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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Wolves123321 on July 16, 2024, 09:05:46 am

Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on September 24, 2024, 02:20:46 pm
Brilliant thankyou. Yes I have had authorisation from the off to represent them
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: DWMB2 on September 24, 2024, 02:16:02 pm
A perhaps obvious point, but if you're going to act on behalf of your employer, do make sure you have permission to do so. Any advice given here is done so on the caveat that any action taken on the company's behalf is done so with their approval.
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: b789 on September 24, 2024, 02:13:27 pm
When you are responding in the name of the company and have been authorised to do so, it's generally best to keep the complaint in the company's name to avoid any confusion about who is liable. However, it's also important to provide your own contact details as the person handling the matter on behalf of the company, so Smart Parking knows who to communicate with directly.

Sign the complaint in the company’s name but add a line such as:

"For and on behalf of [Company Name]
[Your Name], [Your Position]
"

This maintains the company’s position as the party involved but clarifies that you are the authorised representative managing the communication.
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on September 24, 2024, 01:54:58 pm
So I should include my name in complaint?
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on September 24, 2024, 01:54:01 pm
Thanks for that I appealed using company name no mention of my own name.
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: b789 on September 24, 2024, 01:29:38 pm
Smart have a habit of not sending out appeal rejection letters with a POPLA code when they know they have little chance of success. However, there's little you can actually do about it except to make an official complaint to them and then to the BPA.

Unfortunately, it is your company who are now receiving the debt collector letters, not you. You are going to have to explain to them that Smart have abused the process and not responded to the appeal and therefore you have not had an opportunity to make an appeal to POPLA.

You are also going to have to persuade your company that they should simply ignore all debt collector letters about this PCN. Explain that they are powerless to do anything and they can be safely ignored. How your company decide to take that advice, is up to you.

When you appealed, did you appeal in the company name but using your own name to sign off?

An immediate complaint to Smart is required, demanding that they call off their DRAs, provide a reason for rejecting the appeal and a new POPLA code.

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Dear Sir/Madam,

Formal Complaint Regarding PCN [Reference Number]

I am writing to make a formal complaint regarding your failure to properly respond to the appeal submitted in relation to the above Parking Charge Notice (PCN), which was issued to [Company Name] as the hirer of the vehicle.

No Appeal Rejection or POPLA Code: Despite submitting an appeal as the hirer, no formal appeal rejection or POPLA code has been received, in breach of your obligations under the British Parking Association’s (BPA) Code of Practice. This has deprived us of the opportunity to escalate the matter to POPLA.

Proof of Communication: If you claim to have sent an appeal rejection, simply showing a copy of the response is not proof of sending or delivery. I require:

Proof of Posting: If the response was sent by post, please provide a copy of the "proof of posting" certificate or a signed-for delivery receipt.

Email Evidence: If the response was sent by email, provide a copy of the email including all headers, unredacted. This is the only acceptable evidence of the email being sent and delivered.

Suspension of Debt Recovery: Given that you have not provided any response to the appeal, I expect that you immediately suspend all debt recovery activity related to this PCN. You must provide the reason for rejecting the appeal and issue a new POPLA code, giving 28 days for an appeal to be submitted. Continuing debt recovery without properly resolving the appeal is unfair and unreasonable.

Pattern of Behaviour: Smart Parking has a reputation for failing to send appeal rejection notices when appeals are likely to succeed, particularly when there is little chance of success at POPLA or in court. I am gathering evidence to demonstrate that this is part of a wider pattern of behaviour, which shows habitual non-compliance with the BPA Code of Practice.

Next Steps: I expect a full and satisfactory response within 14 days, including the requested evidence of communication and a new POPLA code. Failure to do so will result in this complaint being escalated to the BPA, as well as further action to hold Smart Parking accountable for improper conduct.

