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Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: fluffysocks36 on August 12, 2024, 05:21:26 pm
Before digging myself a deeper hole I mightn’t be able to climb out of, I contacted the firm you recommended @b789. They’ve advised me they’d review the documents I’ve already filed and served and see if they’re able to assist. My worry is they’d only have by 1630PM on the 14th of August to file and serve any documents they wish to on my behalf should they think they’re able to save me from this tom foolery. I really hope they can help, if not they’ve said they can try to tackle the issue on an employment matter and would have to pass me onto the appropriate department. I’ll keep you updated depending on what they say hopefully tomorrow since I’ve not heard anything back today :) fingers and toes crossed!
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: b789 on August 12, 2024, 01:32:15 am
Just send the defence and the draft order and the two transcripts. It can’t do any more harm than your original defence. Don’t send it as an application. Just send it to the court with your claim number in the subject.

Why would you give up now? What about your WS?
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: fluffysocks36 on August 11, 2024, 08:13:28 pm
Thank you once again B789!

I'll definitely still be going to the hearing to defend the claim as I do not want another CCJ by default. However, I think this is too far gone to submit another defence and draft order since I would be required to file an N244 form as you previously mentioned.

I can attempt to get a copy of the contract with JLL from the current manager of the store, however, I don't want to get him in trouble either since he has tried on multiple occasions to communicate with UKPC regarding the matter with the response always being due to it having reached a litigation stage there's nothing more they can do. I did however recently fill out their online form asking if employees of where I worked were permitted to park on the Land and I am awaiting a response from JLL.

I have a feeling the judge will rule in their favour based on them claiming I was breaching the contract I "agreed" with upon entering the car park despite being an employee and not a customer as their signs stated.

I don't know if ACAS would be of much help either, however, I've drafted a letter I'm hoping to send to my employer upon the conclusion of this case if the outcome is I have to pay the "debt". Would you say it's a bit too late to contact Contestor Legal Services now as the court date is fast approaching and I have already filed and served both my defence and witness statement which were incorrect to begin with?

Quite frankly, I was screwed over massively by my employer for them not having dealt with this appropriately at the initial PCN stage where this all could've been avoided.
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: b789 on August 11, 2024, 07:58:27 pm
You have to defend against the claim by UKPC. You don't have any choice unless you want a default CCJ issued again.

You should have tried to get some form of evidence of the contract between your employer and JLL. It is JLL is the agent of the landowner and it is they who will have contracted UKPC. Have you tried at all to get JLL to cancel the PCNs?

Your company will have been telling JLL to get the PCNs cancelled.

You haven't incurred any losses yet as a judge has not told you that you owe a debt to UKPC. In the event you are unsuccessful with the claim and you lose the claim and have to pay the CCJ, then you can try your luck with ACAS although I doubt that you'd have much success.

The employment lawyer you speak to would need to have some understanding of the litigation process and modus operandi of the unregulated parking companies, which is pretty rare outside of this and the MSE forum. There is one company that have a very good track record with this type of litigation, Contestor Legal Services (https://www.contestorlegal.co.uk) but you'd have to have a word with them and they are not employment specialists.

Here is just one recent case from their blog for a claim with exactly the same circumstances as your with respect to failure to comply with CPR 16.4:

Legal Triumph: Jackson Yamba Secures £2,603.99 Cost Award Against Parking and Property Management Ltd (Represented by BW Legal Services Ltd) (https://www.contestorlegal.co.uk/blog-3/legal-triumph-jackson-yamba-secures-260399-cost-award-against-parking-and-property-management-ltd-represented-by-bw-legal-services-ltd)
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: fluffysocks36 on August 11, 2024, 07:18:47 pm
Apologies! Here's the link: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/s24zd5kpf9c4lglqisro8/AMcfevtCnXQzNzqOvFSpRFA?rlkey=kk0nhnh6yk9rsc5mbfl120eyf&st=dihjj0yu&dl=0

I don't believe they own the land since it's a retail park. From the exhibits provided by UKPC/DCB I think the land is owned by a company called JLL. But there might be a contract between my company and JLL since they're likely to be renting a spot on the land from JLL, which was my logic behind it.

