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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Nazma Yaqoob on July 28, 2023, 03:55:32 pm

Title: Re: 34J BUS LANE WOOLWICH RD
Post by: cp8759 on October 06, 2023, 05:43:10 pm

The Greenwich (Cycleway, Bus Lanes, Prohibited Access, One-way and Prohibited Turn) Experimental Traffic Order 2023 (https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1OPY_usMAdKDi-NNfeMk6WRrrrkx3P0ot).

Title: Re: 34J BUS LANE WOOLWICH RD
Post by: cp8759 on September 01, 2023, 01:14:21 pm

Interesting FOI response (https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1ImE07L1NkM4HCkWzb8Mi3zL4pixVlmo5).

How can they prove the camera is approved, if they don't know the make and model of the camera?

Title: Re: 34J BUS LANE WOOLWICH RD
Post by: cp8759 on August 30, 2023, 11:19:06 pm

Quote from: AC89 on August 30, 2023, 01:27:33 am

Looks like you were in the bus lane at 9.33pm. The bus lane runs from 7am until 7pm (see: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4360805). I'm in a similar dispute myself with them, but going the other way

Well spotted, the signs on GSV would appear to be out of date. I've request the experimental traffic order so we can know for sure what the situation is.

In the meantime it would be helpful if someone could get a photo of the sign.

Title: Re: 34J BUS LANE WOOLWICH RD
Post by: AC89 on August 30, 2023, 01:27:33 am

Looks like you were in the bus lane at 9.33pm. The bus lane runs from 7am until 7pm (see: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4360805). I'm in a similar dispute myself with them, but going the other way

Title: Re: 34J BUS LANE WOOLWICH RD
Post by: cp8759 on August 20, 2023, 11:31:30 am

It's just an informal representation so something very basic will do:

Dear Royal Borough of Greenwich,

The alleged contravention did not occur due to inadequate signage. It follows that the penalty charge must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

Hopefully by the time you have to make formal representations, we'll have confirmation of the camera's status.

Title: Re: 34J BUS LANE WOOLWICH RD
Post by: cp8759 on July 29, 2023, 06:42:06 pm

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_xdrkoDVv8

The signage here https://goo.gl/maps/fkk1xCkbYqED9x5g9 does not comply with the traffic signs manual. Also the bus lane is interrupted by a pedestrian crossing, and it has been held that a bus lane cannot run through a pedestrian crossing as the two statutory regimes are incompatible with each other, see Neville Stanley v London Borough of Lambeth (2170474513, 01 June 2017) (http://bit.ly/2W7NO1j).

I will find out the make and model of the camera, it might not have an approval certificate.

In the meantime would you be able to go back to the location and get us some updates photos of the signage?

Title: 34J BUS LANE WOOLWICH RD
Post by: Nazma Yaqoob on July 28, 2023, 03:55:32 pm

Help with Representation for the above bus lane PCN.

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