I expect that you will address this matter promptly and properly.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
For and on behalf of [Company Name] (Hirer)

As for the company, I suggest you put in writing whoever you deal with in the company over this matter, the following, which explains the required process and how there can be no liability for the company:

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Why [Company Name] Is Not Liable for the PCN and Should Allow [Your Name] to Handle This Matter

Background

A Parking Charge Notice (PCN) was issued to [Company Name] as the hirer of a vehicle leased from [Lessor’s Name]. The original PCN was sent to the lessor, who transferred liability to the company, and a Notice to Hirer (NtH) was issued by Smart Parking. As the day-to-day keeper of the vehicle, I have been authorised to deal with this matter on the company’s behalf.

Below is a detailed explanation of why the company is not liable for the PCN, why I should handle this, and why the company should ignore all further communication from debt recovery agents (DRAs).

1. The Company Cannot Be Liable

Failure to Rely on PoFA: Smart Parking has not relied on the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) to hold the hirer (the company) liable. This means that they cannot pursue the company for this charge unless specific requirements are met, which they have not done. Since liability has not been established, the company has no legal obligation to pay the charge.

No Driver Identification: As is legally permitted, I declined to identify the driver of the vehicle. Without identifying the driver, Smart Parking cannot transfer liability to the company unless they follow PoFA—which they have chosen not to do. Therefore, there is no legal foundation for holding the company liable for the PCN.

2. I Should Handle This Matter

Declining to Identify the Driver: I have deliberately declined to identify the driver, as I am not legally obliged to do so for an unregulated private parking company such as Smart Parking. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), the company can only pursue the hirer (the company) if they meet specific requirements. Since Smart Parking has not complied with these requirements, there is no legal obligation for either myself or the company to identify the driver. The decision not to name the driver is both legally sound and strategically important, as it protects the company from unnecessary liability.

Smart Parking’s Track Record: Smart Parking is known to have a poor reputation for responding to appeals, particularly when they know they have little to no chance of success at POPLA (Parking on Private Land Appeals). Their failure to provide an appeal rejection or a POPLA code in this instance is consistent with this pattern of behaviour. They are likely avoiding further scrutiny because they recognise that their case is weak, which further underscores the importance of not admitting liability or making any payment without a proper resolution. I am prepared to continue handling this matter, ensuring that Smart Parking is held accountable and that the company does not face unwarranted charges.

3. Why the Company Should Ignore Debt Recovery Letters

Debt Recovery Agents (DRAs) Are Powerless: DRAs have no legal authority to collect the debt and are not a party to the contract allegedly breached. They are simply a third party with no enforcement power. Their sole purpose is to pressure people into paying by inflating the charge with an additional £70 fee, but they cannot legally take any action.

Paying Admits Liability: If the company pays the DRA, it implies that liability is accepted, which is not the case. This could also set a dangerous precedent for future cases, as it signals that the company is willing to pay such charges without challenging their validity. Payment also prevents any further action in contesting the PCN or appealing to POPLA.

Unfair to Charge the Day-to-Day Keeper: If the company pays the charge and then charges the cost back to me as the day-to-day keeper of the vehicle, it would be unfair and unlawful, as I have not been given the opportunity to deal with the matter properly. By paying the DRA, the company would undermine my ability to fully defend against the PCN and avoid unnecessary financial loss.

Conclusion and Next Steps

Recommendation: The company should allow me to continue handling this matter on its behalf. By doing so, the company avoids any liability and allows me to work towards getting the PCN cancelled or further appealed through the appropriate channels.

Ignore DRA Letters: The company should ignore any communication from DRAs, as they have no legal standing and no power to enforce payment. Passing all future communications from the DRA or Smart Parking to me will ensure that this matter is dealt with correctly.
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on September 24, 2024, 01:27:45 pm
Reading that should complain to BPA but doing so would give away drivers details. Is this a problem?
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on September 24, 2024, 11:57:58 am
No didn't chase them up  had nothing in spam box. Only correspondence had is confirmation of appeal
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: DWMB2 on September 24, 2024, 11:39:28 am
Have you been checking your spam email and did you chase up Smart when you didn't hear back within 28 days?
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on September 24, 2024, 11:33:02 am
Hi just an update on this.  recieved an email from smart parking acknowledge the appeal, saying they will respond in 28 days. Havnt heard anything else until today company informed they've recieved an increase fine of £170 from debt collectors with further action threatened. Not sure where to go with this now?
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: b789 on July 22, 2024, 10:23:13 am
Just use the appeal as you have been directed to use. Smart have not used PoFA and so can only hold the driver liable. They don't know who the driver is unless you've told them who that is.