I will be contacting an employment lawyer tomorrow to see if I have a case or if I am able to take my employer through mediation to recover the losses I have incurred as a result of the negligence and failed duty of care.

Is it still worth tackling this from a me V UKPC perspective?
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: b789 on August 11, 2024, 07:08:30 pm
The company you worked for, do they own the land and was it them who contracted UKPC? We could do with understanding the contractual relationship between your employer and UKPC.

Please provide a new link each time you add something. I don't want to have to scroll back through the whole thread to find the original link.

The statement of truth is for a witness statement, not for a defence.

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I believe that the facts stated in this Defence Witness statement are true.

Create a header page that lists your exhibits.

I suggest you also add the two transcripts of the Chan and Akande appeal and reference them in your WS as a new paragraph #7 with the following:

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7. In the recent persuasive judgments of CEL v Chan [2023] [E7GM9W44] and CPM v Akande [2024] [K0DP5J30], the appeal courts overturned prior decisions due to the claimants' failure to comply with CPR 16.4. Specifically, in both cases, the particulars of claim did not adequately state a cause of action, rendering the original claims invalid. These rulings underscore the necessity for the claimant to meet the procedural requirements outlined in CPR 16.4, which mandates that a clear cause of action be articulated in the particulars. In the present case, the claimant similarly failed to specify a cause of action in the particulars of claim, warranting a dismissal of the claim in line with these persuasive authorities [ref exhibit #1 CEL v Chan] [ref exhibit #2 CPM v Akande].
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: fluffysocks36 on August 11, 2024, 05:07:40 pm

Throw something together and show us so that we can critique it and help you get it right.


I have put together what I think you suggested, but please let me know if I have gone wrong anywhere. They are labelled screenshots at the bottom of the dropbox link.


OP, you knew full well the restrictions on site, IMO the court is not going to attach any weight, or at least insufficient to get you off the hook, to such (IMO) minor issues. In fact if on the one hand and to make one argument you say you knew and then, to make a different argument, you claim you didn't then you might well upset the judge.

b789's tactic is to throw everything in, relevant and, shall we say, less relevant, in order to bluff DCB out of the game.

It has worked in the past, but IMO normally when played earlier in the game. It is not a silver bullet and indeed at least one poster has suggested that for the sums claimed here it wouldn't work anyway.

I'm still baffled by the relationship with your employer and the way you've let this slip. You know far more about this context than your docs could show.

The store manger's email seems unequivocal, so why haven't you gone back for the further help offered. By the way, this email doesn't mention Head Office.

We've no idea who 'Property' is.

Are you saying:
No breach because UKPC were supplied with your VRM which was or should have been included on an 'exempt list' pursuant to an agreement which your employer had with UKPC, and/or
Your employer guaranteed unconditionally to indemnify you against any parking charges

The July email is well after the fact, do you have any contemporaneous correspondence?

I did not know the restrictions on site, once I was made aware by my employer that I could park on the land, I did not question this or second guess it since I took that as approval. The PCNs being issued did cause concern to arise which is when I spoke to the manager to notify them of the situation to which they told me give them the PCN and they'd deal with it. I have a screenshot dated 11/07/2022 with a fine dated 30/06/2022 notifying my employer of the PCN and providing my VRN to ensure I was on the exemption list MANAGER SCREENSHOT DROPBOX LINK

If I was able to SAR UKPC (it is too late now since they won't respond prior to the hearing. I could've possible shown I was on the exemption list whether that was before or after the PCNs were issued highlighting my ability to park on the land as an employee. I don't know where it's gone wrong. Whether the manager at the time didn't deal with the PCNs properly, or notify UKPC is beyond me since I had no involvement other than handing in the PCNs as instructed.

