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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Jag84 on July 21, 2024, 12:43:08 am

Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on December 17, 2024, 03:59:36 pm
Civil Mediation Service complaints (https://civilmediation.org/complaints/#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20a%20complaint,the%20grounds%20set%20out%20below.)

To complain about a mediator or mediation provider in the small claims mediation service, you can:

First, complain to the mediator or provider

If you're not satisfied with the outcome, you can refer the complaint to the Civil Mediation Council (CMC)

Complaints must be in writing and addressed to the CMC at complaints@civilmediation.org

The CMC will send you a complaint form to complete and return

The CMC can only consider complaints about members of the CMC. You must submit your complaint within one month of the mediator or provider's consideration of the complaint, and within six months of the events that led to the complaint.

You can also contact the National Mediation Helpline (NMH) by: Phone: 0845 60 30 809, Fax: 0845 083 3001, and Website: www.nationalmediationhelpline.com.

This is what it is supposed to be about:

https://youtu.be/Fm4hjpA72vA
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on December 17, 2024, 03:46:58 pm
A formal complaint should be made about the mediators behaviour. The mediator is not legally trained and has zero idea of how a judge would consider the facts.

You should find out whether the mediators call is recorded and obtain a copy of it, or at least a transcript of it. This is a serious matter.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on December 17, 2024, 02:55:23 pm
Ok just an update and slight disappointment

My daughter took the call as I was at work and I told her not to offer anything. The mediator piled the pressure on her and warned her its going to cost you alot and  if you go to court and lose its going to be very expensive. He also said  they have all the evidence to convict. At this point she got a bit frightened and offered £30. In the middle of the call she rang me and I was a bit disappointed she offered them money. He then came back and said they will to go down to something like £500. At this point having offered money I told her do not offer anymore. They then dropped to £400 then £300 and it continued to drop until eventually they agreed to £30.

Bit disappointed but just a warning to everyone else  the mediator was anything but impartial and was very much using scare tactics. I think had we offered initially £10 they would have eventually accepted it 

Thanks to everyone for your help and apologies that we didnt hold firm and tripped up just before the finishing line. Just be aware the mediator from our experience was very much on the other side
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: DWMB2 on September 30, 2024, 10:31:53 am
Tell your wife to stop being so silly.
Let's play nicely folks. We know the process is nothing to fear, but for those doing this for the first time it's easy to see how the prospect of a telephone meeting between a mediator and a legal rep might seem daunting.

OP - reassure your wife as per the rest of b789's message that the mediation call is neither anything scary, or anything that'll have any impact on the progression of the case. She turns up, states when asked that she does not believe she owes the claimant anything, and is accordingly unwilling to offer them anything. Don't move from that position - job done.

The only thing "mandatory" about it is the requirement to "attend" the call.
Thanks for the clarification - I perhaps wasn't as clear as I ought to have been, I realise one is not required to make any concessions, merely that the process now requires that a call takes place where it was previously optional.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on September 30, 2024, 10:20:55 am
Tell your wife to stop being so silly. Mediation is nothing to do with the overall legal process. There is no judge or lawyers involved. The mediator is simply someone who has had a days training on how to "mediate" by phone between the parties. They have no legal authority to order anything.

DO NOT tell anyone to offer ANYTHING. What an absurd idea. Offer £0 and the whole thing will be over in less than 5 minutes.

The only "legal" requirement is to "attend" the call. There is no legal obligation to agree to anything. By having "attended" the call, nothing else is required.

I really fail to understand peoples misplaced fears about this part of the process. The mediation is NOT a trial. It is simply an unnecessary waste of everyone's time because it serves no purpose in cases like these.

So, if your wife is the defendant in the case, she must be the person "attending" the call. If she is so petrified about it and you think your daughter can handle it as her mother, then make sure that she simply offers £0.

Realistically, nothing will happen even if your wife doesn't "attend" the call. Just last week, ParkingEye failed to "attend" a call and the whole procedure simply moved on to the next stage with no repercussions.



Others will correct me if I'm wrong (mediation was still optional last time I personally went through the process) but I believe the defendant has to attend the mediation call.
Any claim issued since 22nd May 2024 includes a mandatory mediation call. The only thing "mandatory" about it is the requirement to "attend" the call. There is no requirement to participate in the mediation process. Not participating in the mediation process carries no ramifications. The call was "attended" and that's it.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: DWMB2 on September 30, 2024, 10:09:39 am
Others will correct me if I'm wrong (mediation was still optional last time I personally went through the process) but I believe the defendant has to attend the mediation call.

