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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Vivid23 on July 31, 2024, 12:35:46 pm

Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: Vivid23 on January 05, 2026, 12:47:54 pm
Thanks

Also got the blocked message for the above email.

<litigation@moorsidelegal.co.uk>:
550: blocked


Should I just let it be? I'm sure they've read the auto reply messages.
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: b789 on December 23, 2025, 07:32:11 pm
Send it to litigation@moorsidelegal.co.uk.

Also, make  complaint to the ICO with the following:

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I am submitting a complaint regarding Moorside Legal and their failure to provide a functional Data Protection Officer contact address as required under UK GDPR.

Moorside Legal lists help@moorsidelegal.co.uk as their Data Protection Officer contact address and as their primary contact address on their website. Independent verification confirms that this mailbox exists, is configured as a catch‑all address, and is routed through Barracuda filtering. Despite this, attempts to contact the organisation using this address result in a 550 permanent failure error stating that the recipient is blocked. This demonstrates that the mailbox is active but configured to reject inbound messages.

Because this address is the only DPO contact method published by the organisation, the rejection of inbound messages prevents me from exercising my data protection rights and prevents the organisation from meeting its obligations under Article 38(4) UK GDPR, which requires that the Data Protection Officer be easily accessible.

I request that the ICO investigate Moorside Legal’s failure to maintain a functional and accessible DPO contact address and require them to provide a working communication channel that allows data subjects to contact them without obstruction.

I can provide copies of the bounce message and verification results if required.
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: Vivid23 on December 23, 2025, 06:56:40 pm
If you got the "not monitored" response, just send it again until you don't receive the "not monitored" response:

DO NOT use their portal. Your email response to their LoC has been served on them. Send the following email:


Thanks but how many times do I do this? Because I have been doing it for a while and just got error 550: permanent failure for one or more recipients (help@moorsidelegal.co.uk:blocked)

What if I just keep getting the not monitored response?
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: b789 on December 15, 2025, 11:49:10 am
If you got the "not monitored" response, just send it again until you don't receive the "not monitored" response:

DO NOT use their portal. Your email response to their LoC has been served on them. Send the following email:

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Subject: Formal Notice – Breach of Transparency Obligations and Imminent Escalation to ICO, SRA and CMA

To: help@moorsidelegal.co.uk; dpo@apn.co.uk
Cc: enquiries@apn.co.uk; [your own  email address]

Dear Data Protection Officer,

This notice is issued to you in your statutory capacity under the UK GDPR and the Data Protection Act 2018, in relation to Moorside Legal Services Limited and the wider APN Group.

Moorside Legal’s own Privacy Notice states that any data subject wishing to exercise their rights or contact the DPO should email help@moorsidelegal.co.uk (subject heading: “Data Subject Rights – Your Name”) or write to the postal DPO address. Help@moorsidelegal.co.uk is the only email address Moorside Legal publishes for contact and it is expressly described as the DPO contact route.

Relying on that representation, a substantive response to a Moorside Legal Letter of Claim was sent to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk. That email contained personal data and clearly engaged data subject rights and pre-action obligations.

In reply, instead of engaging with the substance of the correspondence, Moorside Legal sent a boilerplate “fob-off” email stating that the mailbox is “not monitored” and attempting to force use of an online portal. This was not an automated server bounce: it was a standard template that an individual chose to send after accessing the original message. In other words, a member of your staff is monitoring incoming messages to the very address advertised as the DPO contact, reading those messages, and then sending a stock response asserting that the mailbox is “not monitored” and that the only acceptable communication route is your portal.

That is not a technical quirk; it is a deliberate policy choice designed to frustrate both data subject rights and responses to Letters of Claim.

From a technical standpoint, the position is clear. I have checked the configuration of your domain moorsidelegal.co.uk and obtained the following information:

Summary of findings
- Email addresses tested: help@moorsidelegal.co.uk; litigation@moorsidelegal.co.uk
- Status: both accepted; domain reported as catch-all
- SMTP provider: Barracuda Networks
- MX record: d238565.a.ess.uk.barracudanetworks.com
- Domain age: more than 800 days (a stable corporate domain, not newly registered)

A catch-all configuration on a Barracuda-hosted system means your server is set to accept mail for any address at moorsidelegal.co.uk and return a standard “250 OK” SMTP response, even if the individual mailbox name is not specifically configured, in order to mask mailbox validity. The tests show that both help@ and litigation@ are accepted in this way.

That behaviour may frustrate external probing of which individual mailboxes exist, but it does not alter the core legal and technical fact that once your server has accepted an email at SMTP level with a 2xx OK success code and no bounce is generated, delivery (service) into your system is complete.

