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Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: H C Andersen on March 18, 2025, 03:00:35 pm
So, a simple win on the basis that the claimant hadn't proved their claim when compared with the assertion underpinning the defendant's case: I can prove I paid.

OP, sadly I fear that this will not prove to be a salutary experience for the claimant who'll probably continue with their General Melchett philosophy:

'If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.'

Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on March 16, 2025, 11:37:13 am
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I'm disappointed that she thought the your WS was a copy and paste
The OP can correct me if I'm wrong, but my reading of this is that she probably (a) knew the OP had not written the WS himself, and (b) knew he had not engaged a lawyer, and put those together To conclude it had been copied and pasted from somewhere.

Yeah, that is probably my understanding of it. I can't remember her name either. It wasn't a harsh criticism from her either, just a general observation that it was fairly generic. Obviously though, it's better than anything a regular person could write up so I'm not complaining!

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: Abu246 on March 14, 2025, 10:49:25 am
I am due to go to court in 2 weeks in a similar case, were you able to claim any costs back after winning?
Thanks
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on March 14, 2025, 12:44:28 am
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I'm disappointed that she thought the your WS was a copy and paste
The OP can correct me if I'm wrong, but my reading of this is that she probably (a) knew the OP had not written the WS himself, and (b) knew he had not engaged a lawyer, and put those together To conclude it had been copied and pasted from somewhere.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on March 14, 2025, 12:26:45 am
A win is a win. Thanks for letting us know the outcome. Do you remember the judges name?

I'm disappointed that she thought the your WS was a copy and paste... it wasn't. It doesn't;t matter if you did not write or compose it but only that you agreed it was a true statement that you were prepared to sign.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on March 13, 2025, 10:59:44 pm
Thanks guys. In the end I just took my evidence (bank statement) and this was enough as I won.

Anyway, here's what happened for those interested.

The judge said that the witness statement given was fairly copy + paste and some of it was not relevant (basically she knew I hadn't written it and it wasn't done by a lawyer). I am not blaming you guys as it was better than anything I could have came up with. However, she didn't go into any further details.

However, it was pretty evident that she slammed their statement much harder and said it was confusing and 'strange'. In other words, she wasn't really disappointed with mine but was with theirs.

In fact, it's almost like the lawyer didn't really understand the assignment either. In the end, they tried claiming I'd entered the wrong reg but had no proof. Not only this but because I'd used the car park before and after on other dates, she could see I was not doing anything malicious even if I did enter in the wrong registration.

Overall it was a pretty big waste of time all things considered but I'm glad I won and wanted to say thanks for helping me through the entire process.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on March 11, 2025, 11:48:30 pm
Make yourself a crib sheet to cover all the points you need to make. Make a note to ask for your costs if you are successful. You can claim up to £95 for lost earnings and transport and parking costs.

Know your defence and Witness Statement.

Arrive early in order to go through any security measures they have in place. You can let the usher know you are there. The claimants representative may try to befriend you and play mind games. DO not let them. Tell them politely that you are not prepared to discuss anything unless it is in front of the judge.

Remember, the claimants advocate will know very little about the claim and will only have been given the bundle the night before or even only a few hours earlier. You are at an advantage.

Here is a short video to show you what to expect. As @DWMB2 states, it is not the Old Bailey with wigs and robes:

When a County Court Hearing Takes Place in a Judge’s Chambers (https://youtu.be/n93eoaxhzpU?feature=shared)

Good luck for tomorrow and please let us know the outcome, either way. It is good if you can remember the judges name (for your court report to us). You call the judge "Judge", not "your honour" or "m'lud".
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on March 11, 2025, 10:52:38 pm
Take copies of your defence, WS and exhibits with you. Ideally one for you, one for the judge, and one for the claimant's representative (they should both have them already, but reduces the chance of any shenanigans if not).

It can feel daunting the first time but the thing to remember is, you're not on trial at the Old Bailey, and you know the details of your case better than either of the other two parties - the claimant's representative has likely barely had time to read the details of the case before turning up to represent them. Be polite and speak in plain English.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on March 11, 2025, 10:40:01 pm
On what date did they pay the hearing fee? If it was after 4pm on the deadline date, the claim was struck out.

I am going to court tomorrow. I phoned and apparently so are they. Do you have any tips/advice for court and/or do I need to bring any specific documents or anything with me?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 28, 2025, 07:36:12 pm
I have no idea, all they told me on the phone was that the hearing is happening as scheduled as it was paid for, so thats what im going with.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 28, 2025, 02:42:49 pm
On what date did they pay the hearing fee? If it was after 4pm on the deadline date, the claim was struck out.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 28, 2025, 02:26:16 pm
Phoned the court - Hearing Fee has been paid

I have submitted the witness statement with my bank statement which proves I paid.

Bank statement shows:

Payment to ECP on the disputed date - £1.50



Do I need to take any paperwork to the court or is everything already done since I sent it?


Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on February 25, 2025, 11:37:36 am
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I'm assuming I don't need to email this witness statement to the court as well?

Point 6 of one of the letters you received explains that you do need to send it to the court:
(https://i.imgur.com/hbbX7CP.png)
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 25, 2025, 11:22:24 am
You absolutely do have to send it to the court. You are only copying in DCB Legal. Send a single email addressed to enquiries.birmingham.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself.

You should try calling the court again to check if the hearing fee was paid and whether the hearing on 12th March has been vacated. There is also an email address for "Listings" at the court you could try to find out if the hearing has been vacated: hearings.birmingham.countycourt@justice.gov.uk
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 25, 2025, 10:09:45 am
I have now finished my witness statement.

Afaik I should be sending to DCB legal and CCing myself in.

I'm assuming I don't need to email this witness statement to the court as well?
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on February 24, 2025, 08:06:12 pm
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Don't send it until the deadline and as close to 4pm as you dare.
But do give yourself enough time to deal with any last minute technical issues.

Also, it shouldn't be an issue here as you aren't submitting many exhibits, but check your attachments aren't enormous file sizes.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 24, 2025, 06:55:54 pm
Never mind. I have just gone through the thread and I see that they did send a WS and I prepared a WS for you to approve. As mentioned, there will be two exhibits to attach. You should refer to the exhibits in the WS, sequentially and call them XX01 and XX02, where "XX" is your initials.

Attach each of the exhibits with a header:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

[Claimant]

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



EXHIBIT XX01
Here is a link to the transcript of VCS v Edward that is one of your exhibits:

VCS v Edward (2023) [HOKF6C9C] (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zra61px7l3if53o3bp9c4/VCS-v-EDWARD-Transcript.pdf?rlkey=bv4bba389nau5qpfglqkpjq5l&st=9psck16v&dl=0)

Don't send it until the deadline and as close to 4pm as you dare.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 24, 2025, 06:45:36 pm
To save me scrolling back through the thread, have you received a WS from the claimant?

There really is no point in wasting time on a WS if the claimant has either failed to pay the hearing fee or have discontinued and failed to notified you.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 24, 2025, 06:29:56 pm
Did you mark your email as "urgent", preferably in all caps and with a couple of asterisk either side of the word urgent?

**URGENT**

yes
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 24, 2025, 06:27:52 pm
Did you mark your email as "urgent", preferably in all caps and with a couple of asterisk either side of the word urgent?

**URGENT**
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 24, 2025, 06:00:14 pm
So, send an email with the following, if you have not yet done so to: enquiries.birmingham.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and CC yourself:

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Subject: Urgent: Request for Confirmation of Claim Status – Claim Ref: [Insert Claim Reference Number]

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to urgently request clarification regarding the status of the claim referenced above.

According to the court order, unless the claimant paid the trial fee of £27.00 by 4:00 pm on 21 February 2025, the claim was ordered struck out with effect from that date. Given that the deadline has passed and the file has not been updated since 5 February 2025, please confirm whether the claim has been struck out for non-payment of the hearing fee and if the hearing has been vacated accordingly.

I would appreciate your prompt response to this urgent inquiry.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name] 
[Your Contact Information]


Ty, ive sent that, however the response is:

"unless the Court considers your query to be of an urgent nature, we will aim to respond to your e-mail routinely within ten working days. Please do not file documents via multiple methods e.g. by Fax and DX."


My options now are send the witness statement out of precaution, or I can physically go to the court myself and ask them there, this would be hugely inconvenient but im willing to do it for a straight answer from them.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 24, 2025, 02:04:20 pm
So, send an email with the following, if you have not yet done so to: enquiries.birmingham.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and CC yourself:

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Subject: Urgent: Request for Confirmation of Claim Status – Claim Ref: [Insert Claim Reference Number]

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to urgently request clarification regarding the status of the claim referenced above.