If you offer £30 there's every chance it'll be accepted, as it's £30 more than they normally get if a defendant stands their ground and defends the charge. If it was me in your position, I'd carry on until the end having gone to all this effort already, but it is your choice.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on September 30, 2024, 09:57:17 am
We have to do mediation this tomorrow however my wife is too nervous to do it and I'm not allowed to receive phone calls from work so my daughter will take the call

 Any does or don'ts we shud b aware off ?

I told my daughter if they ask are you willing to settle at any price offer them £30 but also mention it is simply to end the issue we don't accept blame.

Are they likely to ask why we not paying ? Any particular reasons we shud give ?

Thanks for any assistance
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: joseph1994859 on September 11, 2024, 08:17:23 pm
A pragmatic interpretation that I hadn’t considered.

The CPR leaves a lot to be desired in many aspects including many outside parking litigation.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on September 11, 2024, 04:43:15 pm
That is because the claimant cannot attach copies of the contract when making a claim using MCOL. However, if CPR PD 16 requires a copy of the contract to be specified in the PoC, then additional detailed PoC must be filed separately within 14 days of the claim being made.

Then again, CPR PD 16 (7.3) is incorrect for use in the template "long" defence as it should be 7.5 that applies:

Quote
7.5 Where a claim is based upon an agreement by conduct, the particulars of claim must specify the conduct relied on and state by whom, when and where the acts constituting the conduct were done.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: joseph1994859 on September 11, 2024, 04:22:11 pm
As a side note, to the advice I've seen on this thread (and others) providing a pro forma defence which has a pleading that CPR PD 16 (7.3) hasn't been complied with; it should be noted that claims filed via MCOL are exempt from this requirement.

See CPR PD 7C (5.2A):

5.2A The requirement in paragraph 7.3 of Practice Direction 16 for documents to be attached to the particulars of contract claims does not apply to claims started using an online claim form, unless the particulars of claim are served separately in accordance with paragraph 5.2 of this practice direction.

Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on September 11, 2024, 01:23:00 am
You can try and save the PDF locally on your computer and the just use some pdf editing software to add your signature over the box.

If you’re an Apple user I can advise.

Simply typing your name is acceptable as a signature.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on September 10, 2024, 07:15:18 pm
I've received the N180 form now from the courts but I have already filled out the PDF from the link sent. Is electronically signing the PDF OK or does it need to be by hand and then scan the document ?


Issue I am facing is when I try to electronically sign it am not able to  inside the sign box on the form it blanks out the signature only outside of the box it appears
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on September 04, 2024, 12:22:53 pm
It can take up to several months. Patience is the order of the day. You can keep checking your MCOL history as it will update with the date they send you the N180.

In the meantime, you can simply download your own N180 DQ (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66a8b019ce1fd0da7b592f43/N180_0724.pdf), complete it online and have it ready to send as a PDF attachment to an email when you see notification that one has been sent to you.

In case you don't receive it for any reason, if the MCOL history shows that the claimant has submitted theirs, you can then simply send yours to dq.cnbc@justuce,gov.uk and to the claimants silicitor and CC in yourself.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on September 04, 2024, 12:18:08 pm
I haven't received any email or post asking me to fill out N180 form from courts

Any ideas how long they usually take ?
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on August 24, 2024, 05:28:04 pm
You would have to attend, if it ever gets as far as a hearing. So, you would be the only witness.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on August 24, 2024, 04:28:06 pm
Apologies in advance if this is a stupid question but would anyone need to attend from my side, can I just put in zero witnesses ?


I assumed this would be done without anyone needing to be present but I noticed the Claimant in his form has put down 1 witness attending from their side
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on August 23, 2024, 06:58:59 pm
What you have above is fine to send.

Only any witnesses, including you, who are going to attend is required. Why do you need your wife to attend? If you need any evidence from her, you can just submit a written Witnes statement from her.

The only reason the question is asked on the form is so they canspssigne a room big enough to accommodate everyone.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on August 23, 2024, 05:02:00 pm
I hope the above is OK if not please could you let me know ?



A further question regarding the N180 form


In section F3 it asks how many witnesses will give evidence on your behalf at the hearing. Does that mean my wife will have to attend the hearing ?
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on August 22, 2024, 09:46:16 pm
When you say "You can also include the draft order" ....... do you mean the "Defence Order" ?


Is the below email response  adequate ?


"Dear Sir


I attach the completed DQ  as well as the "Defence Order" which I also sent in my initial email with my "Defence"

Bearing in mind the contents of the defence I would strongly suggest that the judge makes the attached order,  in support of which I also attach transcripts of two cases which support the proposition that the judge should make the order I suggest”.