What you choose to do internally with that message – including routing it to staff who then send a boilerplate “this mailbox is not monitored, use the portal” reply – does not change the reality that:

– You are in possession of the personal data.
– You are the controller responsible for handling it lawfully, fairly and transparently.
– You must not hold out help@moorsidelegal.co.uk as the DPO and data subject contact address in your Privacy Notice while instructing staff to fob people off with a knowingly misleading “not monitored” line and forcing them into a payment portal.

When you put that together:

1. Your Privacy Notice explicitly designates help@moorsidelegal.co.uk as the DPO contact for exercising rights and as your contact email generally.
2. Emails sent to that address are in fact accepted by your server, read by staff, and then met with a mendacious template claiming the mailbox is “not monitored” and that all communication must be via your portal.

Both positions cannot simultaneously be true in a way that complies with your legal obligations. Either:

– The mailbox is monitored and the “not monitored” claim is knowingly false, used to deter and obstruct data subjects and defendants from asserting their rights by email; or
– It is not monitored for DPO purposes, in which case your Privacy Notice is materially inaccurate and misleading because it advertises a non-functional route for exercising rights and contacting you.

In both scenarios, your current practice appears incompatible with:

– Article 5(1)(a) UK GDPR (lawfulness, fairness and transparency).
– Article 12 UK GDPR (duty to facilitate the exercise of data subject rights and avoid undue obstacles).
– Articles 13, 14 and 37(7) UK GDPR (duty to provide accurate, functional contact details for the controller and, where appointed, the DPO, and to enable data subjects to contact the DPO easily and directly).

It is particularly serious that you are using this “mailbox not monitored, use the portal” template specifically in response to reasoned pre-action correspondence, where the Civil Procedure Rules and the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims require meaningful engagement. Attempting to channel defendants into a payment portal while pretending that your published DPO/contact address is effectively dead is plainly calculated to frustrate both procedural fairness and statutory data protection rights.

Moorside Legal’s Privacy Notice states that Moorside Legal Services Limited “is part of the APN Group”. APN Group’s own privacy policy designates dpo@apn.co.uk as the group DPO contact. The APN Group DPO is therefore now expressly on notice that a group entity is operating a sham DPO/contact email route and using a stock “mailbox not monitored, use the portal” script in circumstances where the underlying mailbox is clearly active and handled by staff.

For the avoidance of doubt:

– Emails to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk are being accepted by your Barracuda-hosted server and are not bouncing.
– At least one such email has been opened and acted upon by staff, who chose to send the “mailbox not monitored, use the portal” template rather than deal with the content as a DPO/contact request and as pre-action correspondence.
– In those circumstances, any denial of receipt or attempt to treat emails to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk as “not valid” communications will be treated as bad-faith conduct.

You are therefore put on formal notice that:

– The burden of delivery is satisfied once your server has accepted an email at SMTP level with a 2xx “OK” status and no bounce. You cannot evade receipt by labelling the mailbox “not monitored” after staff have already accessed the message and responded with a template.
– Continuing to publish help@moorsidelegal.co.uk as the DPO/contact address while staff send “not monitored, use the portal” replies is inherently misleading and obstructive of data subject rights and defendants’ rights.

In addition to the data protection issues, these practices will be drawn to the attention of the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) under the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act 2024 (DMCC), specifically the unfair commercial practices regime in Part 4, Chapter 1 and the banned practices set out in Schedule 20. In outline:

– You are engaging in misleading actions and omissions in relation to published contact channels and access to redress.
– You are failing to meet the requirements of professional diligence within the meaning of section 229 DMCC by maintaining a non-functional or deliberately frustrated DPO/contact route and channelling consumers exclusively into a payment-focused portal when they dispute liability.

If the CMA finds against you, consequences can include:

– Compliance directions and enforcement orders requiring changes to your practices.
– Monetary penalties of up to the higher of £300,000 or 10% of global turnover.
– Further regulatory action if systemic bad-faith conduct is identified.

I am simultaneously lodging formal complaints to:

– The Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO), for failure to meet the transparency and facilitation requirements of UK GDPR in relation to data subject communications and objections to processing; and
– The Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA), in relation to Moorside Legal Services Limited, for operating sham contact routes and frustrating written engagement in the context of pre-action debt claims, in a way that undermines access to redress and public confidence in the profession.

I therefore require the following, in writing, within one calendar month:

1. A clear statement whether help@moorsidelegal.co.uk is monitored for DPO and data subject communications. If it is monitored, you must confirm that the “mailbox not monitored, use the portal” template will be withdrawn immediately and that all future emails sent in reliance on your Privacy Notice will be treated as valid data subject and pre-action communications. If it is not monitored, you must confirm that your Privacy Notice will be corrected immediately and that a functional DPO email address will be published and properly monitored.