According to the court order, unless the claimant paid the trial fee of £27.00 by 4:00 pm on 21 February 2025, the claim was ordered struck out with effect from that date. Given that the deadline has passed and the file has not been updated since 5 February 2025, please confirm whether the claim has been struck out for non-payment of the hearing fee and if the hearing has been vacated accordingly.

I would appreciate your prompt response to this urgent inquiry.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name] 
[Your Contact Information]
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 24, 2025, 12:02:40 pm
 hearing on 12th March 2025 at 11:00.


This is the hearing date ^^


I called the court because I was advised to do it on Feb 24th by someone on the forum.



If I call a court I expect the person on the phone to tell me yes or no since I would have thought this was a very basic question compared to most queries, but got told maybe.

I was told on the phone to email enquiries.birmingham.countycourt@justice.gov.uk

Subject:  URGENT (Case number)

and ask the same question as before.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 24, 2025, 10:44:28 am
Please provide clear information when you request assistance, otherwise you are expecting us to trawl back through your thread which is time consuming.

What is the hearing date? Why did you redact that? You have a deadline of 14 days before the hearing date (which we don't know what that is!!!) to submit your WS.

What was the email address the "lady" gave you and what did she tell you to email to that address???

If the deadline for hearing payment was 21st February and they haven't made that payment, then the case is struck out. Just read the order:

(https://i.imgur.com/q6aA1Mb.png)

If they have not paid the fee, then you can claim your costs.

Please answer the questions above!
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 24, 2025, 10:19:40 am
UPDATE:

I phoned the court just now and they said there is no update on the file, the payment for court was due on Feb 21 and the case hasn't been updated since Feb 05

However, I asked if the discontinuation thing had been filed and the lady didn't know.

She gave me an email and told me to email it and mark the case as urgent asking these details - this advice didn't fill me with hope.

Should I file the witness statement response given here, take the womans advice, or both?

Sorry for the inconvenience at this point guys.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: H C Andersen on February 22, 2025, 11:06:59 am
+1.

Their claim is based wholly upon payment not being made in the prescribed manner;
Here's my bank statement which shows a payment of £** on the day in question. This equates to X hours' parking at the prevailing rate;
Exhibit 6 purports ........
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on February 22, 2025, 08:20:02 am
Thanks b789 - comprehensive as always. I should get chance to have a proper look at this on Sunday night.

Initial thoughts from a quick glance:

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There is only one evidential item to exhibit
Paragraph 51 of the WS refers to another exhibit (a transcript of VCS v Edward), so potentially 2 exhibits.

Also, re. the bank statement, I may have missed this in my quick skim but couldn't see it referred to in the WS. This seems like it's worth introducing early in the WS, as it's the most fundamental factor that undermines their case (the allegation is that no payment is made, and this shows there was payment made).
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 22, 2025, 03:05:08 am
OP, what is your deadline for submitting your WS? I suggest it is not submitted until very near the deadline. It has to be submitted to your local court and should be done by email, preferably. If sending by email, it cannot be more than 25 double sided A4 pages (50 single sides) and should be 25Mb or less.

You will also need to address the email to DCB Legal and CC in yourself.

Which court is the hearing scheduled to be heard at?

There is only one evidential item to exhibit... the bank statement that shows the payment made on 03/06/2021 and should be marked as XX01. Just change the "XX" to your initials. Also edit the reference to is in the WS at paragraph 51.

OK... here is my final draft suggestion for the WS. Comments and suggestions welcomed.

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Euro Car Parks Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



WITNESS STATEMENT

1. I, [Defendant’s Full Name], am the Defendant in this claim and make this statement in support of my defence. The facts in this statement are true to the best of my knowledge and belief.

Preliminary Matter

2. I submit that the Claimant’s Particulars of Claim were inadequately pleaded from the outset and failed to comply with CPR 16.4 and Practice Direction 16, paragraph 7.5.

3. The Claimant had an obligation to properly particularise its claim at the time of issuing proceedings but failed to:

(a) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) relied upon.
(b) Adequately explain how the terms of the alleged contract were incorporated or why the Defendant is said to be in breach.
(c) Clearly distinguish whether the claim is brought against the Defendant as the driver or the keeper.

4. The Claimant's Witness Statement now seeks to introduce details that were absent from the original claim. However, this does not cure the fact that the claim, as pleaded, was defective and non-compliant with CPR 16.4.

5. The court should not accept the Claimant’s attempt to roll back its liability for failing to plead the claim properly in the first instance. The court should not accept the Claimant’s attempt to roll back its liability for failing to plead the claim properly in the first instance. A Witness Statement cannot replace properly pleaded Particulars of Claim and does not remedy the Claimant’s failure to comply with the CPR.

6. The Claimant, represented by bulk litigation solicitors, is a serial litigant and should be fully aware of its obligations under the CPR. Its failure to comply with basic procedural requirements is unreasonable and amounts to an abuse of process.

7. The Particulars of Claim do not comply with CPR 16.4 because:

(a) They do not set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon.
(b) They do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the Claimant asserts that the Defendant was in breach of contract.
(c) They fail to state what proportion of the claim is the original parking charge and what proportion is alleged damages or additional costs.
(d) They do not explain how the claim for statutory interest is calculated or from what date it is said to have accrued.

8. Even in its Witness Statement, the Claimant fails to correct these deficiencies. Despite having an opportunity to clarify its position, it provides no breakdown of its claim or explanation for additional charges beyond the original parking fee.

9. The Civil Procedure Rules exist to ensure that claims are properly pleaded so that the overriding objective is achieved. The Claimant, however, is renowned for abusing the court process, filing large volumes of vexatious claims with little regard for compliance with the CPR.

10. The Claimant should have complied with CPR 16.4 from the outset; its late Witness Statement does not excuse this failure. The Claimant’s approach to litigation is unfair, unreasonable, and an abuse of process.

11. There are also procedural irregularities with the Claimant’s Witness Statement, which has been made by Sarah Jennifer Helena Ensall, an employee of DCB Legal Limited, rather than by the Claimant or an authorised representative of the Claimant.

12. Ms. Ensall does not state that she is a solicitor or that she is acting under a solicitor’s instruction. Her title, 'Head of Bulk Litigation,' is not a legal qualification and does not confer authority to act on the Claimant’s behalf without explicit evidence of authorisation.

13. In her Witness Statement, Ms. Ensall states:

(a) "I am duly authorised to make this statement on the Claimant’s behalf."

(b) However, she provides no evidence of such authorisation, nor does the Claimant itself confirm that she is acting under its instructions.

14. The Civil Procedure Rules require that a witness statement must be based on personal knowledge unless it is made as hearsay evidence under CPR 32.2(1). Ms. Ensall does not have first-hand knowledge of the alleged parking event, the signage, or the contractual arrangements between the Claimant and the landowner.

15. Her statement relies on second-hand information and is therefore hearsay, which the court may give little or no weight to. If the Claimant intended to rely on evidence, it should have been provided by an individual with direct involvement, such as an employee of the Claimant or a representative of the landowner.

16. The Claimant’s failure to produce a proper witness statement from a relevant party further undermines the credibility of its case. The use of a bulk litigation employee to present evidence raises concerns about the accuracy and reliability of the statements made, particularly where they concern matters of fact rather than legal argument.

17. Given these fundamental procedural issues, I respectfully invite the Court to strike out the claim in its entirety. In the alternative, if the claim is not struck out, I submit that the Witness Statement of Sarah Jennifer Helena Ensall should be disregarded or given little to no weight, as it is largely hearsay and lacks first-hand knowledge of the material facts. While she states that she is "duly authorised to make this statement on the Claimant’s behalf," no evidence has been provided to demonstrate the basis or scope of this authorisation. It is unclear whether she has specific authorisation for this claim or is relying on a general contractual arrangement between her employer and the Claimant.

Further rebuttal of the claimants Witness Statement

18. At the time of filing my Defence, I was unable to respond substantively to the Claimant’s allegations due to the inadequacy of the Particulars of Claim. The claim was so poorly pleaded that it did not contain sufficient details for me to understand the precise basis of the claim, the contractual terms relied upon, or how the alleged breach was said to have occurred.

19. The Claimant has now provided further details in their Witness Statement, including evidence that was not disclosed at the time of filing the claim. Having now had the opportunity to review this material, I am able to address and rebut specific points raised.

20. The passage of time—nearly four years since the alleged contravention—means that I would not have been able to recall the precise details of the event without first seeing the evidence on which the Claimant relies. Now that the Claimant has provided their version of events, I am in a position to comment on and challenge their assertions where necessary.

