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Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: DWMB2 on July 24, 2024, 09:51:07 am
Saved themselves the fee! Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: bobbyc009 on July 24, 2024, 09:47:17 am
The operator withdrew from the POPLA appeal. Thank you very much to all those who helped with the appeal.  :)
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: bobbyc009 on July 09, 2024, 08:10:32 pm
I have made the suggested changes to the previous draft, please let me know if there is possibly anything else that should be added. Please find the second draft available here-
https://smallpdf.com/file#s=e4a63686-835f-43b0-91c6-ff2d3d9b665e (https://smallpdf.com/file#s=e4a63686-835f-43b0-91c6-ff2d3d9b665e)

I have good news in regards to the other appeal, they have cancelled this. I am extremely grateful for all the great advice received here. Thank you.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: b789 on July 08, 2024, 01:06:40 pm
Correct. That was a copy and paste from a successful POPLA appeal I used for a similar case with an NtK that did not specify the exact location.

The OP should always review advice provided for errors.

Interestingly, in the new upcoming joint CoP, there is a clause in section 17 that states that all parking charges must include a post code in the location:

(https://i.imgur.com/e6zNare.png)

The PCN in this case would fall foul of that requirement.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: Tenareze on July 08, 2024, 12:20:43 pm

4. No evidence of Landowner Authority - the operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice.

The operator is also put to strict proof, by means of contemporaneous and
unredacted evidence, of a chain of authority flowing from the landholder of the
"relevant land" to the operator. The “relevant land” is not adequately defined
because there are two possible Lidl store locations in St Neots. It is not accepted that the operator has adhered to the landholder's definitions, exemptions, grace period, hours of operation, etc. and any instructions to cancel charges due to complaints. There is no evidence that the freeholder authorises this operator to issue parking charges or what the land enforcement boundary and start/expiry dates are, nor whether this operator has standing to enforce such charges in their own name rather than a bare licence to act as an agent ‘on behalf of’ the landowner.



Apologies for chipping in, but I think the reference to Lidl stores in St Neots is incorrect.  The location in question is Parkhouse Business Centre in High Wycombe.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: b789 on July 08, 2024, 11:12:08 am
There is nothing to be gained by delaying the POPLA appeal. The POPLA code is valid for 33 days from the date of the appeal rejection, irrespective of the fact that it states only 28 days. As long a the POPLA appeal is submitted by the 33rd day after the operator appeal rejection, it is OK.

I should mention that you should insert evidence of the appeal rejection where it states that only the driver and not the keeper may appeal to POPLA.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: bobbyc009 on July 08, 2024, 09:20:05 am
Thank you for the above response, it is much appreciated. I will endeavour to make these changes this evening. I would like to add that the rejection was only received on Friday, would it be best to submit this to POPLA asap or allow some time ?. Thank you.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: b789 on July 08, 2024, 03:04:11 am
That response to your initial appeal is damning. Whilst your POPLA appeal is your current priority, a complaint to Horizon about that mendacious statement is in order, followed by a complaint to the BPA.

Having looked at your draft POPLA appeal, I would suggest the following:

The appellant appeals as keeper. The appellant is not legally obliged to identify the driver and declines to do so.

As the keeper, I am appealing the fact that the PCN was not issued correctly on the following points

1. A PoFA compliant Notice to Keeper was never served - no Keeper Liability can apply.
2. The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who was liable for the charge.
3. The operator attempted to deceive and obstruct the keeper from appealing to POPLA.
4. No evidence of Landowner Authority - the operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice
5. The signs in this car park are not prominent, clear or legible from all parking spaces
6. The location is not defined as relevant land, invalidating the PCN.


As the keeper appellant, I expand on the appeal points below.


1. A PoFA compliant Notice to Keeper was never served - no Keeper Liability can apply.

The operator has chosen to issue a Notice to Keeper (NtK) that does NOT comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedom Act 2102 (PoFA). The NtK is addressed to the keeper and it states in the NtK that it is the driver who is liable to pay the charge. It is not stated anywhere in the NtK that if the driver does not pay the charge or if the keeper does not identify the driver that the keeper will become liable for the charge.