2. Confirmation that the specific email sent in response to your Letter of Claim (to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk) has been retrieved, placed on the relevant file, and is being treated both as a valid data subject communication (including an objection to processing and request for restriction) and as formal pre-action correspondence under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

3. Details of the concrete steps you will take, and deadlines for implementation, to ensure that all published DPO and contact addresses (including those in Moorside and APN privacy notices) are truthful, functional, properly monitored, and not undermined by staff being instructed to send “not monitored, use the portal” responses.

You are fully responsible for the configuration and operation of your email systems and for ensuring that your published privacy information is accurate and not misleading. This letter puts both Moorside Legal and APN Group on explicit notice that the current arrangements are being treated as deliberate obstruction and misrepresentation and that the regulators are being asked to investigate and, where appropriate, sanction that conduct.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your address]
[Relevant references: PCN/Moorside ref]
Here are the three complaint templates you can use in parallel (ICO, SRA, CMA).

ICO complaint template (email/text to paste into ICO form). You’ll usually use the ICO’s online form, but this is the narrative you can paste in:

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Subject: Complaint against Moorside Legal Services Ltd – Non-functional DPO email and obstruction of data subject rights

I wish to complain about the handling of personal data and data subject communications by:

Moorside Legal Services Limited
Part of the APN Group
Email as published in their privacy notice: help@moorsidelegal.co.uk

Moorside Legal’s Privacy Notice states that any data subject wishing to exercise their rights or contact the DPO should email help@moorsidelegal.co.uk (with the subject “Data Subject Rights – Your Name”) or write to a given postal address. help@moorsidelegal.co.uk is the only published email address.

Relying on that notice, I have sent a detailed response to a Letter of Claim to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk. Those emails contain personal data and clearly engage data subject rights (objection to processing, restriction, rectification) and pre-action obligations.

The firm replied not with a substantive answer, but with a boilerplate “fob-off” email stating that the mailbox is “not monitored” and that all contact must instead go through their online portal, which is presented as a payment/“customer” portal. This reply was not an automated bounce. It was a standard template that a staff member chose to send after accessing the original email.

I have also tested the technical configuration of their domain, moorsidelegal.co.uk. Both help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and litigation@moorsidelegal.co.uk are accepted by their Barracuda-hosted catch-all mail server (MX: d238565.a.ess.uk.barracudanetworks.com). The server returns a normal "250 OK" SMTP response and no bounce is generated. That means the emails are being delivered into Moorside Legal’s system, and at least a subset of them is being read by staff.

In practice, this means:

• Moorside publish help@moorsidelegal.co.uk as the DPO/contact email in their privacy notice.
• Emails sent to that address are accepted and read.
• Staff then send a template claiming the mailbox is “not monitored” and instructing individuals to use a payment portal instead.

Either the mailbox is monitored, in which case the “not monitored” wording is knowingly false and deters people from using their rights by email, or it is not properly monitored, in which case the privacy notice is materially inaccurate and misleading.

In my view this breaches:

• Article 5(1)(a) UK GDPR – lack of fairness and transparency.
• Article 12 UK GDPR – failure to facilitate the exercise of data subject rights and placing undue obstacles in the way.
• Articles 13, 14 and 37(7) UK GDPR – inaccurate and non-functional DPO/contact details, and failure to ensure the DPO can be contacted easily and directly.

It is particularly concerning that this behaviour occurs in the context of debt collection and pre-action letters before claim, where individuals are already under pressure and need a clear route to assert their rights and correct their data.

What I am asking the ICO to do:

• Investigate whether Moorside Legal and APN Group are complying with Articles 5, 12, 13, 14 and 37–39 UK GDPR in relation to the help@moorsidelegal.co.uk address and their handling of data subject communications.
• Require them to either:
– make help@moorsidelegal.co.uk a genuinely monitored DPO/contact address and stop sending “not monitored, use the portal” replies; or
– amend their privacy notice and publish a functional DPO email address that is properly monitored.
• Require them to treat emails already sent to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk as valid data subject communications and pre-action correspondence and to confirm this to affected individuals.

I attach:
• A copy of their privacy notice extract showing help@moorsidelegal.co.uk as the DPO/contact email.
• A copy of my original email to that address.
• The boilerplate “mailbox not monitored, use the portal” response.
SRA complaint template (Moorside’s conduct as a firm). Email to report@sra.org.uk and CC yourself:

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Subject: Complaint about Moorside Legal Services Ltd – Obstructive contact practices and misuse of “not monitored” email in debt claims

I wish to complain about the conduct of:

Moorside Legal Services Limited
SRA number: 8006077

Moorside Legal act as solicitors in bulk debt recovery/parking charge litigation. Their Privacy Notice states that data subjects and clients should contact their Data Protection Officer via help@moorsidelegal.co.uk. This is also the only email address they publish for contact.