21. I maintain that the Claimant’s failure to properly plead their case from the outset was unreasonable, and I do not accept that they should be permitted to retrospectively cure these defects by introducing new material at the witness statement stage. However, for the avoidance of doubt, I will now respond to the substantive points raised in the Claimant’s Witness Statement.

Systematic Misrepresentation of PCN Issue Dates

22. A Parking Charge Notice (PCN) cannot be issued twice—it is either issued on the date it is created or not at all. However, the Claimant falsely asserts in paragraph 7 of their Witness Statement that the PCN was "issued" on 03/06/2021, which is factually impossible.

23. The process of obtaining registered keeper details from the DVLA is not instantaneous. The Claimant must first process the ANPR data, prepare the request, and submit it to the DVLA, which then responds with the keeper’s details. This process typically takes at least 24 hours, and often longer, depending on weekends, bank holidays, and processing times.

24. This sequence of events makes it physically impossible for the PCN to have been issued on 03/06/2021, as the Claimant would not have known who the registered keeper was at that time. The earliest possible issue date would have been at least the following day, if not later.

25. The only scenario in which a PCN could be "issued" on the same date as the alleged contravention is if it was a Notice to Driver (NtD) affixed to the vehicle’s windscreen by a parking attendant. That did not happen in this case, and the Claimant does not suggest otherwise. The Claimant’s enforcement method—ANPR cameras—precludes the possibility of same-day issuance.

26. Despite this, paragraph 7 of the Claimant’s Witness Statement falsely repeats the misleading assertion that the PCN was "issued" on 03/06/2021. This is demonstrably untrue, as the Claimant’s own Notice to Keeper (NtK), provided in their evidence, confirms it was actually issued on 08/06/2021.

27. The Claimant’s legal representatives at DCB Legal must be fully aware of this fact, yet they continue to misstate the issue date in every claim they file. Given that the signatory of the Statement of Truth on the claim and the Witness Statement, Sarah Ensall, is also Head of Bulk Litigation at DCB Legal, she cannot claim ignorance of this issue.

28. The repeated use of incorrect issue dates in both the Particulars of Claim and the Witness Statement is misleading, creates procedural uncertainty, and undermines the credibility of the Claimant’s case. The court is invited to take particular note of this misrepresentation, as it is not an isolated error but a pattern of conduct across multiple cases issued by DCB Legal.

Non-Official Copy of the Land Registry Title

29. In paragraph 8 of the Claimant’s Witness Statement, the Claimant asserts that it was the landowner at the time of the alleged contravention and relies on Exhibit 1, a copy of the Land Registry title, to support this claim. However, the document itself explicitly states:

“This copy is not an 'Official Copy' of the register. An official copy of the register is admissible in evidence in a court to the same extent as the original.”

30. The Claimant has therefore failed to provide the highest evidential standard of proof of ownership. The authenticity of this document is open to challenge under CPR 32.19, and the Claimant should be required to produce an Official Copy of the Land Registry title, which can be obtained from HM Land Registry for a nominal fee.

31. Additionally, the document was last updated on 29 June 2018, meaning it does not confirm that the Claimant was still the landowner at the time of the alleged contravention in 2021. The Claimant has not provided a more recent update or a full transfer history of the land to bridge this gap in time.

32. The Land Registry document in Exhibit 1 states that the land is subject to rights reserved by a Transfer dated 13 January 2009, involving Ing (UK) Listed Real Estate Nominee (No. 1) Limited, Ing (UK) Listed Real Estate Nominee (No. 2) Limited, and Euro Car Parks (Management) Limited.

33. The Claimant has not disclosed the full details of these reserved rights, which may include restrictions or conditions on their authority to enforce parking charges. If the previous landowner imposed any contractual or statutory limitations, the Claimant must provide full disclosure of the transfer agreement to demonstrate that no such limitations exist.

34. Without evidence that these reserved rights do not interfere with the Claimant’s parking enforcement, the Claimant has not fully established its standing to bring this claim.

35. The Claimant has provided a redacted version of the Land Registry document in Exhibit 1, with the stated justification that the redactions were necessary to protect "privileged information between them and their Client," as stated in paragraph 8 of their Witness Statement.

36. This justification is misleading because Land Registry documents are publicly available for a small fee. Any member of the public can obtain an unredacted Official Copy. There is no legal or procedural basis for the Claimant to withhold any portion of this document, particularly as it is being relied upon in litigation.

37. Furthermore, the Claimant has asserted in paragraph 8 of their Witness Statement that they are the landowner. If this is true, then who is the “Client” they are referring to? The Claimant has not explained the involvement of any third party. If the Claimant is merely acting on behalf of another entity, they must provide full disclosure of the contractual arrangement that confers enforcement rights upon them.

38. The Claimant’s use of redactions, provision of an incomplete document, and contradictory statements about their authority create uncertainty as to whether they have the necessary standing to enforce this charge. The court is invited to require the Claimant to produce an unredacted, Official Copy of the Land Registry title, as well as any agreements that grant them enforcement rights.

No contract could be formed with the driver

39. In paragraph 9 of the Claimant’s Witness Statement, the Claimant states that they were prominently displaying signs that formed the basis of the contract. However, none of the evidential photos provided by the Claimant show any sign that contains the terms they claim were in effect. The Claimant has failed to provide any photograph of a sign that states "24 HOUR PAY & DISPLAY" or "UP TO 3 HOURS £1.50."

40. The Claimant has also not provided any signage that clearly states the £100 parking charge for breaching the terms. In a contractual claim, the alleged contractual terms must be clearly displayed and accessible to the driver at the time of parking. The absence of any such evidence raises serious doubts about whether the alleged contractual terms were ever sufficiently brought to the driver’s attention.

41. Out of the five photos provided as “evidence,” three simply show a payment machine, all of which are dated after the alleged contravention. The other two images show an entrance sign, which does not contain any terms at all, but instead states, "Terms & Conditions apply. See signage in car park for full details."

42. In paragraph 12 of the Claimant’s Witness Statement, the Claimant asserts that "The Contract provides that a Charge is payable by the driver upon breach, with payment falling due within 28 days." However, nowhere in the signage exhibited by the Claimant does this term appear. If this was a genuine term of the alleged contract, it must have been clearly displayed to the driver before they parked, yet the Claimant has failed to evidence this.

43. Furthermore, the wording on the signage shown is minuscule and barely readable, raising serious concerns about whether the terms were adequately communicated to motorists. Under contract law, for terms to be enforceable, they must be clearly brought to the attention of the party before agreement is formed.

44. Given the lack of any evidence that the alleged terms were displayed at the material time, the Defendant submits that the Claimant has failed to establish that a contract was ever formed between the driver and the Claimant. Accordingly, this claim has no contractual basis and must fail.

Failure of the Claimant to comply with PoFA 2012. No keeper liability

45. The failure in PoFA compliance is that the Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not invite me, as the keeper, to pay the charge, as required under Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). Instead, the NtK merely states that the driver is liable and instructs me to either pass the notice to the driver or provide the driver’s details.
PoFA is unequivocal in its requirements. Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) states that the notice must:

46. "State that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—
(i) to pay the unpaid parking charges; or
(ii) if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver."

47. This requirement is explicit, and the invitation to pay is a specific statutory obligation, not an implied one. The NtK issued by the Claimant fails to meet this requirement because it does not invite me, as the keeper, to pay the charge. Instead, it merely states that the driver is required to pay the charge and that if I was not the driver, I should provide the driver's details.

48. The law’s intention is to ensure that the keeper’s responsibilities are clear and unambiguous. The requirement for an explicit invitation to pay ensures that I, as the keeper, am given a direct choice between paying the charge and identifying the driver. The Claimant’s NtK does not contain any such invitation, meaning that it does not comply with the statutory wording requirements of PoFA.

49. The Claimant may attempt to argue that an invitation to pay is implied because the notice is addressed to me. However, this does not satisfy the strict wording requirements of PoFA. The law does not allow for implied obligations in this context; it requires full and precise compliance.  By failing to provide the necessary invitation to pay, the Claimant has not met the statutory conditions required to hold me liable as the keeper.

50. Since compliance with PoFA is mandatory for the transfer of liability from the driver to the keeper, the Claimant’s failure to meet this requirement means that they cannot lawfully pursue me as the keeper. This fundamental statutory failure renders their claim against me baseless in law.
The Claimant appears to suggest that because I have not identified the driver, it is reasonable to infer that I was the driver. However, there is no legal obligation upon the keeper to identify the driver. The Claimant must prove its case on the balance of probabilities and cannot simply rely on an absence of information to shift the burden onto me.

