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Title: Re: PCN from Westminster council ticket on restricted street. No road markings.Wrong postcode?
Post by: Incandescent on July 06, 2024, 06:30:08 pm
Here's the RPZ scheme of 2018: -
www.westminstertransportationservices.co.uk/projects/pdfs/Bond-Street-RPZ-Final.pdf
You'll see CLifford St is within it but only up to Cork St, but I suspect later on it was extended its full length. So the latest TRO for the scheme needs looking at.
Title: Re: PCN from Westminster council ticket on restricted street. No road markings.Wrong postcode?
Post by: cp8759 on July 06, 2024, 05:25:51 pm
@FindThatLegalAngle please read the guidance here (https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/) and re-post the PCN without any redactions. The postcode issue might be arguable but we need to carry out some basic checks first, we can't do that if we have nothing to work with.
Title: Re: PCN from Westminster council ticket on restricted street. No road markings.Wrong postcode?
Post by: Incandescent on July 04, 2024, 09:48:11 pm
You've fallen foul of a Restricted Parking Zone, which being a zone covers several streets with signs at the entrances to the zone.  Good councils also put in repeater signs, but they are not obligatory.

I've searched around, but can't seem to find what zone Clifford St is in, but it's very close to New Bond St, where an RPZ was introduced in 2018. AN RPZ differs from a CPZ in not requiring any yellow lines, basically, one can only park in marked bays, with no parking anywhere else.

I found this RPZ sign on Bruton St, but about 15 yards further on, there is a CPZ sign, so it looks as if Westminster have done the usual council ****-up with signs. HOwever, you can only turn right here into New Bond St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/R8H4rUfp8TwZ1KWo6
So as New Bond St is one-way only, thus making you drive into CLifford St, it looks as if CLifford St is part of the RPZ.
In truth, the only way will be to look at the Traffic Order for this RPZ. As far as I can see, the post code issue won't get the PCN cancelled, but lack of signs might.

So how did you get to where you parked in Clifford St ? From the road layout and one-way arrangements ?  It must surely have been via New Bond St, and thus you would have passed an RPZ sign.
Title: PCN from Westminster council ticket on restricted street. No road markings.Wrong postcode?
Post by: FindThatLegalAngle on July 04, 2024, 06:00:16 pm


Hi,need some help with this situation..

We have recently received a windscreen ticket on 15/06/2024 around 21:40pm for a CODE 02 - parked or loading/unloading in a restricted street where waiting and loading/unloading restrictions are in force.
However..

1. The online postcode for Clifford st (Westminster) is W1S 2LG. The street address on the tickets says Clifford st (E1). If this is the case then this ticket is incorrect.

2. Clifford st ( Westminster) is a one way street. There are no visible signs for a driver approaching the street at night from one of the side entrances to the one way street.

3.There are no yellow line road markings on this street or nearby UNLOADING/RESTRICTED signs until you exit the vehicle. On foot you have to be very observant as they are at the end of the street and very confusing. 
4. The vehicle is also parked outside of the timezones of the parking time posts.

5. This ticket was appealed within the 14 days- online and a rejection reply was sent to email. The COUNCIL did not state the postcode error on the issued windscreen ticket.

6. We have just received the rejection letter and 14 days to pay discounted amount.

Here is the Google location link for Clifford st : https://maps.app.goo.gl/b57CSwaAGdRmnhwv7

Is there an admin error here on the ticket, and can this ticket be fought effectively?

Here is the windscreen ticket - front :  https://icedrive.net/s/55vvTBG949kuWYWNhZBQYZ826jvG

Here is the windscreen ticket - back : https://icedrive.net/s/9T8gAihBkXikV4VuD9X2hGTBVPiD

Here is the ONLINE appeal to the council : https://icedrive.net/s/NzgBTQB3iQR14TxWDy61YbAuwFXu

Here is the Westminster council reply : https://icedrive.net/s/wuh5BXGxFPfRTS35Bh4v2YBB3zkG