If the operator wanted to be able to hold the keeper liable for the charge, they must comply fully with the strict requirements of PoFA. They have failed to do so and therefore the keeper cannot be liable for the PCN.

Please note that strict compliance with the requirements of PoFA is required. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient.

2. The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who was liable for the charge

As the operator has chosen to issue an NtK that does NOT comply with the requirements of PoFA, only the driver is liable for the PCN. If the operator wishes to pursue a contractual claim it must do so against the driver, not the keeper and it is not entitled to presume nor infer that the keeper is the driver.  This was made crystal clear in the foreword to his annual report for 2015, by POPLA’s then lead adjudicator, barrister Henry Michael Greenslade in the following terms:

“There is no ‘reasonable presumption’ in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort. Further, a failure by the recipient of a notice issued under Schedule 4 [of the Protection of Freedoms Act] to name the driver, does not of itself mean that the recipient has accepted that they were the driver at the material time.”

As the keeper and recipient of the NtK has declined to identify the driver, the operator is put to strict proof that the person they are pursuing is the driver who is liable for the PCN.

3. The operator attempted to mislead, deceive and obstruct the keeper from appealing to POPLA.

In the operators response and rejection of the appellants initial appeal, as the keeper, they have mendaciously stated: “Please be advised, only the driver can appeal to POPLA. POPLA will not accept appeals from the keeper.”

In misleading the keeper about their right to appeal to POPLA, the operator has breached several sections of the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice (CoP). These are some of the specific sections of the BPA CoP that the operator has violated:

Section 2.6 - Keeping to the Code:

2.6: “By creating the Code the parking industry has set out the minimum standards by which you will be judged by anyone coming into professional contact with you. Members of the public should be able to expect that you will keep to the law and act in a professional, reasonable and diligent way.”

Breach: By providing false information about the keeper's right to appeal to POPLA, the operator has failed to act in a professional, reasonable, and diligent manner.

Section 23.1c - General Principles:

23.1c: “You must ensure that a parking charge notice informs the recipient that in the event of the recipient appealing the parking charge and that appeal being rejected, they have a further right of appeal to POPLA but that the discounted rate no longer applies should that appeal also be rejected.”

Breach: The statement made by the operator misinforms the keeper about their right to appeal to POPLA, contrary to the requirement to inform them accurately about their further right of appeal.

Section 23.12 - Rejection of Appeals:

23.12: “Where you reject an appeal against a parking charge notice, you must present the driver, keeper or hire company with the option to:

a) pay the parking charge; or
b) appeal the decision to POPLA

• You must tell the motorist how to make an appeal to POPLA. This includes providing a template ‘notice of appeal’ form or a link to the appropriate website for lodging an appeal and a valid 10-digit verification code.
• You must give the motorist a reasonable amount of time to pay the charge before restarting the collection process. We recommend that you allow at least 35 days from the date you rejected the challenge."

Breach: The operator did not provide accurate instructions on how the keeper could appeal to POPLA, nor did they present the correct options as required.

Section 23.14 - POPLA Appeals:

23.14: “Drivers and keepers may appeal against a parking charge to POPLA but a keeper cannot make an appeal concerning the same incident if the driver has already appealed.”

Breach: This section clearly states that keepers, as well as drivers, have the right to appeal to POPLA, provided the driver has not already appealed. The operators statement directly contradicts this provision.


4. No evidence of Landowner Authority - the operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice.

The operator is also put to strict proof, by means of contemporaneous and
unredacted evidence, of a chain of authority flowing from the landholder of the
"relevant land" to the operator. The “relevant land” is not adequately defined
because there are two possible Lidl store locations in St Neots. It is not accepted that the operator has adhered to the landholder's definitions, exemptions, grace period, hours of operation, etc. and any instructions to cancel charges due to complaints. There is no evidence that the freeholder authorises this operator to issue parking charges or what the land enforcement boundary and start/expiry dates are, nor whether this operator has standing to enforce such charges in their own name rather than a bare licence to act as an agent ‘on behalf of’ the landowner.

The operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice As this operator does not have proprietary interest in the “relevant land” then I require that they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the landowner. The contract and any 'site agreement' or 'User Manual' setting out details including exemptions - such as any 'genuine customer' or 'genuine resident' exemptions or any site occupier's 'right of veto' charge cancellation rights - is key evidence to define what this operator is authorised to do and any circumstances where the landowner/firms on site in fact have a right to cancellation of a charge. It cannot be assumed, just because an agent is contracted to merely put some signs up and issue Parking Charge Notices, that the agent is also authorised to make contracts with all or any category of visiting drivers and/or to enforce the charge in court in their own name (legal action regarding land use disputes generally being a matter for a landowner only). Witness statements are not sound evidence of the above, often being pre-signed, generic documents not even identifying the case in hand or even the site rules.

A witness statement might in some cases be accepted by POPLA but in this case I
suggest it is unlikely to sufficiently evidence the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement. Nor would it define vital information such as charging days/times, any exemption clauses, grace periods (which I believe may be longer than the bare minimum times set out in the BPA CoP) and basic information such as the land boundary and bays where enforcement applies/does not apply.

Not forgetting evidence of the various restrictions which the landowner has authorised can give rise to a charge and, of course, how much the landowner authorises this agent to charge (which cannot be assumed to be the sum on a sign because template private parking terms and sums have been known not to match the actual landowner agreement). Paragraph 7 of the BPA Code of Practice defines the mandatory requirements and I put this operator to strict proof of full compliance:

7.2 If the operator wishes to take legal action on any outstanding parking charges, they must ensure that they have the written authority of the
landowner (or their appointed agent) prior to legal action being taken.

7.3 The written authorisation must also set out:
(a) the definition of the land on which you may operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly defined

(b) any conditions or restrictions on parking control and enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of operation

(c) any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and enforcement

(d) who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining signs

(e) the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement.


5. The signs in this car park are not prominent, clear or legible from all parking spaces

As per your draft

6. The location is not defined as relevant land, invalidating the PCN.

As per your draft.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: bobbyc009 on July 07, 2024, 07:47:52 pm
OP, don't tell us what Horizon said in their response pl, show us.

Please see the below links for screen shots of the response from Horizon Parking to the appeal.Thank you for taking the time to read this.

https://postimg.cc/dZ3r534M (https://postimg.cc/dZ3r534M)
https://postimg.cc/Wd3C0wMS (https://postimg.cc/Wd3C0wMS)
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: H C Andersen on July 07, 2024, 06:45:12 pm
OP, don't tell us what Horizon said in their response pl, show us.

Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: bobbyc009 on July 07, 2024, 05:22:45 pm
I actually had another PCN from the week before for being parked in the same location but somehow missed the letter. Thankfully I saw it while trying to find the PCN for this appeal. I have appealed this other PCN using the first response on this thread, hopefully that should suffice. Interestingly on this occasion the charge was for parking outside of a marked bay rather than unauthorised parking. I have tried to put together a draft appeal for POPLA. Please find this here- https://smallpdf.com/file#s=fd4b9fe4-fe09-403c-9a75-b1ff959cfc4b, any and all advice would be welcome. Thank you.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: DWMB2 on July 04, 2024, 09:37:40 pm
I am of a nervous disposition so seeing things written in the manner which they are causes me to become quite anxious.
Exactly what they're hoping. BPA won't consider your complaint unless you have first complained to (and received a response from) Horizon, so do that before contacting BPA.

The main priority though is the POPLA appeal - try to find some examples on here and the MSE forum to help you with drafting, if necessary. Show us a draft before submitting anything so we can offer feedback. You should produce your appeal as a PDF document when you come to submit, then you can add images (of the signage, for example).

If you submit a robust appeal, there's a fair chance Horizon will withdraw to save them having to pay the POPLA fee.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: bobbyc009 on July 04, 2024, 09:25:35 pm
Never mind, I notice that it is not in Scotland where there is no keeper liability. Horizon are plain, outright lying by stating that only the driver can appeal to POPLA.

