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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: sleepingfish on July 04, 2024, 02:15:07 pm

Title: Re: Limehouse, code 31 Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Commercial RD/Butcher Row/White horse RD
Post by: Incandescent on August 22, 2024, 08:05:56 pm

This junction must be a huge money earner.

TBH, you do look to be totally bang-to-rights on the actual contravention, because you entered the box and instead of ducking in to your left where there seems to be a space, you just stopped behind the gold-coloured car that came in alongside you on your right, and took the space on the other side of the box. This is the classic contravention scenario !

Can you tell us more, at all ?

Title: Re: Limehouse, code 31 Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Commercial RD/Butcher Row/White horse RD
Post by: Boomer on August 22, 2024, 03:27:07 pm

For reference, the money shot seems to start around 2 mins and 30 seconds into the video (a black Jaguar)!

Oops, beaten to it!

Title: Re: Limehouse, code 31 Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Commercial RD/Butcher Row/White horse RD
Post by: sleepingfish on August 22, 2024, 03:26:42 pm

Hi, its at 2:41
sorry didn't mention before

Title: Re: Limehouse, code 31 Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Commercial RD/Butcher Row/White horse RD
Post by: Pastmybest on August 22, 2024, 03:25:52 pm

Quote from: sleepingfish on August 22, 2024, 02:57:22 pm

Hello,
 The video finally arrived. Here is the link:
https://jmp.sh/s/OX5MFj2c9wbmmwUXkGzg

Thank you once again for taking the time :)

what time into the video do we need to look at

Title: Re: Limehouse, code 31 Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Commercial RD/Butcher Row/White horse RD
Post by: sleepingfish on August 22, 2024, 02:57:22 pm

Hello,
 The video finally arrived. Here is the link:
https://jmp.sh/s/OX5MFj2c9wbmmwUXkGzg

Thank you once again for taking the time :)

Title: Re: Limehouse, code 31 Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Commercial RD/Butcher Row/White horse RD
Post by: cp8759 on July 06, 2024, 05:07:49 pm

Quote from: MrChips on July 04, 2024, 03:10:28 pm

According to their website you can reach them on 0343 222 3333

This is the number to request the video on, so ring first thing on Monday and ask for the video if you have not already done so. They will put the penalty on hold for 14 days while you wait.

Title: Re: Limehouse, code 31 Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Commercial RD/Butcher Row/White horse RD
Post by: MrChips on July 04, 2024, 03:10:28 pm

According to their website you can reach them on 0343 222 3333

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/penalty-charge-notices

A subject access request may be a more "nuclear" option.

Title: Re: Limehouse, code 31 Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Commercial RD/Butcher Row/White horse RD
Post by: sleepingfish on July 04, 2024, 02:39:47 pm

Thank you so much for your quick response. I did not find any phone number. I did however find this form:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/traffic-monitoring-cctv-subject-access-request-form-2019.docx

Is this correct?

Title: Re: Limehouse, code 31 Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Commercial RD/Butcher Row/White horse RD
Post by: MrChips on July 04, 2024, 02:32:43 pm

Annoyingly, TFL only provide the video on request.  You'll need to call them and ask for it, following which they'll post you a dvd.  They usually put the case on hold for a couple of weeks while you wait for it to arrive.

Title: Limehouse, code 31 Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Commercial RD/Butcher Row/White horse RD/TFL
Post by: sleepingfish on July 04, 2024, 02:15:07 pm

Hello,

I received the pcn in post. I cannot see any video evidence in the tfl.gov.uk website. I am confused, is it that they do not have it or that they did not provide it to me and will do if I appeal?

After some online research I understand that I can appeal by saying:
“The still photos provided do not prove the contravention. I have not been provided with the video footage and am thus unable to review the incident with a view to mounting a defence. Please see case references 2210739628 and 2180479025 for cases won by motorists at adjudicator when the authority has failed to provide the video.”
Is this correct?


Location:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/jr4RGUBvKFgXkd8Z9

Details:
https://imgur.com/a/YZyubg2

Thank you for taking the time