When a consumer/defendant replies by email to a Letter Before Claim (e.g. to set out a defence, raise issues under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, or exercise data rights), Moorside Legal do not engage with the contents. Instead, after a delay, they send a boilerplate response stating that the mailbox is “not monitored” and instructing the individual to use their online portal or telephone number. This is not an automatic server reply; it is a template a member of staff sends after reading the email.

Technical checks show that their Barracuda mail server accepts emails to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and litigation@moorsidelegal.co.uk with a normal "250 OK" response and no bounce. At least some emails are clearly being read, because staff then send the “not monitored, use the portal” template in response.

The effect is that:

• A published email route for serious pre-action correspondence is, in practice, converted into a dead-end.
• Defendants who try to comply with the Pre-Action Protocol in writing are fobbed off and pushed into a payment portal instead.
• The public-facing privacy notice and “contact us” information are inconsistent with the reality of how the firm actually handles incoming emails.

In my view, this undermines:

• The proper administration of justice and compliance with the Civil Procedure Rules and Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.
• Public trust and confidence in the solicitors’ profession, because a regulated firm is using a sham contact route and a standard script to frustrate written engagement.
• Basic standards of honesty and integrity – either the email address is monitored and the “not monitored” claim is untrue, or the privacy notice is materially misleading.

I ask the SRA to consider whether Moorside Legal’s conduct is compatible with the SRA Principles and Codes of Conduct, in particular the duties:

• To act in a way that upholds public trust and confidence in the solicitors’ profession.
• To act with honesty and integrity.
• To behave in a way that maintains the trust the public places in solicitors when handling disputes and pre-action correspondence.

I attach:

• Moorside’s privacy notice extract showing help@moorsidelegal.co.uk as the DPO/contact email.
• A copy of a reasoned email response to a Letter Before Claim sent to that address.
• Moorside’s “this mailbox is not monitored, use the portal” reply.
CMA/Trading Standards complaint template (DMCC 2024) which you email to general.enquiries@cma.gov.uk and CC yourself:

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Subject: Complaint about Moorside Legal Services Ltd – Unfair commercial practice under DMCC 2024 (obstructed contact channels and sham DPO email)

I wish to report a business-to-consumer practice which I believe breaches the unfair commercial practices provisions in Chapter 1 of Part 4 of the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act 2024 (DMCC).

Trader: Moorside Legal Services Limited (part of APN Group)
Sector: Legal services / debt recovery / private parking claims

Moorside Legal pursue private individuals for alleged parking charges and send Letters Before Claim. Their Privacy Notice tells consumers and data subjects to contact their Data Protection Officer at help@moorsidelegal.co.uk – this is also their only published email address.

When a consumer replies to a Letter Before Claim by email to that address (for example, to dispute the debt, challenge the claim or correct their data), Moorside Legal do not deal with the contents. Instead they send a standard “this mailbox is not monitored – please use our portal” response and attempt to divert the consumer into a payment-oriented online portal.

This response is not an automated server bounce. It is a boilerplate email sent by staff after reading the original message. Technical checks on their Barracuda-hosted mail server show that emails to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and litigation@moorsidelegal.co.uk are accepted with a "250 OK" SMTP status and no bounce, so messages are reaching their system and being processed.

In practice, this means:

• Moorside Legal advertise an email address as the route to contact them and their DPO, but then treat written correspondence sent to that address as if it were invalid.
• They use a template to claim the mailbox is “not monitored” and funnel consumers into a portal that is clearly designed around payment rather than dispute resolution.
• Consumers trying to exercise statutory rights or respond properly to a Letter Before Claim are obstructed and channelled towards paying instead of being allowed to use a clear written route.

I believe this behaviour falls within the unfair commercial practices regime because:

• It is at least a contravention of the requirements of professional diligence under section 229 DMCC – falling short of the standard of skill and care reasonably expected of a trader dealing with consumers in a debt-claim context, and not commensurate with honest market practice or the general principle of good faith.
• It may also amount to misleading actions or omissions, because the published contact details suggest consumers can use email to exercise their rights and engage with the trader, whereas in reality those emails are dismissed and they are pushed into a portal.
• It is likely to cause the average consumer to make a transactional decision they would not otherwise have made – in particular, to use the portal in the belief that it is the only valid channel, to prioritise payment over dispute, or to abandon attempts to challenge the claim because the advertised contact route proves to be a sham.