51. If the Claimant cannot rely on PoFA to establish keeper liability, then it cannot automatically infer that the keeper was also the driver. This position is well supported by persuasive appellate case law, including VCS v Edward (2023) [H0KF6C9C], in which HHJ Gargan confirmed that the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 was enacted precisely because liability could not otherwise be established against the keeper. In paragraph 35 of the judgment, HHJ Gargan explicitly rejected the notion that the court should impose a duty on the keeper to identify the driver, holding that there is no presumption in law that the registered keeper was the driver. The full transcript of this decision is provided as Exhibit XX01.

52. The Claimant cannot sidestep its evidential burden by making unsupported assertions or seeking to imply legal obligations that do not exist. The fact remains that the burden of proof is entirely on the Claimant, and in the absence of PoFA compliance, they have failed to establish any lawful basis to pursue me as the keeper.

Rebuttal to Paragraphs 21 and 22 of the Claimant’s Witness Statement

53. In paragraph 21 of the Claimant's Witness Statement, the Claimant asserts that I have filed a "widely available templated Defence" rather than addressing substantive issues, implying that my Defence is disingenuous and a waste of the Court’s time. I respectfully submit that this assertion is both incorrect and misleading.

54. The Claimant has provided no evidence to support the claim that my Defence is "widely available," nor have they explained how they came to this conclusion. This statement is therefore speculative and should be treated as such. Given that this Witness Statement is signed under a Statement of Truth, it is inappropriate for the Claimant’s witness to make such an assertion without any supporting evidence. The Claimant cannot simply dismiss my Defence as "templated" in an attempt to undermine its validity while failing to acknowledge the numerous deficiencies in their own Particulars of Claim and evidence.

55. My Defence is a direct response to the fact that the Particulars of Claim provided by the Claimant were wholly deficient and failed to comply with the requirements of CPR 16.4. The Claimant relies on Practice Direction 7C to excuse their failure to provide detailed and compliant Particulars, yet fails to acknowledge that even within the constraints of PD 7C, the Claimant is still required to provide sufficient detail to allow a Defendant to understand the claim against them. In this case, the Claimant’s vague and generic PoC did not allow me to do so.

56. The Claimant further suggests that I could have submitted an Application to the Court regarding the inadequate Particulars. However, it is not incumbent upon a Defendant to correct a Claimant’s procedural failings at their own expense. The onus is on the Claimant to issue a properly pleaded claim in the first instance. The failure to do so has placed me at a disadvantage, as I was required to submit a Defence without any meaningful particulars of the alleged breach.

57. Furthermore, the Claimant’s reliance on CPR 1 to argue that they have acted proportionately is misplaced. The overriding objective requires both parties to act fairly and ensure that cases are dealt with justly. It is not proportionate or just for a Claimant to issue deficient Particulars and then criticise the Defendant for challenging their non-compliance.

58. The Claimant cannot now argue that their inadequate PoC is excusable simply because I have pointed out their procedural failings. The reality is that their lack of compliance with CPR 16.4 has hindered my ability to respond in any meaningful way beyond disputing the receipt of prior communication and highlighting their errors. Any suggestion that I have not suffered prejudice as a result is wholly without merit.

59. I respectfully request that the Court takes this into account when considering the Claimant’s conduct and the impact it has had on my ability to defend this claim.

Unlawful Debt Recovery Charges

60. In paragraph 27 of the Claimant’s Witness Statement, the Claimant asserts that the £70 debt recovery charge is a separate and recoverable cost. However, this contradicts the Supreme Court ruling in ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, which confirmed that enforcement costs are included within the parking charge itself.

61. The Supreme Court justices made it clear that the parking charge itself was set at a level to include the costs of enforcement and debt recovery. Paragraph 98 of the Beavis judgment states:

62. "The charge is set at a level which enables the manager to recover the costs of operating the scheme. These include the costs of construction, maintenance and enforcement. They also include the costs of chasing up non-payers."

63. This passage confirms that the Supreme Court recognised that the costs of pursuing unpaid charges were already incorporated into the parking charge itself. The judges explicitly stated that these costs were considered as part of the business model of the parking operator.

64. The Claimant’s attempt to impose an additional £70 debt recovery fee is therefore an attempt at double recovery, as it seeks to reclaim enforcement costs separately when the Beavis ruling confirms that such costs were already accounted for within the PCN charge.

65. The Claimant’s misrepresentation of Beavis is particularly concerning given that Beavis is the most widely cited authority in private parking claims. The Supreme Court’s decision remains binding, and its findings on the composition of parking charges cannot be ignored or reinterpreted to suit the Claimant’s financial gain.

66. Furthermore, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence that this additional charge was genuinely incurred, nor have they demonstrated that it represents a contractual loss. In reality, this charge is arbitrary and artificially inflated, designed to penalise motorists rather than compensate for a genuine cost.

67. This position is further supported by the Private Parking Code of Practice: Draft Impact Assessment, published by the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities (DLUHC) on 30 July 2023. This document was released alongside a call for evidence on parking charges and debt recovery fees, which ran until 8 October 2023.

68. The DLUHC report highlighted that the actual unit cost per successful debt recovery was estimated at only £8.42, meaning that the then-current cap of £70 was disproportionate to the actual costs incurred. This publication is part of the government’s ongoing effort to regulate the private parking industry under the Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019, which aims to ensure fair and proportionate enforcement practices.

69. Given that even the government’s own assessment has identified the disproportionate nature of these fees, the Claimant’s attempt to recover an inflated £70 charge is wholly unreasonable and should be rejected by the court.

70. The court is invited to strike out the £70 debt recovery charge as it is not a legitimate recoverable cost under the contractual framework set out in Beavis (2015). The Claimant’s reliance on this additional charge is an abuse of process, and their attempt to mislead the court on this point should be noted when assessing the overall credibility of their case.

Conclusion

71. The Claimant has failed to properly particularise their claim from the outset, breaching CPR 16.4 and placing me at a disadvantage when drafting my Defence. Their Witness Statement attempts to retrospectively cure these defects, but this does not remedy the procedural non-compliance at the time of issuing the claim.

72. The Claimant’s representative, Sarah Ensall, is not a genuine witness to any of the facts of this case, and her statement is entirely hearsay. She is merely an employee of the Claimant’s bulk litigation firm, signing statements in support of hundreds, if not thousands, of similar claims without any personal knowledge of the matters at hand. Her evidence should therefore be given little to no weight.

73. The Claimant’s attempt to justify their £70 debt recovery charge contradicts the Supreme Court ruling in Beavis (2015), which confirmed that enforcement costs were already accounted for within the parking charge itself. Additionally, the DLUHC’s 2023 Draft Impact Assessment has highlighted that the true unit cost per successful debt recovery is around £8.42, demonstrating that the Claimant’s charge is excessive and a clear attempt at double recovery.

74. The Claimant’s request for an advocate’s fee is an abuse of process, as such costs are not recoverable in the small claims track under CPR 27.14(2) unless unreasonable conduct is found. Given the Claimant’s poorly pleaded claim, procedural non-compliance, misleading legal arguments, and excessive charges, it is the Claimant, not the Defendant, who has acted unreasonably.

75. Given the fundamental deficiencies in the Claimant’s case, their misrepresentation of legal authority, and their unreasonable conduct, I request that this claim be dismissed in its entirety.

Statement of Truth

I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 22, 2025, 01:29:44 am
I have a bank statement which shows payment on this date - im guessing this will be used as defense if they continue?

Also if you look at their last photo, you can see a small paper square in the windscreen which is the parking ticket...lol

The photo you refer to is the entrance ANPR photo. How can the "small paper square" be the permit if you have not yet even parked?

However, the bank statement you refer to... can you confirm that the payment is for the actual date, 03/06/2021? What is the amount for and is there any other identification on the statement that the payment is to the claimant?
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 21, 2025, 06:03:33 pm
Sorry, been busy working on a WS for the OP. Not finished yet but here is the draft of what I have so far with more to come:

Quote
1. I, [Defendant’s Name], am the Defendant in this claim and make this statement in support of my defence. The facts in this statement are true to the best of my knowledge and belief.

Preliminary Matter

2. I submit that the Claimant’s Particulars of Claim were inadequately pleaded from the outset and failed to comply with CPR 16.4 and Practice Direction 16, paragraph 7.5.

3. The Claimant had an obligation to properly particularise its claim at the time of issuing proceedings but failed to:

(a) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) relied upon.

(b) Adequately explain how the terms of the alleged contract were incorporated or why the Defendant is said to be in breach.

(c) Clearly distinguish whether the claim is brought against the Defendant as the driver or the keeper.

4. The Claimant's Witness Statement now seeks to introduce details that were absent from the original claim. However, this does not cure the fact that the claim, as pleaded, was defective and non-compliant with CPR 16.4.

