unloading 10am-4pm,it was 2.05pm. I am disabled with a blue badge, so I put badge and a note saying delivering to No5, I wasnt long at all and came out to find a warden giving me a ticket. There were also single blips on pavement, but as a disabled driver and this being a business and residential premises, so access only road, do I have any chance of getting away with it, or am I bang to rights? There is nowhere nearby where I can park and walk, its too far with my pain to just to hand something in? The ticket says observed from 2.05-2.05? Isn't there a minimum, or is that only for parking?
All comments appreciated. TIA. TQ.