Yours sincerely

Signed"

Attach to email DQ, Defence Order, the two transcripts........ Haven't attached the Defence document do I need to ?
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on August 22, 2024, 07:36:14 pm
You now wait for your own N180 Directions Questionnaire. You can check your claim history on MCOL which will say when it was sent to you. You can download one in preparation and complete it ready to email to the court and the claimants solicitor.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66a8b019ce1fd0da7b592f43/N180_0724.pdf

It is fairly straightforward. You are the defendant and only you are a witness. Mediation is now compulsory but is only a telephone call and you simply tell the mediator that you are not prepared to offer anything. Over and done with in 5 minutes.

When you submit the DQ, it is sent as a pdf attachment to an email. You send it to both the claimants solicitor and the CNBC DQ.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. As with the defence, you should get an auto-response from the CNBC within a few minutes.

You can also include the draft order together with the following transcripts and a very short covering letter stating:

“Bearing in mind the contents of the defence I would strongly suggest that the judge makes the attached order in support of which I also attach transcripts of two cases which support the proposition that the judge should make the order I suggest”.


CPM v Akande transcript (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y631olc61z1slr6xfrdsk/CPM-v-AKANDE.pdf?rlkey=kltpojedcxiwarxr0sdfyjo05&dl=0)

CEL v Chan transcript (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/xy54utt9djv55xitfp7lk/CEL-appeal-transcript.pdf?rlkey=304syf9czf5arl3i1u1ircjln&dl=0)
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on August 22, 2024, 06:16:34 pm
I've sent the "defence2 and "defence order" to the court and received a response from the court. They said  they have sent my defence to the claimant

I've also now received a letter from DCB saying they have reviewed my defence and have decided to continue to proceed


Below link hopefully should give you access to all the documents I sent and the responses I have received

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/zkost8ic4h2k7awgo7s02/AAL-H72pvI9Ts5LFZIp-DQU?rlkey=eptg9ea37u499vhsxrxz04f2v&st=boj13zpc&dl=0



What should I do next if anything ?

Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on August 08, 2024, 04:49:56 pm
Ok thx, so I assume I send the email to "ClaimResponses.CNBC@justice.gov.uk" ?


Anything particular I should put in the subject header of the email ? Was thinking of putting in just the claim number
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: DWMB2 on August 08, 2024, 04:30:38 pm
DO NOT file your defence using the MCOL website. Your defence will be submitted as a PDF attachment to an email.

As per the previous advice, do not submit using MCOL. Send it via email. The relevant addresses are here: New email addresses for CNBC (AoS/Defence/DQ and more) (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/new-email-addresses-for-cnbc-(aosdefencedq-and-more)/)

Using the MCOL system for the defence ruins the formatting, and doesn't allow attachments.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on August 08, 2024, 04:23:40 pm
Are there any instructions on how to do the Defence on "Money Claim" ?


I've pasted the contents of the "Defence" template under the "Defence Particulars" section and I assume this is where I should also attach the "Defence Order" ? However I can't find anything that allows me to attach a document in this section or the subsequent sections that follow

Should I just paste the "Defence Order" in "Defence Particulars" section under my Defence text ?

I've also said I'm not making a counterclaim I assume that is correct ?
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on August 08, 2024, 01:12:20 pm
Yes, just attach it. You only need to change the claimant/defendant names, claim number ad type signature and date in the defence.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on August 08, 2024, 01:03:12 pm
Ok for this new draft order template I don't need to fill anything out can just attach as is ?


https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/z8zcqfdncdoajgj4ag6a4/short-defence-orderP1.pages.pdf?rlkey=at98xmfwj0ehi3w9d0ia15ogp&e=1&dl=0

Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on August 08, 2024, 12:26:10 pm
Both of those links lead to the same document.
fixed
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: DWMB2 on August 08, 2024, 12:24:21 pm
If you haven't sent the defence yet, there are also some minor changes, in which case use the latest version which is linked below:

Short defence third person (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/e3ywca2o8vkrqxpy6bddn/Short-defence.pdf?rlkey=x1fukkeyi1w58l6x2axezmwid&dl=0)

Draft order for the short defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/e3ywca2o8vkrqxpy6bddn/Short-defence.pdf?rlkey=x1fukkeyi1w58l6x2axezmwid&dl=0)
Both of those links lead to the same document.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on August 08, 2024, 12:22:00 pm
Only the person named on the claim can respond. There is only the driver and the keeper. There is nothing to show who is the "owner" and if you look at the front of the V5C, it specifically states that it is not proof of ownership. In whose name is the claim?