5. The court should not accept the Claimant’s attempt to roll back its liability for failing to plead the claim properly in the first instance. A Witness Statement is not a substitute for properly pleaded Particulars of Claim, and its contents should not absolve the Claimant of its failure to comply with the Civil Procedure Rules at the time of filing the claim.

6. The Claimant, represented by bulk litigation solicitors, is a serial litigant and should be fully aware of its obligations under the CPR. Its failure to comply with basic procedural requirements is unreasonable and amounts to an abuse of process.

7. The Particulars of Claim do not comply with CPR 16.4 because:

(a) They do not set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon.

(b) They do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the Claimant asserts that the Defendant was in breach of contract.

(c) They fail to state what proportion of the claim is the original parking charge and what proportion is alleged damages or additional costs.

(d) They do not explain how the claim for statutory interest is calculated or from what date it is said to have accrued.

8. Even in its Witness Statement, the Claimant still fails to correct these deficiencies. Despite having a second opportunity to clarify its position, it has provided no breakdown of its claim and has not explained the legal or factual basis for any additional amounts beyond the original parking charge.

9. The Civil Procedure Rules exist to ensure that claims are properly pleaded so that the overriding objective is achieved. The Claimant, however, is renowned for abusing the court process, filing large volumes of vexatious claims with little regard for compliance with the CPR.

10. The Claimant could and should have complied with CPR 16.4 from the outset but chose not to do so. The fact that additional information has now been provided in the Witness Statement does not excuse this failure. The Claimant’s approach to litigation is unfair, unreasonable, and an abuse of process.

11. There are also procedural irregularities with the Claimant’s Witness Statement, which has been made by Sarah Jennifer Helena Ensall, an employee of DCB Legal Limited, rather than by the Claimant or an authorised representative of the Claimant.

12. Ms. Ensall is not a solicitor and does not state that she is acting under the instruction of a solicitor. Her role as "Head of Bulk Litigation" is not a recognised legal qualification, nor does it give her any special authority to act on behalf of the Claimant in the absence of explicit evidence of authorisation.

13. In her Witness Statement, Ms. Ensall states:

(a) "I am duly authorised to make this statement on the Claimant’s behalf."

(b) However, she provides no evidence of such authorisation, nor does the Claimant itself confirm that she is acting under its instructions.

14. The Civil Procedure Rules require that a witness statement must be based on personal knowledge unless it is made as hearsay evidence under CPR 32.2(1). Ms. Ensall does not have first-hand knowledge of the alleged parking event, the signage, or the contractual arrangements between the Claimant and the landowner.

15. Her statement relies on second-hand information and is therefore hearsay, which the court may give little or no weight to. If the Claimant intended to rely on evidence, it should have been provided by an individual with direct involvement, such as an employee of the Claimant or a representative of the landowner.

16. The Claimant’s failure to produce a proper witness statement from a relevant party further undermines the credibility of its case. The use of a bulk litigation employee to present evidence raises concerns about the accuracy and reliability of the statements made, particularly where they concern matters of fact rather than legal argument.

17. Given these fundamental procedural issues, I respectfully invite the Court to strike out the claim in its entirety. In the alternative, if the claim is not struck out, I submit that the Witness Statement of Sarah Jennifer Helena Ensall should be disregarded or given little to no weight, as it is largely hearsay and lacks first-hand knowledge of the material facts. While she states that she is "duly authorised to make this statement on the Claimant’s behalf," no evidence has been provided to demonstrate the basis or scope of this authorisation. It is unclear whether she has specific authorisation for this claim or is relying on a general contractual arrangement between her employer and the Claimant.

18. At the time of filing my Defence, I was unable to respond substantively to the Claimant’s allegations due to the inadequacy of the Particulars of Claim. The claim was so poorly pleaded that it did not contain sufficient details for me to understand the precise basis of the claim, the contractual terms relied upon, or how the alleged breach was said to have occurred.

19. The Claimant has now provided further details in their Witness Statement, including evidence that was not disclosed at the time of filing the claim. Having now had the opportunity to review this material, I am able to address and rebut specific points raised.

20. The passage of time—nearly four years since the alleged contravention—means that I would not have been able to recall the precise details of the event without first seeing the evidence on which the Claimant relies. Now that the Claimant has provided their version of events, I am in a position to comment on and challenge their assertions where necessary.

21. I maintain that the Claimant’s failure to properly plead their case from the outset was unreasonable, and I do not accept that they should be permitted to retrospectively cure these defects by introducing new material at the witness statement stage. However, for the avoidance of doubt, I will now respond to the substantive points raised in the Claimant’s Witness Statement.

22. A Parking Charge Notice (PCN) cannot be issued twice—it is either issued on the date it is created or not at all. However, the Claimant falsely asserts in paragraph 7 of their Witness Statement that the PCN was "issued" on 03/06/2021, which is factually impossible.

23. The process of obtaining registered keeper details from the DVLA is not instantaneous. The Claimant must first process the ANPR data, prepare the request, and submit it to the DVLA, which then responds with the keeper’s details. This process typically takes at least 24 hours, and often longer, depending on weekends, bank holidays, and processing times.

24. This sequence of events makes it physically impossible for the PCN to have been issued on 03/06/2021, as the Claimant would not have known who the registered keeper was at that time. The earliest possible issue date would have been at least the following day, if not later.

25. The only scenario in which a PCN could be "issued" on the same date as the alleged contravention is if it was a Notice to Driver (NtD) affixed to the vehicle’s windscreen by a parking attendant. That did not happen in this case, and the Claimant does not suggest otherwise. The Claimant’s enforcement method—ANPR cameras—precludes the possibility of same-day issuance.

26. Despite this, paragraph 7 of the Claimant’s Witness Statement falsely repeats the misleading assertion that the PCN was "issued" on 03/06/2021. This is demonstrably untrue, as the Claimant’s own Notice to Keeper (NtK), provided in their evidence, confirms it was actually issued on 08/06/2021.

27. The Claimant’s legal representatives at DCB Legal must be fully aware of this fact, yet they continue to misstate the issue date in every claim they file. Given that the signatory of the Statement of Truth on the claim and the Witness Statement, Sarah Ensall, is also Head of Bulk Litigation at DCB Legal, she cannot claim ignorance of this issue.

28. The repeated use of incorrect issue dates in both the Particulars of Claim and the Witness Statement is misleading, creates procedural uncertainty, and undermines the credibility of the Claimant’s case. The court is invited to take particular note of this misrepresentation, as it is not an isolated error but a pattern of conduct across multiple cases issued by DCB Legal.

29. In paragraph 8 of the Claimant’s Witness Statement, the Claimant asserts that it was the landowner at the time of the alleged contravention and relies on Exhibit 1, a copy of the Land Registry title, to support this claim. However, the document itself explicitly states:

“This copy is not an 'Official Copy' of the register. An official copy of the register is admissible in evidence in a court to the same extent as the original.”

30. The Claimant has therefore failed to provide the highest evidential standard of proof of ownership. The authenticity of this document is open to challenge under CPR 32.19, and the Claimant should be required to produce an Official Copy of the Land Registry title, which can be obtained from HM Land Registry for a nominal fee.

31. Additionally, the document was last updated on 29 June 2018, meaning it does not confirm that the Claimant was still the landowner at the time of the alleged contravention in 2021. The Claimant has not provided a more recent update or a full transfer history of the land to bridge this gap in time.

32. The Land Registry document in Exhibit 1 states that the land is subject to rights reserved by a Transfer dated 13 January 2009, involving Ing (UK) Listed Real Estate Nominee (No. 1) Limited, Ing (UK) Listed Real Estate Nominee (No. 2) Limited, and Euro Car Parks (Management) Limited.

33. The Claimant has not disclosed the full details of these reserved rights, which may include restrictions or conditions on their authority to enforce parking charges. If the previous landowner imposed any contractual or statutory limitations, the Claimant must provide full disclosure of the transfer agreement to demonstrate that no such limitations exist.

34. Without evidence that these reserved rights do not interfere with the Claimant’s parking enforcement, the Claimant has not fully established its standing to bring this claim.

35. The Claimant has provided a redacted version of the Land Registry document in Exhibit 1, with the stated justification that the redactions were necessary to protect "privileged information between them and their Client," as stated in paragraph 8 of their Witness Statement.

36. This justification is misleading because Land Registry documents are publicly available for a small fee. Any member of the public can obtain an unredacted Official Copy. There is no legal or procedural basis for the Claimant to withhold any portion of this document, particularly as it is being relied upon in litigation.