You respond as the company and use your won email address or any email address that you have access to. End of!
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on July 22, 2024, 09:21:41 am
Also I've noticed the issue date was 15 days after date of contravention is this another thing they have failed at?
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: b789 on July 22, 2024, 07:40:15 am
Use company name but use an email address that you will receive at.
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on July 22, 2024, 07:07:28 am
Hi all just a quick one before I submit appeal, to appeal on not so smart website I have to put name,email, address etc. Should I put this as lease company details or the company I work for (leesee) thankyou
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on July 18, 2024, 09:58:45 am
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What about transferring liability to yourself as the day to day keeper?
I think we need to establish what the status of the van in, ie whether it is one the OP keeps on a day to day basis, or whether it's a pool vehicle that is signed in and out as needed for specific journeys.
yes it's kept on a day to day basis.

I've been given permission to appeal on behalf of the company now. So I will be lodging the appeal with what was previously posted
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: DWMB2 on July 18, 2024, 09:19:28 am
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What about transferring liability to yourself as the day to day keeper?
I think we need to establish what the status of the van in, ie whether it is one the OP keeps on a day to day basis, or whether it's a pool vehicle that is signed in and out as needed for specific journeys.
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: b789 on July 18, 2024, 08:14:29 am
If the NtH is in the company name and you’ve been told to deal with it, then surely, you are authorised to do so.


The only problem would be correspondence going back through the company address.

What about transferring liability to yourself as the day to day keeper?
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: The Rookie on July 18, 2024, 07:39:44 am
Assuming you're suitably authorised to appeal on the company's behalf, yes.

If they reject, they should provide a POPLA code with the rejection. You could always end it with: "If you reject this appeal, you must issue a POPLA code"

Company won't do it on my behalf its been left for me to deal with...
Try reading what you quoted - this time more carefully!
OK so I'm not authorised to do so, company won't on my behalf. What should I do?
So not only are you not authorised to do it on the companies behalf, but the company won't do it for you either? So there will be no appeal.  Are you sure you meant that?

Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: H C Andersen on July 17, 2024, 08:03:42 pm
OP, you posted: Thanks all, the driver recieved an email from company yesterday. ...

And what did this say?

Your company aren't interested in the finer points of PoFA etc. etc, they want the matter fixed by you would be my guess. They don't want to embark upon protracted appeals, letters from debt recovery companies and what have you, they want it dealt with. And not wanting to get engaged extends to not authorising an employee to act on their behalf...

..is my reading.

C'est la vie. 
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: b789 on July 16, 2024, 08:31:11 pm
I don't want to give the company any reason to name the driver
The company don't know who the driver was so they can't. All they can contend is that you were the day to day keeper. Anyone can drive any car as long as they have third party insurance to do so with permission of the keeper.

The whole point of this is that the driver is unknown to anyone but the keeper/hirer and they are under no legal obligation to identify that person.

Does your company have a company car department or someone who deals with this? Why can't you approach whoever is in charge and explain the situation as we have done to you?
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on July 16, 2024, 01:25:58 pm
OK so I'm not authorised to do so, company won't on my behalf. What should I do?
I think you may need to speak to your company and ensure they understand what the current situation is. As it is the company who is named on the notice, it is them who are responsible for dealing with it. You are unable to deal with it as Smart Parking won't deal with you - your company can't expect you to deal with a notice addressed to them, if they won't authorise you to respond on their behalf.

If they (in whatever capacity) send the appeal I suggested further up this thread, there's a very good chance the charge will be cancelled.