I don't believe I was in breach of any contract since I was given explicit verbal permission I could park in the car park. Had the employer said I was not to park in the car park I would've sought alternative parking arrangements to avoid this massive problem I am now having.
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: H C Andersen on August 11, 2024, 04:42:54 pm
OP, you knew full well the restrictions on site, IMO the court is not going to attach any weight, or at least insufficient to get you off the hook, to such (IMO) minor issues. In fact if on the one hand and to make one argument you say you knew and then, to make a different argument, you claim you didn't then you might well upset the judge.

b789's tactic is to throw everything in, relevant and, shall we say, less relevant, in order to bluff DCB out of the game.

It has worked in the past, but IMO normally when played earlier in the game. It is not a silver bullet and indeed at least one poster has suggested that for the sums claimed here it wouldn't work anyway.

I'm still baffled by the relationship with your employer and the way you've let this slip. You know far more about this context than your docs could show.

The store manger's email seems unequivocal, so why haven't you gone back for the further help offered. By the way, this email doesn't mention Head Office.

We've no idea who 'Property' is.

Are you saying:
No breach because UKPC were supplied with your VRM which was or should have been included on an 'exempt list' pursuant to an agreement which your employer had with UKPC, and/or
Your employer guaranteed unconditionally to indemnify you against any parking charges

The July email is well after the fact, do you have any contemporaneous correspondence?
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: b789 on August 11, 2024, 03:50:29 pm
For your WS, you need to lay out all the points you will be addressing. In your case, you should start of with some preliminary matters regarding the failure of the claimant to fully particularise the claim in accordance with CPR 16.4.

Your WS is written in the first person and it is your version of events. You will be the only witness that was at the location at the time and so has some weight. You should explain that you have managed to put together some evidence that you had permission from your manager at the location to park for the duration of your shift. You will evidence the email from your manage, although it is weak and not very specific with regards to the actual contract in place between your employer or the landowner. Still, it is better than nothing.

As it is UKPC, you should mention that the signs are incapable of forming a contract as the charge is in minuscule font. Show the sign compared to the Beavis sign. That will show how deficient it is.

Here is an example of how the evidence should look in order to make your point:

(https://i.imgur.com/Zu6hLAW.png)

Throw something together and show us so that we can critique it and help you get it right.
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: fluffysocks36 on August 11, 2024, 01:35:53 pm
I have added the same exhibit I'm using in my original WS to the dropbox link labelled "email correspondence" and the email I received from properties stating they were unable to do anything labelled "properties correspondence". Ultimately, they advised me to write a letter to head office which I am yet to do.
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: H C Andersen on August 11, 2024, 01:07:48 pm
Where is this correspondence dated July 2024 which you say is an Exhibit in your WS?

Either they indemnified you or authorised you(upon which you acted in good faith) or you misunderstood.

However, upon them contacting UKPC, they've stated due to how far gone this is with legal involvement they are unable to do anything.

Pl post what you have. This doesn't smack of them paying, they could pay NOW if they wanted to.

Something isn't right with matters.
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: fluffysocks36 on August 11, 2024, 01:03:09 pm
[edit..given that you claim that you have an email from your employer dated July 2024 that you 'were entitled to park on the land.' Is your employer your defence i.e. here's an email which proves that employees were entitled to park and therefore no breaches occurred. The simplicity of this has rather been lost in the vast amounts of paperwork IMO]

In relation to what you've said here. I have retrospective permission given by my employer (the current manager of the store I worked at) stating staff is able to park there. Please see the email correspondence below. I have included this in my witness statement with the email correspondence as an exhibit but I don't know entirely whether that is sufficient.

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To whom this may concern,
 
I hope this email finds you well!
 
I had a query regarding parking at XXXXXXXXXXX Retail Park, XXXXXXXXXX. As an ex-employee between the dates 20/06/2022 and 03/07/2023. Was I permitted to park in the car park regulated by UK Parking Control Limited exceeding the maximum stay for customers? I was informed at the time of my employment by Dom that employees were permitted to park on the Land, however, wanted some clarification on this matter.
 