There has been a slight amendment to the Draft Order which you should use as it does not require any editing.

If you haven't sent the defence yet, there are also some minor changes, in which case use the latest version which is linked below:

Short defence third person (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/e3ywca2o8vkrqxpy6bddn/Short-defence.pdf?rlkey=x1fukkeyi1w58l6x2axezmwid&dl=0)

Draft order for the short defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/z8zcqfdncdoajgj4ag6a4/short-defence-orderP1.pages.pdf?rlkey=at98xmfwj0ehi3w9d0ia15ogp&dl=0)
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on August 08, 2024, 12:17:52 pm
Apologies if this is a stupid question. For the "Draft Order" ,template below,  I put my wifes name who is the owner of the car and the claim against ?


"And then the draft order:

Before District Judge [Name] on [08-Aug-2024]"
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on July 22, 2024, 10:34:50 am
There is no need to identify the driver. As above, In whose name is the claim? That is the person that will be responding. If it is in your wife's name but you want to do all the work, that is OK but it has to be in her name.

I forgot to add to the bottom of the suggested defence the Statement of Truth which should be as follows:

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

So the defence you will be sending should look like this with the appropriate bits filled in:



IN THE COUNTY COURT

Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

[Claimant's Full Name]
Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]
Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

  (i) The contract referred to is not attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.3;

  (ii) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

  (iii) The PoC do not set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts);

  (iv) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

  (v) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated.

  (vi) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages.

  (vii) The PoC states that the Claimant is suing the defendant as the driver or the keeper. The claimant obviously knows whether the defendant is being sued as the driver or the keeper and should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action.

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which he/she/it faces and can then respond properly to the claim.

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.


Signed:


Date:

And then the draft order:

Before District Judge [Name] on [Date]

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of claim and the defence

AND the court being of the view that there is a lack of precise detail in the particulars of claim in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the defendant such that the particulars of claim do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a)

Order

1. Unless the Claimant do by 4pm on (insert a date here 14 days from typing the order) file at court a further particulars of claim which complies with CPR 16.4(1)(a) and which sets out:

(i) the precise and concise factual allegations it makes against the Defendant and

(ii) the factual or legal [or both] basis of its claim and

(iii) exactly how its claim is calculated (if there is a claim for a fixed sum)

then the claim shall be struck out.

1.    For the avoidance of doubt the further particulars of claim must refer to and have attached to them the contract (or contracts) between the claimant and defendant relied on [marked "A"] and must set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on.
2.    For the avoidance of doubt the further particulars of claim must, in respect of each and every alleged breach of contract, set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract.
3.    For the avoidance of doubt the further particulars of claim must, in respect of each and every alleged breach of contract, set out the full postal address of where the breach took place, the precise date and time of the alleged breach, and exactly how long it is alleged that the defendant had parked his/her/its/their vehicle before the parking charge was incurred
4.    For the avoidance of doubt the further particulars of claim must set out a precise calculation of any claim for statutory interest up to the date of issue to include the date when it is said that interest started running.
5.    Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay this order by an application on notice which must be filed at this Court not more than 5 days after service of this order, failing which no such application may be made.

The defence statement can be signed electronically by simply typing the full name of the defendant where it says "signature".
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: The Rookie on July 22, 2024, 10:34:34 am
No point saying who the driver is, they aren’t involved at all now.

HOWEVER if the keeper (the person named on the claim form) wasn’t driving then it’s critical to determine if the keeper can be liable at all (which needs the NTK, the first document sent to the keeper), if they failed to meet the requirements then the defendant shouldn’t not be found liable at all.

While you ignored, you did at least hopefully keep the documents alleging a debt? And yes ignoring is bad advice, especially if it means then ignoring the formal letter before claim.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: DWMB2 on July 22, 2024, 09:52:01 am
Who is the claim against? Whoever is named on the claim form is the defendant, and they are the one who must defend the claim.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on July 22, 2024, 09:25:30 am
Thank you

The car is under my wifes name , when I do the above should I do it under my wifes account or can I do it under mine ?


Should it be under the drivers account ? Any issues declaring at this point who the driver was to you guys on this forum ?


Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on July 21, 2024, 08:04:09 pm
Have you acknowledged service (AoS) of the claim yet? If not, you have until Monday 5th August to do so. There is no advantage to delay the AoS so follow the instructions here to get that out of the way. DO NOT file your defence using the MCOL website. Your defence will be submitted as a PDF attachment to an email.