I ask that this practice be investigated as a potential unfair commercial practice under the DMCC 2024, with a view to:

• Requiring Moorside Legal to provide functional, monitored contact details that match their privacy notices and letters.
• Preventing them from using a “mailbox not monitored, use the portal” script in response to legitimate dispute correspondence.
• Considering enforcement measures and penalties if systemic unfair practices are established.

I attach:

• Screenshots/extracts from Moorside Legal’s privacy notice (help@moorsidelegal.co.uk as DPO/contact email).
• Copy of a Letter Before Claim.
• Copy of an email response sent to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk.
• Moorside’s “mailbox not monitored, use the portal” reply.
Use this image as the evidence of their Data Protection email address from their Privacy Notice:

(https://i.ibb.co/R47zCqC4/Screenshot-2025-12-08-at-10-38-34.png)
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: Vivid23 on December 15, 2025, 11:48:36 am
why are all the images now not available??

Think they deleted them for some reason.

They show a vehicle parked in a bay with no marking being double parked (it looks to be a really wide bay), building works over lapping one of the white lines, and the driver in the vehicle in one of the photos.

I also posted a photo the driver took of the rat taking photos from inside his car, whilst they were sat in it (driver suspected some illegal activity not knowing about parking companies behaviour). The photo also shows an empty car park with hundreds of spaces. They cannot claim any loss of income should it go to court. Ill try to upload them when I get a chance.
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: Vivid23 on December 15, 2025, 11:42:36 am
Is this another LoC from Moorside or a different bulk litigator? Or, was it just a debt collection letter, which does not need responding to?

This is a second LoC from Moorside legal.

The first was letter of claim with a breakdown of "costs"

This was a short letter before claim with the short text I stated above saying I owe 170 for an unpaid invoice..

Is this unusual?

I also got an autoreply from them saying the inbox is not monitored from my email.
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: mickR on December 15, 2025, 10:50:04 am
why are all the images now not available??
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: b789 on December 15, 2025, 10:36:24 am
Is this another LoC from Moorside or a different bulk litigator? Or, was it just a debt collection letter, which does not need responding to?
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: Vivid23 on December 14, 2025, 10:02:03 pm
The letter before claim says "Our client has instructed us to collect the outstanding balance on their behalf. We are a law firm regulated by  the Solicitors Regulation Authority.

You owe £170.00 for an unpaid invoice" Then goes on about "we're here to help to avoid court action"


This is what I sent in response, thanks @b789

Subject: Response to your Letter of Claim – Ref: [reference number]

Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of the evidence your client intends to rely upon. It is therefore non‑compliant with the Pre‑Action Protocol for Debt Claims (PAPDC). As a supposed firm of solicitors, one would expect you to comply with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions exist to facilitate informed, proportionate resolution, and I suggest you reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre‑Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), require each party to exchange sufficient information to understand the other’s position. Part 6 clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute. Your template letter refers to a “contract” yet encloses none. That omission undermines the very basis upon which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It is not possible to engage in any form of meaningful pre‑litigation dialogue while you refuse to furnish the documents you purport to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with paragraph 3.1(a), I shall seek advice and submit a full response within 30 days. Accordingly, please now provide:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper and the full notice chain relied upon to assert any alleged PoFA 2012 liability.
2. An actual photograph of the sign(s) in situ on the material date (not stock images), together with a contemporaneous site map showing sign locations.
3. The precise wording of the contractual term(s) your client alleges were breached.
4. The written agreement between your client and the landowner evidencing authority to manage, enforce and litigate in their own name.
5. A clear breakdown of the sums claimed, identifying whether the principal amount is alleged consideration or damages, and clarifying the legal basis and VAT position of the £70 add‑on.

These documents are required under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction to enable me to meet my obligation under paragraph 6(b).

Your letter’s attempt at intimidation

I also note that your accompanying schedule manages to refer to a “CCJ” four times, in what is clearly intended as a coercive device rather than legitimate legal information. The repetition is telling: it demonstrates not confidence in your client’s position, but reliance on fear as a substitute for substance.

To be clear: I am fully aware that a County Court Judgment only arises after your client wins a claim (which is unlikely on the facts), and even then, any judgment paid within one calendar month is removed from the register and has no impact on credit. Your overuse of the term “CCJ” is therefore not only pointless but improper.

Your firm is on notice that this conduct will now be reported to:
• the Solicitors Regulation Authority, for use of misleading and oppressive tactics contrary to the SRA Code of Conduct; and
• the Competition and Markets Authority, under the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act 2024, given the statutory prohibition on coercive and misleading commercial practices.

If you proceed to issue a claim without first providing the documents and information required under the PAPDC and Pre‑Action Conduct, I will draw your non‑compliance to the Court’s attention and seek appropriate sanctions, including a stay and case‑management orders pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction. Any unreasonable conduct by you or your client will be relied upon in support of an application for costs.