37. Furthermore, the Claimant has asserted in paragraph 8 of their Witness Statement that they are the landowner. If this is true, then who is the “Client” they are referring to? The Claimant has not explained the involvement of any third party. If the Claimant is merely acting on behalf of another entity, they must provide full disclosure of the contractual arrangement that confers enforcement rights upon them.

38. The Claimant’s use of redactions, provision of an incomplete document, and contradictory statements about their authority create uncertainty as to whether they have the necessary standing to enforce this charge. The court is invited to require the Claimant to produce an unredacted, Official Copy of the Land Registry title, as well as any agreements that grant them enforcement rights.

39. In paragraph 9 of the Claimant’s Witness Statement, the Claimant states that they were prominently displaying signs that formed the basis of the contract. However, none of the evidential photos provided by the Claimant show any sign that contains the terms they claim were in effect. The Claimant has failed to provide any photograph of a sign that states "24 HOUR PAY & DISPLAY" or "UP TO 3 HOURS £1.50."

40. The Claimant has also not provided any signage that clearly states the £100 parking charge for breaching the terms. In a contractual claim, the alleged contractual terms must be clearly displayed and accessible to the driver at the time of parking. The absence of any such evidence raises serious doubts about whether the alleged contractual terms were ever sufficiently brought to the driver’s attention.

41. Out of the five photos provided as “evidence,” three simply show a payment machine, all of which are dated after the alleged contravention. The other two images show an entrance sign, which does not contain any terms at all, but instead states, "Terms & Conditions apply. See signage in car park for full details."

42. In paragraph 12 of the Claimant’s Witness Statement, the Claimant asserts that "The Contract provides that a Charge is payable by the driver upon breach, with payment falling due within 28 days." However, nowhere in the signage exhibited by the Claimant does this term appear. If this was a genuine term of the alleged contract, it must have been clearly displayed to the driver before they parked, yet the Claimant has failed to evidence this.

43. Furthermore, the wording on the signage shown is minuscule and barely readable, raising serious concerns about whether the terms were adequately communicated to motorists. Under contract law, for terms to be enforceable, they must be clearly brought to the attention of the party before agreement is formed.

44. Given the lack of any evidence that the alleged terms were displayed at the material time, the Defendant submits that the Claimant has failed to establish that a contract was ever formed between the driver and the Claimant. Accordingly, this claim has no contractual basis and must fail.

45. The first failure in PoFA compliance is that the Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not invite me, as the keeper, to pay the charge, as required under Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). Instead, the NtK merely states that the driver is liable and instructs me to either pass the notice to the driver or provide the driver’s details.
PoFA is unequivocal in its requirements. Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) states that the notice must:

46. "State that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—
(i) to pay the unpaid parking charges; or
(ii) if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver."

47. This requirement is explicit, and the invitation to pay is a specific statutory obligation, not an implied one. The NtK issued by the Claimant fails to meet this requirement because it does not invite me, as the keeper, to pay the charge. Instead, it merely states that the driver is required to pay the charge and that if I was not the driver, I should provide the driver's details.

48. The law’s intention is to ensure that the keeper’s responsibilities are clear and unambiguous. The requirement for an explicit invitation to pay ensures that I, as the keeper, am given a direct choice between paying the charge and identifying the driver. The Claimant’s NtK does not contain any such invitation, meaning that it does not comply with the statutory wording requirements of PoFA.

49. The Claimant may attempt to argue that an invitation to pay is implied because the notice is addressed to me. However, this does not satisfy the strict wording requirements of PoFA. The law does not allow for implied obligations in this context; it requires full and precise compliance.  By failing to provide the necessary invitation to pay, the Claimant has not met the statutory conditions required to hold me liable as the keeper.

50. Since compliance with PoFA is mandatory for the transfer of liability from the driver to the keeper, the Claimant’s failure to meet this requirement means that they cannot lawfully pursue me as the keeper. This fundamental statutory failure renders their claim against me baseless in law.

51. The Claimant appears to suggest that because I have not identified the driver, it is reasonable to infer that I was the driver. However, there is no legal obligation upon the keeper to identify the driver. The Claimant must prove its case on the balance of probabilities and cannot simply rely on an absence of information to shift the burden onto me.

52. If the Claimant cannot rely on PoFA to establish keeper liability, then it cannot automatically infer that the keeper was also the driver. This position is well supported by persuasive appellate case law, including VCS v Edward (2023) [H0KF6C9C], in which HHJ Gargan confirmed that the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 was enacted precisely because liability could not otherwise be established against the keeper. In paragraph 35 of the judgment, HHJ Gargan explicitly rejected the notion that the court should impose a duty on the keeper to identify the driver, holding that there is no presumption in law that the registered keeper was the driver. The full transcript of this decision is provided as Exhibit XX01.

52. The Claimant cannot sidestep its evidential burden by making unsupported assertions or seeking to imply legal obligations that do not exist. The fact remains that the burden of proof is entirely on the Claimant, and in the absence of PoFA compliance, they have failed to establish any lawful basis to pursue me as the keeper.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 21, 2025, 05:47:58 pm
I have a bank statement which shows payment on this date - im guessing this will be used as defense if they continue?

Also if you look at their last photo, you can see a small paper square in the windscreen which is the parking ticket...lol
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on February 21, 2025, 05:46:20 pm
I agree their records can be attacked, backed up by the evidence of payment. I think we should be cautious of taking a view as to whether the data is from P&D machines or pay by phone, and instead make the case that there is no reference made either way
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: H C Andersen on February 21, 2025, 05:39:04 pm
I grant that the evidence is conflicting.

On the one hand it refers to 'One of the terms..is P&D' and then goes to ANPR monitoring. So, what is the basis of a breach?

Apparently Exhibit 6.

So what is it given that payment by phone or P&D (in which case how the hell can ANPR prove a breach) is permissible.


The Claimant advises that no payment was made, implicitly by either method.

So how does Exhibit 6 prove this given that it doesn't explain the type of data.

Are machine IDs input from 2 machines on site? If so, then there's no evidence as regards payment by phone.

Or is there only one machine and the other machine ID is pay by phone?

I took a view in my last post, but it's open to debate because it's unclear.

But the burden is theirs and IMO the registered keeper should attack this because everything else e.g. procedural errors etc. is predicated on there having been a breach which IMO their evidence does not support.






Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on February 21, 2025, 04:33:17 pm
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Therefore how could a failure to appear on their list of pay by phone payments 
On what basis have you concluded that the list of payments relates to pay by phone payments?
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: H C Andersen on February 21, 2025, 04:23:31 pm
Just some initial obs:

Landowner is Euro Car Parks(Management) Ltd.

This is now ECP Travel Ltd:

Previous company names:

EURO CAR PARKS (MANAGEMENT) LIMITED 04 Mar 1993 - 25 Jul 2012

The claimant is Euro Car Parks.

There is no evidence of the relationship between these distinct legal entities, certainly nothing which suggests that the claimant has any authority to pursue parking charges for land which they do not own.

The signs in evidence state...pay at the pay and display machine and display ticket or pay by phone.

The witness's statement on this point is at paras.9&17.

'The signs at Exhibit 2 form the contract'. These allow P&D or pay by phone.

Therefore how could a failure to appear on their list of pay by phone payments amount to a breach of contract, particularly when the defendant recalls paying at a machine at the site.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on February 21, 2025, 01:32:37 pm
They may well still discontinue. I'd contact the court first thing Monday.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 20, 2025, 10:58:45 pm
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XVYh5ZvqvCH_bxZn5gP8n3VrYkPDWvd/view?usp=sharing

Link added

Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on February 20, 2025, 10:20:43 pm
You'll need to use a third party host such as DropBox or Google Drive.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 20, 2025, 10:19:10 pm
This is the first page with redacted information, but its a 33 page PDF file so im guessing this is pretty serious, not sure I can upload a 33 page pdf?

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Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on February 20, 2025, 09:26:14 pm
Can you please show us?
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 20, 2025, 09:11:11 pm
Just received an email from DCB Legal

Hearing listed on DATE

We act for the claimant, please find attached out clients witness statement for the hearing

We confirm it has been filed with the court


Then inside the email its the PDF witness statement

They have pictures of the car entering and exiting with timestamp in this PDF
NO valid payment was purchased
"24 pay & display" "up to 3 hours £1.50"

As mentioned, I didnt say who was the driver, but I do have a business bank account which shows that £1.50 was paid...im guessing this is now the best option going forward.




Assuming I actually do have to defend this in court and its not being dropped as has been suggested so far?
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 18, 2025, 12:37:57 am
Monday
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 17, 2025, 08:26:28 pm
So, you will know by 22nd February whether they have paid the hearing fee. If they have (doubtful), then you will have until Wednesday 26th February to submit a Witness Statement.