How to do the AoS on MCOL:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

By filing your AoS you will then have until 4pm on Monday 19th August to file your defence.

I suggest that because the Particulars of Claim are so woefully inadequate that you file the following as your defence:



IN THE COUNTY COURT

Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

[Claimant's Full Name
Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]
Defendant



DEFENCE



1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because: 

  (i) The contract referred to is not attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.3;

  (ii) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

  (iii) The PoC do not set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts);

  (iv) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

  (v) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated.

  (vi) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages.

  (vii) The PoC states that the Claimant is suing the defendant as the driver or the keeper. The claimant obviously knows whether the defendant is being sued as the driver or the keeper and should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action. 

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which he/she/it faces and can then respond properly to the claim.

You also attach the following document, preferably as a Word document but as a PDF.

Before District Judge [Name] on [Date]

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of claim and the defence

AND the court being of the view that there is a lack of precise detail in the particulars of claim in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the defendant such that the particulars of claim do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a)

Order

1. Unless the Claimant do by 4pm on (insert a date here 14 days from typing the order) file at court a further particulars of claim which complies with CPR 16.4(1)(a) and which sets out:

(i) the precise and concise factual allegations it makes against the Defendant and

(ii) the factual or legal [or both] basis of its claim and

(iii) exactly how its claim is calculated (if there is a claim for a fixed sum)

then the claim shall be struck out.

1.    For the avoidance of doubt the further particulars of claim must refer to and have attached to them the contract (or contracts) between the claimant and defendant relied on [marked "A"] and must set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on.
2.    For the avoidance of doubt the further particulars of claim must, in respect of each and every alleged breach of contract, set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract.
3.    For the avoidance of doubt the further particulars of claim must, in respect of each and every alleged breach of contract, set out the full postal address of where the breach took place, the precise date and time of the alleged breach, and exactly how long it is alleged that the defendant had parked his/her/its/their vehicle before the parking charge was incurred
4.    For the avoidance of doubt the further particulars of claim must set out a precise calculation of any claim for statutory interest up to the date of issue to include the date when it is said that interest started running.
5.    Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay this order by an application on notice which must be filed at this Court not more than 5 days after service of this order, failing which no such application may be made.

The defence will be emailed to claim responses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk. You CC in yourself. The subject of the email should be "Defence to claim No: [claim number] and in the body you just say please find attached the defence to claim: [claim number]. You should receive an immediate auto response which is your receipt of delivery.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on July 21, 2024, 12:33:53 pm
Ok thank you that's very helpful, bit of a novice but hope the links below work ?

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dqokxnaq9nq3qemfvt01u/Nuffield_Court.JPG?rlkey=qonchnvig0kyzuwb8e7040dak&st=c12k2yiz&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tpqofg629zyy1nnh4tf45/Nuffield_DCBL.JPG?rlkey=yth1bf1qavog58f9k5cfjqjtj&st=tmww3hxg&dl=0


I went to the car park today and looks like the parking company no longer operates there, seems they have been kicked out
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: DWMB2 on July 21, 2024, 11:17:23 am
As an aside you don't need to create an account to use Imgur, you can just upload.
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on July 21, 2024, 10:04:07 am
Do you have a DropBox account? They are free and you can host whatever files you like on there and make them available from the Public folder.

To set up a Dropbox account and host a file for public viewing, follow these steps:

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Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on July 21, 2024, 09:44:35 am
The date of contravention is 25/04/2022 from claim sent by dcbl and reason given "Out of Bay"


I've tried registering on Imgur but when I do I keep getting error "Email sign-up is not possible in your region. Register using a third-party service".

I've tried registering creating an Imgur account and Yahoo account but still get same message on both


Any other way I can share ?


Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: b789 on July 21, 2024, 08:25:35 am
You will need to show us the Particulars of Claim (PoC). Follow the advice in this thread on how to show your pictures:

READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)

What is the issue date of the claim?
Title: Re: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on July 21, 2024, 12:47:47 am
The client is Met Parking Services Ltd
Title: I've followed the wrong advice anyway out ?
Post by: Jag84 on July 21, 2024, 12:43:08 am
Just over two years ago I was given a penalty notice for being parked out bay in Nuffield car park. Someone advised me to ignore it and eventually they will stop sending me notices and they never take you to court. I stupidly took that advice and just ignored all the letters


However I have now received a Claim Form with Court Address on it. I didn't keep the original penalty notice only have the last letter sent by DCBL and the Claim Form which I can't attach as it says the drive is full


Should I pay this now or do I have any other options ?


If you need to see it how can I send you guys the court claim form and last DCBL letter ? I can email it