An immediate complaint to Horizon pointing out their blatant lie about only the driver being able to appeal to POPLA deserves an explanation and an apology. When you get a response to the complaint, you should report them to the BPA.

I also note another problem with the NtK in that the location is not defined as relevant land. I can enter "Parkhouse Business Centre" and get several locations throughout the country with that name. As there is ambiguity with the relevant land, it is just another point to use in your POPLA appeal.

I am glad I asked about this. I am of a nervous disposition so seeing things written in the manner which they are causes me to become quite anxious. They are effectively outright lying in order to scare people like myself. I will be complaining and reporting them as advised. Also thank you for the pointer regarding relevant land, this will be added to the appeal.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: DWMB2 on July 04, 2024, 09:04:44 pm
An immediate complaint to Horizon pointing out their blatant lie about only the driver being able to appeal to POPLA deserves an explanation and an apology. When you get a response to the complaint, you should report them to the BPA.
Agreed - they're entirely misrepresenting the OP's position.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: b789 on July 04, 2024, 09:02:45 pm
Never mind, I notice that it is not in Scotland where there is no keeper liability. Horizon are plain, outright lying by stating that only the driver can appeal to POPLA.

An immediate complaint to Horizon pointing out their blatant lie about only the driver being able to appeal to POPLA deserves an explanation and an apology. When you get a response to the complaint, you should report them to the BPA.

I also note another problem with the NtK in that the location is not defined as relevant land. I can enter "Parkhouse Business Centre" and get several locations throughout the country with that name. As there is ambiguity with the relevant land, it is just another point to use in your POPLA appeal.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: b789 on July 04, 2024, 08:55:19 pm
Was this in Scotland?
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: bobbyc009 on July 04, 2024, 08:53:58 pm
Just to add to this, in the appeal rejection they cited the following-

Please be advised, only the driver can appeal to POPLA. POPLA will not accept appeals from the keeper of the vehicle.

Would this be true ? and if so would this mean by identifying the driver the defence of Horizon failing to identify the driver would be undermined ?. Apologies I have not had a PCN before and want to make sure my appeal is a strong as possible. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: bobbyc009 on July 04, 2024, 08:36:40 pm
Basically... yes. However, it is advised to include as many points for the operator to rebut. They have to successfully rebut all points raised. The appellant only has to be successful on a single point.

You should lead with the lack of keeper liability due to non-PoFA NtK and then follow with the fact that the operator has not shown that the person it has issued the NtK to is the driver.

Use the following (but not limited to) points in your POPLA appeal:

1. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not meet PoFA requirements to hold the keeper liable.
2. The operator has not shown that the appellant is the driver.
3. The signage is inadequate and no contract was formed with the driver.
4. No landowner authority to issue PCNs in its own name.
5. No valid landowner contract.
6. Non compliance with any BPA Code of Practice rules you can find and so on...

You will need to expand on each point so that the assessor can understand your reasoning.

Thanks for this. I will take a few days to draft an appeal and will post it here for any recommended amendments. Generally with the recommended POPLA defence would there be a good chance of a successful appeal ?. I ask out of curiosity as not to get ones hopes up.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: bobbyc009 on July 04, 2024, 08:27:39 pm
Do you have a copy of the initial appeal?

I have a draft of this and will include it below. Looking back I was embarrassingly naive and ill advised. I wish I had come here earlier. Thank you for your response.

Draft Appeal-

I am writing to formally appeal Parking Charge Notice (PCN) number X, issued to my vehicle, X, on 12th of June 2024.


Grounds for Appeal

Unclear Signage: There is no signage on the entrance to the road nor any signage on the side of the road where the car was parked. The Parking Regulations Act 2000 requires clear signage at all entrances to a private car park.The absence of a sign at the entrance makes the terms and conditions of parking unclear. I also believe the location where the car was parked might be a public highway and not a private car park. Please find attached images of the location as taken today, they show a clear lack of visible signage indicating private parking is in enforcement. The image posted of the signage from your attendant is not from the location where the car was parked. I have included an image of this.

In light of the above points, I kindly request you to cancel the PCN.