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It's not that they have chosen not to comply.
I'd argue that if they've still not got to grips with PoFA after 12 years, that is a deliberate choice on their part, but I do see what you mean ;D

Thank-you I've asked permission to appeal on their behalf. I just don't want them to take the easy way out and name the driver to wash their hands with it
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: DWMB2 on July 16, 2024, 01:19:32 pm
OK so I'm not authorised to do so, company won't on my behalf. What should I do?
I think you may need to speak to your company and ensure they understand what the current situation is. As it is the company who is named on the notice, it is them who are responsible for dealing with it. You are unable to deal with it as Smart Parking won't deal with you - your company can't expect you to deal with a notice addressed to them, if they won't authorise you to respond on their behalf.

If they (in whatever capacity) send the appeal I suggested further up this thread, there's a very good chance the charge will be cancelled.

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It's not that they have chosen not to comply.
I'd argue that if they've still not got to grips with PoFA after 12 years, that is a deliberate choice on their part, but I do see what you mean ;D
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on July 16, 2024, 01:17:49 pm
I don't want to give the company any reason to name the driver
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on July 16, 2024, 01:07:32 pm
Assuming you're suitably authorised to appeal on the company's behalf, yes.

If they reject, they should provide a POPLA code with the rejection. You could always end it with: "If you reject this appeal, you must issue a POPLA code"

Company won't do it on my behalf its been left for me to deal with...
Try reading what you quoted - this time more carefully!
OK so I'm not authorised to do so, company won't on my behalf. What should I do?
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: The Rookie on July 16, 2024, 01:04:34 pm
Assuming you're suitably authorised to appeal on the company's behalf, yes.

If they reject, they should provide a POPLA code with the rejection. You could always end it with: "If you reject this appeal, you must issue a POPLA code"

Company won't do it on my behalf its been left for me to deal with...
Try reading what you quoted - this time more carefully!
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: b789 on July 16, 2024, 12:54:37 pm
We note from your correspondence that you have chosen not to do this.

If they reject for whatever reason do I then request a popla code?

Not quite. It's not that they have chosen not to comply. They are too thick to understand that they must comply with the requirement in paragraph 14(2)(a) if they want to be able to hold the Hirer liable. Have a read of 14(2)(a) for yourself and see where they failed to comply:

PoFA 2012 (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4/enacted)

So, they have "failed" to do so, not "chosen" to do so.

Regarding the POPLA code, I would still add that they should cancel the PCN or issue the POPLA code where you know they will auto-withdraw.
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on July 16, 2024, 12:52:21 pm
Assuming you're suitably authorised to appeal on the company's behalf, yes.

If they reject, they should provide a POPLA code with the rejection. You could always end it with: "If you reject this appeal, you must issue a POPLA code"

Company won't do it on my behalf its been left for me to deal with...
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: DWMB2 on July 16, 2024, 12:47:33 pm
Assuming you're suitably authorised to appeal on the company's behalf, yes.

If they reject, they should provide a POPLA code with the rejection. You could always end it with: "If you reject this appeal, you must issue a POPLA code"
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on July 16, 2024, 12:40:53 pm
So if it is addressed to a company rather than an individual, it should be responded to by someone authorised by the company to do so. Typically someone in a managerial or administrative role who has the authority to act on behalf of the company. Are you authorised to do so?

However, as it is not PoFA compliant, you could simply respond as "the company" and tell Smart to go swivel as per the suggested appeal responses. The company is the Hirer and there is no legal obligation for the company/Hirer to name the driver.
OK thank-you so if I send this:
Dear Sirs,

We, [COMPANY NAME], have received you Notice to Hirer [(PCN number)] for Vehicle Registration Mark [VRM]. As a body corporate, we cannot have been the driver, and are therefore appealing in our capacity as the vehicle hirer. There is no obligation for us to name the driver at the time and we will not be doing so.

To hold us liable for the charge as the hirer of the vehicle, you must meet the conditions specified in Paragraph 14 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“the Act”). We note from your correspondence that you have chosen not to do this.

As a result of this, you are unable to recover the specified charge from us, the hirer. As we do not have liability for this charge, we are unable to help you further with this matter. We therefore look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

If they reject for whatever reason do I then request a popla code?
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: The Rookie on July 16, 2024, 12:39:51 pm
Plan A - Talk to the store you were delivering to and ask them to sort it out as it seems to be their failing. (and it would be vehicle details not driver's!)
Meantime....
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: b789 on July 16, 2024, 12:06:32 pm
So if it is addressed to a company rather than an individual, it should be responded to by someone authorised by the company to do so. Typically someone in a managerial or administrative role who has the authority to act on behalf of the company. Are you authorised to do so?