I look forward to hearing from you!
 
Kind regards,
 
XXXXX XXXXX

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Dear XXXXX

Yes all staff working for XXXXXXXXXXX retail park are permitted to park free of charge however long your shift may entail for that day/evening. If there is anything else I can help with in regards to this matter please don't hesitate to get in touch.

Kind regards XXXXXX XXXXXX
Store Manager
XXXXXXX
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: fluffysocks36 on August 11, 2024, 12:15:17 pm
OP, as I understand it:

You have admitted to being the driver at the relevant times;
You know that you were not allowed to park for more than 3 hours but did so none the less based upon your employer apparently indemnifying you from any claims.

So IMO the key issue is why, given that these matters occurred in 2022, have you not simply written to your employer at that time, or their successors, and asked them to pay?

Being booted and suited in court doesn't affect matters IMO. Nothing to date casts any doubt on their claim, simply the post-contract breach procedures. But the contract breaches seem clear and you were the driver.

I have tried on multiple occasions requesting my previous employer to deal with the matter at hand. However, upon them contacting UKPC, they've stated due to how far gone this is with legal involvement they are unable to do anything. If all else fails and I am required to pay of the supposed "debt" I plan on speaking to ACAS and considering taking the company to mediation to recover all financial burden I have had to cover as a result of the negligence of the management as well as them breaching the duty of care they owed me as an employee since this has caused unnecessary stress and financial costs.

What would your advice be to the above? I look forward to hearing from you :)
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: fluffysocks36 on August 11, 2024, 12:10:38 pm
You have not mentioned which court the hearing is at.

Hi sorry, not sure if you saw but I did mention in one of the posts above that the hearing is at County Court Birmingham.

Thank you for the information! I'll submit the defence and draft order to the court and to DCB in the hope the judge will actually review those documents! Are you able to advise on how to write the WS but still relate it to the points you raise in the defence/draft order as I'm still unsure of how to do this? Thanks!
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: H C Andersen on August 11, 2024, 10:45:20 am
OP, as I understand it:

You have admitted to being the driver at the relevant times;
You know that you were not allowed to park for more than 3 hours but did so none the less based upon your employer apparently indemnifying you from any claims.

So IMO the key issue is why, given that these matters occurred in 2022, have you not simply written to your employer at that time, or their successors, and asked them to pay? [edit..given that you claim that you have an email from your employer dated July 2024 that you 'were entitled to park on the land.' Is your employer your defence i.e. here's an email which proves that employees were entitled to park and therefore no breaches occurred. The simplicity of this has rather been lost in the vast amounts of paperwork IMO]

Being booted and suited in court doesn't affect matters IMO. Nothing to date casts any doubt on their claim, simply the post-contract breach procedures. But the contract breaches seem clear and you were the driver.
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: b789 on August 11, 2024, 12:31:21 am
Don’t contact the court by phone. They’ll just tell you to make an N244 application for a fee. You have all the information you need to submit. I have provided you with the transcripts and you can make the defence and draft order into PDFs.

UKPC will not be able to fully comply with that order. They will be exposed as they will not be able to explain the “damages” in their claim. They will not be able to provide a satisfactory detailed breakdown of the claim amounts and they will definitely not be able to provide a calculation of the interest that is accurate.

Submit the defence and attachments by email to the court where your hearing is scheduled and also info@dcblegal.co.uk and cc in yourself.

You have not mentioned which court the hearing is at.
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: fluffysocks36 on August 10, 2024, 07:17:25 pm
I understand. Might it be worth contacting the court via phone to see if I can resubmit my defence alongside a new witness statement since I have already submitted one?

Regarding UKPC/DBC issuing new PoC, would that not just mean once they've got the new PoC issued they'd still try to have a ruling in their favour with their witness statement I have uploaded in the dropbox link?