If you have not heard otherwise by Friday 22nd February, you can phone the court at Birmingham and check whether the claimant has paid the hearing fee and/or has filed an N279 Notice of Discontinuation and double check whether the hearing on the 21st March has been vacated.

If they haven't paid the hearing fee, then the claim is automatically struck out. We often see DCB Legal failing to inform the defendant that they have discontinued and the defendant showing up at court, wasting a lot of time. If you've not heard anything and you check, then you save yourself a lot of bother.

Friday is 21st February - should I still call on this day, or wait until Monday?
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 09, 2025, 10:35:53 am
If you have to send anything to he court, it will be a Witness Statement (WS). As pointed out above, your defence has already been submitted. Don't waste any time trying to put together a WS until you know for sure that they have paid the hearing fee.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on February 08, 2025, 10:16:17 pm
You've already sent your defence. The next stage is a witness statement, but, as b789 says, wait to see if they actually pay the hearing fee.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 08, 2025, 08:37:21 pm
awesome thanks, so i wouldnt send the court any defence until they prove they have paid the fee?
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 08, 2025, 03:55:27 pm
So, you will know by 22nd February whether they have paid the hearing fee. If they have (doubtful), then you will have until Wednesday 26th February to submit a Witness Statement.

If you have not heard otherwise by Friday 22nd February, you can phone the court at Birmingham and check whether the claimant has paid the hearing fee and/or has filed an N279 Notice of Discontinuation and double check whether the hearing on the 21st March has been vacated.

If they haven't paid the hearing fee, then the claim is automatically struck out. We often see DCB Legal failing to inform the defendant that they have discontinued and the defendant showing up at court, wasting a lot of time. If you've not heard anything and you check, then you save yourself a lot of bother.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 08, 2025, 03:35:16 pm
final part of the letter

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Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 08, 2025, 03:34:52 pm
only allows me to do one upload per post sorry

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Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 08, 2025, 03:34:20 pm
letters posted

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Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 07, 2025, 07:06:26 pm
Can you please post a decent picture of the order without the contrasting shadow obscuring half of it and also the back or other pages that contain other parts of the order.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 07, 2025, 06:57:09 pm
They have until 4pm on 21st February today the trial fee.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 07, 2025, 04:36:25 pm
seems I was wrong, this is the £27 fee letter... what are my next steps?

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Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on February 07, 2025, 03:26:03 pm
Got court letter today - so I guess im going.

So reading through the letter, I have to send  a copy of everything I want to use in my defense.

I think at this point its just best I show my bank statement that I paid on the date, as so far they seem pretty confident otherwise it wouldn't have escalated to this point. Thoughts?

Absolutely NOT!!!!! Please show us the "court letter" you received. It is probably the allocation order to your local county court. Has a hearing date been set? I doubt it, but if it has, then there will be a deadline for submitting your Witness Statement (WS), which is usually, but not always, 14 days before the hearing date.

You would be foolish to submit your WS too early. DCB Legal will discontinue just before they have to pay the "Hearing Fee" (£27), which is normally payable at least 28 days prior to the trial date or the Monday of the first week of the notified trial period. I would place money on DCB Legal discontinuing the claim at that time.

They are obliged to send you a copy of the Notice of Discontinuation (NoD) N279 form that they send to the court but they don't always do that which is an abuse of process and will allow you to claim some costs for their unreasonable behaviour. We'll cross that bridge if we come to it.

SO, please show us the "court letter" and whether it contains an order from the allocation judge.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on February 07, 2025, 03:05:50 pm
At risk of sounding blunt, you need to trust the advice you've received so far. They're not 'confident', they let things go until the last minute, then when they have to pay the hearing fee, they pull out.

Look at the following. We can't offer any guarantees, but if you want to know why we feel confident they'll discontinue, here's a list of 476 times where they have:
DCB LEGAL RECORD OF PRIVATE PARKING COURT CLAIM DISCONTINUATIONS (https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6377263/dcb-legal-record-of-private-parking-court-claim-discontinuations)
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on February 07, 2025, 02:22:25 pm
Got court letter today - so I guess im going.

So reading through the letter, I have to send  a copy of everything I want to use in my defense.

I think at this point its just best I show my bank statement that I paid on the date, as so far they seem pretty confident otherwise it wouldn't have escalated to this point. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on November 22, 2024, 03:47:21 pm
Mediation is normally concluded in less than 5 minutes. You offer £0 and that's it. You've fulfilled your obligation to "attend" the mediation and the process is over.

The outcome of the mediation, as long as you did not agree to anything except to pay £0 has no bearing on anything going forward. The outcome is still going to be an eventual discontinuation. they will not go as far as a hearing.

So far, everything is as expected.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on November 22, 2024, 02:13:56 pm
It is very much normal procedure. Mediation is just that, an attempt to solve the matter without a hearing, which, as you want to pay nothing, and they want you to pay something, is never likely to succeed.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on November 22, 2024, 02:09:09 pm
looks like the defence didnt work as I just did "mediation" and apparently they want to proceed to court - unless this is normal procedure.

I still have the bank statement to prove I paid fwiw
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on October 16, 2024, 08:59:32 pm
ty, thats the price I pay for being a moron I'm afraid
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on October 16, 2024, 08:49:22 pm
There was a temporary problem while delivering your message to dq.cnbc@justice.goc.uk. Gmail will retry for 45 more hours. You'll be notified if the delivery fails permanently.
There's your problem, it's .gov.uk, not .goc.uk
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on October 16, 2024, 08:36:59 pm
Do you not go through your Government Gateway ID? I’m not sure you had to “register” for your own MCOL “customer number”.

Just wait for your DQ to arrive by post if you can’t access MCOL. When it arrives in the post, just email the one you downloaded and have completed to DQ.cnbc@justice.gov.uk AND the claimant or their solicitor, if they’re up using one, and CC in yourself.

Sent this to the claimant/solicitor - DONE

DC.cnbc - keep getting this error - have tried twice now and idk if I'm running out of time.

There was a temporary problem while delivering your message to dq.cnbc@justice.goc.uk. Gmail will retry for 45 more hours. You'll be notified if the delivery fails permanently.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on October 08, 2024, 05:52:52 pm
This is what I thought too but the moneyclaim is no longer there.

Anyway, I received the postal copy today, I filled out the PDF and emailed it to the 2 email addresses you listed, as well as CCing myself in, so once again thanks for your advice.


Do I now just wait for another letter?
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on October 06, 2024, 01:51:49 am
Do you not go through your Government Gateway ID? I’m not sure you had to “register” for your own MCOL “customer number”.

Just wait for your DQ to arrive by post if you can’t access MCOL. When it arrives in the post, just email the one you downloaded and have completed to DQ.cnbc@justice.gov.uk AND the claimant or their solicitor, if they’re up using one, and CC in yourself.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on October 05, 2024, 06:34:28 pm
Should i respond now because I have NO EMAILS AT ALL from mcol - I can't login to MCOL despite having all my details saved in the edited screenshot. I thought I was going mad but its like I don't exist.

My inbox and spam has 0 emails from MCOL, I only have the emails from claimresponses.cnbc when I filed my defence.

https://imgur.com/a/F161BkA
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on October 03, 2024, 05:42:45 pm
The letter from DCB Legal is normal and expected. Nothing to do but file it.

For claims issued after 22nd May 2024, mediation is not optional any more. It is no big deal and is not part of the legal process. It is not a trial and no judge or lawyers are involved.

The only requirement is to "attend" the phone call. You do not have to agree to anything in the mediation and you should offer £0. It will be over in less than 5 minutes. You will have "attended" the call and that is all that was required.

The mediator is not a person with legal training. They will have had a days course on how to mediate over the phone and that's about.

You are waiting for your N180 DQ. Download one from here:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66a8b019ce1fd0da7b592f43/N180_0724.pdf

Fill it out and sign it by typing your name for the signature and keep it handy for. when yours arrives by post. You won't use the paper one. The one you download and complete will be emailed as a PDF attachment to dq.cnbc@justice.goc.uk AND to info@dcblegal.co.uk AND CC in yourself.

Don't send it until your MCOL history says that one has been sent to you. No need to wait for the postal one, just send the one you have already filled in as above.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on October 03, 2024, 05:14:53 pm
update: they claim they are taking me to court but have sent some kind of mediation questionnaire

am I meant to ignore this? obviously, I don't really want mediation because I still have a bank statement (which they have not seen because I used the defence suggested here) that shows I paid.


Letter + mediation thing

https://imgur.com/a/5jzav1L
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on September 18, 2024, 06:11:19 pm
All part of their standard procedure. Leave them to it. Don't phone them.