However, as it is not PoFA compliant, you could simply respond as "the company" and tell Smart to go swivel as per the suggested appeal responses. The company is the Hirer and there is no legal obligation for the company/Hirer to name the driver.
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: DWMB2 on July 16, 2024, 12:02:29 pm
As the handbook states it has to be dealt with by a certain individual
What's "the handbook"?

Whoever is named on the notice is the entity that Smart Parking is pursuing - any appeal must come from that entity, not some third party. If the entity named is a company, it is the company that must respond.
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on July 16, 2024, 11:52:44 am
The pcn attached is issued to the hirer. The original pcn would have gone to the lessor who then sends it back to Smart telling them to issue it to the lessee which is what you see attached. So should submit that appeal now or wait until the end of the 28 day limit?

Only the person or entity named on the PCN can appeal. Neither the PPC nor the lease company know who the driver is. How could they, unless the Hirer blabs it, inadvertently or otherwise?

So, the PPC sends NtK to lessor. Lessor transfers liability to the lessee. PPC sends NtH to lessee. Lessee appeals the PCN as it is now in their name.

So, is the PCN you've shown us the NtK that was sent to the lessor but has since been forwarded to the lessee as part of the transfer of liability process or is it the NtH addressed to the lessee? It's still not clear from what you've told us.

Unless it is in the lessees name, it can't be appealed.
It is addressed to the lessee, the lessor told them to reissue it to the lessee, can an individual appeal it on behalf of the lessee? As the handbook states it has to be dealt with by a certain individual
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: b789 on July 16, 2024, 11:04:39 am
The pcn attached is issued to the hirer. The original pcn would have gone to the lessor who then sends it back to Smart telling them to issue it to the lessee which is what you see attached. So should submit that appeal now or wait until the end of the 28 day limit?

Only the person or entity named on the PCN can appeal. Neither the PPC nor the lease company know who the driver is. How could they, unless the Hirer blabs it, inadvertently or otherwise?

So, the PPC sends NtK to lessor. Lessor transfers liability to the lessee. PPC sends NtH to lessee. Lessee appeals the PCN as it is now in their name.

So, is the PCN you've shown us the NtK that was sent to the lessor but has since been forwarded to the lessee as part of the transfer of liability process or is it the NtH addressed to the lessee? It's still not clear from what you've told us.

Unless it is in the lessees name, it can't be appealed.
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: The Rookie on July 16, 2024, 10:58:15 am
So EDIT your first post to make it clear the keeper has received it, no-one else.

It is highly likely the keeper has no liability whether or not the driver does, so no point telling them who was driving!
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: DWMB2 on July 16, 2024, 10:56:57 am
If so, the easiest way to get rid of a (not so) Smart Parking PCN is to submit the following appeal (verbatim):
I definitely wouldn't submit that verbatim, the name of the parking company needs changing, and it wrongly suggests the appellant is the registered keeper.

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The pcn attached is issued to the hirer.
That hirer being a company? If so, they can submit an amended version of the appeal suggested by b789, or if they wish to be more formal, something along the lines of the below:

Dear Sirs,

We, [COMPANY NAME], have received you Notice to Hirer [(PCN number)] for Vehicle Registration Mark [VRM]. As a body corporate, we cannot have been the driver, and are therefore appealing in our capacity as the vehicle hirer. There is no obligation for us to name the driver at the time and we will not be doing so.

To hold us liable for the charge as the hirer of the vehicle, you must meet the conditions specified in Paragraph 14 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“the Act”). We note from your correspondence that you have chosen not to do this.