This bit you mention hear "“Bearing in mind the contents of the defence I would strongly suggest that the judge makes the attached order in support of which I also attach transcripts of two cases which support the proposition that the judge should make the order I suggest”." Would I be including that before or after the draft order and how exactly would I provide the court with the transcript?

I'm not entirely sure of how to prepare another witness statement with all the points you mention in the defence. I have no legal background and don't quite know how I'd make it work.

Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: b789 on August 10, 2024, 06:17:40 pm
As I said, I am not sure you do have an opportunity to submit a new defence. It is not clear from the information you have provided whether the judge ordered you to submit a new defence because the original defence was not a proper defence and was more aimed at the set aside.

You can try sending the documents as pdf attachments in an email to the court (and also to the claimants solicitor). Make sure that your claim number is in the email subject line. Ask in the email that the attached revised defence be added to your case as there is an obvious abuse of process in that the Particulars of Claim are in violation of CPR 16.4.

It may or may not work. I am just surprised that you are not aware of whether you were granted the right to resubmit your defence and a witness statement.

Start preparing a WS now, ready to submit by the 14th August. Start by explaining everything that is mentioned in the defence I have provided and all link each point to the points in the draft order. You can also add your explanation about being allowed to park there. However, I di not see any evidence to back that point up. It would have been worthwhile SARing UKPC because if you had previous PCNs cancelled, they would have had to provide those which you could have used to make your point.
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: fluffysocks36 on August 10, 2024, 06:00:53 pm
Once again, thank you for the information you've provided!

Are you able to advise how I might be able to go about submitting another draft order/defence? The case will be heard at The County Court in Birmingham.

I massively regret not coming here before I went ahead with sending documents off to the courts and to the claimant. I was only made aware of this today by a friend :(

Is there any chance you have a PDF copy/Word document of what you've suggested I submit? I still have time before the 14-day period is over. But I'm unsure of how to submit the new defence :-\
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: b789 on August 10, 2024, 05:46:32 pm
You would need to also attach to the above the following two transcripts and the following note:

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“Bearing in mind the contents of the defence I would strongly suggest that the judge makes the attached order in support of which I also attach transcripts of two cases which support the proposition that the judge should make the order I suggest”.

CPM v Akande transcript (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y631olc61z1slr6xfrdsk/CPM-v-AKANDE.pdf?rlkey=kltpojedcxiwarxr0sdfyjo05&dl=0)

CEL v Chan transcript (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/xy54utt9djv55xitfp7lk/CEL-appeal-transcript.pdf?rlkey=304syf9czf5arl3i1u1ircjln&dl=0)

I hope it is not too late for this all to be actioned. You have not gone about this properly and it is unlikely that UKPC/DCB Legal will discontinue for such a large sum. Hopefully the judge will get to read the resubmitted defence, which is that it is impossible to defend based on the woefully inadequate PoC and orders the claimant to submit further particulars that fully comply with CPR 16.4. My worry is that the original judge did not see fit to do so based on the PoC that lacked any cause of action which means that the were either not really interested or were not aware of the Chan and Akande persuasive cases. It is shocking that a judge should allow such a brazen abuse of process to go without sanction.

Which court is this going to be heard in
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: b789 on August 10, 2024, 05:37:02 pm
What a pity you didn't come here before any of this was challenged. The PoC of the claim are in breach of CPR 16.4 and this should have been struck out at allocation stage. You have submitted a defence to a claim that has no defined cause of action.

Was there no an order issued after the set aside that instructed was you had to do and by when? Have you been given the right to submit a new defence? They one submitted was not a proper defence and was more in response to the set aside order.

If you are allowed to resubmit your defence I strongly suggest you submit the following and attach the draft order:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT

Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

[Claimant's Full Name]
Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]
Defendant



DEFENCE


1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim and the Claimant is put to strict proof otherwise.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.5;

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c ) The PoC do not set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has
breached the contract (or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC states that the Claimant is suing the defendant as the driver or the keeper. The claimant obviously knows whether the defendant is being sued as the driver or the keeper and should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action.