For the avoidance of doubt, I will not engage with any web portal. I will respond only via email or post.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: Vivid23 on December 14, 2025, 04:53:11 pm
@Vivid23, I see you’ve posted all about this over on MSE today. Any response to the advice already given here?

Hi


I received a letter of claim in Feb 2025 to which I replied with:

___________________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Letter of Claim
I refer to your Letter of Claim.

I confirm that my address for service at this time is as follows, and I request that any outdated address be erased from your records to ensure compliance with data protection obligations:

**Confirmed address

Please note that the alleged debt is disputed, and any court proceedings will be robustly defended.

I note that the sum claimed has been increased by an excessive and unjustifiable amount, which appears contrary to the principles established by the Government, who described such practices as “extorting money from motorists.” Please refrain from sending boilerplate responses or justifications regarding this issue.

Under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, I require specific answers to the following questions:

1. Does the additional £60 represent what you describe as a “Debt Recovery” fee? If so, is this figure net of or inclusive of VAT? If inclusive, I trust you will explain why I, as the alleged debtor, am being asked to cover your client’s VAT liability.

2. Regarding the principal sum of the alleged Parking Charge Notice (PCN): Is this being claimed as damages for breach of contract, or will it be pleaded as consideration for a purported parking contract?

3. Please state clearly and unequivocally which specific term(s) of the alleged parking contract the driver is alleged to have breached, along with evidence of how these terms were communicated to the driver. Failure to provide such information will demonstrate that your claim is vague, baseless, and bound to fail.

I would caution you against simply dismissing these questions with vague or boilerplate responses, as I am fully aware of the implications. By claiming that PCNs are exempt from VAT while simultaneously inflating the debt recovery element, your client – with your assistance – appears to be evading VAT obligations due to HMRC. Such mendacious conduct raises serious questions about the legality and ethics of your practices.

Further, it is embarrassing – legally speaking – that a so-called firm of legal professionals cannot see that this claim is fundamentally flawed and bound to fail. Your failure to include any mention of the contractual term the defendant is alleged to have breached demonstrates a lack of intelligence, diligence, or both.

The fact that your Letter of Claim and prior correspondence rely on vague and boilerplate assertions without clearly stating the basis of liability is not only procedurally improper but demonstrates disdain for the court process and the legal profession. As legal representatives, you are officers of the court and have a duty to uphold the integrity of the legal process, which includes ensuring that claims are founded on a proper legal and factual basis. Your failure to identify the specific contractual term allegedly breached is evidence of a serious deficiency in process and reflects a disregard for your obligations under the Civil Procedure Rules (CPR), particularly CPR 1.3, which requires legal representatives to assist the court in furthering the overriding objective of dealing with cases justly and proportionately.

The Letter of Claim itself serves as evidence of your failure to act as officers of the court, as you ought to know that presenting a claim without revealing the specific contractual term allegedly breached is not only deficient but also an abuse of process. This conduct undermines the principles of fair litigation and brings the legal profession into disrepute. By issuing vague and unsupported claims as part of a bulk litigation model, you fail to discharge your responsibilities to the court and instead demonstrate a willingness to pursue meritless claims in the hope of coercing payment.

I will not hesitate to bring these deficiencies to the court’s attention as part of a robust defence. Furthermore, I will formally request that the court impose appropriate sanctions against both the claimant and you as their legal representatives. This may include cost penalties and/or referrals to the relevant regulatory authorities for conduct that fails to meet the standards expected of officers of the court.

I strongly advise your client to cease and desist. Should this matter proceed to court, you can be assured that these issues will be brought to the court’s attention, alongside a robust defence and potentially a counterclaim for unreasonable conduct. If you, as the recipient of this letter, are not fully legally trained, I suggest you escalate this correspondence to a senior colleague or someone within your firm who is adequately qualified to understand the serious consequences of failing to address the deficiencies in your client’s claim and the professional obligations imposed upon you as officers of the court.

Yours faithfully,
**Name here

___________________________________

Their response was:

Our client: Parking Control Management UK Limited

We write further to your recent email.

Our answers to your questions are as follows:

The additional charge which has been levied on your Parking Charge of £70 is the amount set out in both the British Parking Association and International Parking Community Codes of Practice as the amount which may be added to a Parking Charge when a Parking Charge remains unpaid and when further recovery is required. Our Client adheres to the ATA’s Code of Practice. The £70 does not represent the cost of recovery but is a reasonable amount in relation to the Parking Charge amount, in order to encourage early payment of the Parking Charge without the need for debt recovery. It is a fair amount set by our Client’s government-approved Accredited Trade Association Code of Practice. There are however also costs incurred by our client in relation to debt recovery services.