Absolutely. DO NOT respond to them in any way. It is all part of a very well rehearsed dance they play. If they have not managed to squeeze as little as £25 out of you by the time they must pay the trial fee, they will discontinue and move on in search of easier prey.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on September 18, 2024, 05:29:29 pm
All part of their standard procedure. Leave them to it. Don't phone them.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on September 18, 2024, 05:17:59 pm
Today i got a letter from dcb legal "without prejudice save as to costs"


It says I can call them as a settlement at this stage would avoid further costs. Then they ask me to call them.

Does this mean they are desperate to settle for any amount? (I won't because I'm in the right and I actually paid for parking that day as previously mentioned).
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on August 30, 2024, 10:43:51 pm
You don’t know when they will respond. The CNBC will, when they catch up, send a copy of your defence to the claimant. They will then have 28 days to respond from the date the defence is served on them.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on August 30, 2024, 10:30:04 pm
I filed this defence on Tuesday and haven't received any responses from the claimant (I checked and got the confirmation email that my defence was emailed).

Is there a time limit they get to respond? I think I read 5 days in the defence but I'm not sure if this means they genuinely do have 5 days or a longer period of time.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on August 15, 2024, 05:31:41 pm
As for the defence, very recently through discussion with a very long serving district judge, it has been recommended that the very long template defence that has been developed and used over the years has lost its effectiveness as judges are familiar with it and tend not to bother reading it as it is considered a boilerplate, “one size fits all” template.

It has been suggested that a “short” defence be submitted with an attached draft order for the allocation judge to require the claimant to submit particulars that fully comply with the CPRs. To date, no roboclaim claimant that has been served with the order has managed to fully comply with it and those claims have been struck out.

The defence has been amended and refined over this last week. Only the defendants name, the claimants name and the claim reference number need to be edited. The statement of truth can be signed electronically by simply typing your name. Nothing else needs to be added or edited.

The draft order does not require any any editing.

These are the latest versions of the documents as edited this week:

Short defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/e3ywca2o8vkrqxpy6bddn/Short-defence.pdf?rlkey=x1fukkeyi1w58l6x2axezmwid&dl=0)

Draft order for the short defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/z8zcqfdncdoajgj4ag6a4/short-defence-orderP1.pages.pdf?rlkey=at98xmfwj0ehi3w9d0ia15ogp&dl=0)

The completed defence and draft order are attached as PDF files to the email and sent to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk (claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk) with the subject "Claim: [claim number] defence" and, in the body of the email just put "Please find the defence and draft order for claim [claim number]." Also CC in yourself to the email.

When it has been sent, you should receive an auto-response email from the CNBC almost immediately. If you do not get the auto-response within 5-10 minutes, the defence has not been submitted and you need to try again until you get the auto-response email.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on August 15, 2024, 05:17:54 pm
You still have until 4pm 2nd September to file the defence, so no rush.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on August 15, 2024, 05:12:13 pm
should i reply to them yet or do I still have until September 2nd to use a defence?
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on August 09, 2024, 05:47:04 pm
I'll get the short defence ready over the weekend and you can then review it.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on August 09, 2024, 05:39:06 pm
Thanks guys,

AoS is now complete - I followed the guide you linked me it was very easy!
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on August 09, 2024, 10:22:18 am
As for donations to the forum, you would need to ask @DWMB2.
The site's set-up and hosting costs have been generously paid for by Southpaw82, the site's owner, and we do not take donations. If you succeed with your case, you may wish to donate some of the money you have saved to a charity of your choice, but there is no obligation.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on August 09, 2024, 10:01:07 am
Not to worry about the original NtK. As for donations to the forum, you would need to ask @DWMB2.

Let us know when you've completed the AoS for the claim and advice on the defence will be provided.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on August 09, 2024, 09:51:21 am
Do you still have the original Notice to Keeper (NtK)? We do not need to see any reminders or useless debt collector letters, just the original NtK. If you have any of their evidential photos, please show those too.


- No, as this was so long ago, I don't even know if I got one, I'm guessing I did, but either way I don't have it.


Should I still go ahead with what you said? and also is there a way to donate to this forum?

thanks
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on August 09, 2024, 07:45:39 am
One other thing you should do immediately is send a data rectification notice to the DPOs of both ECP and DCB Legal. You do not want either of those bottom dwelling firms to hold two possible addresses for service.

Whilst the claim has come through to your current address, do not be surprised if anything goes missing due to them having two possible addresses. You must make sure that they only have a single address for service.

In your data rectification notice, you must tell the DPOs to confirm that your current address for service is [current address] and they they must erase your old address. You require confirmation from them that this has been completed.

You can find the DPO email address in the “privacy” part of their websites.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: b789 on August 09, 2024, 07:02:14 am
With an issue date of 30th July, you have until Monday 19th August to file your acknowledgement of service. There is no advantage to delaying the AoS.

Here is a link to a guide on how to do the AoS on MCOL:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/r7pj2q44de5r7dg97yi83/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?rlkey=9y9gfemyylmprpjfdimw49qpk&dl=0

Once the AoS is filed, you will have until 4pm on Monday 2nd September to file your defence. Do not file your defence through MCOL. Your defence will be filed as a PDF attachment to an email to the CNBC.

This is very easily defended. The most likely outcome is a discontinuation or a strike out due to failures in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) to comply with CPR 16.4.

Do you still have the original Notice to Keeper (NtK)? We do not need to see any reminders or useless debt collector letters, just the original NtK. If you have any of their evidential photos, please show those too.

The reason we need to see the original NtK is because the defendant is being sued as the driver or, in the alternative, as the keeper. ECP do not know the identity of the driver unless the keeper tells them. There is no legal obligation for the keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company. Unless the NtK is fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA, they cannot hold the keeper liable.

Also, the date in the PoC that the they say the PCN was issued, 30/06/2021, is mendacious. That is more likely the date of the alleged breach of contract by the driver. The PCN (NtK) will have been issued at least several days later. Don’t forget, the claim has been signed under a statement of truth. It is anything but truthful.

Also, the PoC are inadequate in that they fail to particularise how much of the claim is for the original invoice (PCN) and how much is for damages. They have not shown how they have calculated the statutory interest and on what element of the claim. Any interest did not become due until at least 28 days after the PCN was issued and, as already pointed out, the issue date shown in the PoC is not true.

There are other CPR and PD technical failures in the woefully inadequate PoC that it is almost impossible to defend properly. There is now a “short” defence that has been developed together with the assistance of a district judge, designed to force the claimant to proved further particulars that fully comply with all the requirements of CPR 16.4.

This new short defence is accompanied with a draft order for the allocation judge. The short defence is still being “tweaked” and I am updating it as required. However, once we have seen the original NtK, I can provide a copy which may be slightly adjusted to the particular circumstances of each case.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on August 08, 2024, 09:35:39 pm
^^ you are probably right, also i don't know if it matters, I don't own this car anymore, but I did when I parked there.

I have the bank statement but idk what you guys think I should do as I've never had this before ill just go with your advice.

here is the claim form: https://imgur.com/a/i6Ny7w1
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: The Rookie on August 08, 2024, 06:50:38 pm
I doubt they started sending letters a year after, more likely you were no longer at the registered keeper address so didn’t receive anything until after they did a trace.
Title: Re: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: DWMB2 on August 08, 2024, 06:30:20 pm
Can you show us the claim form please?

As this is DCB Legal, there's a good chance that if you defend the matter, they'll discontinue before it gets to a hearing, but before we advise on a defence it would be useful to see the claim.
Title: Court Claim for Not purchasing a ticket (I did)
Post by: OD123 on August 08, 2024, 05:58:01 pm
I got a ton of what i assumed to be scam/bait letters from a legal firm which reperesents euro car parks, the company is named DCB legal fwiw. I ignored these letters as I thought they were bullshit and I have always paid for parking.

Today I got a claim form from the civil national business centre in Northampton, which is an official letter, asking me to defend myself or pay £300~.

The fine relates to June 2021.
I don't have an actual physical ticket as they started sending these letters around 1 year after the date.

The machine in the car park sometimes printed tickets, but sometimes it was broken, so I'm not sure a physical ticket existed, but the car park operates on cameras afaik.

Either way, I paid on the date they claimed I didn't pay(not sure this matters but the bank statement also shows I paid for parking on other dates too).

The business account I paid for the parking ticket is now closed down... BUT thankfully I do have an old bank statement from this time which shows a transaction for eurocar parks and shows I paid them on the date I was alleged to have parked for free.

Is this adequate proof? I'm not really sure what else I could show given this is now over 3 years later.

TL:DR
There is no dispute I parked in the car park on said date
Eurocar parks claim I didn't pay
Bank statement shows I did