Thank you for your time and consideration.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: b789 on July 04, 2024, 08:25:05 pm
Basically... yes. However, it is advised to include as many points for the operator to rebut. They have to successfully rebut all points raised. The appellant only has to be successful on a single point.

You should lead with the lack of keeper liability due to non-PoFA NtK and then follow with the fact that the operator has not shown that the person it has issued the NtK to is the driver.

Use the following (but not limited to) points in your POPLA appeal:

1. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not meet PoFA requirements to hold the keeper liable.
2. The operator has not shown that the appellant is the driver.
3. The signage is inadequate and no contract was formed with the driver.
4. No landowner authority to issue PCNs in its own name.
5. No valid landowner contract.
6. Non compliance with any BPA Code of Practice rules you can find and so on...

You will need to expand on each point so that the assessor can understand your reasoning.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: DWMB2 on July 04, 2024, 08:19:15 pm
Do you have a copy of the initial appeal?
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: bobbyc009 on July 04, 2024, 08:01:35 pm
Thank you for your response, it's much appreciated. I can confirm the driver was not identified to Horizon Parking. Would this defence still be applicable for a POPLA appeal ?. Thanks.
Title: Re: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: b789 on July 04, 2024, 07:47:18 pm
Please let us know if the known keeper identified as the unknown driver in the appeal?

Horizon rarely, and definitely in this case, issue NtKs that rely on PoFA to hold the known keeper liable. The known keeper can only be liable if Horizon fully comply with all the requirements of PoFA. As they haven't, only the unknown driver is liable.

Have you, the known keeper identified the unknown driver, inadvertently or otherwise? Once the driver is known, the "golden ticket" becomes a "silver bullet" for Horizon and getting the PCN cancelled become much harder.

So, has the driver been identified and thus become known?

Irrespective of signage and anything else argued, this could have been cancelled with the following simple appeal:

This is an appeal by the registered keeper - No driver details will be given. Please do NOT try the trick of asking for driver details in order to get around the fact your NtK does not comply with PoFA. As there is no keeper liability, therefore, liability cannot flow from the driver to the keeper and so, is an automatic win at POPLA. Please cancel the notice or issue a POPLA code at which point you will auto withdraw.
Title: Horizon Parking Charge Notice-Unauthorised Parking- Parkhouse Business Centre
Post by: bobbyc009 on July 04, 2024, 06:07:26 pm
Hi,

I have received a parking charge notice from Horizon parking for unauthorised parking. I am the registered keeper, the car was parked in the position of the Mercedes as visible on street view here- https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6351928,-0.7720531,3a,75y,82.24h,70.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sVERXPbjLrn5-goFBbDaYqA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DVERXPbjLrn5-goFBbDaYqA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D82.24%26pitch%3D19.47%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu



I appreciate in terms of parking it really isn't a great place to park. However I am unsure as to whether this specific space would be seen as private land and also the entrance signage does not detail the terms and conditions of parking. An appeal was made on account of the signage and location of the parking but this has been rejected by Horizon Parking, I would be grateful for any advice on whether this would be worth appealing to POPLA ?.



PCN-

https://postimg.cc/0MCyhnXN (https://postimg.cc/0MCyhnXN)



The entrance to the business park-

https://postimg.cc/8sq9300k (https://postimg.cc/8sq9300k)



The signage at the entrance-

https://postimg.cc/kVGd9tF7 (https://postimg.cc/kVGd9tF7)



The signage at the rear of the business park-

https://postimg.cc/p9b1chG0 (https://postimg.cc/p9b1chG0)



The reason behind thinking that this may not be private land is due to the fact the street view shows a barriers for entrance a few years ago and the cars location is in front of this. Also when entering the business park it is possible to miss the entrance signage entirely, turn around and park up without seeing the additional signage at the rear. I am happy to accept if its not worth the appeal but thought I would ask for opinions here. Due to lack of parking in the local area many residents often park in the undesignated spaces around the business centre(usually after hours all though sometimes cars are left parked) and as far as we are aware this is the first time a private parking attendant has attended and manually ticketed the cars. It appears that we may have been lucky up to now. Any advice on this would be much appreciated and I apologise if I made any mistakes. Thanks a lot.