By entering and parking the vehicle on our client's private land, you agreed to enter into a contract with our client and to be bound by the terms and conditions of that contract. The terms and conditions were clearly displayed at the entrance and in prominent places within the car park. Due to your failure to comply with the terms and conditions, our client has issued the PCN therefore if we are instructed to issue a claim the reason would be for Unpaid parking charges/ breach of contract.

This Parking Charge Notice relates to a contravention at Royale Leisure Park - W3 for "Parked outside of the confines of a marked bay" ****date here

The terms and conditions were clearly displayed in and around our client's private premises. When remaining on the premises, all motorists must choose to abide by them. However, on this occasion you failed to do so.

Please find attached your vehicle in clear breach of the terms and conditions.

Please note that we will not be addressing any further correspondence related to disputes of the same nature, as we have already provided you with a response. However, should you wish to raise a new dispute, we will investigate the matter further and respond accordingly.
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If you fail to make full payment or set up a payment plan, we may be instructed to issue a County Court Claim against you. 
You may wish to seek legal independent advice.
Yours sincerely
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Now I have received a letter before claim. Should I just use another template you've kindly recommended to some on the forum?
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: b789 on August 27, 2024, 03:43:01 pm
@Vivid23, I see you’ve posted all about this over on MSE today. Any response to the advice already given here?
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: Vivid23 on August 19, 2024, 09:31:42 pm
They could show a photo of the bay but all they will have is what is on the file which you have seen only shows the vehicle for less than a minute is what appears to be a bay with no bother ground markings to suggest otherwise.

It doesn’t matter anyway because you appeal as the keeper. You are under no legal obligation to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company. They cannot hold the keeper, you, liable because they have not fully complied with all the requirements of PoFA. They have nowhere else to go with this except to try and scare you into paying them.

If it went all the way to court (unlikely but possible) and a judge did not accept your defence and that you owe the claimant a debt, it would be the original PCN of £100 plus a £35 claim fee and fixed legal costs of £50. They would not allow the fake added “damages” of £70 they add on at DRA stage.

In the remote chance of a loss in court, as long as the CCJ is paid in full within 28 days, there is no record of anything on your credit file. It is expunged.

These shysters rely on the gullibility of their victims lack of knowledge of civil law to either capitulate once the threat of litigation arises or hope that the victim fails to follow the correct procedures and they get a CCJ by default.

Thank you.

They responded to my appeal and of course rejected. Even in the appeal they said bay marked by the following things... And there is none of those in the images they have. Should I bother to appeal to the IAS or just wait it out from now?

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hope that the victim fails to follow the correct procedures and they get a CCJ by default.
A brief add-on to this - if you move house before the matter is concluded, be sure to update them with your new address. When we do see people who have ended up with default judgements against them, the lion's share are due to changes of address.

Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: DWMB2 on August 01, 2024, 10:13:10 pm
hope that the victim fails to follow the correct procedures and they get a CCJ by default.
A brief add-on to this - if you move house before the matter is concluded, be sure to update them with your new address. When we do see people who have ended up with default judgements against them, the lion's share are due to changes of address.
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: b789 on August 01, 2024, 09:44:46 pm
They could show a photo of the bay but all they will have is what is on the file which you have seen only shows the vehicle for less than a minute is what appears to be a bay with no bother ground markings to suggest otherwise.

It doesn’t matter anyway because you appeal as the keeper. You are under no legal obligation to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company. They cannot hold the keeper, you, liable because they have not fully complied with all the requirements of PoFA. They have nowhere else to go with this except to try and scare you into paying them.

If it went all the way to court (unlikely but possible) and a judge did not accept your defence and that you owe the claimant a debt, it would be the original PCN of £100 plus a £35 claim fee and fixed legal costs of £50. They would not allow the fake added “damages” of £70 they add on at DRA stage.

In the remote chance of a loss in court, as long as the CCJ is paid in full within 28 days, there is no record of anything on your credit file. It is expunged.

These shysters rely on the gullibility of their victims lack of knowledge of civil law to either capitulate once the threat of litigation arises or hope that the victim fails to follow the correct procedures and they get a CCJ by default.
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: Vivid23 on August 01, 2024, 07:47:50 pm

Wow I can see why the forum tagged you as a hero member. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to give me such informative, useful information.

Regarding the point that there is no bay markings, could they counter by taking a photo of the bay white line with my car not there? Or does only the photos in the proof images count?