As a result of this, you are unable to recover the specified charge from us, the hirer. As we do not have liability for this charge, we are unable to help you further with this matter. We therefore look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

If the named hirer is an individual rather than a company, let us know.
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on July 16, 2024, 10:52:55 am
The pcn attached is issued to the hirer. The original pcn would have gone to the lessor who then sends it back to Smart telling them to issue it to the lessee which is what you see attached. So should submit that appeal now or wait until the end of the 28 day limit?
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: b789 on July 16, 2024, 10:48:53 am
Stop referring to anyone identifiable as "the driver"!!! Is the PCN you've shown us the Notice to Keeper (NtK) that has been forwarded by the lease (lessor) company to the "Hirer" (lessee) or is it the Notice to Hirer (NtH) sent to the Hirer (lessee)?

Aside from any admin fee charged by the lessor, the Hirer cannot be liable for the PCN. Neither the lessor nor (not so) Smart Parking) know who the driver is and it should remain that way. Smart are not allowed to presume nor infer that the Hirer must also be the driver and the Hirer is under no legal obligation to identify the driver.

So, has the Hirer received their NtH yet? If so, the easiest way to get rid of a (not so) Smart Parking PCN is to submit the following appeal (verbatim):

This is an appeal by the Hirer - No driver details will be given. Please do NOT try the usual Group Nexus trick of asking for driver details in order to get around the fact your NtH does not comply with PoFA. As there is no Hirer liability, therefore, liability cannot flow from the driver to the Hirer and so, is an automatic win at POPLA. Please cancel the notice or issue a POPLA code at which point you will auto withdraw.

Smart do not issue PoFA compliant PCNs and so, as long as the drivers identity is not revealed, will always lose at POPLA. Also, Smart never have a valid contract with the landowner to issue PCNs. They make all their money from low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree who know no better.
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: DWMB2 on July 16, 2024, 10:42:05 am
And who is the notice you have shown us addressed to? It definitely isn't the driver, so it's seemingly either the hire company, or the company by whom the driver is employed?
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on July 16, 2024, 10:29:40 am
Thanks all, the driver recieved an email from company yesterday. The vehicle is leased so invoice will go to lease company first who then pass it back to Smart to tell them to pass it to drivers company. So unsure when the initial pcn was sent to lease company. Driver parks in loading bay to undertake work. Driver signs in to vehicle registration register which is then passed to store manager who then notifies centre park manager, who is then supposed to notify smart parking (I believe this is where the chain broke) Driver has contacted store who have said they're in an ongoing dispute with centre management and are trying come to a conclusion. Nothing yet. Hope this clears it up, I've attached pcn
 Thank-you

https://ibb.co/Qftv6pz

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Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: The Rookie on July 16, 2024, 09:20:20 am
Parking fine

Hi all ??? recieved a parking fine for parking in a loading bay
It's an invoice, not a fine, in this case you need to get the difference right in your mind.

Was it left on the vehicle as a notice to driver or sent to the keeper in the post?

Plan A - Talk to the store you were delivering to and ask them to sort it out as it seems to be their failing. (and it would be vehicle details not driver's!)
Plan B - Lets see the PCN, all of it as per the 'Read this BEFORE posting' sticky, you have a Promissory estoppel argument that you were told you could park there, there is also an argument based on Jopson v Homweguard but that's less definitive here.
Title: Re: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: DWMB2 on July 16, 2024, 09:15:22 am
More info required. Please read the following thread and amend your post to provide as much of the information requested as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)

The first thing to clarify is whether the driver received a parking charge (via a notice placed on the vehicle windscreen), or whether it is actually the keeper or hirer (depending on their relationship to the car) who received a parking charge through the post.

Once we've seen the relevant documents mentioned in the thread above we'll be able to advise on an appeal.
Title: Parking Fine (smart)
Post by: Wolves123321 on July 16, 2024, 09:05:46 am
Parking fine

Hi all hiror recieved a parking fine for parking in a loading bay for a site hiror was working in. Followed all procedure of putting hirors reg in system (have photos) the store manager just hasn't updated the parking company with hirors details, this happened before at a different site and hiror posted on pepipoo there was a phrase to describe the situation of you following all correct procedure but the site itself didn't follow up their end. Can't access pepipoo (ips driver system down) so was just wondering if anyone had any idea what they were referring to just to help driver with his appeal. Thanks in advance