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which he/she/it faces and can then respond properly to the claim.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:

Date:


You should attach the following as a draft order for the judge to use:

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Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of claim and the defence

AND the court being of the view that there is a lack of precise detail in the particulars of claim in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the defendant such that the particulars of claim do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a)

It is Ordered that:

1. Unless the Claimant do, within 14 days of service of this order, file at court a further
particulars of claim which complies with CPR 16.4(1)(a) and which sets out:

(i) the precise and concise factual allegations it makes against the Defendant and

(ii) the factual or legal [or both] basis of its claim and

(iii) exactly how its claim is calculated (if there is a claim for a fixed sum)

then the claim shall be struck out.[/indent]

2. For the avoidance of doubt the further particulars of claim must:

(a) refer to and have attached to them (clearly marked "A") a copy of the contract (or contracts) between the claimant and defendant relied on

(b) set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is (or are) relied on.

(c ) have attached to them (clearly marked "B") a copy of each of the PCNs which forms the basis of this claim.

(d) must state by what method each of the PCNs was first brought to the attention of the defendant. For example, attaching it to the defendant's vehicle.

(e) in respect of each alleged breach of contract, set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract.

(f) in respect of each alleged breach of contract, set out (i) the full postal address of where the breach took place and (ii) the precise date and time of the alleged breach and (iii) exactly how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was incurred.

(g) in  respect of each alleged breach of contract, must state whether the defendant is sued as the driver of the vehicle or the keeper of the vehicle

(h) not plead that the defendant is sued in the alternative as the driver of the vehicle or as the keeper of the vehicle.

(i) state what amount of the claim is the claim for non-payment of the PCN and what amount of the claim is the claim for damages.

(j) must explain the factual or legal (or both) basis of the claim for damages.

(k) set out a precise calculation of the claim for statutory interest up to the date of issue to include the date interest started running.

3. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay this order by an application on notice which must be filed at this Court no more than 5 days after service of thisorder, failing which no such application may be made.
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: fluffysocks36 on August 10, 2024, 04:50:38 pm
Hi, thank you for this information! This has made me feel a little relieved with what's going on!

I have composed a dropbox link of the PoCs, DCBs Draft Order, my Defence Statement, my Witness Statement and the DCBs Witness Statement. I really hope there is sufficient information within these files for you to help me! Once again, thank you!

Dropbox link: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/s24zd5kpf9c4lglqisro8/AMcfevtCnXQzNzqOvFSpRFA?rlkey=kk0nhnh6yk9rsc5mbfl120eyf&st=e7yemq8b&dl=0
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: b789 on August 10, 2024, 03:38:13 pm
You need to show us exactly what you put in your defence and also the PoC of the original claim.

Did the judge not make any order as to costs?

Ignore the claimant requesting that your defence be thrown out. That is just bluster.

Read this thread for details on how to host or show the necessary documents. Or get a free DropBox account and host the files there. Just remember to suitably redact them of personal details before you do so.

READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: fluffysocks36 on August 10, 2024, 03:29:28 pm
Hi, apologies for the confusion! I have not filed a counterclaim. What I was meant to have said was the DCB legal representative has stated “It is my respectful submission that the Defence is entirely without merit and as such it is requested that the Defence is struck out and Judgment awarded in favour of my Company, payable forthwith.”

Correct! The CCJ was set aside pursuant to CPR13.2

I filed a defence statement prior to the hearing to set aside the CCJ. I acted as a litigant in person where the Judge at the time suggested I complete, file and serve my witness statement 14 days prior to the Small Claims Track hearing. I misunderstood this and so submitted my witness statement well before the 14 day period.

I was able to obtain the Particulars from the CNBC once I became aware of the court proceedings only after randomly checking my credit score. This is where it became evident that something wasn’t quite right.