To the note that if it goes to the judge and there will be 200 in PCN fees + fixed costs. What are the estimated fixed costs going to be if you know? Sucks that the appeal is futile and that there is a body also protecting them when escalating the appeal.
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: b789 on August 01, 2024, 12:48:20 pm
All those photos show is a vehicle in a bay with no ground markings taken over the span of less than a minute.

The NtK is not PoFA compliant. It fails on 9(2)(e)(i) and (ii) in that there is no invitation (nor any synonym of the word) for the keeper to pay the charge and it also fails to tell the keeper to pass the NtK to the driver.

The NtK also fails PoFA on 9(2)(a) in that it does not specify a period of parking. It simply specifies a moment in time.

On that basis, the keeper cannot be liable for the charge, only the driver whose identity is unknown to PCM. Additionally, there is no evidence of any contravention as the vehicle appears to be within a bay. There are no markings to indicate that the location is not a bay or that it is an area that is not available for parking.

The evidence does not show that the driver did not consider any signage as it is evident that the driver is still in the vehicle over the period of less than a minute. So it breaches the new joint CoP at 2.24, 5.1, 7.3c and Annex B.

Unfortunately, this is an IPC operator so, once the initial appeal is rejected (it will be) a secondary appeal to the IAS is an exercise in futility. Others will advise otherwise but personally, I wouldn't bother.

What you want is to see if they have the bottle to take it all the way to the ultimate dispute resolution service, the small claims track in the county court. You would be waiting to see if/when they decide to issue a claim. If they do, that is good and is when you will win this. There is no danger of a CCJ.

In the meantime, they will be sending useless debt collector letters hoping that you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree and will capitulate and pay up once they use language that threatens litigation. You want that, they don’t because they know that if it ever got that far, they would get a spanking from a judge.

The choice is yours, appeal as the keeper with the points highlighted above and see it rejected and then do or don’t try an IAS appeal which has a les than 5% chance of being accepted and/or wait for a Letter of Claim (LoC) and an N1SDT claim form from the CNBC.

Edited to add a health warning: There is a minuscule chance that if this ever actually got to a hearing and a judge did not accept your defence, you could be liable for ~£200 in total for the PCN and fixed costs. However, it is extremely unlikely that this would ever get to an actual hearing with the highly likelyhood of the operator having their claim struck out or them discontinuing once they realise you are not gullible and are prepared to take this all the way.

Once they have actually pay a hearing fee, they will abandon and go looking for lower hanging fruit on the gullible tree
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: Vivid23 on August 01, 2024, 11:23:00 am
If no error in the letter. Do I have a case due to the counter points mentioned?

-Tyre not wholly over the white line, still partially on white line. I wasn't parked "outside of the confines if im still making contact"
-Present in vehicle and that is visible in 3 of the photos
-Cannot park fully to other side as repair works, tyre hit the metal gate concrete block. Isn't enforcement of the bay subject to minimum parking bay standards, its too small to park wholly within...

Letter

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Links to all photos on the portal

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Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: Vivid23 on July 31, 2024, 10:15:09 pm
Please show us the NtKand any evidential photos they have provided. Just because the NtK arrived within 14 days of the event is not proof that they have complied with all the requirements of PoFA to be able to hold the keeper liable.

Leave all dates and times showing.

ok I will send letter and all the photos they uploaded tomorrow.
Title: Re: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: b789 on July 31, 2024, 09:00:38 pm
Please show us the NtKand any evidential photos they have provided. Just because the NtK arrived within 14 days of the event is not proof that they have complied with all the requirements of PoFA to be able to hold the keeper liable.

Leave all dates and times showing.
Title: Parking control management PCN- Confines of a marked bay
Post by: Vivid23 on July 31, 2024, 12:35:46 pm
Hello,

I am the registered keeper of a vehicle that received a PCN from parking control management for “parked outside the confines of a marked bay”. Parking charge to keeper. Received within 14 days of “offence”

Driver story is as they entered this section of the car park, where they park 4-5 times a week, they noticed a man on a bicycle checking car door handles, and picking up old cigarettes and what not. Fearing for the safety of the vehicle, the driver observed the person in this section of the parking lot in the corner of the lot before committing to leave the vehicle there. Whilst in the vehicle, the driver noticed someone in a car taking photos of the driver, thinking he was with the dodgy looking person as it is an odd thing to do. So the driver took photos of him.

Little did the driver know he was taking evidence for a fine!

Do I have any grounds for appeal given that:
1. Driver was present in the vehicle when photos were taken, with proof of the pcm worker. In one of their photos on the online portal, a person can be seen in driver seat.
2. Driver drove off a few minutes after the photos
3. The bay next to the Driver has building works so impossible to park in and not usable for another customer. Also passenger cannot exit vehicle.
4. The white lines are not visible beneath the car.

Thanks all.

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