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General discussion => The Flame Pit => Topic started by: John Glacier on August 16, 2024, 11:10:26 am

Title: Re: Train fare dodging and SJP
Post by: Southpaw82 on August 17, 2024, 06:26:08 pm
I hadn’t the benefit of the judgment, but s 5(3) could not have been included for the reason we both recognise. Presumably s 5 was omitted in its entirety for that reason, who knows? 🤷🏻‍♂️

That said, s 5(1) isn’t an offence of fare evasion (which is what the OP asked) but rather an offence of failing to give details, so I would in any case claim a technical victory  ;)
Title: Re: Train fare dodging and SJP
Post by: NewJudge on August 17, 2024, 05:09:58 pm
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I would imagine it’s because the offence is imprisonable, and as such the SJP can’t be used.

I'm going to stick my neck out here, sp and suggest you may not be correct. And that's as strong as I'm going to put it for fear of reprisals!  8)

Here's the Chief Magistrate's ruling:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Railway-Ruling-Final-Judgment.pdf

It's a lengthy read, but the essence of it can be boiled down to this:

"21. It follows that Railway Operators are only empowered to institute proceedings by way of a written charge and Single Justice Procedure Notice for the limited number of offences defined by the 2016 Order as “railways offences”. That does not include offences contrary to section 5(1) or 5(3) of the RRA. Prosecution of those offences should not have taken place using the Single Justice Procedure."


In short, offences under those two sections of the RRA were not included in the list of "railway offences" which railway operators could prosecute via the SJP.

However....offences under s5(3) do carry a custodial sentence (maximum 3 months) so they would be ruled out of the SJP anyway. But those under s5(1) can only be dealt with by way of a fine (Level 2).

Of course it may be that neither was included in the 2016 order precisely because one of them was imprisonable so as to avoid any confusion, in which case you can claim victory (sort of). That's why I wouldn't put my opening remark too strongly!  ;D
Title: Re: Train fare dodging and SJP
Post by: The Rookie on August 16, 2024, 06:52:48 pm
Thanks, wasn’t aware of that, every day is a school day!
Title: Re: Train fare dodging and SJP
Post by: Southpaw82 on August 16, 2024, 06:06:05 pm
I would imagine it’s because the offence is imprisonable, and as such the SJP can’t be used.
Title: Re: Train fare dodging and SJP
Post by: The Rookie on August 16, 2024, 11:50:44 am
Having scoured a number of articles trying to find out 'why', this is the best I've und so far.

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Rail companies were permitted to use the SJP in 2016 to privately prosecute fare evaders, but many of those were brought under the Regulation of Railways Act 1889, which is not allowed under the procedure.

A number of rail accompanies have 'acknowledged' the error so it seems genuine, though I'm yet to find out why that act doesn't allow it, presumably some arcane wording that can't be over written by the more modern SJPN 'stuff'.

1889 act
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/52-53/57/enacted

The only bit I see that suggests anything is the "he shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine" is not a fine imposed by an SJ a 'summary conviction' (if the defendant plead guilty)? I don't know the answer.
Title: Re: Train fare dodging and SJP
Post by: John Glacier on August 16, 2024, 11:19:58 am
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2024-08-15/thousands-of-rail-fare-prosecutions-set-to-be-declared-void
Title: Re: Train fare dodging and SJP
Post by: Southpaw82 on August 16, 2024, 11:16:18 am
Who says there is a problem?
Title: Train fare dodging and SJP
Post by: John Glacier on August 16, 2024, 11:10:26 am
What exactly is the problem with using the SJP for train evasion prosecutions?