I’ve tried to upload a copy of the General Form or Judgment or Order but have been unable to do so. The contents were as follows:

UPON hearing the Defendant in Person.
AND UPON the Court considering the letter from the Claimant dated 24/05/24.
AND UPON the Defendant having confirmed that a defence has already been filled and send with further copy handed into the Court at this hearing.
IT IS ORDERED THAT
1. The Judgment entered on 30/05/24 is hereby set Aside.
2. The registration of the Judgment is cancelled.
3. The Claim is allocated to the Small Claim track.
4. The Claim is listed for trial on the first available date after 56 days, time estimate 1 hour, in person.
5. 14 days prior to the trial, the parties are to file and serve any witness statements, and evidence they seek to rely UPON.

My witness statement was filed and served on 10/07/2024.
Title: Re: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: b789 on August 10, 2024, 02:59:06 pm

But I’m unsure of what to do moving forward as the Claimant requests the court strike out my claim as it has no merit and essentially the Judge rules in their favour.

The above bit makes no sense. Did you file a counterclaim at any point?

From what you've told us, there was a CCJ on your record and you managed to get it set aside under CPR 13.2 as the claim was never served to an address you reside at. The judge agreed that the original claim stands and you are required to submit a witness statement no later than 14 days before the hearing.

I'm assuming that DCB Legal are the solicitors for the claimant.

You made the unfortunate error of submitting your original WS too early and gave the claimant time to undermine you. If the hearing is set of the 28th August, your WS must be submitted no later than the 14th August. Who has been advising you on this process up to now?

Do you have a copy of the original Particulars of Claim (PoC) that led to the default CCJ? Do you have a copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) that led to the claim. Only the first PCN is needed, if you have it. No reminders or final reminders.

When you set aside the CCJ, did you submit a draft defence to the claim? Have you submitted any defence at any stage? Please show us the judgment from the set aside so we can determine exactly who has to do what by when.

Title: Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC
Post by: fluffysocks36 on August 10, 2024, 02:37:44 pm
Advice for a Small Claims Track hearing with UKPC


I’m based in England, I have an upcoming hearing in County Court (Small Claims Track). As a Defendant, I submitted my initial Witness Statement well before the 14 day period allowed by the courts. I received an email yesterday from the Claimant’s representative with their witness statement.
 

I feel as if the Claimant has used my witness statement to formulate theirs which fails to acknowledge a lot of the points I raised in my own defence.


To provide some context. I was an employee at a company. At the start of my employment management made me aware as an employee on the Land I was permitted to park in the car park regulated by UKPC. I was made aware I would receive PCNs, however, to notify management and they’d be dealt with. I did as instructed, informed management and gave them the letters I’d received through the post from UKPC requesting I pay off the fines. I moved student residences in that time and I stopped receiving further correspondence. I assumed they had been dealt with. A year or so letter I check my credit score out of curiosity and come to the realisation a CCJ had been filed in my name. I was able to dispute the CCJ using the N244 form. At the initial hearing the Judge cancelled the registration of the judgement. Since, the claim has been moved to Small Claims Track.


The court hearing on the 28th of August is for the money I supposedly owe as the PCNs were never appealed by my employer. They’re using the narrative that the signage clearly demonstrates I entered a contract with the Claimant whereby I agreed to meet the terms and conditions of “Parking for customers only” and “3 hour maximum stay”.


My employee in this matter was negligent and lacked duty of care with regard to resolving the issue as they said they would. But I’m unsure of what to do moving forward as the Claimant requests the court strike out my claim as it has no merit and essentially the Judge rules in their favour. Despite the fact I’m not making up the idea of employees being permitted to park in the car park. Even the contract between the Claimant and Landowner states The client: “agree to update and maintain an exemption list of vehicle registrations and bring this to the attention of UKPC in a timely manner prior to the Parking Charge being issued. The Restrictions will apply to all motor vehicles including those on the exemption list”.


Any advice would be appreciated :)